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Lesli Eldridž wrote:

lerdi wrote:

Lesli Eldridž wrote: In Germany the process is already underway, many subjects of the humanities and social studies can be completed with a B.A. and many subjects of the natural sciences with a B.Sc. at an increasing number of universities. The Bachelor's degree in engineering can be a B.Eng. or a B.Sc., depending on the focus of studies. The new postgraduate Master's degrees (M.A., M.Sc., M.Eng. and other) are seen as equivalent to the old five year first degrees Diplom (one subject, can be in all sciences) and Magister Artium (interdisciplinary, common in social and cultural sciences). The number of old degree courses is declining and they will be replaced by the new degrees up until 2010 in some states.

I kakveveze ovo ima sa našim obrazovanjem? Oduvjek se znalo da je obrazovanje sa ovih prostora bilo iznad evropskog. Pa oni u 8 razredu osnovne tek uće razlomke. Nerazumijem kakav bi ti ovo trebao argument predstavljati

Konačno si priznao da je nakada obrazovanje bilo dobro. Onda impliciraš da sada nije kako treba.

Lesli Eldridž wrote:

lerdi wrote:

Lesli Eldridž wrote: In Germany the process is already underway, many subjects of the humanities and social studies can be completed with a B.A. and many subjects of the natural sciences with a B.Sc. at an increasing number of universities. The Bachelor's degree in engineering can be a B.Eng. or a B.Sc., depending on the focus of studies. The new postgraduate Master's degrees (M.A., M.Sc., M.Eng. and other) are seen as equivalent to the old five year first degrees Diplom (one subject, can be in all sciences) and Magister Artium (interdisciplinary, common in social and cultural sciences). The number of old degree courses is declining and they will be replaced by the new degrees up until 2010 in some states.

I kakveveze ovo ima sa našim obrazovanjem? Oduvjek se znalo da je obrazovanje sa ovih prostora bilo iznad evropskog. Pa oni u 8 razredu osnovne tek uće razlomke. Nerazumijem kakav bi ti ovo trebao argument predstavljati

Konačno si priznao da je nakada obrazovanje bilo dobro. Onda impliciraš da sada nije kako treba.

Lesli Eldridž wrote:In the United States

In the United States, the bachelor's degree is the standard four year undergraduate degree awarded to engineering students and is generally the only degree required for licensure (that is, it is the first professional degree in the field). For graduate students, the two year master's degree is by far the most common route, which may be followed by the doctorate. The Degree of Engineer or Engineer's Degree is the least commonly obtained advanced degree in engineering. It is usually preceded by a master's degree and is not a prerequisite to a doctoral degree. It serves as a terminal degree for practicing engineers. The availability of degrees and the specific requirements differ considerably between institutions and between specialties within an institution. Officially, both undergraduate programs and graduate programs at the master's-level may receive ABET-accreditation, but ABET will only accredit a bachelor's or a master's degree at a given institution (not both). In practice, although undergraduate accreditation is common, master's-level accreditation is rare unless an undergraduate program is not available (for example, the Naval Postgraduate School).

In many other fields, the master's degree would naturally be followed by a traditional research doctorate (Ph.D.). But in this case, the engineer's degree provides an alternative that has been tailored for professionals rather than academicians. Some schools, Stanford and Caltech for example, require a thesis. But, the requirements are generally less than those of Ph.D. candidates and more comparable to those of most Master of Science students. Others, like Santa Clara University, do not have a specific research requirement. For this reason, many consider an engineer's degree to be on a level between a master's degree and a doctorate. Nonetheless, it is in fact a terminal degree, much like the Ed.S. degree in education.

In the past, it was not uncommon for a would-be engineer to earn an engineer's degree as their first and only college degree. But since World War II this has fallen out of favor, and it becomes continually more difficult to find a school that offers this option.

Note: A degree with some form of the word "engineer(ing)" in the title is not necessarily an engineer's degree in this sense. Particularly, a "Master of Engineering" (M.Eng.) or "Engineering Doctorate" (Eng. D) degree is not an Engineer's degree, nor is any other bachelor's, master's, or doctoral degree. Rather, the engineer's degree is in a category of its own. For example, a student with a B.S. and M.S. in electrical engineering might next earn the degree Electrical Engineer. The person would then have a B.S. in E.E., a M.S. in E.E., and an E.E. degree. The former two are degrees in engineering, and only the latter degree is actually an Engineer's degree.

bubavi1 wrote:
2 Nobelovca, jedan u fizici a drugi u literaturi od kako NOBELOVE nagrade postoje, i to je bilo prije nekih 40-50 godina, a za to vrijeme se NObelove nagrade dijele EU i SAD-u.... pa gdje je Balkansko moderno obrazovanje??!!!

lerdi wrote:

Lesli Eldridž wrote:In the United States

In the United States, the bachelor's degree is the standard four year undergraduate degree awarded to engineering students and is generally the only degree required for licensure (that is, it is the first professional degree in the field). For graduate students, the two year master's degree is by far the most common route, which may be followed by the doctorate. The Degree of Engineer or Engineer's Degree is the least commonly obtained advanced degree in engineering. It is usually preceded by a master's degree and is not a prerequisite to a doctoral degree. It serves as a terminal degree for practicing engineers. The availability of degrees and the specific requirements differ considerably between institutions and between specialties within an institution. Officially, both undergraduate programs and graduate programs at the master's-level may receive ABET-accreditation, but ABET will only accredit a bachelor's or a master's degree at a given institution (not both). In practice, although undergraduate accreditation is common, master's-level accreditation is rare unless an undergraduate program is not available (for example, the Naval Postgraduate School).

In many other fields, the master's degree would naturally be followed by a traditional research doctorate (Ph.D.). But in this case, the engineer's degree provides an alternative that has been tailored for professionals rather than academicians. Some schools, Stanford and Caltech for example, require a thesis. But, the requirements are generally less than those of Ph.D. candidates and more comparable to those of most Master of Science students. Others, like Santa Clara University, do not have a specific research requirement. For this reason, many consider an engineer's degree to be on a level between a master's degree and a doctorate. Nonetheless, it is in fact a terminal degree, much like the Ed.S. degree in education.

In the past, it was not uncommon for a would-be engineer to earn an engineer's degree as their first and only college degree. But since World War II this has fallen out of favor, and it becomes continually more difficult to find a school that offers this option.

Note: A degree with some form of the word "engineer(ing)" in the title is not necessarily an engineer's degree in this sense. Particularly, a "Master of Engineering" (M.Eng.) or "Engineering Doctorate" (Eng. D) degree is not an Engineer's degree, nor is any other bachelor's, master's, or doctoral degree. Rather, the engineer's degree is in a category of its own. For example, a student with a B.S. and M.S. in electrical engineering might next earn the degree Electrical Engineer. The person would then have a B.S. in E.E., a M.S. in E.E., and an E.E. degree. The former two are degrees in engineering, and only the latter degree is actually an Engineer's degree.

Lesli ja stvarno ne mogu da shvatim šta se sa tobom dešava. Upoređuješ stvari koje se nikako nemogu uporediti. Kanadsko i US školovanje imaju sasvim drugačiji sistem. Tursko školovanje takođe. Jel se zezaš ili ovo stvarno za tebe predstavljaja argumente

Lesli Eldridž wrote:

lerdi wrote:

Lesli Eldridž wrote:In the United States

In the United States, the bachelor's degree is the standard four year undergraduate degree awarded to engineering students and is generally the only degree required for licensure (that is, it is the first professional degree in the field). For graduate students, the two year master's degree is by far the most common route, which may be followed by the doctorate. The Degree of Engineer or Engineer's Degree is the least commonly obtained advanced degree in engineering. It is usually preceded by a master's degree and is not a prerequisite to a doctoral degree. It serves as a terminal degree for practicing engineers. The availability of degrees and the specific requirements differ considerably between institutions and between specialties within an institution. Officially, both undergraduate programs and graduate programs at the master's-level may receive ABET-accreditation, but ABET will only accredit a bachelor's or a master's degree at a given institution (not both). In practice, although undergraduate accreditation is common, master's-level accreditation is rare unless an undergraduate program is not available (for example, the Naval Postgraduate School).

In many other fields, the master's degree would naturally be followed by a traditional research doctorate (Ph.D.). But in this case, the engineer's degree provides an alternative that has been tailored for professionals rather than academicians. Some schools, Stanford and Caltech for example, require a thesis. But, the requirements are generally less than those of Ph.D. candidates and more comparable to those of most Master of Science students. Others, like Santa Clara University, do not have a specific research requirement. For this reason, many consider an engineer's degree to be on a level between a master's degree and a doctorate. Nonetheless, it is in fact a terminal degree, much like the Ed.S. degree in education.

In the past, it was not uncommon for a would-be engineer to earn an engineer's degree as their first and only college degree. But since World War II this has fallen out of favor, and it becomes continually more difficult to find a school that offers this option.

Note: A degree with some form of the word "engineer(ing)" in the title is not necessarily an engineer's degree in this sense. Particularly, a "Master of Engineering" (M.Eng.) or "Engineering Doctorate" (Eng. D) degree is not an Engineer's degree, nor is any other bachelor's, master's, or doctoral degree. Rather, the engineer's degree is in a category of its own. For example, a student with a B.S. and M.S. in electrical engineering might next earn the degree Electrical Engineer. The person would then have a B.S. in E.E., a M.S. in E.E., and an E.E. degree. The former two are degrees in engineering, and only the latter degree is actually an Engineer's degree.

Lesli ja stvarno ne mogu da shvatim šta se sa tobom dešava. Upoređuješ stvari koje se nikako nemogu uporediti. Kanadsko i US školovanje imaju sasvim drugačiji sistem. Tursko školovanje takođe. Jel se zezaš ili ovo stvarno za tebe predstavljaja argumente

Stavi u wikipediji dipl.ing. pa ćeš naći sve ovo i još više i vidjet ćeš da je skoro isto kao kod nas. Pogledaj kako se polaže državni stručni ispit u Kanadi, Italiji i Trancuskoj. U italiji se tek nakon položenog državnog ispita i nešto staža smiju potpisivati samo sa Ing. Ono B. i Master nije više bitno uopšte.

bubavi1 wrote:Cini mi se da ce nam sad Lesli copy/paste sloziti sve one sto je skupljo sedmicu dana lol Lesli dragi, nemoj Boga ti uporedjivati BIH sistem skole i s ostalim zemljima...nismo ravni njihovim Nobelovcima kamo ostalo...Koj to BIH inzinjer salje satelite na svemiru, da ne govorim ko ih pravi... eto samo taj primjer?? !!
Bice ravan kada zavrsis jos koju godinu Lesli

Lesli Eldridž wrote:

bubavi1 wrote:Cini mi se da ce nam sad Lesli copy/paste sloziti sve one sto je skupljo sedmicu dana lol Lesli dragi, nemoj Boga ti uporedjivati BIH sistem skole i s ostalim zemljima...nismo ravni njihovim Nobelovcima kamo ostalo...Koj to BIH inzinjer salje satelite na svemiru, da ne govorim ko ih pravi... eto samo taj primjer?? !!
Bice ravan kada zavrsis jos koju godinu Lesli

Ma dobro nikakvi argumenti ne vrijede kad si ti u pitanju. Šta hoćeš da napišem? Da ste najbolji, najljepši, najjači,...? OK eto napisat ću ti to. I osjećaš li se bolje kad znaš da nije tako?
Da neće možda filozofi, pravnici i ekonomisti slati sonde na Mars.

bubavi1 wrote:Cini mi se da ce nam sad Lesli copy/paste sloziti sve one sto je skupljo sedmicu dana lol Lesli dragi, nemoj Boga ti uporedjivati BIH sistem skole i s ostalim zemljima...nismo ravni njihovim Nobelovcima kamo ostalo...Koj to BIH inzinjer salje satelite na svemiru, da ne govorim ko ih pravi... eto samo taj primjer?? !!
Bice ravan kada zavrsis jos koju godinu Lesli

bubavi1 wrote:

Lesli Eldridž wrote:

bubavi1 wrote:Cini mi se da ce nam sad Lesli copy/paste sloziti sve one sto je skupljo sedmicu dana lol Lesli dragi, nemoj Boga ti uporedjivati BIH sistem skole i s ostalim zemljima...nismo ravni njihovim Nobelovcima kamo ostalo...Koj to BIH inzinjer salje satelite na svemiru, da ne govorim ko ih pravi... eto samo taj primjer?? !!
Bice ravan kada zavrsis jos koju godinu Lesli

Ma dobro nikakvi argumenti ne vrijede kad si ti u pitanju. Šta hoćeš da napišem? Da ste najbolji, najljepši, najjači,...? OK eto napisat ću ti to. I osjećaš li se bolje kad znaš da nije tako?
Da neće možda filozofi, pravnici i ekonomisti slati sonde na Mars.

naveo sam primjer u tvom smjeru...

latinalover wrote:@lesli jesi li ti zavrsio masinski kod nas ili elektrotehnicki?
zasto ne odgovoris?

bubavi1 wrote:PRPAAAA PRPAAAA

Vode diskusije samo one kao ti koji su na stari sistem zavrsili, ali koliko ja znam, da nema dileme u CH kao i u FR!!! samo isfrustrirani iz EX-YU nesto kao eto diskutuju, upravo kao ti, preko forumaaaaa lol

Lesli Eldridž wrote:The following chart illustrates a comparison when the old degree (Diplom) and the new European degrees (Bachelor/Master) are obtained with some sample durations of studies.

It should also be noted for comparison purposes that at the time of the Bologna process, schools in most German states started changing from 13 school years to 12 or 13 years depending on the school. An exception are the states of Saxony and Thuringia, where Gymnasium lasts for 12 school years since German Reunification. Most of the students going for a Diplom therefore spent 13 years in school before starting their Diploma, while the younger Bachelor students nowadays may start one year earlier. However, in some states, such as Rhineland-Palatinate or Schleswig-Holstein, the first class which completes school after 12 years will graduate as late as 2016.

Još malo. Obratite dooobro pažnju na razliku dipl. i ostale...

bubavi1 wrote:

Lesli Eldridž wrote:The following chart illustrates a comparison when the old degree (Diplom) and the new European degrees (Bachelor/Master) are obtained with some sample durations of studies.

It should also be noted for comparison purposes that at the time of the Bologna process, schools in most German states started changing from 13 school years to 12 or 13 years depending on the school. An exception are the states of Saxony and Thuringia, where Gymnasium lasts for 12 school years since German Reunification. Most of the students going for a Diplom therefore spent 13 years in school before starting their Diploma, while the younger Bachelor students nowadays may start one year earlier. However, in some states, such as Rhineland-Palatinate or Schleswig-Holstein, the first class which completes school after 12 years will graduate as late as 2016.

Još malo. Obratite dooobro pažnju na razliku dipl. i ostale...

pa jeli ti covijek lijepo rekao ispocetka, sve ovisi od razvoja skole u osnovnoj...nemozes uporediti svoj 6 razred s francuskim 6 razredom, nema te sile!