Škoda octavia 1.4 tsi problem sa motorom ?

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#76 Re: Škoda octavia 1.4 tsi problem sa motorom ?

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jefferson wrote:
Seawolf wrote:
jefferson wrote:...Jedan poznanik ima 2.0TSI u Golfu 6 koji je ozbiljno pojacan, tj. pojacan sa 200ks na 420ks. Umjesto K03 turbine ima K04 turbinu, itd, itd. Eno motor preko 200,000km (auto se koristi na 402m trkama kao i za svakodnevnu upotrebu)...
jefferson wrote:...Poenta je, da nista nije radjeno na unutrasnjosti motora, i motor izdrzava tu snagu bez problema...
Ehm, ehm, uz pretpostavku da navedenu najveću snagu od 420 KS razvija pri 6.000 o/min, kao serijski motor, to znači da mu je obrtni moment koji razvija na tom broju obrtaja oko 490 Nm, odnosno da mu je najveći obrtni moment oko 550 Nm.

Za motor radne zapremine od 1.984 ccm, to opet znači da mu srednji efektivni pritisak u cilindru (pri najvećem obrtnom momentu) ima vrijednost od oko 34,8 bara, što je (kao što i sam znaš) ekstremno visoka vrijednost za motor EA888 kojem nisu rađene preinake u dijelovima konstrukcije klipnog mehanizma, a da može odraditi preko 200.000 km.
Ali zato onaj od 375ks moze bez preinaka na motoru uz jos garanciju od 2god?
slagao te to neko, evo sta treba 2.0T sa K04 iz R golfa da nagura 420 KS

It’s the same EA888 engine you’ll find in the new Golf R, but here, its 2.0-litre capacity has been blown to smithereens, producing 420bhp at 6,700rpm and with 331lb ft of torque available between 2,400rpm and 6,300rpm. In fact, 221lb ft of that output is available from 1,900rpm.

Audi tells us the specific output of this monster engine is 210bhp per litre, which is more than even the 2001 R18 Le Mans car, and combined with quattro all-wheel-drive, will go from 0-62mph in just 3.7 seconds.

In fact, we’re told each horsepower has to shift just 3.2kg of Audi TT Sport Quattro Concept, what with it weighing in – without the driver – at 1,344kg. Not quite the 1340kg-1340bhp of the Koenigsegg Agera One:1, but heck, this is an Audi TT.

There is Audi’s variable valve timing system, dual camshaft adjustment and a dual injection system (FSI plus MPI). The pistons are aluminium with integrated cooling channels inside, and the crank is made from ultra-high strength forged steel. Y’know, because it’s got 420bhp.

To accommodate the extra grunt, that EA888 cylinder crankcase is made of a high-strength cast alloy, while that turbo is a newly developed unit producing up to 1.8 bar of pressure. As such, it revs to 7,200rpm, running through a three-shaft dual-clutch automatic gearbox.
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#77 Re: Škoda octavia 1.4 tsi problem sa motorom ?

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GaRGa wrote:
jefferson wrote:
Seawolf wrote: Ehm, ehm, uz pretpostavku da navedenu najveću snagu od 420 KS razvija pri 6.000 o/min, kao serijski motor, to znači da mu je obrtni moment koji razvija na tom broju obrtaja oko 490 Nm, odnosno da mu je najveći obrtni moment oko 550 Nm.

Za motor radne zapremine od 1.984 ccm, to opet znači da mu srednji efektivni pritisak u cilindru (pri najvećem obrtnom momentu) ima vrijednost od oko 34,8 bara, što je (kao što i sam znaš) ekstremno visoka vrijednost za motor EA888 kojem nisu rađene preinake u dijelovima konstrukcije klipnog mehanizma, a da može odraditi preko 200.000 km.
Ali zato onaj od 375ks moze bez preinaka na motoru uz jos garanciju od 2god?
slagao te to neko, evo sta treba 2.0T sa K04 iz R golfa da nagura 420 KS

It’s the same EA888 engine you’ll find in the new Golf R, but here, its 2.0-litre capacity has been blown to smithereens, producing 420bhp at 6,700rpm and with 331lb ft of torque available between 2,400rpm and 6,300rpm. In fact, 221lb ft of that output is available from 1,900rpm.

Audi tells us the specific output of this monster engine is 210bhp per litre, which is more than even the 2001 R18 Le Mans car, and combined with quattro all-wheel-drive, will go from 0-62mph in just 3.7 seconds.

In fact, we’re told each horsepower has to shift just 3.2kg of Audi TT Sport Quattro Concept, what with it weighing in – without the driver – at 1,344kg. Not quite the 1340kg-1340bhp of the Koenigsegg Agera One:1, but heck, this is an Audi TT.

There is Audi’s variable valve timing system, dual camshaft adjustment and a dual injection system (FSI plus MPI). The pistons are aluminium with integrated cooling channels inside, and the crank is made from ultra-high strength forged steel. Y’know, because it’s got 420bhp.

To accommodate the extra grunt, that EA888 cylinder crankcase is made of a high-strength cast alloy, while that turbo is a newly developed unit producing up to 1.8 bar of pressure. As such, it revs to 7,200rpm, running through a three-shaft dual-clutch automatic gearbox.
E ovako već može. U stvari, ovako bi se moglo ići i na više od 449 Nm (331lbf ft) obrtnog momenta i 420 bhp najveće snage.

U stvari, serijski motor (O.K. ako se nešto što je razvio AMG, može nazvati "serijski") AMG M133, radne zapremine 1.991 ccm, razvija najveći obrtni moment od 450 Nm pri 2.250 do 5.000 o/min.
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#78 Re: Škoda octavia 1.4 tsi problem sa motorom ?

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ma sve moze osim 400 KS iz stock 2.0T sa K03s :)
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#79 Re: Škoda octavia 1.4 tsi problem sa motorom ?

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GaRGa wrote:ma sve moze osim 400 KS iz stock 2.0T sa K03s :)
Ko ovdje prica o K03? Haman ti nisi nista ni procitao, sto sam zakljucio par postova ranije.
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#80 Re: Škoda octavia 1.4 tsi problem sa motorom ?

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slagao te to neko, evo sta treba 2.0T sa K04 iz R golfa da nagura 420 KS

It’s the same EA888 engine you’ll find in the new Golf R, but here, its 2.0-litre capacity has been blown to smithereens, producing 420bhp at 6,700rpm and with 331lb ft of torque available between 2,400rpm and 6,300rpm. In fact, 221lb ft of that output is available from 1,900rpm.

Audi tells us the specific output of this monster engine is 210bhp per litre, which is more than even the 2001 R18 Le Mans car, and combined with quattro all-wheel-drive, will go from 0-62mph in just 3.7 seconds.

In fact, we’re told each horsepower has to shift just 3.2kg of Audi TT Sport Quattro Concept, what with it weighing in – without the driver – at 1,344kg. Not quite the 1340kg-1340bhp of the Koenigsegg Agera One:1, but heck, this is an Audi TT.

There is Audi’s variable valve timing system, dual camshaft adjustment and a dual injection system (FSI plus MPI). The pistons are aluminium with integrated cooling channels inside, and the crank is made from ultra-high strength forged steel. Y’know, because it’s got 420bhp.

To accommodate the extra grunt, that EA888 cylinder crankcase is made of a high-strength cast alloy, while that turbo is a newly developed unit producing up to 1.8 bar of pressure. As such, it revs to 7,200rpm, running through a three-shaft dual-clutch automatic gearbox.
Hajde ti pogledaj linkove sto sam postavio gore. Sta je potrebno za 375ks uz garanciju.
Da se razumijemo, meni je na prednju vucu to glupost i ne bi nikad na svom vozilu uradio, ali malo pogledaj linkove i sta ide uz Stage III.
Gori ja sto spomenu.
Sto se tice 200K ja sam ih vidio propuhane bez ikakvih preinaka stoga sve je relativno.
A s obzirom da znas ko koga laze, mislim da si na tragu da ljudima objasnis mako zive u zavjeri pa jos mozes i para zaraditi kao svjedok u tuzbama. Jbg nisu znali da su trebali ovdje doci i pitati za savjet.
Jos samo da utvrdis jel K03 Ili K04 i sve ce biti ok.
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#81 Re: Škoda octavia 1.4 tsi problem sa motorom ?

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ti bas budala...

stage 3 APR
The highlights of the kit include the following:

APR Investment Cast Inconel Exhaust Manifold
APR Honeywell/Garrett Ballistic Series Ball-Bearing Turbocharger
Larger APR designed Mass Airflow Sensor Housing
APR Custom Cast Silicone Intake Hoses
APR FSI Fuel Injectors and High Pressure FSI Fuel Pump
APR Intercooler
All Associate Plumbing and Hardware



source
http://www.goapr.com/products/stage3_trans20t.html
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#82 Re: Škoda octavia 1.4 tsi problem sa motorom ?

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jefferson wrote:
GaRGa wrote:ma sve moze osim 400 KS iz stock 2.0T sa K03s :)
Ko ovdje prica o K03? Haman ti nisi nista ni procitao, sto sam zakljucio par postova ranije.

izvini ali taj motor dodje sa K03s, eto nek je i nabacio kasnije K04-001 opet nece moci ni 300 konja a ne 400 izvuc...
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#83 Re: Škoda octavia 1.4 tsi problem sa motorom ?

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#84 Re: Škoda octavia 1.4 tsi problem sa motorom ?

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GaRGa wrote:
jefferson wrote:
GaRGa wrote:ma sve moze osim 400 KS iz stock 2.0T sa K03s :)
Ko ovdje prica o K03? Haman ti nisi nista ni procitao, sto sam zakljucio par postova ranije.

izvini ali taj motor dodje sa K03s, eto nek je i nabacio kasnije K04-001 opet nece moci ni 300 konja a ne 400 izvuc...
Ja fakat ne znam cemu je vodila gore diskusija.
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#85 Re: Škoda octavia 1.4 tsi problem sa motorom ?

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jefferson wrote:
GaRGa wrote:
jefferson wrote: Ko ovdje prica o K03? Haman ti nisi nista ni procitao, sto sam zakljucio par postova ranije.

izvini ali taj motor dodje sa K03s, eto nek je i nabacio kasnije K04-001 opet nece moci ni 300 konja a ne 400 izvuc...
Ja fakat ne znam cemu je vodila gore diskusija.

rekao si da je iz "stock" motora izvukao 400 KS.. a postavio sam ti sa APR stranice sta treba za stage 3
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#86 Re: Škoda octavia 1.4 tsi problem sa motorom ?

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rekao si da je iz "stock" motora izvukao 400 KS.. a postavio sam ti sa APR stranice sta treba za stage 3
Jesam li rekao:
Jedan poznanik ima 2.0TSI u Golfu 6 koji je ozbiljno pojacan, tj. pojacan sa 200ks na 420ks. Umjesto K03 turbine ima K04 turbinu, itd, itd. Eno motor preko 200,000km (auto se koristi na 402m trkama kao i za svakodnevnu upotrebu).
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#87 Re: Škoda octavia 1.4 tsi problem sa motorom ?

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jefferson wrote:
rekao si da je iz "stock" motora izvukao 400 KS.. a postavio sam ti sa APR stranice sta treba za stage 3
Jesam li rekao:
Jedan poznanik ima 2.0TSI u Golfu 6 koji je ozbiljno pojacan, tj. pojacan sa 200ks na 420ks. Umjesto K03 turbine ima K04 turbinu, itd, itd. Eno motor preko 200,000km (auto se koristi na 402m trkama kao i za svakodnevnu upotrebu).
al ti ne citas sta APR kaze za STAGE 3 koji daje 273 KS...

APR Investment Cast Inconel Exhaust Manifold
APR Honeywell/Garrett Ballistic Series Ball-Bearing Turbocharger
Larger APR designed Mass Airflow Sensor Housing
APR Custom Cast Silicone Intake Hoses
APR FSI Fuel Injectors and High Pressure FSI Fuel Pump
APR Intercooler
All Associate Plumbing and Hardware


za stage 3 koriste GT2860RS a za stage 3+ GT30xx turbinu
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#88 Re: Škoda octavia 1.4 tsi problem sa motorom ?

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Kako ste samo razradili temu. Od 1.4 do 400,500,3000ks. :) svaka cast
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#89 Re: Škoda octavia 1.4 tsi problem sa motorom ?

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GaRGa wrote:
jefferson wrote:
rekao si da je iz "stock" motora izvukao 400 KS.. a postavio sam ti sa APR stranice sta treba za stage 3
Jesam li rekao:
Jedan poznanik ima 2.0TSI u Golfu 6 koji je ozbiljno pojacan, tj. pojacan sa 200ks na 420ks. Umjesto K03 turbine ima K04 turbinu, itd, itd. Eno motor preko 200,000km (auto se koristi na 402m trkama kao i za svakodnevnu upotrebu).
al ti ne citas sta APR kaze za STAGE 3 koji daje 273 KS...

APR Investment Cast Inconel Exhaust Manifold
APR Honeywell/Garrett Ballistic Series Ball-Bearing Turbocharger
Larger APR designed Mass Airflow Sensor Housing
APR Custom Cast Silicone Intake Hoses
APR FSI Fuel Injectors and High Pressure FSI Fuel Pump
APR Intercooler
All Associate Plumbing and Hardware


za stage 3 koriste GT2860RS a za stage 3+ GT30xx turbinu
Pa to se valjda podrzavumjeva!
Stage 2 bez mjenjanja turba itd, mjenja se izduvna grana, stavlja se hladni usis itd.
Stage 2 se ne mjenja turbo i dobija se 273ks a ne uz Stage 3
Moja poenta je bila da motor moze izdrazati toliko povecanje snage bez mjenjanja osnovnih elemenata u unutrasnjosti motora (klipovi itd).
Iako se sve to moze promjeniti, i APR to nudi ali samo preporucuje, sto nije obavezno.
Ali fakat ne mogu vise upratiti tvoje brkanje ovih stepenova pojacanja.
Stage 2 je 273 ks a ne stage3. I da, ako malo zaviris, vidjet ces da APR prodaje i K04.
Druga stvar, ja sam postavio APR samo kao primjer da se moze uraditi. Ovaj Golf uopste nije radjen od strane APR.
Gora budala ja sto uopste rece nesto.
Dovidjenja.
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#90 Re: Škoda octavia 1.4 tsi problem sa motorom ?

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sparky wrote:Kako ste samo razradili temu. Od 1.4 do 400,500,3000ks. :) svaka cast
Na ovom forumu ima dosta "majstora" koji su u stanju svaku temu da zagade
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