Sirija vol. 2

[fosna2014]

Mjesto Tadef koje se nalazi na jugu Al Baba, navodno potpuno prazno. Postavlja se pitanje: Ko ce uci prvi?

[Maystor]

ISIL se kompletno povukao iz al-Baba, Kabasina i Baze. Mnogi izvori prenose da je pao dogovor izmedju Turske i ISILa. Povukli su se potpuno mirno, bez dejstva avijacije ili artiljerije po konvojima.

Takticki dobro isplanirano, udaraj po gradu nemilosrdno, ali ostavi koridor za povlacenje.

Zli jezici kazu da se ISIL uvijek bori do smrti, osim kad Turci napadaju.

Što, opet, ne spriječava sirijsku i rusku avijaciju da uništi isil u povlačenju. Tigrove snage su par stotina metara od al-Baba. Zašto su pustili orke da nesmetano izađu???

[_BataZiv_0809]

ISIL se kompletno povukao iz al-Baba, Kabasina i Baze. Mnogi izvori prenose da je pao dogovor izmedju Turske i ISILa. Povukli su se potpuno mirno, bez dejstva avijacije ili artiljerije po konvojima.

Takticki dobro isplanirano, udaraj po gradu nemilosrdno, ali ostavi koridor za povlacenje.

Zli jezici kazu da se ISIL uvijek bori do smrti, osim kad Turci napadaju.

Što, opet, ne spriječava sirijsku i rusku avijaciju da uništi isil u povlačenju. Tigrove snage su par stotina metara od al-Baba. Zašto su pustili orke da nesmetano izađu???

Farbaju autobuse

[salik79]

Asadov ministar za pomirenje Ali Hajder: Izvjestan je sukob sa Turskom

Sta na ovo veli Erdoganov ministar za pomirenje?

[Krokodajl]

Moze li neko od vas da objasni precizno ko je ova grupa Ahrar Sham, koliko imaju boraca? Ako sam dobro upratio, najvise uspjeha imaju akcije tamo gdje su oni prisutni. Hvala

Sta je to, masa strucnjaka ali niko ne zna da odgovori na ovo pitanje. Valja pronaci neko mjesto gdje ljudi izvuku ponesto iz svoje glave, ne samo prepisivanje sa drugim portala, agencija i sta ja znam

Ne znaju ni oni u Ahrar al Šamu odgovor na to pitanje.

[jao_situacije]

Moze li neko od vas da objasni precizno ko je ova grupa Ahrar Sham, koliko imaju boraca? Ako sam dobro upratio, najvise uspjeha imaju akcije tamo gdje su oni prisutni. Hvala

Sta je to, masa strucnjaka ali niko ne zna da odgovori na ovo pitanje. Valja pronaci neko mjesto gdje ljudi izvuku ponesto iz svoje glave, ne samo prepisivanje sa drugim portala, agencija i sta ja znam

Ne znaju ni oni u Ahrar al Šamu odgovor na to pitanje.

oni koji znaju se ne javljaju na forumima

[Krokodajl]

Nego, zapeli oko ovog Al Baba, šta je to za jedan Al Tal, 700 000 vs. 130 000 + čitava okolina = 300 000, ni pola Al Tala, SAA u jednom danu to uzme

[dragma]

Moze li neko od vas da objasni precizno ko je ova grupa Ahrar Sham, koliko imaju boraca? Ako sam dobro upratio, najvise uspjeha imaju akcije tamo gdje su oni prisutni. Hvala

Sta je to, masa strucnjaka ali niko ne zna da odgovori na ovo pitanje. Valja pronaci neko mjesto gdje ljudi izvuku ponesto iz svoje glave, ne samo prepisivanje sa drugim portala, agencija i sta ja znam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahrar_al-Sham

http://web.stanford.edu/group/mappingmi ... s/view/523

[animus]

Principjelnost ruske politike smo vidjeli i danas na sjednici PIKa. Pokazali ponovo svoje lice a pojedinci ce i dalje da smisljaju kako je to slobodarski narod koji se bori za pravdu. Procitani ste davno. Cetnicka politika je fasisticka politika.
Vezano za al bab mogu reci da je steta sto su ga uzeli ovi nesposobnjakovici iz fsa. Svi babuni izasli iz grada. Umjesto da ih okruze i da pobiju po kratkom postupku zlocinacku gamad oni im cijelo vrijeme drze otvoren koridor. Pa samo zbog spaljivanja one dvojice zarobljenika-turskih vojnika ja bi im jebao mamu da nikad ne zaborave. A da ne spominjem sada druge monstrumske zlocine. Samo mi je zao sto im tigar nije upao tamo, siguran sam da nebi imao milosti.

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Neprovjereno...
Džarablus: Saudijski vojnici, Pešmerge, i pakistanski vojnici na granici čekaju na ulazak u Siriju.

[Krokodajl]

Principjelnost ruske politike smo vidjeli i danas na sjednici PIKa. Pokazali ponovo svoje lice a pojedinci ce i dalje da smisljaju kako je to slobodarski narod koji se bori za pravdu. Procitani ste davno. Cetnicka politika je fasisticka politika.
Vezano za al bab mogu reci da je steta sto su ga uzeli ovi nesposobnjakovici iz fsa. Svi babuni izasli iz grada. Umjesto da ih okruze i da pobiju po kratkom postupku zlocinacku gamad oni im cijelo vrijeme drze otvoren koridor. Pa samo zbog spaljivanja one dvojice zarobljenika-turskih vojnika ja bi im jebao mamu da nikad ne zaborave. A da ne spominjem sada druge monstrumske zlocine. Samo mi je zao sto im tigar nije upao tamo, siguran sam da nebi imao milosti.

Ali bi i civilne žrtve bile ogromne, vidjeli smo na primjeru Manbidža, i dobro je što se ovako završilo, ovi ISIL-ovci će svoje odsvirati negdje na pustinjama Tabke, Rake, Palmire, Zora, negdje na otvorenom, dobro je da se nije ušlo u ozbiljniji obračun sa ISIL-om u samom gradu, jer ipak govorimo o hiljadama civila, osim toga da je Tigar ušao, on za razliku od FSA-ovaca ne bi pobjegao nakon prve detonacije već bi se za svaku zgradu grčevito borili, grad ionako bolje ne bi prošaop a gore i ne može, ali ako ništa civili su pošteđeni.
Postoji informacija da su koristili živi štit da se dočepaju Tadefa, u Manbidžu smo vidjeli kako oni znaju biti očajni i kako se znaju koristiti civilima, nije im data ponovno prilika, hvala Bogu da se završilo, sad dalje, do posljednje stope

[Truba]

ISIL se kompletno povukao iz al-Baba, Kabasina i Baze. Mnogi izvori prenose da je pao dogovor izmedju Turske i ISILa. Povukli su se potpuno mirno, bez dejstva avijacije ili artiljerije po konvojima.

Takticki dobro isplanirano, udaraj po gradu nemilosrdno, ali ostavi koridor za povlacenje.

Zli jezici kazu da se ISIL uvijek bori do smrti, osim kad Turci napadaju.

Što, opet, ne spriječava sirijsku i rusku avijaciju da uništi isil u povlačenju. Tigrove snage su par stotina metara od al-Baba. Zašto su pustili orke da nesmetano izađu???

ajmo objektivno

koliko treba avijaciji da bude na licu mjesta otkako neki prasinar prijavi nadredjenima da je vidjena kolona od lupam 100 vozila
i koliko tim vozilima treba da odu i rasprse se po dolasku

cisto matematički
trebaju nam podaci udaljenoisti piste, ako nesto nije bilo u blizini da odmah roka...
brzina aviona polijetanje
trazenje
koliko stete moze jedan avion napraviti toj koloni
koliko aviona treba poletjeti da bi ih totalka uništilo
itd

[Kikibombona]

Adel Murad, jedan od lidera PUKa, stranke koja ima odlicne odnose sa Amerikom, poziva McGurka da istrazi desavanja u al-Babu!

Adel Murad‏@AdelMuradPUKCC 3h3 hours ago
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Mr @brett_mcgurk, will there be an investigation on to why ISIS suddenly retreated from Al-Bab? The turkish backed FSA were losing this war

Povlacenje ISILa je zdravorazumsko i logicno. To bi uradio svako normalan, jer je od pocetka bilo izvjesno da ce grad kad-tad pasti. Problem je sto njihovo djelovanje nije logicno i sto se obicno bore do smrti. Ovo je prvi put da su se povukli iz jednog veceg grada. Turcima su trebala dva mjeseca da uzmu jednu zgradu, bjezali iz Kabasina i Baze xy puta, a onda odjednom, preko noci, ISIL se povuce iz grada, nakon silne borbe. Kontrolisali su 70% grada, Turci su uzeli tek nesto perifernih dijelova, ne tako zbijenih i zgrada nacickanih. I povukose se iz Baba, Kabasina, Baza i Tadefa. Svakako treba porvojeriti. Ne tvrdim nista, moguce da su im potrebne snage kako bi pojacali odbranu Rake. Sigurno jesu. Ipak, prvi put se povlace...

SDF je negirao pisanja dzihadista da je Dzon Mekejn prilikom posjete Kobaniju vrsio pritisak da se Turcima otvori koridor za pristup Raki. Porucili su da nema nikakve sanse da ce to dopustiti.

[Maystor]

Wladimir je ubijeđen da su Afrin i Manbij sljedeće mete Erdoganovih džihadista

Turkish forces capture al-Bab after killing over 444 civilians, prepare to attack Kurdish headquarters

http://aranews.net/2017/02/turkish-forc ... dquarters/

[fosna2014]

[japin_mutapi]

nema sumnje da su turci ostavili prolaz isilu u dogovoru sa rusima

[salik79]

Jedan od razloga zasto se Palestinci u Siriji onako zestoko bore protiv cio-vehabitske "revolucije":
WATCH| Matytr Sheihk Ahmad Yassin, “Syria has always defended Palestinian Resistance against Zionists,”

http://www.islamicinvitationturkey.com/ ... -zionists/

[Challenger__]

teroristi iz libije su turskim brodovima prebačeni u siriju

Brodovima i avionima, u Tursku pa u Siriju:

zracna luka u Hataju (Turska)-dozivjela je pravi procvat s pocetkom ustanka-stari prilog s pocetka revolucije (na engleskom)...internacionalne brigade ustanika (Libija, Mauritanija, z. Evropa, saudija) na putu za sveti Sham...

Pa su onda počeli ubacivati ustanike u Aman, pa iz Amana u Deru, gdje je pukla prva (libijska, mauritanska?) ustanička puška. Pa onda preko sjevera Libana (libanonski Tripoli), pa preko Iraka, pa franšize AQ iz Iraka... Upadalo se sa svih strana.


Tako je počela "revolucija"...

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Kontrarevolucija (cinici je zovu borbom za oslobođenje Sirije) je krenula obrnutim redom: prvo zatvaranje vanjskog prstena oko Damaska, pa Kusair (zatvaranje libanskog pravca), pa zatvaranje jordanske štrase, pa turske...

[japin_mutapi]

svi znaju da je isil prasadov i ruski proizvod
diktator iz damaska ih je obucavao i slao u irak, sada ih opet koristi protiv irana, turske i rojave, kako se ne bi povezali i napravili gasovod

rusiji to odgovara jer onda oni prodaju plin evropi i zajebaju njemacku

vinterizkaming

[Challenger__]

Jašta Japine: ruski ISIL, saudijski Hezbollah, ruska iranska revolucionarna garda, emiratska Rusija, muslimanska elita iz Kaira i Damaska.

Svi su oni krivi samo je Hankara nevina.

[Challenger__]

Nisam detaljno pratio u posljednje vrijeme, ali dijelim mišljenje koje je iznio Elijah Magnier. On tvrdi da je Erdogan ponovo promijenio stranu i da je prešao u vehabijsko-cionistički tabor. Trump se pozicionirao uz saudijsku arabiju i izrael, agresivno protiv Irana, a Erdogan se pridružio vehabo-cionističkoj ekipi (po ko zna koji put).

Da, tako kaže: Ankara se ponovo krije iza antiranske saudisjke retorike i prosaudijskih gafova nove američke adminstracije. Isto tako kaže da je američka pozcija u odnosu na Siriju trenutno nedorečena, ali da su najavljene aktivnosti USA i satelita u Siriji "doomed", odnosno osuđene na propast, a isto to tvrdi za "nerealne i nesprovodive" turske (deklarativne) ambicije.

Dakle, Vašington i Ankara "doomed", ali to znači da su i ženevski pregovori osuđeni na propast, te da se na horizontu naslućuje nastavak rata i još veći angažman RF, zemlje koja nedvosmisleno stoji iza ideje cjelovite Sirije, koja oponira ideji njene podjele.

Uostalom, evo teksta u cjelini:

Geneva talks doomed: Turkey’s changing position in Syria is pushing Russia into more aggression

The US- Russia relationship over Syria will be blown apart and pushed into opposition
Erdogan is hiding behind Saudi Arabia and mimics US hostility toward Iran
The Sukhoi return is expected more aggressive than ever

After the collapse of 9 months of peace negotiations, Geneva hosts today a meeting about Syria amid differences between the main regional influential players and an unclear US stance, which will inevitably be reflected in the results of the talks. The main player, Turkey, with troops on the ground in northern Syria, is constantly changing position and plans, creating not only confusion but renewing hostility in the country: a warning of the pessimistic outcome to come.

The US stand:

President Donald Trump’s foreign policy is still unclear, and towards Syria in particular. The US administration has expressed its will to fight terrorism, but mentions only the “Islamic State” (ISIS) group in Syria, disregarding al-Qaida who are represented by “Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (ex-Nusra). Moreover, Trump is expressing his wish to form “safe zones” in the north, asking the Gulf countries to pay for these “zones”. He is also sending military equipment and special forces support for training and guidance to the Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG). His aim is to push the Kurds, working alongside and leading the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), towards the ISIS Syrian capital in north-east Syria: Raqqah. Nevertheless, the US plan is unclear and doomed for several reasons:


1. Declaring “war on terrorism” can’t be limited to ISIS. Al-Qaida is well-established and announced its presence in all the Syrian fronts with two-thirds of the forces on each front. The group is against democracy or any election run by the UN or any other establishment. It is also against any peace talks and has already attacked and split the Syrian rebels, leaving these no choice but to join its ranks or join Ahrar al-Sham, the second biggest rebel groups in Syria.
2. The US can’t combine support for the YPG and the Turkish forces and an interest in Syria at the same time, especially in relation to the forthcoming attack against Raqqah. Turkey considers the YPG to be a Syrian affiliation of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), this organisation (not the YPG) is on the US “terrorist list” and is considered terrorist by Turkey as well. The PKK is waging a ruthless military campaign against Ankara, claiming the right to a Kurdish autonomous state within Turkey.
3. The US plan to “liberate” Raqqah with 10.000 or 20.000 Kurds and Arabs is not a feasible plan. In Mosul, Iraq is pushing forces between 50.000 to 60.000 strong, supported by Iraqi and coalition helicopters and jets to retake Mosul. The battle for Mosul is far from being a piece of cake, any more than for Raqqah, even if that Syrian ISIS city is much smaller than the Iraqi one and holds less than half a million civilians.
4. The US is promoting “safe zones” for immigrants to stay in Syria and refrain from travelling to Europe or the US. Actually, there is no need for a safe zone or zones because the number of displaced Syrians is no longer increasing and quite static at the moment, following the battle of Aleppo. Any safe zone is considered to be part of an American plot to occupy the north-east of Syria and to establish military bases in the country. Such a step will be faced with a harsh response from Damascus and its allies who would be more than happy to revive the 1983 Beirut barracks and attack the American forces, similar to the 2003-2011 Iraq occupation.

Turkey:

Several months ago, the key for the success of any political talks in Syria was the Turkish involvement, due to Ankara’s influence over rebels and jihadists. This is what pushed Iran and Russia to restore their relationship with Ankara and bring it into the Asatan (Kazakhstan) negotiation. Nevertheless, Turkey was unable to bring to the table one of the biggest rebel groups in northern Syria, Ahrar al-Sham.

Following the coup of al-Qaida against groups who participated in the Astana talks, the rebels are more divided than ever, afraid of any move that could increase their partition and make them easy to overwhelm by the Syrian Army and its allies. Nevertheless, Turkey continues its attack on al-Bab (the ISIS stronghold), unable to get a quick victory. But Turkey is changing position and turning its political guns against yesterday’s allies. Ankara understands today that Trump is aggressive toward Iran and gave his blessing to Saudi Arabia. Therefore Erdogan is taking a new position: hiding behind Saudi Arabia, mimicking the US hostility towards Iran and, in consequences, declaring himself once more against the Syrian President Bashar Assad.


1. Turkey has harshly attacked Iran, considering it to be the source of terrorism in the region. This shows a real u-turn in Turkish policy that will definitely be reflected in the situation on the ground in Syria. In fact, Damascus and Iran, along with their allies, are pushing forces to counter al-Bab and prevent any expansion of territory of the Turkish forces toward Raqqah.
2. Turkey is applauding the US plan of “safe zone(s)” only to offer its forces inside the US Trojan horse. This upsets Russia and Damascus, confirming that Turkey is no longer a partner, is disrespectful of the previous commitment to keep Syrian away from partition. Establishing safe zone(s) can only lead to dividing Syria and disrupting the Russian plan to establish itself in a stable united country. Such a move will have serious practical repercussions on the advance of the Turkish forces and their allies in Syria.
3. The Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan declared that his forces “will liberate the Syrian town of Manbij”, already liberated from ISIS by the US-backed SDF and YPG Kurdish forces last year. Erdogan’s verbal intention is considered “a pipe dream” by the Syrian government and Russia. Russia considers the Syrian Kurds as potential allies and Damascus is certain that, once the war is over, it will be possible to reach a win-win deal with the Syrian Kurds, keeping the country safe from partition. Damascus will not only oppose Turkey in this manoeuvre, but is ready to fight back any force advancing towards its army in the north of Syria, particularly the Turkish forces and their proxies at this moment since, as we have seen, Turkey is shifting its policy, veering towards the unknown.
4. Turkey offered to the US to go to Raqqah: such a plan is far from being possible. The distance between al-Bab and Raqqah is over 200km, and the territory is controlled by the Syrian Army, ISIS and the Kurds (who are considered by Ankara to be terrorists). The performance of the Turkish forces and their proxies in al-Bab is far from being encouraging. Therefore, the Turkish offer to go to Raqqah is unrealistic and unrealisable.

Syria:

The Syrian Army and its allies considered the Astana talks premature but went along with Russia, believing it was possible top reach a global cease-fire and split al-Qaida from other rebels who will join the peace talks. Turkey was unable to bring Ahrar al-Sham around the negotiation table and al-Qaida turned the tables on everybody, forcing a return to the combat.

The Syrian Army is moving today on several fronts:

. from al-Bab toward deir-Hafer, to create a demarcation line with Turkey and its proxies and cutting the road towards Raqqah, preventing Turkey and its proxies from occupying further land in northern Syria;

. Palmyra (Tadmur) to regain control of the ancient city and push toward Deir-ezzour and Raqqah from the east. Again, the aim is to prevent any force from reducing the geographic seize of Syria as its is known today;

. Gathering forces on the rural Aleppo fronts to enlarge the control of its forces toward tel el-Eiss and Fua/Kefraya and move toward Idlib, the al-Qaida stronghold.

All this indicates that Russia will find itself engaged in a broad combat before forcing the rebels to sit at the negotiation table and shift Turkey out of its unrealistic “multi-front dream”. Turkey is showing that it is not an adequate partner for Russia and Damascus. It is unstable in its strategy in Syria and its shifting alliances make it untrustworthy in the eyes of Damascus and Moscow. Therefore, a more aggressive Syrian Army will be seen in the coming months on several fronts with the return of the Sukhoi more active than ever. Russia is waiting to see how Trump’s policy materialises in Syria. The Kremlin is refraining from being the initiator of further hostilities so as to avoid a rapid US blow back.

The US policy in Syria seems frantic and far-fetched without efficient powerful allies on the ground, and is unable to retake cities from ISIS with its Kurdish proxies alone. And the “honeymoon” between Washington and Riyadh will certainly have a substantial negative effect on the war in Syria. This will increase the closeness between Russia and Iran, but the tension between US and Russia is also expected to increase: one side (the US) wants partition and the other (Russia) wants a unified Syria without al-Qaida and ISIS, and without Turkey occupying the north of Syria and a Saudi Arabia return to the Bilad al-Sham. At this stage, it is difficult to speculate on what this clash of incompatible objectives will produce on the ground in Syria.

E. Magnier

[japin_mutapi]

turska i rojava ce zajednickim snagama unistiti isil, a posle se ide na detronizaciju prasada i stvaranje demokratske slobodne sirije

[fosna2014]

Desetine mrtvih nakon autobombe u okolici Al Baba.

UPDATE: Za sad 45 ubijenih.

[fosna2014]

Heavy #Syrian airstrikes continue in #Daraa - unverifiable reports that #SAA will soon launch a counter offensive against #rebel positions.