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Toto,ne pretjeruj , vec procitaj cijelu temu ,ako ti to nije daljnja namjera,otvori svoju temu jer se upravo tako "osjecas"
ne bi mi se bilo mrsko upuscat u temu, ali mi je pregolema/kabahali, uopstena ... nisam siguran jesam li i shvatio sta je pjesnik htio reci; ogroman historjeki period, premabiciozan broj podpitanja i relacija, jako puno generalizacija...
ja se ne snalazim u ovome....
varijacije na temu halucinacije
pa se necu plekat
idem ja o peksimetima i peksimet fransizi
ljubav_aha wrote:dok su u fojnici proslavili ahdnamu mirnim putem,sto i treba ostati u sektoru istorije i kulture
"Historija je karakteristična što se vremena i ljudi mijenjaju. Trebamo čuvati vrijednosti koje su vječne u povijesti, ono što bi želio istaknuti mislim da su vječne vrijednosti ljudi i da to treba čuvati, njegovati i predavati drugima. Da se ljudi znaju susresti, međusobno razgovarati, da se ljudi znaju pomiriti i graditi mir. Mir je djelo pravde, mir je djelo istine, to u svetim knjigama piše, mir i pomirenje se temelje na istini, na pravdi."
sarlo wrote:Isti princip je vazio za sve. Ne moze jedan sistem opstati tako dugo vremena ako nema univerzalne vrijednosti, koje su se vremenom urusile. Naprimjer Mehmed-aga Focic i trojica mu ahbaba su se kao komadanti lokalne vojske (tako ih mozemo danas nazvati) pobunili 1801 i postali nezavisni (Beogradski odnosno Smederevski pasaluk) u donosu na Sultana.
Albanci, Grci koji su prihvatili Islam su daleko dogurali. I oni koji su ostali krscani uskracena im je bila drzavna sluzba, ali im se pruzala mogicnost da trguju i postajali su po pravilu najbogatiji ljudi u svojim sredinima. U Sarajevu veletrgovinu karavanima je drzalo nekoliko srpskih porodica u 19 vijeku i bili su najbogatije Sarajlije.
pravoslavci su druga stvar i poznato je da su mnogo bili povlasteni kod turaka. de mi napisi za katolike koje su oni povlasti imali osim da budu turska magarad
Toto wrote:
ne bi mi se bilo mrsko upuscat u temu, ali mi je pregolema/kabahali, uopstena ... nisam siguran jesam li i shvatio sta je pjesnik htio reci; ogroman historjeki period, premabiciozan broj podpitanja i relacija, jako puno generalizacija...
ja se ne snalazim u ovome....
varijacije na temu halucinacije
pa se necu plekat
idem ja o peksimetima i peksimet fransizi
Toto wrote:
ne bi mi se bilo mrsko upuscat u temu, ali mi je pregolema/kabahali, uopstena ... nisam siguran jesam li i shvatio sta je pjesnik htio reci; ogroman historjeki period, premabiciozan broj podpitanja i relacija, jako puno generalizacija...
ja se ne snalazim u ovome....
varijacije na temu halucinacije
pa se necu plekat
idem ja o peksimetima i peksimet fransizi
sarlo wrote:Isti princip je vazio za sve. Ne moze jedan sistem opstati tako dugo vremena ako nema univerzalne vrijednosti, koje su se vremenom urusile. Naprimjer Mehmed-aga Focic i trojica mu ahbaba su se kao komadanti lokalne vojske (tako ih mozemo danas nazvati) pobunili 1801 i postali nezavisni (Beogradski odnosno Smederevski pasaluk) u donosu na Sultana.
Albanci, Grci koji su prihvatili Islam su daleko dogurali. I oni koji su ostali krscani uskracena im je bila drzavna sluzba, ali im se pruzala mogicnost da trguju i postajali su po pravilu najbogatiji ljudi u svojim sredinima. U Sarajevu veletrgovinu karavanima je drzalo nekoliko srpskih porodica u 19 vijeku i bili su najbogatije Sarajlije.
pravoslavci su druga stvar i poznato je da su mnogo bili povlasteni kod turaka. de mi napisi za katolike koje su oni povlasti imali osim da budu turska magarad
eh,pa 500 godina nije kratak period
e sad budi spremna na jos jedno 500tinjak godinica...osim ako ne ostanes u skandinaviji ne predvidja se skori dolazak istih na te prostore,mada nikad se ne zna
ili nas globalno zatopljavanje ne potopi
bujrum: http://www.sredisnjabosna.com/sredisnja ... lkanu.html
“The religious Muslims now in power are trying to feed the Turkish people an Ottoman poison,” said Sada Kural, 45, a housewife and staunch supporter of Ataturk’s vision. “The Ottoman era wasn’t a good period; we were the sick man of Europe, rights were suppressed and women only got the vote after Ataturk came to power.”
"Pelin Batu, co-host of a popular television history program, argued that the glorification of the Ottoman era by a government with roots in political Islam reflected a revolt against the secular cultural revolution undertaken by Ataturk, who outlawed the wearing of Islamic head scarves in state institutions and abolished the Ottoman-era caliphate.
“Ottomania is a form of Islamic empowerment for a new Muslim religious bourgeoisie who are reacting against Ataturk’s attempt to relegate religion and Islam to the sidelines,” she said.
In a society struggling with its identity, not everyone welcomes the phenomenon."
ljubav_aha wrote:“The religious Muslims now in power are trying to feed the Turkish people an Ottoman poison,” said Sada Kural, 45, a housewife and staunch supporter of Ataturk’s vision. “The Ottoman era wasn’t a good period; we were the sick man of Europe, rights were suppressed and women only got the vote after Ataturk came to power.”
"Pelin Batu, co-host of a popular television history program, argued that the glorification of the Ottoman era by a government with roots in political Islam reflected a revolt against the secular cultural revolution undertaken by Ataturk, who outlawed the wearing of Islamic head scarves in state institutions and abolished the Ottoman-era caliphate.
“Ottomania is a form of Islamic empowerment for a new Muslim religious bourgeoisie who are reacting against Ataturk’s attempt to relegate religion and Islam to the sidelines,” she said.
In a society struggling with its identity, not everyone welcomes the phenomenon."
izvor NYT
jel to ovaj clanak? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/05/world ... ire&st=cse
jesteee...samo nedostaje ti prvi dio clanka,onaj kljucni
ne valja tako selektivno postavljati clanke,moze se autor naljutiti dakle nedostaje ti ovo
Frustrated With West, Turks Revel in Empire Lost
Published: December 4, 2009
ISTANBUL — More than eight decades ago, Ertugrul Osman, an heir to the Ottoman throne, was unceremoniously thrown out of Turkey with his family. He lived to be 97, spending most of his years in a modest Manhattan apartment above a bakery. But in September, at his funeral in the garden of the majestic Sultanahmet Mosque here, thousands of mourners paid their respects, including government officials and celebrities. Some even kissed the hands of surviving dynasty members, who appeared shocked at the adulation.
The show of reverence for the man who might have been sultan, historians said, was a seminal moment in the rehabilitation of the Ottoman Empire, long demonized by some in the modern, secular Turkish Republic created by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk in 1923. During Ataturk’s rule, the empire was remembered mainly for its decadence and its humiliating defeat and partition by the Allies in World War I.
Mr. Osman’s send-off was just the latest manifestation of what sociologists call “Ottomania,” a harking back to an era marked by conquest and cultural splendor during which sultans ruled an empire stretching from the Balkans to the Indian Ocean and claimed the spiritual leadership of the Muslim world.
The longing for those glory years — by religious Muslims and secularists alike — partly reflects Turks’ frustration with a European Union that seems ill disposed to accept them as members. And in a country where the tension between religion and secularism is never far from the surface, members of the new governing class of religious Muslims have seized upon nostalgia for the Ottoman Empire as a way to challenge the pro-Western elite that emerged during Ataturk’s rule, and to help forge a national identity of Turkey as an aspiring regional leader.
“Turks are attracted to the heroism and the glory of the Ottoman period because it belongs to them,” said the director of Topkapi Palace, Ilber Ortayli, who, as the keeper of the sumptuous residence where Ottoman sultans lived for 400 years, is also a zealous unofficial gatekeeper of the Ottoman legacy. “The sultans hold a place in the popular consciousness like Douglas MacArthur or General Patton have for Americans.”
The current vogue of all things Ottoman, from the proliferation of historical docudramas to the popularity of porcelain ashtrays adorned with harem women, is sometimes manifesting itself in ways that would surely have made a real sultan blanch.
During Ramadan, Burger King offered a special sultan menu featuring dishes popular in the Ottoman years. In the television commercial promoting the meal, a turbaned Janissary — a member of an elite group of Ottoman soldiers — exhorts viewers not to “leave any burgers standing.”
Ottomania has also infected the nation’s youth; 20-somethings at hip dance clubs here wear T-shirts emblazoned with slogans like “The Empire Strikes Back” or “Terrible Turks” — the latter turning the taunt Europeans once used against their Ottoman invaders into a defiant symbol of self-affirmation.
Kerim Sarc, 42, the owner of Ottoman Empire T-Shirts and the scion of an illustrious Ottoman family, believes that the newfound fondness for a mighty empire that lasted more than 600 years and once reached the gates of Vienna is linked to the long struggle for membership in the European Union. The bloc has imposed tough conditions on Turkey, including asking it to compromise in its longstanding dispute over Cyprus.
“We Turks are tired of being treated in Europe like poor, backward peasants,” he said.
The Ottoman renaissance is equally prevalent in the nation’s highest political circles, where the Muslim-inspired Justice and Development Party government has been aggressively courting former Ottoman colonies, including Iraq and Syria, in at least a partial reorientation of foreign policy toward the east that Turkish analysts have labeled as “Neo-Ottoman.”
That shift has alarmed officials in Europe and Washington, and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is expected to reassure President Obama when he meets him at the White House on Monday that Turkey has not abandoned its Western course.
It is a sign of the Ottoman Empire’s new hold on the popular imagination that in January when Mr. Erdogan publicly rebuked the Israeli president, Shimon Peres, over the war in Gaza, at a debate at Davos, Switzerland, he was greeted enthusiastically by his supporters back in Turkey with the chant, “Our fatih is back!” The allusion was to Fatih — or conqueror — Sultan Mehmet II, the towering sultan who at age 21 conquered Constantinople, now Istanbul, in 1453.
Colleagues said Mr. Erdogan proudly displays an original decree in his office by Sultan Mehmet II granting autonomy to religious minorities within the empire.
“The Ottoman Empire conquered two-thirds of the world but did not force anyone to change their language or religion at a time when minorities elsewhere were being oppressed,” said Egeman Bagis, the minister for European Union affairs. “Turks can be proud of that legacy.”
najvise volim one koji misle da samo oni znaju citati i koristiti racunar
ljubav_aha wrote:i sto mislis,sto je autorova poenta
autor kaze:"ONI DOLAZEEE"
pripremi tulipane(jesi li znala da je domovina tulipana turska ne holandija )i friske baklave,takve najvise vole
a nastavio bih ja tamo,ali si ti ostala ovde pa reko da ti ne bude dosadno
a i da ti malo pomognem s ovim postanjem clanaka nesto mi gubis djelove teksta
nenamjerno valjda
salu na stranu,postajes mi plahho draga
''People should be far more concerned about Turkey getting closer to Russia and applying the Russian approach to governance than they should about the turn toward the Middle East and Islam,'' he said. ''This government is perfectly capable of saying 'no thanks' to Europe and instead shifting toward Russia.''
eh,eto,sto ce turcima EU ,jer ocevidno mogu i bez nje,a i EI svakako ne zeli tursku iz prethodno grazloga,i kako ce TO turska pomoci BiH koja zeli u EU
ne cuvaj ih u neizvjesnosti