Sirija

[udrch]

koga li je onaj s minobacačem naciljao i roka granate samo da mi je znati
onaj nešto kucka da kofol ispravi jer je vjerovatno vruća cijev

Pa ko je ikad vidio minobacac zna da ove granate padaju ofrlje ... */- 5 km ... a radi se o gradu.
Znaci, kad Sirijska vojska koristi artiljeriju po gradu, onda je to ratni zlochin, a ovo je "borbeno dejstvo"

izvini, jel ti ovo 5km znači 5 kilometara ili sam ja donio loš zaključak?

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koga li je onaj s minobacačem naciljao i roka granate samo da mi je znati
onaj nešto kucka da kofol ispravi jer je vjerovatno vruća cijev

Pa ko je ikad vidio minobacac zna da ove granate padaju ofrlje ... */- 5 km ... a radi se o gradu.
Znaci, kad Sirijska vojska koristi artiljeriju po gradu, onda je to ratni zlochin, a ovo je "borbeno dejstvo"

izvini, jel ti ovo 5km znači 5 kilometara ili sam ja donio loš zaključak?

Oces me to sad instruirat oko dometa mb?

[udrch]

zaista nemam namjeru da te instruiram oko dometa minobacača..posebno, jer tvoja opaska se odnosila na preciznost, pa sam u vezi toga pitao jel km znači kilometar kao što bi trebalo značiti..
domet nisi spominjao, ali preciznost jesi, pa sam uljudno postavio pitanje..ako ne želiš odgovoriti nije problem..

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zaista nemam namjeru da te instruiram oko dometa minobacača..posebno, jer tvoja opaska se odnosila na preciznost, pa sam u vezi toga pitao jel km znači kilometar kao što bi trebalo značiti..
domet nisi spominjao, ali preciznost jesi, pa sam uljudno postavio pitanje..ako ne želiš odgovoriti nije problem..

Da, km znaci kilometar, jesam li nesto pogrijesio, tj. da li se onakvo gadjanje moze nazvati NESELEKTIVNIM kako sam ustvrdio ili ne?

[udrch]

nemam više pitanja..hvala

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nemam više pitanja..hvala

Hmmm ... mislis trolanja?

[udrch]

nemam više pitanja..hvala

Hmmm ... mislis trolanja?

pogodio si...mislim ono +/- 5km

[underwater]

nemam više pitanja..hvala

Hmmm ... mislis trolanja?

pogodio si...mislim ono +/- 5km

Pa jesam i to ... stojim iza svakog metra
A drago mi sto si mi se tako lijepo i uljudno obratio ... nego koja je tvoja argumentacija?

[udrch]

Pa ko je ikad vidio minobacac zna da ove granate padaju ofrlje ... */- 5 km ...

pa moja argumentacija jeste da si ti baš mlad ili si tokom rata bio na privremenom boravku u nekoj od prijateljskih zemalja ili možda nisi uopće stanovnik ove naše lijepe zemlje, pa te se rat nije ni ticao..doduše možda si iz Srebrenika..

[underwater]

Pa ko je ikad vidio minobacac zna da ove granate padaju ofrlje ... */- 5 km ...

pa moja argumentacija jeste da si ti baš mlad ili si tokom rata bio na privremenom boravku u nekoj od prijateljskih zemalja ili možda nisi uopće stanovnik ove naše lijepe zemlje, pa te se rat nije ni ticao..doduše možda si iz Srebrenika..

Argumentacija ti je gomila gluposti.
Kao i svi tvoji upisi.
Pitanje za tebe: koji je ono (tip) MB i zasto ima (onoliko) dugu cijev ?

[sarajevoxxxx]

Pa ko je ikad vidio minobacac zna da ove granate padaju ofrlje ... */- 5 km ...

pa moja argumentacija jeste da si ti baš mlad ili si tokom rata bio na privremenom boravku u nekoj od prijateljskih zemalja ili možda nisi uopće stanovnik ove naše lijepe zemlje, pa te se rat nije ni ticao..doduše možda si iz Srebrenika..

Argumentacija ti je gomila gluposti.
Kao i svi tvoji upisi.
Pitanje za tebe: koji je ono MB i zasto ima (onoliko) dugu cijev ?

- Minobacačka granata može fuliti u par desetina metara, dobar frajer sa dobrom ekipom sa nekih par kilometara udaljenosti može podobro pogoditi metu, dakle rov ili zemunicu. Kakvih crnih 5 km, to je jedna od žeščih provala na forumu.

- Ima jedna druga stvar, minobacači FSA dosta ih je domaća radinost, i podobro su neprecizni, tako da je opravdan strah da njihove minobacačke granate često mogu pogoditi neželjene ciljeve.

[udrch]

ne znam ti ja o minobacačima ništa, ja sam bio na ovoj strani gdje su granate padale, za razliku od nekih drugih..
znam da im je preciznost +/- 5km, pročito od nekog lika na nekom forumu..
nemoj se obazirati na moje upise, čitaj svoje umotvorine..

i da, ne gledam klipove nikad ni na jednoj temi, osim onih koji to zaslužuju..recimo onaj iz svlačionice, ili onaj sa suprotne polovine, ili onaj projektil iz Ziline..njih sam gledao par stotina puta..

[udrch]

- Minobacačka granata može fuliti u par desetina metara, dobar frajer sa dobrom ekipom sa nekih par kilometara udaljenosti može podobro pogoditi metu, dakle rov ili zemunicu. Kakvih crnih 5 km, to je jedna od žeščih provala na forumu.

- Ima jedna druga stvar, minobacači FSA dosta ih je domaća radinost, i podobro su neprecizni, tako da je opravdan strah da njihove minobacačke granate često mogu pogoditi neželjene ciljeve.

najveće ljudske žrtve u našem ratu napravile su minobacačke granate..dobra ekipa je dobrim projektilom smatrala onaj koji padne u par metara, a ne desetina metara..kilometri su onako bubnuti da bi se opravdalo neselktivno granatiranje SAA..

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- Minobacačka granata može fuliti u par desetina metara, dobar frajer sa dobrom ekipom sa nekih par kilometara udaljenosti može podobro pogoditi metu, dakle rov ili zemunicu. Kakvih crnih 5 km, to je jedna od žeščih provala na forumu.

- Ima jedna druga stvar, minobacači FSA dosta ih je domaća radinost, i podobro su neprecizni, tako da je opravdan strah da njihove minobacačke granate često mogu pogoditi neželjene ciljeve.

Mislio sam se da li da ti uopce ovo komentiram, ali eto, bajram ide, pa malo zekjata na znanje da ti dam
MB-cem sa nekoliko km pogoditi u "par desetina metara" moze samo expert, ili ako se orudje "korigira" vanjskim osmatracem, dakle iz trece, cetv ili cak pete granate.
Opcenito, MB moze fuliti za - onoliko koliko mu je domet.
Posebno ako se fiksira kao sto je ekipa sa klipa.
A domet onog MB je 9 km i nije iz radionice.
I ascare se vidi da nema racunanja, da se puca nasumice.

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i da, ne gledam klipove nikad ni na jednoj temi, osim onih koji to zaslužuju..recimo onaj iz svlačionice, ili onaj sa suprotne polovine, ili onaj projektil iz Ziline..njih sam gledao par stotina puta..

Pa ako nisi gledao klip koji sam komentirao, zasto onda trolas i mene zajebavas ovde?

[udrch]

Pa ko je ikad vidio minobacac zna da ove granate padaju ofrlje ... */- 5 km ...

ja sam komentirao ovu rečenicu..a kad bih gledao sve ove klipove koje postavljaju samo na ovoj temi niti bih imao šta jesti, jer bih dobio nogu u guzicu niti bih mogao jesti, jer se ovdje uživa u postavljanju i gledanju morbidnih klipova..
ne želim spomijati niti praviti paralele, ali da su pojedine granate u toku rata bile neprecizne za tih par desetina metara danas bi bilo puno više živih među nama..i to nisu radili nikakvi experti, već obični vojnici..najlakše oružje za obuku i rukovanje..

[sarajevoxxxx]

'Sex Jihad' and Other Lies: Assad's Elaborate Disinformation Campaign

By Christoph Reuter

Photo Gallery: The Syrian Regime's War of Half-Truths and Full LiesPhotos

Syrian President Assad's regime is waging a PR campaign to spread stories that discredit its rivals and distract from its own crimes. Aided by gullible networks and foreign media, it has included tales of rebels engaging in "sex jihad" and massacring Christians.

Sex sells. And al-Qaida is eager to grab attention. But the combination of the two -- sex jihad -- is simply irresistible. Scores of young women are reportedly offering themselves to jihadists, according to one of the latest horror news stories coming out of Syria. A sheik from Saudi Arabia has allegedly issued a fatwa that allows teenage klix to provide relief to sexually frustrated fighters.

ANZEIGE

In late September, 16-year-old Rawan Qadah appeared on Syrian TV and gave a detailed account of how she had to sexually satisfy a radical insurgent. After the Tunisian interior minister stated that young women from his country were traveling to Syria for sex jihad -- and having sex with 20, 30 and even up to 100 rebels -- the story started to make headlines in Germany, as well. In Germany, the websites of the mass circulation Bild newspaper and Focus magazine have titillated readers with articles about this supposed "bizarre practice."
In the wake of the poison gas massacre on Aug. 21, the regime in Damascus has launched a major PR offensive. Beyond the official line of propaganda, though, there is a second campaign: a secret and elaborately staged effort to sow doubt and confusion -- and divert attention away from the Syrian government's own crimes. Like many of these bogus news stories, the sex jihad tales aim to convince supporters at home and critics abroad of the rebels' monstrous depravity.

No other leader in the region -- not Saddam Hussein in Iraq, nor Moammar Gadhafi in Libya -- has relied as heavily on propaganda as Assad. His PR teams and state media are churning out a steady stream of partially or completely fabricated new stories about acts of terror against Christians, al-Qaeda's rise to power and the imminent destabilization of the entire region. These stories are circulated by Russian and Iranian broadcasters, as well as Christian networks, and are eventually picked up by Western media.

One prime example is the legend of orgies with terrorists: The 16-year-old presented on state TV comes from a prominent oppositional family in Daraa. When the regime failed to capture her father, she was abducted by security forces on her way home from school in November 2012. During the same TV program, a second woman confessed that she had submitted to group sex with the fanatical Al-Nusra Front. According to her family, though, she was arrested at the University of Damascus while protesting against Assad. Both young women are still missing. Their families say that they were forced to make the televised statements -- and that the allegation of sex jihad is a lie.

An alleged Tunisian sex jihadist also dismissed the stories when she was contacted by Arab media: "All lies!", she said. She admitted that she had been to Syria, but as a nurse. She says she is married and has since fled to Jordan.

Two human rights organizations have been trying to substantiate the sex jihad stories, but have so far come up empty-handed. It appears that the Tunisian interior minister had other motives for jumping on this rumor: Hundreds of Islamists have left his country and traveled to Syria, and he is apparently trying to stem the tide by discrediting these fighters. Furthermore, Sheikh Mohammad al-Arifi, the man who is allegedly behind the sex jihad fatwa, denies everything. "No person in their right mind would approve of such a thing," he says.

Disseminating Lies

It is difficult -- and, at times, even impossible -- to verify all the horror stories emerging from the civil war in Syria. This holds especially true when they are disseminated in a roundabout way, as is the case with most of the reports of persecuted Christians.

For example, on Sept. 26, the German Catholic news agency KNA issued a report -- citing the Vatican news agency Fides -- stating that Muslim legal scholars in the opposition stronghold Douma, near Damascus, had called for "the property of non-Muslims to be confiscated." Fides said that it had a copy of a document that was signed by 36 Muslim religious figures. Yet although this appeared to be a serious story, it turned out to be based on a forgery: a fictitious text with real signatures. It actually came from a 2011 statement calling for civilians to be spared during the fighting. On a number of occasions, Fides has accepted as true propaganda fabrications released by regime-affiliated portals, such as Syria Truth.

This also includes the myth of the beheading of a bishop -- a story also spread by Assad in an interview with SPIEGEL. The fact of the matter is that a jihadist from Dagestan killed three men in this way, but they weren't Christians. After getting the stamp of approval from the official news agency of the Vatican, such rumors generated by Assad's propaganda machine are circulated around the world as bona-fide new stories.

The facts were twisted in a similar manner when an image of a woman tied to a pillar in Aleppo appeared on the LiveLeak video portal in mid-September. The website claimed that the woman was a Christian from Aleppo who had been abducted by al-Qaida rebels. In reality, although the photo was taken in Aleppo, it dates back to a period when Assad's troops still controlled the entire city. A video of the scene, posted on YouTube on June 12, 2012, shows regime-loyal militias berating the woman.

The regime also concocted the legend of the destruction of the Christian village of Maaloula. In early September, rebels belonging to three groups, including al-Nusra, attacked two military posts on the outskirts of town held by members of the local Assad-loyal Shabiha militias. Then the rebels withdrew. But the regime's version, which even managed to become an Associated Press story, was as follows: Foreign terrorists looted and burned down churches -- and even threatened to behead Christians who refused to convert to Islam.

This didn't match with reports from the nuns of the Thekla convent in Maaloula and the Greek Orthodox patriarch of Antioch. They said that nothing had been damaged and no one had been threatened on account of their beliefs. A reporter from the satellite news network Russia Today unwittingly cleared up the confusion. While accompanying the Syrian army, he filmed the tank attack on Maaloula -- in which the local monastery was shelled.

This ongoing reinterpretation of events reflects a conscious policy -- and bending the truth is much easier now that Syria has become such a confusing and chaotic theater of war. Most news publications shy away from the risks and efforts of verifying stories on the ground. klix events, such as when jihadists burned down a church in the northern Syrian town of Rakka, are mixed together with trumped-up atrocities staged to sway global opinion.

Even blatant inconsistencies are often accepted without question. After all, tangible evidence to the contrary rarely exists. When state-run media reported that the prominent imam Mohammed al-Buti, a supporter of Assad, was killed by a suicide bomber at his mosque in the heart of Damascus on March 21, all rebel groups denied having anything to do with the attack. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean much. But even an untrained eye would have to notice that the photos showed no signs of an explosion: Chandeliers, fans and carpets were all intact. Instead, there were bullet holes clear across a marble wall, and pools of blood apparently showed where the bodies had lain. Many of the victims were wearing shoes, which is highly unusual for Muslims in a mosque. There were also no witnesses. All of this feeds the suspicion that the victims were forced into the building and murdered -- as a backdrop for an attack that never occurred.

Pinning the Blame

After the poison gas attack in August, though, the propaganda cover-up failed. Inundated by a global wave of indignation, the regime floundered in its attempts to explain the situation. First, Assad said that nothing had happened. Then state television showed images of an alleged rebel hideout containing a barrel with the blatantly obvious label: "Made in Saudia." The TV report maintained that this was sarin gas from Saudi Arabia for "terrorists" who had inadvertently gassed themselves to death.

The source of the story was a little known news website called Mint Press, based in the northern US state of Minnesota. One of the authors later denied having anything to do with the research. The other, a young Jordanian who writes under a number of pseudonyms, merely responded to queries by saying that he was currently studying in Iran. In an online comment on an article in Britain's Daily Mail, though, he gave the following detail that was missing on Mint Press: "Some old men arrived in Damascus from Russia and one of them became friends with me. He told me that they have evidence that it was the rebels who used the (chemical) weapons." A few days later, the Russian foreign minister quoted the report from Mint Press as proof of Assad's innocence.

An entirely different explanation for the alleged gas attack by the rebels was presented to British broadcaster Sky News by Assad's top media adviser, Buthaina Shaaban: She said that terrorists had abducted 300 Alawite children from Latakia, taken them to Damascus and murdered them so they could be presented to the world as victims.
And now comes a new line of defense that neither relies on chemicals nor argues that the rebels killed themselves: In a SPIEGEL interview, Assad states that sarin is a "kitchen gas" because "it can be made anywhere." But this flies in the face of a United Nations report, which states that rockets carrying sarin gas could only have come from a military base run by government forces.

Although Assad likes to cover up his crimes with a crisis-driven media blitz, he actually prefers to meet with the press and directly tell his side of the story. This includes presenting his regime as a final bulwark against global terror, even though he has his agents carry out the very kinds of attacks he is warning the world about and attributing to his rivals. For example, police in Turkey and Lebanon have charged the Syrian intelligence agency with responsibility for the most devastating attacks in years. After two bombs in Tripoli killed 47 people on Aug. 23, a Lebanese court issued an arrest warrant against two Syrians -- for planning acts of terrorism.

Translated from the German by Paul Cohen

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 26479.html

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Islamski učenjaci u Siriji su u petak 11.10.2013 na džumi izdali fetvu da je u područjima koje režim drži u okruženju dozvoljeno jesti pse i mačke !!!

danasnji islamski "ucenjaci" jedino su u stanju dobro prdit....
vjerujem da su cekali fetvu islamskih "ucenjaka" o tome kako prezivit okruzenje....

Kolega, tvoj komentar pokazuje snagu zdravog rezoniranja!
Fetva naravno ne smije biti GLUPAVA
No nadasve ne smije biti PROPAGANDA .... ova zasigurno nije nikakva uputa ljudima vec - EPP
Ta dvolicnost i pokvarenost "uleme" koja stoji evo i fetvama iza komadanja Sirije pokazuje svu duhovnu bijedu vahabitske ideologije.

[sarajevoxxxx]

'Sex Jihad' and Other Lies: Assad's Elaborate Disinformation Campaign

By Christoph Reuter

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 26479.html

Der Spiegel

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[husein_kapetan]

Za vidjeti
2 autobombe eksplodiraju ispred sjedišta sirijske TV... sve uživo
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bb6_1381696806
Ovaj na videu ili je nesvakidašnje hrabar ili ....

[sarajevoxxxx]

Intervju sa komadantom FSA u Al Sefiri:



''Glavna komanda je odbila da nam proslijedi oružje zbog islamista koji brane Al Sefiru. Na moje pitanje zašto je to tako, odgovorili su da Amerika to od njih zahtjeva'' riječi su ovog komadanta.

Islamisti koje brane Al Sefiru su Ahraru Šam i Džejšul Islam odnosno Vojska Islama.

[Challenger__]

Za vidjeti
2 autobombe eksplodiraju ispred sjedišta sirijske TV... sve uživo
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bb6_1381696806

Evo, isti snimak i na YT:

[Kikibombona]

''Glavna komanda je odbila da nam proslijedi oružje zbog islamista koji brane Al Sefiru. Na moje pitanje zašto je to tako, odgovorili su da Amerika to od njih zahtjeva'' riječi su ovog komadanta.

Islamisti koje brane Al Sefiru su Ahraru Šam i Džejšul Islam odnosno Vojska Islama.

Tako je to sa Amerikom, danas te pomazu - sutra te zgaze ili puste niz vodu.

Oni ce ako bude interesa podrzati radikalne islamiste protiv sekularne vlasti, ali ih u biti preziru kao takve i kad tad ce im dohakati. To ovi jadnici nikako da skontaju.

[sarajevoxxxx]

Njegov potpis se nalazi na 13 primjeraka mushafa koje je sam ručno ispisao. Smatra se jednim od najpoznatijih svijetskih kaligrafa, prepisivača mushafa plemenitog. Njegovo ime je Ahmed Abdulbari, prije par dana pao je kao šehid u režimskom nasumičnom granatiranju mjesta Jelda u Deri.