Opet zaduženje???

[Drinski]

@Bodkin
A kako bih se ja igrao? Ili nema argumenata pa se sada izmišlja ono sto nije kazano?

Diskusija je isla ovako:

a kako bi bilo da ovih 100 ili 200 miliona gurnemo u recimo beskamatne kredite kao poticaje malim i srednjim preduzecima?

pa mi imamo milijardu i pol sredstava koje banke drze preko obavezne stope kod CB BIH. Eto im love za projekte.

glupost. pricamo o obaveznim rezervama kod CB

Ne.
Govorimo o sredstvima mimo obaveznih rezervi, dakle dobrovoljno, koje poslovne banke drže kod CB BIH.

I u čemu je sada problem?

[Drinski]

Bla, bla...

[Truba]

nisam pametan
molim stručnjake da mi kažu ukratko

je li dobro ovo što smo dobili pola milijarde

[Brkooo]

ironija modernog robovlasnistva,

zaduzivas se da bi platio dug

[Alfons Kauders]

nisam pametan
molim stručnjake da mi kažu ukratko

je li dobro ovo što smo dobili pola milijarde

da

jer da nismo... ta stredstva bi bila "namaknuta" po komercijalnim kamatama

[vivaldi]

nisam pametan
molim stručnjake da mi kažu ukratko

je li dobro ovo što smo dobili pola milijarde

u nacelu da, ali se ne moze reci nista preciznije jer u rubrici "namjena" stoji poprilicno rastegljiv pojam "sanacija steta od poplava"

stete su ogormne, rekose 4 milijarde, pa i neka su duplo slagali vjerovatno jesu bar 2 milijarde.

pored direktnih steta, pali su i prihodi u budzet, a svi hoce platu i penziju na vrijeme, pa ce nesto garant ici u krpljenje budzeta, pa zato vjerovatno i jeste rastegljiva namjena.

uopsteno govoreci, zaduzujemo se da bi pokusali da se vratimo na nivo prije steta, a i tada smo bili siromasi, tako da je ovo utku na utuk, ali jebiga to je ipak bila visa sila

[Hajlac]

Osim za zlatnu koku( ) - autoput, zadužujemo unučad i za nove trovačke TE, i to kod američke banke koja je upravo ovih dana pred bankrotom/nacionalizacijom:

Parlament FBiH odlučuje o izgradnji Bloka 7, najveće poslijetarne investicije u BiH

Konzorcij CGGC i GEDI je izvođač radova po principu „ključ u ruke“ . Ponuđena cijena opcija PBS (Preferencial Buyer's Credit) u iznosu 785.650.000 Eura (bez PDV-a).

Ponuđeni model finasiranja podrazumijeva 15 posto vlastitog učešća EPBiH i 85 posto kredita EXIM Bank of China, po najpovoljnijem kreditnom modelu Preferencial Buyer's Credit.

http://www.klix.ba/biznis/privreda/parl ... /140716126

Banka matica:

U.S. Senate Democrats hold rescue talks on Ex-Im Bank

"Senator Joe Manchin, a Democrat from coal-producing West Virginia, met Reid and other Senate Democratic leaders to discuss Manchin's proposal to reauthorize the bank for five years while including a provision expanding the number of countries where Ex-Im can finance coal-fired power plants."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/ ... FN20140715

Divan odabir "partnera" za ovako velik i značajan projekat. Obaška što ovakvim ekocidnim tehnologijama kopamo sami sebi grob.


"In February 2009, the Ex-Im Bank settled a seven-year-long legal proceeding brought by Friends of the Earth, other NGOs, and various American cities. The plaintiffs claimed that the Ex-Im Bank and the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) provided financial assistance to oil and other fossil fuel projects without first evaluating the projects' global warming impacts. In 2005, the plaintiffs were granted legal standing to sue these federal bodies. The landmark decision is the first time that a federal court has specifically granted legal standing for a lawsuit exclusively challenging the federal government's failure to evaluate the impacts of its actions on the Earth's climate and U.S. citizens.[46] In its settlement agreement, the Ex-Im Bank agrees to evaluate the carbon dioxide emissions as part of its determination for qualification for a project.[47] However, Ex-Im Bank fossil fuel financing and associated greenhouse gas emissions grew swiftly after the settlement agreement, coinciding with Chairman Hochberg's tenure. Between 2009 and 2012, Ex-Im Bank fossil fuel financing grew from $2.56 billion to nearly $10 billion.[48][49]

Environmental groups say that under the Obama Administration the Ex-Im Bank is on a "fossil fuel binge," which “makes a mockery” of President Obama’s stated commitment to phase out fossil fuel subsidies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export-Imp ... #Criticism

P.S. susjedna Hrvatska uveliko uvozi ugalj iz daleke Kolumbije a druge evropske zemlje iz iste te USA. Što više TE to veća potražnja(i cijena) uglja. Veliki interesi su u pitanju. Fosilni lobiji profitiraju a mi otplaćujemo sto-milionske kredite.

[Hajlac]

"The Economic hitmen have created the worlds first truly global empire, and we've done it primarily without the military.
We work in many different ways but perhaps the most common is that we'll take a third world country that has resources our corporations want like oil(=Shell + aluminij, plemenite metale, ugalj, džabnu struju), and they arrange for huge loans to that country from the world bank or one of it's sister organisations.(uveliko se odrađuje)

However that money never goes to the country.
Instead it goes to our own corporations to build infrastructure projects like power plants, highways, industrial parks, things that benefit a few wealthy families in that country as well as our corporations. But it doesn't help the majority of people at all. (silne TE i HE u izgradnji i planu, autoput, ekocidne kožarske industrije itd.)

They are too poor to buy electricity, or drive cars on the highway.(oni kojima je BiH do Stupa, naravno ne shvataju ovo)
They don't have the skills to get jobs in industrial parks but they are left holding a huge debt.
Infrastructure which has used heavy loans from the world bank and the IMF and made from grounds from western countries, they've all gone into benefit the elite and the feudal classes.
They have not benefited the people.

A lot of money goes to these consultants and companies from the west who charge huge amounts of money and actually the real money on projects and on ordinary people is very limited.
The masses have very little already so those landlords who have the infrastructure and are going to make money because of the infrastructure that is built through the roads they will prosper, but the ones who don't have any resources that do not have jobs, there isn't any economic activity for them in terms of manufacturing goods so they can sell and they could also prosper."

Four Horsemen


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1671513/

Zvuči poznato?

[Hajlac]

Za naivne koji maštaju kako će nam Shell crpeći naftu donijeti blagostanje, otplatu kredita itd.:

http://youtu.be/XpSdPP9b0pc?t=19m21s

Resource curse

The resource curse, also known as the paradox of plenty, refers to the paradox that countries and regions with an abundance of natural resources, specifically point-source non-renewable resources like minerals and fuels, tend to have less economic growth and worse development outcomes than countries with fewer natural resources.
This is hypothesized to happen for many different reasons, including a decline in the competitiveness of other economic sectors (caused by appreciation of the real exchange rate as resource revenues enter an economy, a phenomenon known as Dutch disease), volatility of revenues from the natural resource sector due to exposure to global commodity market swings, government mismanagement of resources, or weak, ineffectual, unstable or corrupt institutions (possibly due to the easily diverted klix or anticipated revenue stream from extractive activities).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse