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**strahinja** wrote:Ono sto mu ja najvise zamjerim,je prikrivanje bogate bosanske historije,bosnjacke nacije,uvlacenje u guzicu prvenstveno srpskim nacionalistima.Tek kasnije,radi interesa i nafte,vraca se na austrougarski model,vracajuci naciju "Musliman" sa velikim "M".A to je,oprobani model koji je jos za vrijeme Austrougarske posluzio razbijanju BiH stvarajuci utisak o drzavi bez nacije.

Prenj wrote: Kako je to Tito prikrivao bogatu bosansku historiju i bosnjacku naciju?
Austrija razbijala BiH???

Ko je tebe ucio istoriji?

BigusDickus wrote:Nemam ni ja nista protiv tebe Vodenjak, zasto bih imao? Jednostavno, misljenja nam se razlikuju i gotovo.

Bez obzira na tvoje godine, sjecanja i emocije, koje te vezu za nekadasnju drzavu, sistem ili vodju, ne mozes dokazati da je ono bilo dobro i nikako drugacije, a onda dosli zli nacionalisti i sve razvalili. Nepobitne istorijske cinjenice i dogadjaji, kojima je vecina nas svjedocila govore protiv toga sto pokusavas dokazati. Ekstremni nacionalizam, nacionalni sovinizam i iskljucivost su posljedice, a posljedica ne moze biti sama sebi uzrok.

"cuvali drzavu i narod" - ocito da metode bas i nisu bile najsretnije odabrane, a ni uspjesnost nije na zadovoljavajucem nivou

aris_angelis wrote:Tito je bio veliki obozavatelj zenskog spola(cak sta vise kazu da je bio kurvar )zato slava mu!

BigusDickus wrote:(...).
Bez obzira na tvoje godine, sjecanja i emocije, koje te vezu za nekadasnju drzavu, sistem ili vodju, ne mozes dokazati da je ono bilo dobro i nikako drugacije, a onda dosli zli nacionalisti i sve razvalili. Nepobitne istorijske cinjenice i dogadjaji, kojima je vecina nas svjedocila govore protiv toga sto pokusavas dokazati.

BigusDickus wrote:Ekstremni nacionalizam, nacionalni sovinizam i iskljucivost su posljedice, a posljedica ne moze biti sama sebi uzrok.

BigusDickus wrote:"cuvali drzavu i narod" - ocito da metode bas i nisu bile najsretnije odabrane, a ni uspjesnost nije na zadovoljavajucem nivou

Prenj wrote:Strahinja,

Koja kolekcija neistina na malom prostoru - cak si i Sandora nadmasio.
"Austrija kupila BiH na Berlinskom kongresu" - ovo je sasvim revolucionarna teza, da nije neko od tvojih ucestvovao na kongresu pa ti sapnuo nesto sto ostatak svijeta do sada nije saznao?

Sljedeca, usputna neistina - buna Huseina kapetana nije bila separatisticka, vec autonomaska. (potrazi u kakvom rijecniku razliku izmedju ova dva pojma.)

Austrija ukidala bosnjastvo - naprotiv, Austrija je zapravo pokusala napraviti bosansku naciju (vidi pod Benjammin Kalaj), nazalost nije joj uspjelo, komsije su bile brze.
Dzemal stradao zbog bosnjastva - i ovo je revolucionarna misao.

A da tebe Fatmir negdje ne poducava, privatno, za male pare?
Ovo mi sve na fatmirovstinu smrdi.

Britannica wrote: Bosnia under Austro-Hungarian rule

Bosnia was declared a "crown land" and was governed by a special joint commission under the Common Ministry of Finance. The Ottoman administrative division of Bosnia was preserved, and Ottoman laws were only gradually replaced or supplemented. This policy of gradualism was the most striking aspect of Austro-Hungarian rule in Bosnia under the Common Finance Minister Benjamin Kállay, a specialist in Slav history who directed Bosnian policy from 1882 to 1903. Indeed, a common criticism of Austro-Hungarian rule was that little was done to resolve tensions between landlords and peasants. In other areas, however, Kállay's rule was extremely active. A public works program was initiated, and by 1907 Bosnia had a well-developed infrastructure, including an extensive railway and road network. Mines and factories were developed, and agriculture was promoted with model farms and training colleges. Three high schools and nearly 200 primary schools were built, although compulsory education was not introduced until 1909.

While he succeeded in many of these areas of practical improvement, Kállay failed in his central political project: developing a Bosnian national consciousness to insulate the people of Bosnia from the growing movements of Croatian, Serbian, and Yugoslav ("South Slav") nationalism. Catholic and Orthodox people of Bosnia had begun by the mid-19th century to identify themselves as "Croats" and "Serbs." At the same time, Muslim intellectuals were campaigning for greater powers over the Islamic institutions of Bosnia, thereby becoming quasi-political representatives of a Muslim community with its own distinctive interests. During the first decade of the 20th century, "national organizations" of Muslims, Serbs, and Croats were set up that functioned as embryonic political parties. In response, Kállay's successor, István, Baron von Burián, granted a degree of autonomy in religious affairs to both the Muslims and the Serbs.

In October 1908 nationalist feeling was strongly aroused by the sudden announcement that Bosnia would be fully annexed by Austria-Hungary. The decision, which caught other great powers by surprise and created a diplomatic crisis lasting many months, was prompted by the revolution of the Young Turks in Constantinople, who appeared ready to establish a more democratic regime in Turkey, which could then plausibly reclaim Turkish rights over Bosnia. Inside Bosnia, one effect of this change was beneficial: Burián felt able to promote democratic institutions, introducing a parliament there (with limited powers) in 1910. But the bitter resentment that the annexation caused among Serb and South Slav nationalists led to the growth of revolutionary groups and secret societies dedicated to the overthrow of Habsburg rule. One of these, Mlada Bosna ("Young Bosnia"), was especially active in Bosnian schools and universities. Tension was heightened by the First Balkan War of 1912-13, in which Serbia expanded southward, driving Turkish forces out of Kosovo, Novi Pazar, and Macedonia. In May 1913 the military governor of Bosnia, General Oskar Potiorek, declared a state of emergency, dissolving the parliament, closing down Serb cultural associations, and suspending the civil courts. The heir to the Habsburg throne, Archduke Francis Ferdinand, traveled to Bosnia to review a military exercise. He entered Sarajevo and was killed there on June 28, 1914, by a young assassin from the Mlada Bosna organization, Gavrilo Princip, who had received some assistance from inside Serbia. Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia one month later, precipitating World War I.

Bosnia was under military rule throughout World War I, and repressive measures were applied to those Bosnian Serbs whose loyalty was suspect. At the end of the war, Bosnian politicians from each of the three main communities followed the political leaders of Croatia and Slovenia in throwing off Habsburg rule and joining in the creation of a new South Slav state, the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes

Britannnica wrote:Tax demands on Bosnian peasants continued to grow. In 1875 a revolt against the state tax collectors began among Christian peasants in the Nevesinje region of Herzegovina; unrest soon spread to other areas of Bosnia, and repressive force was applied both by the new Bosnian governor and by local landowners using their own irregular troops. Serbia and Montenegro declared war on the Ottoman Empire in 1876, and Russia came into the war on their behalf in the following year. When the Serbo-Turkish War ended in 1878, the other great powers of Europe intervened at the Congress of Berlin to counterbalance Russia's new influence in the Balkans. The congress decided that Bosnia and Herzegovina, while remaining notionally under Turkish sovereignty, would be occupied and governed by Austria-Hungary. In 1878 Austro-Hungarian troops took control of Bosnia, overcoming vigorous resistance from local Bosnian forces; they also occupied the neighbouring sanjak of Novi Pazar, which had been one of the seven Bosnian sanjaks in the late Ottoman period.

Vodenjak wrote:

Lojo_Hasanovic wrote:

Vodenjak wrote:Dakle, na kraju, cijenim ga i postujem zato sto sam se osjecao vrijednim i postovanim, sto sam rastao u ne tako materijalno bogatoj, ali zato kulturno, civilizacijski i ako hocete religijski izuzetno bogatoj zemlji u kojoj sam, zahvaljujuci upravo politici istog tog drzavnika, imao priliku da puno toga od tog bogatstva prikupim sebi.

Izgleda da si se ti i previse nakupio tog bogtastva, al su neki i vise od tebe pa teb krivo sto ti nisi jos a mogo si!

Pa dobro, velim prikupilo se, nije da nije...
A srecom, ima ih podosta koji su i vise od mene..

Jedino nesto kontam da smo tebi uskratili tvoj dio cini se!

The congress decided that Bosnia and Herzegovina, while remaining notionally under Turkish sovereignty, would be occupied and governed by Austria-Hungary.

aris_angelis wrote:Tito je bio veliki obozavatelj zenskog spola(cak sta vise kazu da je bio kurvar )zato slava mu!