Pa ispadnes po svom glupi Bosanac - ko sam ja da kazem drugacije.The 51st State wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:35Ko sam ja da kazem drugacije?
a sto su se zadali..detroit-mercy wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:34Npr, ako mislis na to da Otomani povedu rat sa Rujama pa pokupe Bosance, Srbe, Bugare, Arape i td. onda smo ratovali, ali smo isto tako ratovali i sa Austro-Ugarimai ko zna sa kime jos kroz bune koje si isao da gusis kao jer si bio dio Otomanske carevine/vojske. Ali u ovom slucaju se poistovjecujes sa Otomanima-okupatorima. Jebi ga, ratovali su i Crnogorci sa Japanom
Je li to zbog Rusa ili sto si bio Osmanlijama topovsko mesoThe 51st State wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:37Zadnji rat ce nam biti sa bosancimadetroit-mercy wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:34Npr, ako mislis na to da Otomani povedu rat sa Rujama pa pokupe Bosance, Srbe, Bugare, Arape i td. onda smo ratovali, ali smo isto tako ratovali i sa Austro-Ugarima, a realno ne zam koga su jos kupili ali od tih ratova se nismo nikad oporavili.
. Ko te je tu zavalio, Rusi ili Osmanlije .De ti nazad u 3-4 razred, pocni od Poznavanja Prirode i Drustva, istorija za 5-6ti osnovne ti ne ide bas najboljeLug wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:39a sto su se zadali..detroit-mercy wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:34Npr, ako mislis na to da Otomani povedu rat sa Rujama pa pokupe Bosance, Srbe, Bugare, Arape i td. onda smo ratovali, ali smo isto tako ratovali i sa Austro-Ugarima
To je sad zavala, a ti sto su isli sigurno nisu smatrali tako, znas kakav je statusni simbol bio u to doba onih koji su ratovali. Dobacivalo se i do dansle, poljske, prusile, gdje je god kesa bilo.detroit-mercy wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:40Je li to zbog Rusa ili sto si bio Osmanlijama topovsko mesoThe 51st State wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:37Zadnji rat ce nam biti sa bosancimadetroit-mercy wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:34
Npr, ako mislis na to da Otomani povedu rat sa Rujama pa pokupe Bosance, Srbe, Bugare, Arape i td. onda smo ratovali, ali smo isto tako ratovali i sa Austro-Ugarima
Onda su nam i Poljaci smrtni neprijatelji po toj logiciThe 51st State wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:41To je sad zavala, a ti sto su isli sigurno nisu smatrali tako, znas kakav je statusni simbol bio u to doba onih koji su ratovali. Dobacivalo se i do dansle, poljske, prusile, gdje je god kesa bilo.detroit-mercy wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:40Je li to zbog Rusa ili sto si bio Osmanlijama topovsko mesoThe 51st State wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:37
Zadnji rat ce nam biti sa bosancima
.Handris malo vijuge, ha? Rusi su nam smrtni neprijatelj zbog pozicije u 20 vijeku, a ne zbog tursko ruskih ratova.detroit-mercy wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:47Onda su nam i Poljaci smrtni neprijatelji po toj logiciThe 51st State wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:41To je sad zavala, a ti sto su isli sigurno nisu smatrali tako, znas kakav je statusni simbol bio u to doba onih koji su ratovali. Dobacivalo se i do dansle, poljske, prusile, gdje je god kesa bilo.detroit-mercy wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:40
Je li to zbog Rusa ili sto si bio Osmanlijama topovsko meso
pa sta kazu, koji je argument, dede ti nama to u kratkim crtama..
Pa priznase nas jos 92e godineThe 51st State wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:48Handris malo vijuge, ha? Rusi su nam smrtni neprijatelj zbog pozicije u 20 vijeku, a ne zbog tursko ruskih ratova.detroit-mercy wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:47Onda su nam i Poljaci smrtni neprijatelji po toj logiciThe 51st State wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:41
To je sad zavala, a ti sto su isli sigurno nisu smatrali tako, znas kakav je statusni simbol bio u to doba onih koji su ratovali. Dobacivalo se i do dansle, poljske, prusile, gdje je god kesa bilo.
. Kome su vise nastetili priznanjem .Idi ba blm ili sa ar15 pred kucu sta ti vec vise pasedetroit-mercy wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:59Pa priznase nas jos 92e godineThe 51st State wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:48Handris malo vijuge, ha? Rusi su nam smrtni neprijatelj zbog pozicije u 20 vijeku, a ne zbog tursko ruskih ratova.
Ne misli da branim poziciju Rusije u zadnjih 20-30godina glede politickih procesa u BiH, vec samo dovodim u pitanje to vijekovno neprijateljstvo koje se provlaci jer eto Osmanlije ratovale sa Rusima sto po automatizmu povlaci da su i nasi neprijateljiThe 51st State wrote: ↑30/06/2020 16:00Idi ba blm ili sa ar15 pred kucu sta ti vec vise pasedetroit-mercy wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:59Pa priznase nas jos 92e godineThe 51st State wrote: ↑30/06/2020 15:48
Handris malo vijuge, ha? Rusi su nam smrtni neprijatelj zbog pozicije u 20 vijeku, a ne zbog tursko ruskih ratova.
. i ko jos zna gdje sve. .The South Slavs are a subgroup of Slavic peoples who speak the South Slavic languages. They inhabit a contiguous region in the Balkan Peninsula and the eastern Alps, and in the modern era are geographically separated from the body of West Slavic and East Slavic people by the Romanians, Hungarians, and Austrians in between. The South Slavs today include the nations of Bosniaks, Bulgarians, Croats, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Serbs and Slovenes. They are the main population of the Eastern and Southeastern European countries of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Serbia and Slovenia.
Early South Slavs Edit
Main articles: Early Slavs and Sclaveni
The Proto-Slavic homeland is the area of Slavic settlement in Central and Eastern Europe during the first millennium AD, with its precise location debated by archaeologists, ethnographers and historians.[6] None of the proposed homelands reaches the Volga River in the east, over the Dinaric Alps in the southwest or the Balkan Mountains in the south, or past Bohemia in the west.[7] Traditionally, scholars put it in the marshes of Ukraine, or alternatively between the Bug and the Dnieper;[8] however, according to F. Curta, the homeland of the southern Slavs mentioned by 6th-century writers was just north of the Lower Danube.[9] Little is known about the Slavs before the 5th century, when they began to spread out in all directions.
Jordanes, Procopius and other late Roman authors provide the probable earliest references to southern Slavs in the second half of the 6th century.[10] Procopius described the Sclaveni and Antes as two barbarian peoples with the same institutions and customs since ancient times, not ruled by a single leader but living under democracy,[11] while Pseudo-Maurice called them a numerous people, undisciplined, unorganized and leaderless, who did not allow enslavement and conquest, and resistant to hardship, bearing all weathers.[12] They were portrayed by Procopius as unusually tall and strong, of dark skin and "reddish" hair (neither blond nor black), leading a primitive life and living in scattered huts, often changing their residence.[13] Procopius said they were henotheistic, believing in the god of lightning (Perun), the ruler of all, to whom they sacrificed cattle.[13] They went into battle on foot, charging straight at their enemy, armed with spears and small shields, but they did not wear armour.[13]
While archaeological evidence for a large-scale migration is lacking, most present-day historians claim that Slavs invaded and settled the Balkans in the 6th and 7th centuries.[14] According to this dominant narrative, up until the late 560s their main activity across the Danube was raiding, though with limited Slavic settlement mainly through Byzantine colonies of foederati.[15] The Danube and Sava frontier was overwhelmed by large-scale Slavic settlement in the late 6th and early 7th century.[16] What is today central Serbia was an important geo-strategical province, through which the Via Militaris crossed.[17] This area was frequently intruded upon by barbarians in the 5th and 6th centuries.[17] From the Danube, the Slavs commenced raiding the Byzantine Empire on an annual basis from the 520s, spreading destruction, taking loot and herds of cattle, seizing prisoners and taking fortresses. Often, the Byzantine Empire was stretched, defending its rich Asian provinces from Arabs, Persians and others. This meant that even numerically small, disorganised early Slavic raids were capable of causing much disruption, but could not capture the larger, fortified cities.[15] The first Slavic raid south of the Danube was recorded by Procopius, who mentions an attack of the Antes, "who dwell close to the Sclaveni", probably in 518.[18] Sclaveni are first mentioned in the context of the military policy on the Danube frontier of Byzantine Emperor Justinian I (r. 527–565).[19] Throughout the century, Slavs raided and plundered deep into the Balkans, from Dalmatia to Greece and Thrace, and were also at times recruited as mercenaries, fighting the Ostrogoths.[20] Justinian seems to have used the strategy of 'divide and conquer', and the Sclaveni and Antes are mentioned as fighting each other.[21] The Antes are last mentioned as anti-Byzantine belligerents in 545, and the Sclaveni continued to raid the Balkans.[22] In 558 the Avars arrived at the Black Sea steppe, and defeated the Antes between the Dnieper and Dniester.[23] The Avars subsequently allied themselves with the Sclaveni,[24] although there was an episode in which the Sclavene Daurentius (fl. 577–579), the first Slavic chieftain recorded by name, dismissed Avar suzerainty and retorted that "Others do not conquer our land, we conquer theirs [...] so it shall always be for us", and had the Avar envoys slain.[25] By the 580s, as the Slav communities on the Danube became larger and more organized, and as the Avars exerted their influence, raids became larger and resulted in permanent settlement. Most scholars consider the period of 581-584 as the beginning of large-scale Slavic settlement in the Balkans.[26] F. Curta points out that evidence of substantial Slavic presence does not appear before the 7th century and remains qualitatively different from the "Slavic culture" found north of the Danube.[27] In the mid-6th century, the Byzantines re-asserted their control of the Danube frontier, thereby reducing the economic value of Slavic raiding. This growing economic isolation, combined with external threats from the Avars and Byzantines, led to political and military mobilisation. Meanwhile, the itinerant form of agriculture (lacking crop rotation) may have encouraged micro-regional mobility. Seventh-century archaeological sites show earlier hamlet collections evolving into larger communities with differentiated zones for public feasts, craftmanship, etc.[28] It has been suggested that the Sclaveni were the ancestors of the Serbo-Croatian group while the Antes were that of the Bulgarian Slavs, with much mixture in the contact zones.[29] The diminished pre-Slavic inhabitants, also including also Romanized native peoples,[a] fled from the barbarian invasions and sought refuge inside fortified cities and islands, whilst others fled to remote mountains and forests and adopted a transhumant lifestyle.[30] The Romance speakers within the fortified Dalmatian city-states managed to retain their culture and language for a long time.[31] Meanwhile, the numerous Slavs mixed with and assimilated the descendants of the indigenous population.[32]
Subsequent information about Slavs' interaction with the Greeks and early Slavic states comes from the 10th-century De Administrando Imperio (DAI) by Emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus, the 7th-century compilations of the Miracles of Saint Demetrius (MSD) and the History by Theophylact Simocatta. DAI mentions the beginnings of the Croatian, Serbian and Bulgarian states from the early 7th to the mid-10th century. MSD and Theophylact Simocatta mention the Slavic tribes in Thessaly and Macedonia at the beginning of the 7th century. The 9th-century Royal Frankish Annals (RFA) also mention Slavic tribes in contact with the Franks.
Middle Ages Edit
By 700 AD, Slavs had settled in most of the Central and Southeast Europe, from Austria even down to the Peloponnese of Greece, and from the Adriatic to the Black Sea, with the exception of the coastal areas and certain mountainous regions of the Greek peninsula.[33] The Avars, who arrived in Europe in the late 550s and had a great impact in the Balkans, had from their base in the Carpathian plain, west of main Slavic settlements, asserted control over Slavic tribes with whom they besieged Roman cities. Their influence in the Balkans however diminished by the early 7th century and they were finally defeated and disappeared as a power at the turn of the 9th century by Bulgaria and the Frankish Empire.[34] The first South Slavic polity and regional power was Bulgaria, a state formed in 681 as a union between the much numerous Slavic tribes and the bulgars of Khan Asparuh. The scattered Slavs in Greece, the Sklavinia, were Hellenized.[35] Romance-speakers lived within the fortified Dalmatian city-states.[31] Traditional historiography, based on DAI, holds that the migration of Serbs and Croats to the Balkans was part of a second Slavic wave, placed during Heraclius' reign.[36]
Inhabiting the territory between the Franks in the north and Byzantium in the south, the Slavs were exposed to competing influences.[37] In 863 to Christianized Great Moravia were sent two Byzantine brothers monks Saints Cyril and Methodius, Slavs from Thessaloniki on missionary work. They created the Glagolitic script and the first Slavic written language, Old Church Slavonic, which they used to translate Biblical works. At the time, the West and South Slavs still spoke a similar language. The script used, Glagolitic, was capable of representing all Slavic sounds, however, it was gradually replaced in Bulgaria in the 9th century, in Russia by the 11th century[38] Glagolitic survived into the 16th century in Croatia, used by Benedictines and Franciscans, but lost importance during the Counter-Reformation when Latin replaced it on the Dalmatian coast.[39] Cyril and Methodius' disciples found refuge in already Christian Bulgaria, where the Old Church Slavonic became the ecclesiastical language.[39] Early Cyrillic alphabet was developed during the 9th century AD at the Preslav Literary School in Bulgaria.[40][41][42] The earliest Slavic literary works were composed in Bulgaria, Duklja and Dalmatia. The religious works were almost exclusively translations, from Latin (Croatia, Slovenia) and especially Greek (Bulgaria, Serbia).[39] In the 10th and 11th centuries the Old Church Slavonic leaded to the creation of various regional forms like Serbo-Croatian and Slovenian[39] Economic, religious and political centres of Ohrid and Plovdiv contributed to the important literary production in the Bulgarian Empire.[43] The Bogomil sect, derived from Manichaeism, was deemed heretical, but managed to spread from Bulgaria to Bosnia (where it gained a foothold).[44] and France (Cathars).
Carinthia came under Germanic rule in the 10th century and came permanently under Western (Roman) Christian sphere of influence.[45] What is today Croatia came under Eastern Roman (Byzantine) rule after the Barbarian age, and while most of the territory was Slavicized, a handful of fortified towns, with mixed population, remained under Byzantine authority and continued to use Latin.[45] Dalmatia, now applied to the narrow strip with Byzantine towns, came under the Patriarchate of Constantinople, while the Croatian state remained pagan until Christianization during the reign of Charlemagne, after which religious allegiance was to Rome.[45] Croats threw off Frankish rule in the 9th century, and took over the Byzantine Dalmatian towns, after which Hungarian conquest led to Hungarian suzerainty, although retaining an army and institutions.[46] Croatia lost much of Dalmatia to the Republic of Venice which held it until the 18th century.[47] Hungary governed Croatia through a duke, and the coastal towns through a ban.[47] A feudal class emerged in the Croatian hinterland in the late 13th century, among whom were the Kurjaković, Kačić and most notably the Šubić.[48] Dalmatian fortified towns meanwhile maintained autonomy, with a Roman patrician class and Slavic lower class, first under Hungary and then Venice after centuries of struggle.[49]
Ibn al-Faqih described two kinds of South Slavic people, the first of swarthy complexion and dark hair, living near the Adriatic coast, and the other as light, living in the hinterland.[citation needed]
...a ti da naucis citati sa razumijevanjem.MorningStar wrote: ↑30/06/2020 19:09Mozda da naucis citati ?
“ OTvorite si temu o porijeklu naroda sa ovih prostora”
Onu ste zagadili pa mi bilo mrsko brisati sve.
