Može se i ovako postaviti pitanje, ali ti opet nećeš odgovoriti. Zašto, zaključno sa 25 decembrom 2021, 5% nevakcinisanih, po ukupnim i zvaničnim podacima, čini 64% hospitalizovanih, 72% na ICU, I 70% preminulih?
Sad će ti na ovo postaviti neko kontra pitanje da skrene sa teme. Samo ga prati.
Mozda zato sto jos vise lazu od Danaca?
https://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/lederen ... de/9072013We failed
ALMOST two years we – the press and the population – have been almost hypnoticly absorbed by the authorities' daily corona numbers.
WE'VE BEEN STARING. on the fluctuations of the numerical pendulum when it came to infected, hospitalized and died with corona. And we have been given the importance of the pendulum's smallest movements laid out by experts, politicians and authorities who have constantly warned us about the dormant corona monster under our beds. A monster just waiting for us to fall asleep so it can strike in the dead of night.
THE CONSTANT mental alert has worn out enormously on all of us. Therefore, we – the press – must also take stock of our own efforts. And we've failed.
WE DON'T HAVE it was enough at the garden gate when the authorities had to be asked for answers as to what it meant in concrete terms that people are hospitalized with corona and not because of corona. Because it makes a difference. A big difference. To be precise, the official hospitalization figures have been found to be 27 percent higher than the real figure for how many are in the hospital simply because they have corona. We only know now.
IT IS, OF COURSE, first and foremost, the authorities, which are responsible for informing the public correctly, accurately and honestly. The figures for how many people are sick and died of corona should have been published a long time ago, so we got the clearest picture of the monster under the bed.
ON THE WHOLE the messages of the authorities and politicians to the people of this historic crisis leave much to be desired. And that is why they lie as they have made when sections of the population lose confidence in them.
ANOTHER Example: Vaccines are consistently referred to as our 'super weapons'. And our hospitals are called 'super hospitals'. Nevertheless, these super hospitals are evidently under maximum pressure, even though almost the entire population is armed with a super weapon. Even children have been vaccinated on an enormous scale, which has not been done in our neighbouring countries.
THERE ARE OTHERS words something here that doesn't deserve the term 'super'. Whether it's the vaccines, the hospitals or a mixture of everything, each man's guess is. But the communication of those in power to the people deserves the term 'super' in any way. On the contrary.
https://mobile.mako.co.il/news-columns/ ... e71026.htmProfessor Ehud Qimron, head of the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at Tel Aviv University and one of the leading Israeli immunologists, has written an open letter sharply criticizing the Israeli – and indeed global – management of the coronavirus pandemic.
Ministry of Health, it’s time to admit failure
In the end, the truth will always be revealed, and the truth about the coronavirus policy is beginning to be revealed. When the destructive concepts collapse one by one, there is nothing left but to tell the experts who led the management of the pandemic – we told you so.
Two years late, you finally realize that a respiratory virus cannot be defeated and that any such attempt is doomed to fail. You do not admit it, because you have admitted almost no mistake in the last two years, but in retrospect it is clear that you have failed miserably in almost all of your actions, and even the media is already having a hard time covering your shame.
You refused to admit that the infection comes in waves that fade by themselves, despite years of observations and scientific knowledge. You insisted on attributing every decline of a wave solely to your actions, and so through false propaganda “you overcame the plague.” And again you defeated it, and again and again and again.
You refused to admit that mass testing is ineffective, despite your own contingency plans explicitly stating so (“Pandemic Influenza Health System Preparedness Plan, 2007”, p. 26).
You refused to admit that recovery is more protective than a vaccine, despite previous knowledge and observations showing that non-recovered vaccinated people are more likely to be infected than recovered people. You refused to admit that the vaccinated are contagious despite the observations. Based on this, you hoped to achieve herd immunity by vaccination — and you failed in that as well.
You insisted on ignoring the fact that the disease is dozens of times more dangerous for risk groups and older adults, than for young people who are not in risk groups, despite the knowledge that came from China as early as 2020.
You refused to adopt the “Barrington Declaration”, signed by more than 60,000 scientists and medical professionals, or other common sense programs. You chose to ridicule, slander, distort and discredit them. Instead of the right programs and people, you have chosen professionals who lack relevant training for pandemic management (physicists as chief government advisers, veterinarians, security officers, media personnel, and so on).
You have not set up an effective system for reporting side effects from the vaccines, and reports on side effects have even been deleted from your Facebook page. Doctors avoid linking side effects to the vaccine, lest you persecute them as you did with some of their colleagues. You have ignored many reports of changes in menstrual intensity and menstrual cycle times. You hid data that allows for objective and proper research (for example, you removed the data on passengers at Ben Gurion Airport). Instead, you chose to publish non-objective articles together with senior Pfizer executives on the effectiveness and safety of vaccines.
Irreversible damage to trust
However, from the heights of your hubris, you have also ignored the fact that in the end the truth will be revealed. And it begins to be revealed. The truth is that you have brought the public’s trust in you to an unprecedented low, and you have eroded your status as a source of authority. The truth is that you have burned hundreds of billions of shekels to no avail – for publishing intimidation, for ineffective tests, for destructive lockdowns and for disrupting the routine of life in the last two years.
You have destroyed the education of our children and their future. You made children feel guilty, scared, smoke, drink, get addicted, drop out, and quarrel, as school principals around the country attest. You have harmed livelihoods, the economy, human rights, mental health and physical health.
You slandered colleagues who did not surrender to you, you turned the people against each other, divided society and polarized the discourse. You branded, without any scientific basis, people who chose not to get vaccinated as enemies of the public and as spreaders of disease. You promote, in an unprecedented way, a draconian policy of discrimination, denial of rights and selection of people, including children, for their medical choice. A selection that lacks any epidemiological justification.
When you compare the destructive policies you are pursuing with the sane policies of some other countries — you can clearly see that the destruction you have caused has only added victims beyond the vulnerable to the virus. The economy you ruined, the unemployed you caused, and the children whose education you destroyed — they are the surplus victims as a result of your own actions only.
There is currently no medical emergency, but you have been cultivating such a condition for two years now because of lust for power, budgets and control. The only emergency now is that you still set policies and hold huge budgets for propaganda and psychological engineering instead of directing them to strengthen the health care system.
This emergency must stop!
Professor Udi Qimron, Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University
Ne skreći sa teme glupim copy pastom, odgovori na pitanje ili priznaj da ne znaš.salik79 wrote: ↑15/01/2022 18:56Mozda zato sto jos vise lazu od Danaca?
https://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/lederen ... de/9072013We failed
ALMOST two years we – the press and the population – have been almost hypnoticly absorbed by the authorities' daily corona numbers.
WE'VE BEEN STARING. on the fluctuations of the numerical pendulum when it came to infected, hospitalized and died with corona. And we have been given the importance of the pendulum's smallest movements laid out by experts, politicians and authorities who have constantly warned us about the dormant corona monster under our beds. A monster just waiting for us to fall asleep so it can strike in the dead of night.
THE CONSTANT mental alert has worn out enormously on all of us. Therefore, we – the press – must also take stock of our own efforts. And we've failed.
WE DON'T HAVE it was enough at the garden gate when the authorities had to be asked for answers as to what it meant in concrete terms that people are hospitalized with corona and not because of corona. Because it makes a difference. A big difference. To be precise, the official hospitalization figures have been found to be 27 percent higher than the real figure for how many are in the hospital simply because they have corona. We only know now.
IT IS, OF COURSE, first and foremost, the authorities, which are responsible for informing the public correctly, accurately and honestly. The figures for how many people are sick and died of corona should have been published a long time ago, so we got the clearest picture of the monster under the bed.
ON THE WHOLE the messages of the authorities and politicians to the people of this historic crisis leave much to be desired. And that is why they lie as they have made when sections of the population lose confidence in them.
ANOTHER Example: Vaccines are consistently referred to as our 'super weapons'. And our hospitals are called 'super hospitals'. Nevertheless, these super hospitals are evidently under maximum pressure, even though almost the entire population is armed with a super weapon. Even children have been vaccinated on an enormous scale, which has not been done in our neighbouring countries.
THERE ARE OTHERS words something here that doesn't deserve the term 'super'. Whether it's the vaccines, the hospitals or a mixture of everything, each man's guess is. But the communication of those in power to the people deserves the term 'super' in any way. On the contrary.
Ili od cionista?https://mobile.mako.co.il/news-columns/ ... e71026.htmProfessor Ehud Qimron, head of the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at Tel Aviv University and one of the leading Israeli immunologists, has written an open letter sharply criticizing the Israeli – and indeed global – management of the coronavirus pandemic.
Ministry of Health, it’s time to admit failure
In the end, the truth will always be revealed, and the truth about the coronavirus policy is beginning to be revealed. When the destructive concepts collapse one by one, there is nothing left but to tell the experts who led the management of the pandemic – we told you so.
Two years late, you finally realize that a respiratory virus cannot be defeated and that any such attempt is doomed to fail. You do not admit it, because you have admitted almost no mistake in the last two years, but in retrospect it is clear that you have failed miserably in almost all of your actions, and even the media is already having a hard time covering your shame.
You refused to admit that the infection comes in waves that fade by themselves, despite years of observations and scientific knowledge. You insisted on attributing every decline of a wave solely to your actions, and so through false propaganda “you overcame the plague.” And again you defeated it, and again and again and again.
You refused to admit that mass testing is ineffective, despite your own contingency plans explicitly stating so (“Pandemic Influenza Health System Preparedness Plan, 2007”, p. 26).
You refused to admit that recovery is more protective than a vaccine, despite previous knowledge and observations showing that non-recovered vaccinated people are more likely to be infected than recovered people. You refused to admit that the vaccinated are contagious despite the observations. Based on this, you hoped to achieve herd immunity by vaccination — and you failed in that as well.
You insisted on ignoring the fact that the disease is dozens of times more dangerous for risk groups and older adults, than for young people who are not in risk groups, despite the knowledge that came from China as early as 2020.
You refused to adopt the “Barrington Declaration”, signed by more than 60,000 scientists and medical professionals, or other common sense programs. You chose to ridicule, slander, distort and discredit them. Instead of the right programs and people, you have chosen professionals who lack relevant training for pandemic management (physicists as chief government advisers, veterinarians, security officers, media personnel, and so on).
You have not set up an effective system for reporting side effects from the vaccines, and reports on side effects have even been deleted from your Facebook page. Doctors avoid linking side effects to the vaccine, lest you persecute them as you did with some of their colleagues. You have ignored many reports of changes in menstrual intensity and menstrual cycle times. You hid data that allows for objective and proper research (for example, you removed the data on passengers at Ben Gurion Airport). Instead, you chose to publish non-objective articles together with senior Pfizer executives on the effectiveness and safety of vaccines.
Irreversible damage to trust
However, from the heights of your hubris, you have also ignored the fact that in the end the truth will be revealed. And it begins to be revealed. The truth is that you have brought the public’s trust in you to an unprecedented low, and you have eroded your status as a source of authority. The truth is that you have burned hundreds of billions of shekels to no avail – for publishing intimidation, for ineffective tests, for destructive lockdowns and for disrupting the routine of life in the last two years.
You have destroyed the education of our children and their future. You made children feel guilty, scared, smoke, drink, get addicted, drop out, and quarrel, as school principals around the country attest. You have harmed livelihoods, the economy, human rights, mental health and physical health.
You slandered colleagues who did not surrender to you, you turned the people against each other, divided society and polarized the discourse. You branded, without any scientific basis, people who chose not to get vaccinated as enemies of the public and as spreaders of disease. You promote, in an unprecedented way, a draconian policy of discrimination, denial of rights and selection of people, including children, for their medical choice. A selection that lacks any epidemiological justification.
When you compare the destructive policies you are pursuing with the sane policies of some other countries — you can clearly see that the destruction you have caused has only added victims beyond the vulnerable to the virus. The economy you ruined, the unemployed you caused, and the children whose education you destroyed — they are the surplus victims as a result of your own actions only.
There is currently no medical emergency, but you have been cultivating such a condition for two years now because of lust for power, budgets and control. The only emergency now is that you still set policies and hold huge budgets for propaganda and psychological engineering instead of directing them to strengthen the health care system.
This emergency must stop!
Professor Udi Qimron, Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University
Za Amerikance i ne moram, pun je internet njhovih lazi i manipulacija....
Odgovor je upravo u ovome sto sam postavio. To sto vama ne pase, pa ne zelite citati, ili danima ignorisete, nece nista promijeniti po tom pitanju.BadBoy wrote: ↑15/01/2022 18:57Ne skreći sa teme glupim copy pastom, odgovori na pitanje ili priznaj da ne znaš.salik79 wrote: ↑15/01/2022 18:56
Mozda zato sto jos vise lazu od Danaca?
https://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/lederen ... de/9072013
Ili od cionista?
https://mobile.mako.co.il/news-columns/ ... e71026.htm
Za Amerikance i ne moram, pun je internet njhovih lazi i manipulacija....
Naprotiv, oboje mi je bas jaca strana. Ti izgleda postavljas jednu anomaliju koja ti odgovara. Ja se osvrcem na ovo sto je receno:
Ti kazes to je jos poraznije. Po cemu? Jer ne znas kako brojke funkcionisu?Procenat vakcinisanih u NSW je 95% za 16+ dobnu grupu.
70% svih smrti od/sa Covidom su nevakcinisani.
Odgovori svojim riječima na jasno postavljeno pitanje.
Kako nije porazavajuci ovaj podatak, a tolika stopa vakcinisanih?!adsubzero wrote: ↑15/01/2022 19:05Naprotiv, oboje mi je bas jaca strana. Ti izgleda postavljas jednu anomaliju koja ti odgovara. Ja se osvrcem na ovo sto je receno:
Ti kazes to je jos poraznije. Po cemu? Jer ne znas kako brojke funkcionisu?Procenat vakcinisanih u NSW je 95% za 16+ dobnu grupu.
70% svih smrti od/sa Covidom su nevakcinisani.
Mozda kada prvi put procitas i das komentar na ovo sto sam vise puta postavljao.
Tebi bi trebalo biti drago da je manja stopa vakcinisanih, samo pokazujes da tebi matematika nije bas bliska. Izabrao si jedan dan koji ti se svidio, a zgodno zanemarujes brojeve za cijelu godinu.
Zanimljivo kako se pokaze da vakcine smanjuju smrtnost cak i kada pokusavas da spinujes jednim primjerom sa malim brojem uzoraka
Da, kada bi distribucija bila jednaka.adsubzero wrote: ↑15/01/2022 19:41Tebi bi trebalo biti drago da je manja stopa vakcinisanih, samo pokazujes da tebi matematika nije bas bliska. Izabrao si jedan dan koji ti se svidio, a zgodno zanemarujes brojeve za cijelu godinu.
To je premali uzorak za bilo kakav zakljucak, ali hajde da analiziramo. 95% vakcinisanih preko 16 godina, znaci 5% nevakcinisanih (iako ovo nije realno uzeti za osnovu, jer ovi koji su umrli su sigurno u toj starosnoj dobi koja ima vecu stopu vakcinacije od ovog prosjeka). 4 umrlih od 20 nevakcinisani, tako da je to 20%. Znaci 20% umrlih cine oni iz grupe od 5% ljudi (u najboljem slucaju), a trebalo bi teoretski biti 5%. To nista ne znaci? Prekomplikovano?
Hajde da pojednostavimo i maknemo procente. Zamisli da u NSW zivi stotinu ljudi, 95 ih je vakcinisano a 5 nije. Umre njih 20, od toga 4 nevakcinisani, 16 vakcinisanih.
4 od 5 je 80%, a 16 od 95 je 17%. Podijelis procente i dobijes da je 4,7 puta manja smrtnost kod vakcinisanih.
Izvinjavam se ako je i dalje prekomplikovano. Sad nastavite gdje ste stali
Zanimljivo kako se pokaze da vakcine smanjuju smrtnost cak i kada pokusavas da spinujes jednim primjerom sa malim brojem uzoraka
Mislis ovo?
Ti nam reci od koga. Malo mi čudno, nema te preko mjesec i nešto i onda udri, svaki drugi post na ovoj temi tvoj.
Izgleda da opet nisi shvatio. To su apsolutni brojevi, njih ne mozes uzimati bez da znas kakav je odnos jedinki jedne i druge grupe, sto sam i objasnio analizom.salik79 wrote: ↑15/01/2022 19:53 Da, kada bi distribucija bila jednaka.
U ovom slucaju imamo cetiri puta veci broj umrlih koji su vakcinisanih od onih koji nisu. Da bi uopce mogli uporedjivati ucinkovitost i neucinskovitost vakcina trebali bi imati jednak broj vakcinisanih i nevakcinisanih, bas kao sto su neki dan u VB na osnovu takvog uzorka utvrdili da obaveza nosenja maski u skolama nije imala apsolutno nikakav ucinak na broj zarazenih. Znaci, imali skole u kojoma je bila obavezna maskarada i skole u kojima nije. I dobili rezultat.
Jer, da vakcina djeluje, hem bi stopa zarazenih trebala biti +- 0, hem bi stopa umrlih trebala biti jednaka +- 0.
Ooooo, itekako prolazi. Gibraltar je idealan poligona za dokazivanje ucinkovitosti vakcina i mjera. Stopa vakcinacije je bila prije tog prijelaza 100%, bas kao sto su i mjere bile na snazi.adsubzero wrote: ↑15/01/2022 20:10Mislis ovo?
Umrlo im ukupno 100 ljudi i to najveci dio na prelazu 2020/2021. prije nego je stopa vakcinacije bila uopste bitna.
I kada tih 100 pretvoris u relativnu smrtnost na ovako malu drzavicu dobijes visok procenat, bas zato mora uzorak biti dovoljno velik inace analiza nema smisla.
Prijatelju, spin ne prolazi.
Ja i? Ja sam ti vec davno odgovorio na tvoje blago retardirane insinuacije, bio bi red da i ti nekada odgovoris.
100 umrlih fudbalera godisnje prije korone? Ja ne znam da sam cuo za dvojicu. Takve vijesti bi se sigurno svuda objavile. Strah me da to nije izmisljena brojka, onako samo napisna bez ikakvih imena. Ako mogu samo imena tih 100 fudbalera iz 2020 godine da pogledamo. Evo za 2021 godinu imaju sva imena na ovom linku od spinelajeza u ledja wrote: ↑15/01/2022 16:07spinel_ wrote: ↑15/01/2022 15:31 Da si na telegramu lako bi nasao. Tamo nema nikakve cenzure
Evo ti link kad si navalio.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/01/15/2021- ... 0-percent/
Ti su uzeli listu sa Wikipedije i napravili graf, iako na Wiki jasno pise da se radi samo o listi odabranih igraca, ne svih igraca.
Pazi ovo:
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/56/2/80
Broj fudbalera koji umiru godisnje je mnogo veci, ne samo za ostale godine koje se tu spominju vec i za proslu.
Znaci skoro 500 umrlih fudbalera u 5 godina, tj 100 godisnje.Results A total of 617 players (mean age 34±16 years, 96% men) with sudden death were reported from 67 countries; 142 players (23%) survived. A diagnosis by autopsy or definite medical reports was established in 211 cases (34%). The leading cause in players >35 years was coronary artery disease (76%) and in players ≤35 years was sudden unexplained death (SUD, 22%). In players ≤35 years the leading cause of SCD varied by region: cardiomyopathy in South America (42%), coronary artery anomaly in North America (33%) and SUD in Europe (26%). Traumatic sudden death including commotio cordis occurred infrequently (6%). Cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) resulted in a survival rate of 85% with the use of an automated external defibrillator (AED) compared with 35% without.
To nam (ne)namjerno presucuju. Osim za najmladju preminulu osobu. Za nju su naveli i da je imala 20 godina i da je bila vakcinisana.adsubzero wrote: ↑15/01/2022 20:12Izgleda da opet nisi shvatio. To su apsolutni brojevi, njih ne mozes uzimati bez da znas kakav je odnos jedinki jedne i druge grupe, sto sam i objasnio analizom.salik79 wrote: ↑15/01/2022 19:53 Da, kada bi distribucija bila jednaka.
U ovom slucaju imamo cetiri puta veci broj umrlih koji su vakcinisanih od onih koji nisu. Da bi uopce mogli uporedjivati ucinkovitost i neucinskovitost vakcina trebali bi imati jednak broj vakcinisanih i nevakcinisanih, bas kao sto su neki dan u VB na osnovu takvog uzorka utvrdili da obaveza nosenja maski u skolama nije imala apsolutno nikakav ucinak na broj zarazenih. Znaci, imali skole u kojoma je bila obavezna maskarada i skole u kojima nije. I dobili rezultat.
Jer, da vakcina djeluje, hem bi stopa zarazenih trebala biti +- 0, hem bi stopa umrlih trebala biti jednaka +- 0.
Najvise u jednom danu ih je umrlo 9, na dan 17. januara. Nije se sigurno razbolio taj dan, vec 15-ak dana ranije, tako da je to pocetak januara.salik79 wrote: ↑15/01/2022 20:13Ooooo, itekako prolazi. Gibraltar je idealan poligona za dokazivanje ucinkovitosti vakcina i mjera. Stopa vakcinacije je bila prije tog prijelaza 100%, bas kao sto su i mjere bile na snazi.adsubzero wrote: ↑15/01/2022 20:10
Mislis ovo?
Umrlo im ukupno 100 ljudi i to najveci dio na prelazu 2020/2021. prije nego je stopa vakcinacije bila uopste bitna.
I kada tih 100 pretvoris u relativnu smrtnost na ovako malu drzavicu dobijes visok procenat, bas zato mora uzorak biti dovoljno velik inace analiza nema smisla.
Prijatelju, spin ne prolazi.
Prjatelju, ne mozes braniti neobranjivo.
Aha, ali zato, kada treba istaci da smo mi na 3. mjestu po smrtnosti, onda je sve validno, bez obzira na nas zdravstveni sistem i zivotne uvjete. Odlicna vam je logika.adsubzero wrote: ↑15/01/2022 20:27Najvise u jednom danu ih je umrlo 9, na dan 17. januara. Nije se sigurno razbolio taj dan, vec 15-ak dana ranije, tako da je to pocetak januara.
Takodjer 27. februara je bio jedan umrli, prakticno vec kraj ovog vala, ako ne racunamo ovu osobu 20 dana kasnije. Zarazio se sredinom februara.
Ako pogledamo stopu vakcinisanosti, tek krajem februara su presisali 50%.
Na stranu to sto ne znamo ni da li su ovi pojednici uopste bili vakcinisani, a i ako jesu, to i dalje ne dokazuje nista.
Tako da je ovo s tvoje strane, u svakom mogucem smislu rijeci, SPIN
I previse vremena je otislo na ove gluposti da bi ti se objasnilo da premali uzorak nema smisla uzimati u analizu, a i naravno da sam sebe ubijes svojim primjerima.
Znamo svi da nam je zdravstveni sistem kritican i da to utice na smrtnost, ali takodjer i vakcinacija utice. Ne zaboravi: "92% umrlih u posljednja dva mjeseca u Sarajevu su nevakcinisani"salik79 wrote: ↑15/01/2022 20:34Aha, ali zato, kada treba istaci da smo mi na 3. mjestu po smrtnosti, onda je sve validno, bez obzira na nas zdravstveni sistem i zivotne uvjete. Odlicna vam je logika.adsubzero wrote: ↑15/01/2022 20:27
Najvise u jednom danu ih je umrlo 9, na dan 17. januara. Nije se sigurno razbolio taj dan, vec 15-ak dana ranije, tako da je to pocetak januara.
Takodjer 27. februara je bio jedan umrli, prakticno vec kraj ovog vala, ako ne racunamo ovu osobu 20 dana kasnije. Zarazio se sredinom februara.
Ako pogledamo stopu vakcinisanosti, tek krajem februara su presisali 50%.
Na stranu to sto ne znamo ni da li su ovi pojednici uopste bili vakcinisani, a i ako jesu, to i dalje ne dokazuje nista.
Tako da je ovo s tvoje strane, u svakom mogucem smislu rijeci, SPIN
I previse vremena je otislo na ove gluposti da bi ti se objasnilo da premali uzorak nema smisla uzimati u analizu, a i naravno da sam sebe ubijes svojim primjerima.
jelda?