Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
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#626 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
Ovo nece na dobro izac . Ako EU nastavi pomagati Grckoj znaci da nemaju rjesenja za ove probleme a Grci ce naravno nastaviti po svome. Sve u svemu dobar primjer za ove siromasnije clanice a dobar primjer i za bogatije . Ako ne nadju rjesenje znaci da je EU na klimavim nogama.Daj boze da razlaz ne bude krvav.
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#627 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
Island ima vlastitu valutu. Povlačiti paralele s Islandom je debilno. Grčka može pokušati Island-style oporavak tek nakon napuštanja eura.
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#628 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
A dobili kredit od MMF-a? Ko im je tačno postavio uslov da banke ne smiju propasti?_BataZiv_0809 wrote:Pustio banke da bankrotiraju.agnostic_front wrote:
Šta Island nije poslušao? Da bi dobio kredit od MMF-a, morao je uvesti mjere štednje, samo što su oni to ispoštovali. Ili vam je možda neko rekao da Island nije uzimao kredit od MMF-a?
I Island treba tek da skine kontrolu kapitala, pa ćemo vidjeti kako će to ispasti.
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#629 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
http://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreen ... ess-story/agnostic_front wrote:
A dobili kredit od MMF-a? Ko im je tačno postavio uslov da banke ne smiju propasti?
Procitaj, da ne zachatavamo, jer Island nije tema.
On topic: Evropa priprema novu ponudu za Grcku , poker se nastavlja
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#630 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
sad bi grci trebali povuc svoj prijedlog koji nije prihvacen i vratiti se na stari koji je jos manje za banke eu prihvatljiv.
ucerat ga do kraja.
lihvari moraju pomoc .grci ih za jaja drze. to pokazuje reakcija svjetskih berzi.
evo sanse da grci sjebu neokapitalizam,da pokazu i drugima da kako dalje.
ucerat ga do kraja.
lihvari moraju pomoc .grci ih za jaja drze. to pokazuje reakcija svjetskih berzi.
evo sanse da grci sjebu neokapitalizam,da pokazu i drugima da kako dalje.
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#631 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
sportman1 wrote:sad bi grci trebali povuc svoj prijedlog koji nije prihvacen i vratiti se na stari koji je jos manje za banke eu prihvatljiv.
ucerat ga do kraja.
lihvari moraju pomoc .grci ih za jaja drze. to pokazuje reakcija svjetskih berzi.
evo sanse da grci sjebu neokapitalizam,da pokazu i drugima da kako dalje.
Dalje je rat.
Vrlo moguće
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#633 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
Koncentracija gluposti na ovoj temi je too damn high. 
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#634 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
EU i MMF mislili zaraditi na Grcima, koji su, inace, lijeni k'o cuskije.
I onda im utrpali kamaru nekakvih kredita, koje su grci uredno opuhali, onako usput, ali su pri tome i stosta napravili poput km i km autoputeva.
E sad, kako grcka ekonomija nije dovoljno jaka da iznese tolike rate, a koje su, inace, skocile na preko 100% vise nego je planirano, sad se svi u lancu hvataju za vugla
Pogotovo lihvarska EU/MMF
I onda im utrpali kamaru nekakvih kredita, koje su grci uredno opuhali, onako usput, ali su pri tome i stosta napravili poput km i km autoputeva.
E sad, kako grcka ekonomija nije dovoljno jaka da iznese tolike rate, a koje su, inace, skocile na preko 100% vise nego je planirano, sad se svi u lancu hvataju za vugla
Pogotovo lihvarska EU/MMF
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#635 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
al ce sjebat partizani ove velike igrace.Dug Grčke trenutno se kreće oko 320 milijardi eura, donosno 175 posto BDP-a, a njen bankrot najviše će osjetiti manje zemlje koje su članice eurozone.U apsolutnom iznosu, pojedinačno najveći vjerovnici su Njemačka i Francuska. No, s obzirom na veličinu ekonomije, najveći udarac primit će male ekonomije poput Slovenije ili Malte.
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#636 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
Ne. Nisam ljubitelj pokerasa u zivotu. Vidi se da je ovo odigran potez, dok se Evropa ponovo sprema da izadje sa novom ponudom.sumirprimus wrote:bato, sta hos da kazes, da cipras radi dobar posao?
i ko je kriv grcima,zapad i banke ili sami sebi?
Smisao mojih postova je da nije bas sve crno-bijelo.
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#637 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
nesto cisto sumnjam,da ce veliki brat poslat poruku,slobodno ne placajte obaveze dok je nas bekana._BataZiv_0809 wrote:Ne. Nisam ljubitelj pokerasa u zivotu. Vidi se da je ovo odigran potez, dok se Evropa ponovo sprema da izadje sa novom ponudom.sumirprimus wrote:bato, sta hos da kazes, da cipras radi dobar posao?
i ko je kriv grcima,zapad i banke ili sami sebi?
Smisao mojih postova je da nije bas sve crno-bijelo.
to nije crno bijelo,to je brale bezdan sa ed herisom u glanvoj ulozi.
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#638 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
Naivno je i pomisliti da Grčka sama trola lihvarske razbojnike. Cipras je samo frontmen.sumirprimus wrote:al ce sjebat partizani ove velike igrace.
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#639 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
Naivno je i pomisliti da Grčka sama trola lihvarske razbojnike. Cipras je samo frontmen.sumirprimus wrote:al ce sjebat partizani ove velike igrace.
Veliki brat je tetkica.sumirprimus wrote:nesto cisto sumnjam,da ce veliki brat poslat poruku,slobodno ne placajte obaveze dok je nas bekana.
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#640 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
ma ja ba vladimir vladimirovicChallenger__ wrote:Naivno je i pomisliti da Grčka sama trola lihvarske razbojnike. Cipras je samo frontmen.sumirprimus wrote:al ce sjebat partizani ove velike igrace.
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#641 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
Ma jok. To oni sami, onako ofrlje.sumirprimus wrote:ma ja ba vladimir vladimirovic
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#642 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
ah a dobro,naci nece placat tetkicama dug?Challenger__ wrote:Naivno je i pomisliti da Grčka sama trola lihvarske razbojnike. Cipras je samo frontmen.sumirprimus wrote:al ce sjebat partizani ove velike igrace.
Veliki brat je tetkica.sumirprimus wrote:nesto cisto sumnjam,da ce veliki brat poslat poruku,slobodno ne placajte obaveze dok je nas bekana.
umri muski,brus vilis?
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#643 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
odna je bolje 5 kolonu izbacit,kolka god da je stetaChallenger__ wrote:Ma jok. To oni sami, onako ofrlje.sumirprimus wrote:ma ja ba vladimir vladimirovic
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#644 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
Mislim da predstavnici MMF-a, EU, i Vlade Grcke trebaju se registrovati na ovaj forum i zajedno s ostalim strucnjacima sa Klixa pronaci optimalno rjesenje za krizu u Grckoj.
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#645 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
Što bi umrli? Taman posla. Tetkice Boga mole da i drugi ne krenu ovom stazom.sumirprimus wrote:ah a dobro,naci nece placat tetkicama dug?
umri muski,brus vilis?
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#646 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
Samo mora se priznati da su dobro povukli ovaj potez.
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#647 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
Mi hombre!_BataZiv_0809 wrote:Ekvador vratio dug MMF-u. Sta cemo tu naci kao opravdanje. Jes da su ih uzeli njihovim oruzjem
"Izvještaji američkih medija su, naime, izazvali paniku među kreditorima i vrijednost ekvadorskih obveznica na otvorenom tržištu je pala na samo 20 posto od nominalne vrijednosti! A Correa je samo to i čekao, te je njegova vlada počela u tajnosti kupovati ekvadorske obveznice. Za samo godinu Ekvador je otkupio za 600 miliona dolara sve svoje obveznice, odnosno cjelokupni dug zemlje od četiri milijarde dolara glavnice i čak sedam milijardi dolara kamata!"
http://hr.biznis-plus.com/node/3534/Ekv ... 8Dke-krize

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#649 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
A ove lafčine što su zavalile do jaja ovim lopovima sve faca do face, muda do muda. Od Rafaela do Aleksisa. A ona bankarska bagra, sve akrep do akrepa. Ne zna se ko je ružniji i odvratniji: ženturače ili muškarci._BataZiv_0809 wrote:Rafael Korea
Neka im džehennem i šejtan lično vraćaju pare.
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#650 Re: Tsipras učinio više u tri dana, nego Bih u dvadeset godina
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dimitrios ... 82982.html
Lately we see, artfully cultivated from various circles, a climate in Greece in favor of returning to the drachma. There's an orchestrated propaganda push to influence public opinion by profit motivated business centers with selfish purposes, which exploit the resentment of the people after six years of recession and the absence of a clear exit plan for the crisis.
That climate is also supported by the fact that a significant portion of executives of the two coalition parties openly support the return to the drachma and against any form of reform moving in the opposite direction.
Although the majority of the people remain consistently positive about the European orientation of the country and would like to have the euro as currency, the percentage of people stating to be indifferent to a possible transition to the drachma and believing that it will not change their standard of living, has increased. However, by analyzing all the financial data of such a development, we conclude that the effects will be very hard and painful.
Namely, the consequences of return to the drachma would be:
Rapid devaluation of the drachma against other currencies (the rate might surpass 1,000 ΔΡΧ/1€). An attempt to tie the drachma to the euro and lock the conversion rate is doomed to fail (as it failed in the case of Argentina), because of the huge capital flight and depletion of foreign exchange reserves.
The devaluation will lead to skyrocketing inflation at levels equal and greater than 40 percent, further limiting thereby the purchasing power of citizens.
Capital flight and a sharp increase in non-performing loans will be the coup de grace for the weak country's financial system, which would collapse, "drying" the real economy.
In such an eventuality the wage and pension freeze payment will be inevitable for a while until the partial restoration of liquidity. The consequences from social unrest that will likely follow are unpredictable.
Gross domestic product will likely shrink to about 2/3 of the current level.
The public debt of Greece, totaling 322 billion euros, will increase automatically depending on the amount of the depreciation of the drachma, multiplying our borrowings.
Even if, after bankruptcy, a partial debt restructuring follows, it will not be painless. It will be accompanied by a new rescue package (only from the IMF now) and very burdensome fiscal adjustment measures.
There will be an equal increase of private debt through the skyrocketing of lending and depositing rates in an effort to control inflation. Higher interest rates will also make it difficult for businesses to raise capital.
Suffocation of import business due to a weakened market, the devaluation of the drachma and the obvious lack of credit.
Failure of imports will bring shortage of essential items on the market since, as we know, Greece is not self-sufficient in raw materials and meets its needs (eg. wheat, milk, meat) by imports from foreign countries.
Invasion of predatory foreign investors, who will acquire companies, property, and public property at derisory prices. It will lead to a sellout of the country, now claimed by the proponents of the drachma.
Diplomatic and economic isolation of Greece, who, being in a very difficult situation, will not be able to follow geopolitical developments in the region, as well as any challenges by its neighbors.
It's clear that we should not base our hopes on futile and dangerous solutions, such as returning to the drachma. Let us draw up a long-term plan for the next day, that will turn Greece into a modern, well-governed European country with a strong economy and liberated from the chronic pathologies that pester it.
This post originally appeared on HuffPost Greece and was translated into English.
Lately we see, artfully cultivated from various circles, a climate in Greece in favor of returning to the drachma. There's an orchestrated propaganda push to influence public opinion by profit motivated business centers with selfish purposes, which exploit the resentment of the people after six years of recession and the absence of a clear exit plan for the crisis.
That climate is also supported by the fact that a significant portion of executives of the two coalition parties openly support the return to the drachma and against any form of reform moving in the opposite direction.
Although the majority of the people remain consistently positive about the European orientation of the country and would like to have the euro as currency, the percentage of people stating to be indifferent to a possible transition to the drachma and believing that it will not change their standard of living, has increased. However, by analyzing all the financial data of such a development, we conclude that the effects will be very hard and painful.
Namely, the consequences of return to the drachma would be:
Rapid devaluation of the drachma against other currencies (the rate might surpass 1,000 ΔΡΧ/1€). An attempt to tie the drachma to the euro and lock the conversion rate is doomed to fail (as it failed in the case of Argentina), because of the huge capital flight and depletion of foreign exchange reserves.
The devaluation will lead to skyrocketing inflation at levels equal and greater than 40 percent, further limiting thereby the purchasing power of citizens.
Capital flight and a sharp increase in non-performing loans will be the coup de grace for the weak country's financial system, which would collapse, "drying" the real economy.
In such an eventuality the wage and pension freeze payment will be inevitable for a while until the partial restoration of liquidity. The consequences from social unrest that will likely follow are unpredictable.
Gross domestic product will likely shrink to about 2/3 of the current level.
The public debt of Greece, totaling 322 billion euros, will increase automatically depending on the amount of the depreciation of the drachma, multiplying our borrowings.
Even if, after bankruptcy, a partial debt restructuring follows, it will not be painless. It will be accompanied by a new rescue package (only from the IMF now) and very burdensome fiscal adjustment measures.
There will be an equal increase of private debt through the skyrocketing of lending and depositing rates in an effort to control inflation. Higher interest rates will also make it difficult for businesses to raise capital.
Suffocation of import business due to a weakened market, the devaluation of the drachma and the obvious lack of credit.
Failure of imports will bring shortage of essential items on the market since, as we know, Greece is not self-sufficient in raw materials and meets its needs (eg. wheat, milk, meat) by imports from foreign countries.
Invasion of predatory foreign investors, who will acquire companies, property, and public property at derisory prices. It will lead to a sellout of the country, now claimed by the proponents of the drachma.
Diplomatic and economic isolation of Greece, who, being in a very difficult situation, will not be able to follow geopolitical developments in the region, as well as any challenges by its neighbors.
It's clear that we should not base our hopes on futile and dangerous solutions, such as returning to the drachma. Let us draw up a long-term plan for the next day, that will turn Greece into a modern, well-governed European country with a strong economy and liberated from the chronic pathologies that pester it.
This post originally appeared on HuffPost Greece and was translated into English.
