Je li Kur'an od Boga, kako dokazati to?

[bvcx]

receptori za bol u kozi
da je potrebno pokretati onoga ko duze lezi u krevetu
da postoji zone u vodi gdje se postoji brana izmedju slane i pitke vode

Zar stvarno treba Đibril za ove zaključke?

[bvcx]

Dok Đibril nije rekao u snu, nikad niko nije sjeo u čamac i otišao na ušće rijeke u more i zaključio gdje je slatka a gdje je slana voda.

[Connaisseur Karlin]

Tako je. Centri nauke se pojavljuju i nestaju na raznim mjestima, nebrojeno puta zadnjih nekoliko tisuća godina.

to Smrcku pisem jako dugo na vise tema, ali ne vrijedi, dzaba, tip je fanatik i nema pojma o povijesti relgija i nauke sirom svjeta

Tise malo da ne bi zavrsili na chop chop square-u

sto je chop chop square ?

[JVC]

sto je chop chop square ?

Deera Square (Arabic: ساحة الصفاة‎) is a public space in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, in which public executions (usually by beheading) take place. It is sometimes known as Justice Square or Chop Chop Square.
After Friday prayers, police and other officials clear the area to make way for the execution to take place. After the beheading of the condemned, the head is stitched to the body and the body is wrapped up for the final rites and taken away.

[HardcoreMX]

big bang

Uzeli od pagana Sumeraca.

Qur’an 21:30–32

“Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?”And We placed within the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with them, and We made therein [mountain] passes [as] roads that they might be guided.And We made the sky a protected ceiling, but they, from its signs, are turning away.”

Sumerski kreacijski mit:

"Not only did the lord make the world appear in its correct form, the lord who never changes the destinies which he determines – Enlil – who will make the human seed of the Land come forth from the earth – and not only did he hasten to separate heaven from earth, and hasten to separate earth from heaven, but, in order to make it possible for humans to grow in "where flesh came forth" [the name of a cosmic location], he first raised the axis of the world at Dur-an-ki.”

sto se ti Sumeri, Kinezi, st.Egipcani, st.Grci etc odjednom propametise..sve naknadno pisana im otkrica u 20/21 stoljecu...haman u Svemiru prije Hubble bili...

[bvcx]

sto se ti Sumeri, Kinezi, st.Egipcani, st.Grci etc odjednom propametise..sve naknadno pisana im otkrica u 20/21 stoljecu...haman u Svemiru prije Hubble bili...

Kao i Svete Knjige o poslije smrti prije smrti.

[Connaisseur Karlin]

sto je chop chop square ?

Deera Square (Arabic: ساحة الصفاة‎) is a public space in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, in which public executions (usually by beheading) take place. It is sometimes known as Justice Square or Chop Chop Square.
After Friday prayers, police and other officials clear the area to make way for the execution to take place. After the beheading of the condemned, the head is stitched to the body and the body is wrapped up for the final rites and taken away.

hvala, znaci prilikom posjete Ryada, treba izbjeci posjetu petkom znaci, narod dolsovno, turisti, ako to ne znaju, budu svjedoci kaspaljenja

[Connaisseur Karlin]

sto se ti Sumeri, Kinezi, st.Egipcani, st.Grci etc odjednom propametise..sve naknadno pisana im otkrica u 20/21 stoljecu...haman u Svemiru prije Hubble bili...

Kao i Svete Knjige o poslije smrti prije smrti.

HardcoreMX je light version of Smrcko

[bvcx]

sto se ti Sumeri, Kinezi, st.Egipcani, st.Grci etc odjednom propametise..sve naknadno pisana im otkrica u 20/21 stoljecu...haman u Svemiru prije Hubble bili...

Kao i Svete Knjige o poslije smrti prije smrti.

HardcoreMX je light version of Smrcko

light version of hardcore version

[HardcoreMX]

sto se ti Sumeri, Kinezi, st.Egipcani, st.Grci etc odjednom propametise..sve naknadno pisana im otkrica u 20/21 stoljecu...haman u Svemiru prije Hubble bili...

Kao i Svete Knjige o poslije smrti prije smrti.

za ateizam hoce reci jos naknadna pamet...

[bvcx]

sto se ti Sumeri, Kinezi, st.Egipcani, st.Grci etc odjednom propametise..sve naknadno pisana im otkrica u 20/21 stoljecu...haman u Svemiru prije Hubble bili...

Kao i Svete Knjige o poslije smrti prije smrti.

za ateizam hoce reci jos naknadna pamet...

Gore pobrojani nisu bili ateisti.

[JVC]

hvala, znaci prilikom posjete Ryada, treba izbjeci posjetu petkom znaci, narod dolsovno, turisti, ako to ne znaju, budu svjedoci kaspaljenja

Izbjegavaj samo ovaj trg, ali opet budi na oprezu. Ja sam bio u Kuvajtu vise od 5 godina, kod njih je javno vjesanje u modi.
Imas i advertising u novinama, pa bujrum ako zelis.

Podsjeti me na maiden
Cause at 5 o'clock, they take me to the Gallows Pole
The sands of time for me are running low, yeah!

[HardcoreMX]

Gore pobrojani nisu bili ateisti.

ako mislimo na iste, zakljucili smo da su oni bili vrhunski astrofizicari, astronomi ili tako nesto..uglavnom na tehnoloskom razvitku bolje nego Kepler, Hubble etc..sva ta danasnja primitivna tehnologija u odnosu na njih..?!

[bvcx]

Gore pobrojani nisu bili ateisti.

ako mislimo na iste, zakljucili smo da su oni bili vrhunski astrofizicari, astronomi ili tako nesto..uglavnom na tehnoloskom razvitku bolje nego Kepler, Hubble etc..sva ta danasnja primitivna tehnologija u odnosu na njih..?!

To ovdje niko ne tvrdi. Osim tebe, koji si ih prvi počeo vaditi iz nekog (???) konteksta.

[Connaisseur Karlin]

hvala, znaci prilikom posjete Ryada, treba izbjeci posjetu petkom znaci, narod dolsovno, turisti, ako to ne znaju, budu svjedoci kaspaljenja

Izbjegavaj samo ovaj trg, ali opet budi na oprezu. Ja sam bio u Kuvajtu vise od 5 godina, kod njih je javno vjesanje u modi.
Imas i advertising u novinama, pa bujrum ako zelis.

Podsjeti me na maiden
Cause at 5 o'clock, they take me to the Gallows Pole
The sands of time for me are running low, yeah!

javno vjesanje , pa dobro, da li jave ranije, da ne mora svako slucjano naici

[MarlboroGold]

hvala, znaci prilikom posjete Ryada, treba izbjeci posjetu petkom znaci, narod dolsovno, turisti, ako to ne znaju, budu svjedoci kaspaljenja

Izbjegavaj samo ovaj trg, ali opet budi na oprezu. Ja sam bio u Kuvajtu vise od 5 godina, kod njih je javno vjesanje u modi.
Imas i advertising u novinama, pa bujrum ako zelis.

Podsjeti me na maiden
Cause at 5 o'clock, they take me to the Gallows Pole
The sands of time for me are running low, yeah!

javno vjesanje , pa dobro, da li jave ranije, da ne mora svako slucjano naici

Lijepi Kyoto i nervozni japanci

[JVC]

javno vjesanje , pa dobro, da li jave ranije, da ne mora svako slucjano naici

Lijepi Kyoto i nervozni japanci [/quote]

Yoko ono i fazoni

[Connaisseur Karlin]

Izbjegavaj samo ovaj trg, ali opet budi na oprezu. Ja sam bio u Kuvajtu vise od 5 godina, kod njih je javno vjesanje u modi.
Imas i advertising u novinama, pa bujrum ako zelis.

Podsjeti me na maiden
Cause at 5 o'clock, they take me to the Gallows Pole
The sands of time for me are running low, yeah!

javno vjesanje , pa dobro, da li jave ranije, da ne mora svako slucjano naici

Lijepi Kyoto i nervozni japanci

ne smetas ti Japancima ako turist haj'd pokusaj traziti drzavljanstvo kod njih , imaju najrigorzniji zakon u svijetu u vezi imigracije, ali zato oni nemaju problema da odu iz Japana i uzmu americko drzavljanstvo

meni je zelja otici u Kyoto

[JVC]

Modern research suggests that the religion of Abraham and his fellow Hebrews was not, strictly speaking, monotheistic at all, but “monolatrous.” In other words, during Abraham’s time and for many centuries afterward, the ancient Hebrews worshipped not a God whom they held to be the sole deity in existence, but simply one god among many, a god whom they conceived of as being more powerful than the jostling plethora of lesser gods worshipped by other peoples, but who nonetheless shared the stage with them. This essentially polytheistic outlook accords with the frequent mention of other gods in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), for example. It also accords with the way that Abraham’s faith has the feel of a contractual arrangement. When religious scholars use the word “faith” at all to describe Abraham’s attitude to his God, it’s generally coupled with a word like “juridical.”

The God that Abraham worshipped went under various names—El Elion (“God Most High”); El Olam (“God Eternal”); El Shaddai (“God the Mountain”); El Ro’i (“God All-Seeing”)—and appears to have been a version of the indigenous god El whom the Canaanites worshipped before and after Abraham’s arrival. El was the Canaanite high god, but under him served other gods such as the fertility god Baal and the water god Yam. Perhaps Abraham and his kin adopted El as their own, accepting him as the same god who had urged Abraham to leave Ur and seek out the land of milk and honey in the first place.

Only some seven centuries later, it’s thought, did this God reveal to Moses that his real name was Yahweh, and that he wished to be known and worshipped under that name henceforth. Worshipped, still, it seems, as one among many: “Thou shalt have no other gods before me,” says the First Commandment, implying that other gods were indeed a possibility, if an odious one. Some of them may have been behind the staffs-into-serpents trick by which Pharaoh’s wise men tried to out-conjure Moses’s brother Aaron, before their serpents were eaten up by Yahweh’s. Nor, like El before him, does Yahweh appear at first to have been thought of by the Hebrews as a divine creator, at least not according to the picture we get from the last century or so of biblical scholarship. Scholars believe that not until the eighth century bc was the first biblical account of creation composed (starting at Genesis 2:4), and that only a couple of centuries later did an anonymous priestly author write down the full-blown version we get starting at Genesis 1.

By that time, the Jews were rejoicing in their return to Palestine after the Babylonian Captivity (c. 586–538 bc). The ruler responsible for freeing them, the Persian conqueror Cyrus the Great, had absorbed Babylonia into his growing empire and incurred the Jews’ eternal gratitude by sending them home. Enjoying a sense of revival and optimism, the Jews built the Second Temple in Jerusalem; Jewish priests acted as ambassadors to their Persian rulers.

Jewish life comes down to earth at this point. The days of the prophets are fading. From here on in, the Jews will be concerned less with further prophecies than with the proper interpretation of past ones.

In the coming centuries, the Jews did indeed take the final steps down the long road to true monotheism. But they didn’t travel that road alone. Neither they nor their new conception of faith evolved in a vacuum. As it turned out, the Jews weren’t the only or even the first people in this era to think about God as a single, unitary divine entity.

The biggest (faulty) assumption is: that the first five books of the Bible were essentially “invented,” compiled (cobbled together) by Jews during Babylonian Exile (ca. 586 B.C.) who borrowed material from Mesopotamian & other indigenous (i.e. Canaanite) sources.[1]

But, it’s no surprise that there would be some similarities, simply because Hebrew is a Western Semitic language and before Moses, the OT patriarchs would not have worshiped God by his covenant name YHWH (Ex. 3:13-15).

The generic Canaanite word/name for “god” was originally ‘il um, which later became el. So this generic Canaanite word (name) “El” was used by biblical writers, yet the usage was quite different.

For instance the Old Testament patriarchs worshipped God under various (modified) names such as: El Shaddai (Ex. 6:3; Gen. 17:1; 43:14; etc.); El ‘Elyon (Gen.14:18-24); El ‘Olam (Gen. 21:33); El Ro’i (Gen. 16:13; cf. Yahweh Yir’eh, Gen. 22:14); El Bethel (Gen. 31:13; 35:7). [2]

Admittedly, the name of the God of the biblical patriarchs (El), was at times similar & identical to their pagan neighbors, but there was a marked difference in HOW they worshipped El.

OT scholar John Bright interestingly points out that,“All of the patriarchal narratives were written from the point of view of Yahwistic theology, by men who were worshippers of Yahweh; whether they used the name or not, they had no doubt that the God of the patriarchs was actually Yahweh, God of Israel, whom the patriarchs, whether consciously or unconsciously, worshipped. Yet, there is also internal evidence in the text that the Patriarchs also knew God as Yahweh before Moses (or at least “Yah”) but did not fully understand the full extent and meaning of the name until that time. [3]

One of the main (but certainly not the only) differences between God (OT – Yahweh) and Ba al, El is that, whereas the Canaanite “gods” have theogony’s (myths of their origins) such as the Baal Epic of Ugarit & others; the God of the OT has no origin. His name means “I AM.” There is no theogony for Yahweh because He has no beginning. He IS. Genesis begins with Him alone.. “In the beginning God...” (Gen. 1). Throughout the OT He is presented as standing above and apart from all other so-called “gods” & idols of the surrounding nations (see Jeremiah 10).

Another difference is that when God (Yahweh) creates, He speaks creation into existence, rather than having to fight a dragon or monster, or some other “god” in a cosmic battle for power. The Canaanite & other pagan “gods” all have to fight or go to war[4] to create, whereas God (Yahweh) merely speaks all things into existence by the power of His word (Gen. 1).
The last thing I would point out is that recent discoveries in archaeology (Egyptology) now show that the Pentateuch (the Exodus & Joshua in particular) is a record of historical events (exactly as they were recorded in the text). These discoveries and other internal literary factors, undermine the hypothesis/theory that the Torah was mythologized & invented during the Babylonian Exile. These discoveries will certainly frustrate those who have built their careers on the belief that Moses did not write the Torah.

Yahweh had no origin. He was and is from everlasting to everlasting. Certainly monotheism did not begin with Moses (anyone can know that there is one God from Creation – Psalm 19 & Romans 1:18-23), but the (monotheistic) God recorded in the early chapters of Genesis was known by His connection to certain men who had a personal and intimate relationship to Him by faith (Gen. 12; Heb. 11).

That same God still calls men to know Him & follow Him today. Two-thousand years ago, He revealed Himself perfectly in the form of a man (Jesus Christ) so that we could know Him as much as we possibly could (Hebrews 1).

Other Sources for further study:

John Walton’s book, Ancient Israelite Literature In It’s Cultural Context: A Survey of Parallels Between Biblical and Ancient Near Eastern Texts is a great source to look at the major differences between the OT account of God and the surrounding pagan (Canaanite) accounts of God (Baal, El). There are too many to list here.

One more excellent source (although his section on the Exodus/Conquest is now out of date) is William F. Albright’s book, Archaeology and the Religion of Israel (1968). The first three chapters are especially helpful in revealing the historical context of the religion of early Israel. Chapter 3 is “Archaeology and the Religion of the Canaanites.”

[Connaisseur Karlin]

That same God still calls men to know Him & follow Him today. Two-thousand years ago, He revealed Himself perfectly in the form of a man (Jesus Christ) so that we could know Him as much as we possibly could (Hebrews 1).

Other Sources for further study:

John Walton’s book, Ancient Israelite Literature In It’s Cultural Context: A Survey of Parallels Between Biblical and Ancient Near Eastern Texts is a great source to look at the major differences between the OT account of God and the surrounding pagan (Canaanite) accounts of God (Baal, El). There are too many to list here.

One more excellent source (although his section on the Exodus/Conquest is now out of date) is William F. Albright’s book, Archaeology and the Religion of Israel (1968). The first three chapters are especially helpful in revealing the historical context of the religion of early Israel. Chapter 3 is “Archaeology and the Religion of the Canaanites.”

ti si evangelist ? world christian movement memeber ? to pise kao izvor tvog citata

ako je tako, ti vjrovatno vjrujes da je veza izmejdu Boga i ljudi obnovlejna u Isusu Kristu

[JVC]

ti si evangelist ? world christian movement memeber ? to pise kao izvor tvog citata

ako je tako, ti vjrovatno vjrujes da je veza izmejdu Boga i ljudi obnovlejna u Isusu Kristu

Sola Scriptura

[Connaisseur Karlin]

ti si evangelist ? world christian movement memeber ? to pise kao izvor tvog citata

ako je tako, ti vjrovatno vjrujes da je veza izmejdu Boga i ljudi obnovlejna u Isusu Kristu

Sola Scriptura

mda, spas od Isusa

[HardcoreMX]

ako mislimo na iste, zakljucili smo da su oni bili vrhunski astrofizicari, astronomi ili tako nesto..uglavnom na tehnoloskom razvitku bolje nego Kepler, Hubble etc..sva ta danasnja primitivna tehnologija u odnosu na njih..?!

To ovdje niko ne tvrdi. Osim tebe, koji si ih prvi počeo vaditi iz nekog (???) konteksta.

nikakav kontext i nista ja ne tvrdim..vidis da pitam..doduse nisam stavio toliko upitnika kao ti...

[Smrcak15]

planine sadrze korijen , koji probija kao klin u zemlju

lol ovo toliko nije tačno da je to pravo čudo.

gdje ti ovdje vidiš klin

When the “Blob” or anchor(sidro) melts away into the Asthenosphere, the weight holding the crust in place is suddenly released and the Mountain root, the density of the mountain is also released and “shoots” upward

Kur'an isto naziva planine kao sidra na zemlji

http://nephicode.blogspot.se/2017/06/mo ... ts_27.html

[Smrcak15]

embrio da lici na pijavu
sve zivo treba vodu

no comment .. ali stvarno šta je ovo