#7451 Re: Nagorno Karabah
Posted: 15/10/2020 16:29
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Challenger_ wrote: ↑15/10/2020 16:28Jasno kao dobar dan. Od jermenskog maksimalizma nema ništa. Od statusa quo nema ništa. Od azerskog maksimalizma nema ništa. Kompromis je neophodan a ponuđena "formula" je upravo to, kompromis.Grean wrote: ↑15/10/2020 16:15Ko cita ovaj southfront vjerovatno je procitao clanak, kako Rusija vidi rjesenje problema.What are these seven regions, and what does it all mean?
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in an interview with Sputnik provided some insight.
More than 10 years ago, at the initiative of Moscow, the so-called “Kazan formula” was developed to resolve the Karabakh conflict. It assumed a truce at the cost of mutual concessions. The parties practically agreed on it, but never signed it.
According to it, Armenia must transfer seven regions around Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan.
During the war in the early 90s, a so-called “security belt” was created there.
Baku considers them to be occupied territories.
In the future, Yerevan planned to exchange them for recognition of the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh. The Russian proposal was more realistic – to exchange them for security.
According to the “Kazan formula”, Nagorno-Karabakh receives a temporary status and negotiations on a permanent status can begin.
Another stumbling block in the negotiations between Baku and Yerevan is the Lachin corridor.
A 6-kilometer mountain road connects Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh (they have no common border). Armenia agrees to give 7 regions to Azerbaijan only if this corridor is preserved. Baku strongly disagrees.
The current situation in Karabakh may lead to the implementation of the “Kazan formula”. Russia is insistently demanding this. This is one of the rare issues on which the EU and Washington do not argue with Moscow.
Which are these seven regions?
They include the following, and what part of them Azerbaijan requires to be given control of:
the territory of Kelbajar region – 1936 km² – completely;
the territory of Lachin region – 1835 km² – completely;
the territory of the Kubatly region – 802 km² [24] – completely;
the territory of Jabrayil region – 1050 km² – completely, except for the village of Chojuk Marjanli;
the territory of the Zangelan region – 707 km² – completely;
territory of Agdam region – 1094 km² – 77% – 842 km²;
the territory of Fizuli region – 1386 km² – approximately 33% – 462 km².
From the point of view of Azerbaijan, the “security belt” is a territory occupied by Armenia
Za nadati se kao trajno, dugoročno rješenje krize.
Juce u obracanju naciji Nikol Pashinyan je odbio ovo povlacenje iz sedam regija.Challenger_ wrote: ↑15/10/2020 16:28Jasno kao dobar dan. Od jermenskog maksimalizma nema ništa. Od statusa quo nema ništa. Od azerskog maksimalizma nema ništa. Kompromis je neophodan a ponuđena "formula" je upravo to, kompromis.Grean wrote: ↑15/10/2020 16:15Ko cita ovaj southfront vjerovatno je procitao clanak, kako Rusija vidi rjesenje problema.What are these seven regions, and what does it all mean?
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in an interview with Sputnik provided some insight.
More than 10 years ago, at the initiative of Moscow, the so-called “Kazan formula” was developed to resolve the Karabakh conflict. It assumed a truce at the cost of mutual concessions. The parties practically agreed on it, but never signed it.
According to it, Armenia must transfer seven regions around Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan.
During the war in the early 90s, a so-called “security belt” was created there.
Baku considers them to be occupied territories.
In the future, Yerevan planned to exchange them for recognition of the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh. The Russian proposal was more realistic – to exchange them for security.
According to the “Kazan formula”, Nagorno-Karabakh receives a temporary status and negotiations on a permanent status can begin.
Another stumbling block in the negotiations between Baku and Yerevan is the Lachin corridor.
A 6-kilometer mountain road connects Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh (they have no common border). Armenia agrees to give 7 regions to Azerbaijan only if this corridor is preserved. Baku strongly disagrees.
The current situation in Karabakh may lead to the implementation of the “Kazan formula”. Russia is insistently demanding this. This is one of the rare issues on which the EU and Washington do not argue with Moscow.
Which are these seven regions?
They include the following, and what part of them Azerbaijan requires to be given control of:
the territory of Kelbajar region – 1936 km² – completely;
the territory of Lachin region – 1835 km² – completely;
the territory of the Kubatly region – 802 km² [24] – completely;
the territory of Jabrayil region – 1050 km² – completely, except for the village of Chojuk Marjanli;
the territory of the Zangelan region – 707 km² – completely;
territory of Agdam region – 1094 km² – 77% – 842 km²;
the territory of Fizuli region – 1386 km² – approximately 33% – 462 km².
From the point of view of Azerbaijan, the “security belt” is a territory occupied by Armenia
Za nadati se kao trajno, dugoročno rješenje krize.
to je to ....Ja_Ja wrote: ↑15/10/2020 17:49 Jedino moguce je da se Azerima vrate ti regioni a da Azeri zauzvrat garantuju sigurnost stanovnistva u Nagorno Karabahu. Sve drugo je za njih poraz. Armenci zive u nekom ludilu gdje ocekuju da ce im neko, i nekako priznati okupaciju tudje zemlje i tek tako im dati tu teritoriju samo zato sto je oni hoce. Nigdje veze, kolektivno ludilo. Zbog toga i ginu ovako glupo i naivno.
Ko Albanci na Kosovu, jel to hoces da kazes? Pa oni dobise drzavu na krajuJa_Ja wrote: ↑15/10/2020 17:49 Jedino moguce je da se Azerima vrate ti regioni a da Azeri zauzvrat garantuju sigurnost stanovnistva u Nagorno Karabahu. Sve drugo je za njih poraz. Armenci zive u nekom ludilu gdje ocekuju da ce im neko, i nekako priznati okupaciju tudje zemlje i tek tako im dati tu teritoriju samo zato sto je oni hoce. Nigdje veze, kolektivno ludilo. Zbog toga i ginu ovako glupo i naivno.
Video je fake:
Tema Nagorno Karabah, a ne Kosovo. Vi ko Trump-ovci. Povlacite paralele u diskusijama koje namaju vezu s tim. Nedostatak intelektualne zrelosti ili neki klinac ali u svakom slucaju glupo i nepotrebno.Forummeho wrote: ↑15/10/2020 17:59Ko Albanci na Kosovu, jel to hoces da kazes? Pa oni dobise drzavu na krajuJa_Ja wrote: ↑15/10/2020 17:49 Jedino moguce je da se Azerima vrate ti regioni a da Azeri zauzvrat garantuju sigurnost stanovnistva u Nagorno Karabahu. Sve drugo je za njih poraz. Armenci zive u nekom ludilu gdje ocekuju da ce im neko, i nekako priznati okupaciju tudje zemlje i tek tako im dati tu teritoriju samo zato sto je oni hoce. Nigdje veze, kolektivno ludilo. Zbog toga i ginu ovako glupo i naivno.
Nema tu nikakve garancije. Azeri su temeljito ocistili 500 000 Armena sa svoga teritorija, a Armeni su ocistili 800 000 Azera sa svog teritorija.Ja_Ja wrote: ↑15/10/2020 17:49 Jedino moguce je da se Azerima vrate ti regioni a da Azeri zauzvrat garantuju sigurnost stanovnistva u Nagorno Karabahu. Sve drugo je za njih poraz. Armenci zive u nekom ludilu gdje ocekuju da ce im neko, i nekako priznati okupaciju tudje zemlje i tek tako im dati tu teritoriju samo zato sto je oni hoce. Nigdje veze, kolektivno ludilo. Zbog toga i ginu ovako glupo i naivno.
Neko je platio glavom samo je pitanje ko je.Miloduh wrote: ↑15/10/2020 18:01Video je fake:
Nixazizu ona youtuber je govorio o ovome. Srbijanski botovi se negdje okupljaju na nekoj aplikaciji. Njima se dadne zadatak da sire dezinformacije, sto ce pisati i kako ce objavljivati teorije zavjere, propagadne materijale i sl. To je vec organizovana ekipa. Od njih su na ovom forumu: djecak sa sibicama, kikibombona, nadozirnik, capljina74 ima ih jos, ali eto on se uglavom vrte oko te aplikacije i imaju zonu svog djelovanja.


Pa vidi, Nagorno Karabah su sovjetski zlocinci poklonili Azerbejdzanu. To je oduvijek armenski etnicki prostor.Ja_Ja wrote: ↑15/10/2020 18:12 To nije kompromis. To je otimanje Azerbejdzanske terirotorije. Naravno da se mogu dati garancije iz uz internacionalno posredovanje iste se mogu implementirati na terenu. Ja da sam neki Azer nebi mi padalo na pamet da im dajem nezavisnost, ne samo nezavisnost vec i neki veci oblik autonomije.
Moze se tu dosta toga uraditi da se Armeni smire i osiguraju a u isto vrijeme da se teritoriji ne otima Azerbejdzanu. Samo treba malo volje. Armeni je uopste nemaju, kod njih vazi ono "ko je jamio, jamio". A to ne ide. Bar ne danas sa ovakvim Azerbejdzanom koji je nadmocniji od njih u svakom pogledu.