Obama i SAD (2008-2016)
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jeza u ledja
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#602
hu d fak iz fil bredesen? 
@ pitt, ma nisam ja bolan ozbiljno mislio za Kennedyja.
@ pitt, ma nisam ja bolan ozbiljno mislio za Kennedyja.
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Misirlija
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#604
Koliko znas??pitt wrote:ma kakvi obama za vice. Ona je osvetoljubljiva kucka....ne bi obama imao pristupa tu. A koliko znam, niko od demokrata nece biti ni pretjerano zainteresovan da bude VP.....u magicnom trouglu za Hilary i Bilom.
E onda ne znas da je to gotova stvar, VP Wesley Clark, Secretary of State, Richard Holbrooke.
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jeza u ledja
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#606
Jao ovaj je odvratan, mislim da je Pennsylvanije tako nesto. Sanitarijum.pitt wrote:ma hix iz tenesija
nego zar ovo ne bi bio ubav par
Kreten zatucani.
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jeza u ledja
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#608
Pa to ne bi bio los tim uopste. Pogotovo za nas Bosance.Misirlija wrote:Koliko znas??pitt wrote:ma kakvi obama za vice. Ona je osvetoljubljiva kucka....ne bi obama imao pristupa tu. A koliko znam, niko od demokrata nece biti ni pretjerano zainteresovan da bude VP.....u magicnom trouglu za Hilary i Bilom.
E onda ne znas da je to gotova stvar, VP Wesley Clark, Secretary of State, Richard Holbrooke.
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Misirlija
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#609
Dream team ili ne, Izraelski lobi je kao nikada prije iza ovih izbora. Clintonovi su poznati ljubitelji Izraela, kao dokaz neka posluzi govor Hilari za vrijeme izraelskog bombardovanja Libana, a uz Mc Caina se ovih dana lijepi najveca gnjida americke politike Joe Lieberman inace jevrej po zanimanju , antislamski orjentisan i pokrovotilj rezolucije u kongresu da se Iranska garda proglasi teroristickom organizacijom.pitt wrote:eh bas su joj dreamteamGo Obama
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#610
eh bas su to stvari koje ce me orjentisati kako da glasam. bez obzira ko je predsjednik USA, Izrael cu uvijek moci racunati na US pomoc....isto kao i Saudijska Arabija i ostale zemlje nafte. A to sto su oni arapski gurbeti nesposobni i neslozni pa nemaju svoj jak lobi....to je njihova stvar.
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walkabout
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#611
Za one koji vole citati, evo jedan tekst od jednog od mojih omiljenijih novinara, izgleda poslali ga u Washington da nam dohaberi sta se desava...
PS. @jezha...glede ispravke...glas za Obamu je glas protiv Hillary.. a oni polaze od toga da je Team Clinton opasniji (a dio je i esablishmenta-a)... te stoga... podrska za Obamu je podrska za McCain-a... samo ne znam da li to Arnijeva hanuma radi svjesno ili je navedena od vehabije Arnija...
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McCain could spoil fairytale's happy ending
Peter Hartcher in Washington
February 5, 2008
BARACK OBAMA'S explanation of his position on the Iraq war was "a fairytale", according to Bill Clinton. The former president intended this as a slur, but after years of watching a George Bush war movie, a swelling throng of Americans crave a fairytale.
Obama is offering more substance than a mere piece of children's whimsy. Yet it is also true that he is promising America a fairytale, and that is central to his appeal.
It's an appeal so powerful that in recent weeks he has been gaining an average of about one-half of a percentage point every day in the opinion polls.
After only three years with a national profile he is now within striking distance of seizing the Democratic nomination for the presidency from Hillary Clinton, who has been a household name for almost 20 years and was, until recently, the "inevitable candidate".
It is the magical and fantastical element of his campaign that has so many Americans allowing themselves to submit to what Samuel Taylor Coleridge called "the willing suspension of disbelief".
"I'm asking you to believe," reads the slogan across the top of his website. Consider the titles of his two books. His autobiography is Dreams from My Father. His political paean is The Audacity of Hope.
He unfailingly repeats in his speeches that he offers "a politics of hope". His wife, Michelle, in a campaign appearance on Sunday, said: "Dreams are everything." Believe, dream, hope."
A Chicago journalist is writing a book on Obama under the working title of Saviour.
The editor of The American Conservative magazine, Scott McConnell, compared America's craving with what intellectuals fleeing Europe in the 1930s described as a continental "wholeness hunger". It was, he wrote, "a longing for release from corrupt, narrow, divisive parliamentary factions, a search for a more poetic, binding politics".
In the face of this collective swoon, the fast-firming favourite for the Republican nomination, the likeably idiosyncratic 71-year-old John McCain, veteran of 22 years in the Senate and survivor of five years in brutal North Vietnamese captivity, scoffs at the 46-year-old Obama's inexperience.
"Obama wouldn't know the difference between an RPG and a bong," he guffawed, drawing a pointed contrast between Obama's total absence of military experience and his self-confessed early experiments with drugs.
Even Obama's sympathisers are blunt about the lack of substance in his program. "He can inspire, he can expand the Democrats' universe," says Will Marshall, the president of the Democratic Party's think tank called the Progressive Policy Institute in Washington. "But he's untested, he's naive, and he's offering a lot of fluff."
And yet this does not trouble the burgeoning crowds of Obama supporters one whit. One of his top foreign affairs advisers and campaign spokeswoman, Susan Rice, says: "We had 170,000 new donors in the last month alone; we have a doubling in the participation in the primaries. He attracts a wide cross-section of support. He is building movement to unify Americans to deal with the problems we face."
It is not just Obama's appeal. It is also a rising distaste for George Bush and the way he has changed America's self-conception.
The Wall Street Journal at the weekend detailed the rise and fall of the terror-thriller TV series 24. Its hero, special agent Jack Bauer, was a soaringly popular figure even as he tortured sources in his single-minded quest to protect America from terrorist attacks.
But as Americans have been increasingly dismayed to learn that their Government has indeed practiced systematic torture, their real-world revulsion has translated into their viewing habits. Ratings for 24 fell by a third last year. It is now off air and being reconceived.
In this time of America's disillusionment with Bush and, indeed, with itself, tens of millions of Americans are finding in Obama some promise of redemption and recovery.
Although Marshall does not think Obama is the perfect candidate, he doesn't think Clinton is either: "We have two good candidates but they both have weaknesses. In Hillary's case, she has a ceiling to her appeal."
She is so loathed by the Republicans that she "could galvanise a demoralised Republican Party", he says. Obama "provides the excitement that she lacks, and she provides the heft and the toughness that he doesn't".
As these two near the end of their contest, it is likely the victor will face McCain in the presidential election.
The mercurial McCain would be the biggest problem that either Clinton or Obama could face - he is the only Republican who, in head-to-head polling exercises, consistently beats either of them.
So for the Democrats, whichever of their candidates emerges on top, it will be a case of: Believe. Dream. Hope.
PS. @jezha...glede ispravke...glas za Obamu je glas protiv Hillary.. a oni polaze od toga da je Team Clinton opasniji (a dio je i esablishmenta-a)... te stoga... podrska za Obamu je podrska za McCain-a... samo ne znam da li to Arnijeva hanuma radi svjesno ili je navedena od vehabije Arnija...
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McCain could spoil fairytale's happy ending
Peter Hartcher in Washington
February 5, 2008
BARACK OBAMA'S explanation of his position on the Iraq war was "a fairytale", according to Bill Clinton. The former president intended this as a slur, but after years of watching a George Bush war movie, a swelling throng of Americans crave a fairytale.
Obama is offering more substance than a mere piece of children's whimsy. Yet it is also true that he is promising America a fairytale, and that is central to his appeal.
It's an appeal so powerful that in recent weeks he has been gaining an average of about one-half of a percentage point every day in the opinion polls.
After only three years with a national profile he is now within striking distance of seizing the Democratic nomination for the presidency from Hillary Clinton, who has been a household name for almost 20 years and was, until recently, the "inevitable candidate".
It is the magical and fantastical element of his campaign that has so many Americans allowing themselves to submit to what Samuel Taylor Coleridge called "the willing suspension of disbelief".
"I'm asking you to believe," reads the slogan across the top of his website. Consider the titles of his two books. His autobiography is Dreams from My Father. His political paean is The Audacity of Hope.
He unfailingly repeats in his speeches that he offers "a politics of hope". His wife, Michelle, in a campaign appearance on Sunday, said: "Dreams are everything." Believe, dream, hope."
A Chicago journalist is writing a book on Obama under the working title of Saviour.
The editor of The American Conservative magazine, Scott McConnell, compared America's craving with what intellectuals fleeing Europe in the 1930s described as a continental "wholeness hunger". It was, he wrote, "a longing for release from corrupt, narrow, divisive parliamentary factions, a search for a more poetic, binding politics".
In the face of this collective swoon, the fast-firming favourite for the Republican nomination, the likeably idiosyncratic 71-year-old John McCain, veteran of 22 years in the Senate and survivor of five years in brutal North Vietnamese captivity, scoffs at the 46-year-old Obama's inexperience.
"Obama wouldn't know the difference between an RPG and a bong," he guffawed, drawing a pointed contrast between Obama's total absence of military experience and his self-confessed early experiments with drugs.
Even Obama's sympathisers are blunt about the lack of substance in his program. "He can inspire, he can expand the Democrats' universe," says Will Marshall, the president of the Democratic Party's think tank called the Progressive Policy Institute in Washington. "But he's untested, he's naive, and he's offering a lot of fluff."
And yet this does not trouble the burgeoning crowds of Obama supporters one whit. One of his top foreign affairs advisers and campaign spokeswoman, Susan Rice, says: "We had 170,000 new donors in the last month alone; we have a doubling in the participation in the primaries. He attracts a wide cross-section of support. He is building movement to unify Americans to deal with the problems we face."
It is not just Obama's appeal. It is also a rising distaste for George Bush and the way he has changed America's self-conception.
The Wall Street Journal at the weekend detailed the rise and fall of the terror-thriller TV series 24. Its hero, special agent Jack Bauer, was a soaringly popular figure even as he tortured sources in his single-minded quest to protect America from terrorist attacks.
But as Americans have been increasingly dismayed to learn that their Government has indeed practiced systematic torture, their real-world revulsion has translated into their viewing habits. Ratings for 24 fell by a third last year. It is now off air and being reconceived.
In this time of America's disillusionment with Bush and, indeed, with itself, tens of millions of Americans are finding in Obama some promise of redemption and recovery.
Although Marshall does not think Obama is the perfect candidate, he doesn't think Clinton is either: "We have two good candidates but they both have weaknesses. In Hillary's case, she has a ceiling to her appeal."
She is so loathed by the Republicans that she "could galvanise a demoralised Republican Party", he says. Obama "provides the excitement that she lacks, and she provides the heft and the toughness that he doesn't".
As these two near the end of their contest, it is likely the victor will face McCain in the presidential election.
The mercurial McCain would be the biggest problem that either Clinton or Obama could face - he is the only Republican who, in head-to-head polling exercises, consistently beats either of them.
So for the Democrats, whichever of their candidates emerges on top, it will be a case of: Believe. Dream. Hope.
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jeza u ledja
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#612
Izvini ali Bosna sa Izraelom nema nikakvih dodirnih tacaka.Misirlija wrote:Dream team ili ne, Izraelski lobi je kao nikada prije iza ovih izbora. Clintonovi su poznati ljubitelji Izraela, kao dokaz neka posluzi govor Hilari za vrijeme izraelskog bombardovanja Libana, a uz Mc Caina se ovih dana lijepi najveca gnjida americke politike Joe Lieberman inace jevrej po zanimanju , antislamski orjentisan i pokrovotilj rezolucije u kongresu da se Iranska garda proglasi teroristickom organizacijom.pitt wrote:eh bas su joj dreamteam
Ne postoji izraelski lobi, vec jevrejski, a postoji ogromna razlika u tome, jer zvanicna politika Izraela se cesto ne podudara sa politikom jevrejskog lobija u USA. Hocu da kazem da Izrael ne diktira politiku jevreskog lobija u USA vec obratno.
Medjutim, svejedno, Clinton/Holbrooke/Clark su veliki prijatelji Bosne, a to je ono sto je za nas najvaznije.
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jeza u ledja
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#613
Ne kontam?! Prvo, vecina ljudi misli da je Obama opasniji protivnik McCainu nego Clintonova (ne znam da li bih se s tim slozio, ali to je uvrijezeno misljenje). Drugo, Shriverova je dio Kennedy klana stoga i ne cudi sto je stala iza Obame, i inace je ta njena veza sa Arnijem na politickom planu promatrana kao paradoks. Stoga ne mislim da joj Arni odredjuje koga ce podrzati. Iskreno ne vjerujem da je Arni toliko promucuran.walkabout wrote: PS. @jezha...glede ispravke...glas za Obamu je glas protiv Hillary.. a oni polaze od toga da je Team Clinton opasniji (a dio je i esablishmenta-a)... te stoga... podrska za Obamu je podrska za McCain-a... samo ne znam da li to Arnijeva hanuma radi svjesno ili je navedena od vehabije Arnija...
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walkabout
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#614
To je moje vidjenje. Josh se nije desilo da kod Demokrata pobijedi "underdog" iako je skoro po pravilu zracio energijom/nadom/promjenom - uvijek bi se okrenuli onom kandidatu koji je dio establishment-a.jeza u ledja wrote:Ne kontam?! Prvo, vecina ljudi misli da je Obama opasniji protivnik McCainu nego Clintonova (ne znam da li bih se s tim slozio, ali to je uvrijezeno misljenje). Drugo, Shriverova je dio Kennedy klana stoga i ne cudi sto je stala iza Obame, i inace je ta njena veza sa Arnijem na politickom planu promatrana kao paradoks. Stoga ne mislim da joj Arni odredjuje koga ce podrzati. Iskreno ne vjerujem da je Arni toliko promucuran.walkabout wrote: PS. @jezha...glede ispravke...glas za Obamu je glas protiv Hillary.. a oni polaze od toga da je Team Clinton opasniji (a dio je i esablishmenta-a)... te stoga... podrska za Obamu je podrska za McCain-a... samo ne znam da li to Arnijeva hanuma radi svjesno ili je navedena od vehabije Arnija...
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Glede Kennedy klana i porodicnih "podjela", evo nesto zanimljivo:
"Ms Shriver, along with Senator Edward Kennedy, Caroline Kennedy and the congressman Patrick Kennedy have all endorsed Senator Obama, while Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, Robert Kennedy jnr and Kerry Kennedy, the children of Robert F. Kennedy, are supporting Hillary Clinton.
With senators Clinton and Obama heading into Super Tuesday in a virtual tie, the Democratic race has turned into a series of family feuds. There are the former Treasury secretary Robert Rubin (supporting Clinton) and his son James (Obama); Congressman Charles Rangel (Clinton) and his wife Alma (Obama); Jesse Jackson (Obama) and his wife (Clinton) and their sons (split as well).
"Within the family, for the first time you have different opinions," Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Governor of California and Maria Shriver's husband, told the San Francisco Chronicle last week, about the same time Senator Obama was calling his wife to try to coax her into declaring her support. "I've been in the family 30 years, and I've never seen that." "
Glede promucurnosti, mislim da je Arni ima dovoljno...
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jeza u ledja
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#617
U zadnjim polls koje sam nasao,
U Californiji ima malu prednost Obama, dok u New Jerseyju malu prednost ima Clinton, mada to je sve u par boba statisticki zanemarljivo. U New Yorku i Massachusettsu znacajnu prednost ima Clintonova, dok Obama u Illonoisu i Georiji ima znacajnu prednost. CA, NY, IL, MA, NJ i GA su ujedno i 6 najvecih drzava koje imaju prajmariz sutra. Znaci potpuno izjednaceno.
Od ostalih drzava sutra, Obama i Clintonova su izjednaceni u Missouriju, Alabami, Delawareu, Connecticutu, Arizoni, tj. u nekim anketama vodi jedno u nekim drugo, ali sve je u 5 boba, sa tendencijom rasta Obame iz dana u dan (za anketu treba par dana, a ovdje se mijenja stanje svaki sat cini mi se). Jedinu znacajnu prednost Clintonova ima u Oklahomi i Tennesseeju. Za ostale drzave koje glasaju sutra, koje su uglavnom sve midwest i west nisam nasao nista frisko.
U Californiji ima malu prednost Obama, dok u New Jerseyju malu prednost ima Clinton, mada to je sve u par boba statisticki zanemarljivo. U New Yorku i Massachusettsu znacajnu prednost ima Clintonova, dok Obama u Illonoisu i Georiji ima znacajnu prednost. CA, NY, IL, MA, NJ i GA su ujedno i 6 najvecih drzava koje imaju prajmariz sutra. Znaci potpuno izjednaceno.
Od ostalih drzava sutra, Obama i Clintonova su izjednaceni u Missouriju, Alabami, Delawareu, Connecticutu, Arizoni, tj. u nekim anketama vodi jedno u nekim drugo, ali sve je u 5 boba, sa tendencijom rasta Obame iz dana u dan (za anketu treba par dana, a ovdje se mijenja stanje svaki sat cini mi se). Jedinu znacajnu prednost Clintonova ima u Oklahomi i Tennesseeju. Za ostale drzave koje glasaju sutra, koje su uglavnom sve midwest i west nisam nasao nista frisko.
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FFK as Lucy01
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#618
Gleda'l ko diskusije kandidata na MTV?
Najsmjesnija mi je bila HIlari kad je pricala o reformi skolstva i stipendijama i kako ce ona, ako postane predsjednik obezbijediti $4,000 grant svim studentima .....a raja na My Space i MTV.com daje glasove da li joj vjeruju ili ne.....kad ce ti tip sto je pratio glasanje: "Senator Clinton, upravo smo dobili rezulate pola online i 67% glasaca kaze 'I don't buy it"
Najsmjesnija mi je bila HIlari kad je pricala o reformi skolstva i stipendijama i kako ce ona, ako postane predsjednik obezbijediti $4,000 grant svim studentima
.....a raja na My Space i MTV.com daje glasove da li joj vjeruju ili ne.....kad ce ti tip sto je pratio glasanje: "Senator Clinton, upravo smo dobili rezulate pola online i 67% glasaca kaze 'I don't buy it" -
walkabout
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#619
Mi smo daleko, dolje ispod, nefatamo bash signal MTV-a sa "Huma"...FFK as Lucy01 wrote:Gleda'l ko diskusije kandidata na MTV?
Najsmjesnija mi je bila HIlari kad je pricala o reformi skolstva i stipendijama i kako ce ona, ako postane predsjednik obezbijediti $4,000 grant svim studentima
Da, tehnologija je cudo...nemresh vishe ni rahat lagat narodu ko nekad...
Al hocel (opet) da bidne "kupijo prichu nekupijo, ima da kusash sta se servira"...
PS. Za one koji vole citati evo jedan tekst od AFP...
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Surging support for Barack Obama has left California's Super Tuesday Democratic primary on a knife-edge, with one-time runaway leader Hillary Clinton now nervously looking over her shoulder.
Less than a week ago, Clinton had opened up a 17-point lead over Illinois senator Obama in Los Angeles Times/CNN opinion polls carried out amongst Democratic voters ahead of the contest.
Both Obama and Clinton have campaigned aggressively in California in the final days before the vote, anxious to secure the hundreds of delegates on offer in the America's most populous state.
A total of 370 delegates of the 2025 needed to secure the Democratic nomination are up for grabs on Tuesday, making California a cornerstone of any successful nominating contest.
Unlike the Republican contest on Tuesday, independent voters may participate in the Democratic primary.
Obama now appears to have made huge inroads into Clinton's once-impregnable lead as election day looms, with a new California Field Poll released on Sunday showing the two candidates neck-and-neck.
Clinton now leads Obama by 36 to 34 per cent. But with 18 per cent still undecided the race is now too close to call according to pollsters.
"Obama's support has been increasing steadily, while support for Clinton has been relatively stagnant," the Field Poll concluded.
Obama's campaign was buoyed over the weekend by the high-profile endorsement of state first lady Maria Shriver, a member of the influential Kennedy clan, just days after her husband, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, had backed Republican John McCain.
"The more I thought about it, I thought, you know, if Barack Obama was a state, he'd be California," Shriver said to cheers at a rally held at the University of California for the Democratic presidential contender.
"I mean, think about it - diverse, open, smart, independent, bucks tradition, innovative, inspiring, dreamer, leader!" said Shriver, a member of America's most famous political dynasty.
Shriver was speaking at a celebrity-packed rally headlined by chat-show queen Oprah Winfrey, Caroline Kennedy, Obama's wife Michelle and pop music legend Stevie Wonder.
Both the Clinton and Obama campaigns have sought to generate headlines with high-profile celebrity endorsements.
Obama's strong support among younger voters was given another shot of street cred over the weekend when rapper will.i.am of group The Black Eyed Peas posted an unofficial campaign video on Youtube.
The video features celebrities including Scarlett Johansson and Herbie Hancock singing along to excerpts from an Obama speech.
"I'm blown away by how many people wanted to come and be a part of it in a short amount of time," said will.i.am.
A day before Shriver's appearance at the Obama rally, Clinton had addressed several thousand supporters in Los Angeles with basketball star Magic Johnson, Oscar-winning actress Sally Field and Ugly Betty star America Ferrera.
"We need Senator Clinton in the White House tomorrow," said Field, drawing cheers from the audience.
On Sunday, former president Bill Clinton was engaged in campaigning at African American churches across Los Angeles.
"I waited my whole life to vote for an African American for president, I waited my whole life to vote for a woman for president, and sometimes I look up to the sky and say 'God, you're playing with my mind again'," Clinton said.
While Clinton and Obama campaigned elsewhere on Monday, Bill Clinton was to continue last-ditch California campaigning, attending a town hall forum in San Francisco in an attempt to shore up support.
AFP
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jeza u ledja
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#620
Ma ti mitinzi....ja sam jos u negdje aprilu isao na jedan od Baracka Obame. Prvi i zadnji put, to se nOaroda skupilo, samo se deru, vicu yes yes, a on neke parole valja. Bezze. Al et', nek se kaze da se otislo.
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jeza u ledja
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#621
Eh evo ti bas je sad izasao clanak na CNNu u vezi toga:callmethebreeeze wrote:ja moram postaviti jedno neuko pitanje;
ako hilara bude prva kolike su sanse da obama bude vice? da li je u igri neko drugi?
isto me zanima ko ce biti vice ako obama bude prvi, pretpostavljam da hilari ne bi pristala na to.
Commentary: Forget an Obama-Clinton or Clinton-Obama ticket
By Roland S. Martin
CNN Contributor
(CNN) -- Democrats across the country are abuzz over the possibility of the "dream ticket" featuring Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama running for the White House in November.
In the words of one of "The Sopranos" characters, "Fuggetaboutit!"
Look, this might sound exciting and history-making to have a woman and an African-American competing against the Republicans, but there are multiple reasons why this won't happen.
1. Clinton will not be overshadowed by an underling. Clinton is hugely popular in Democratic circles, but truth be told, that pales in comparison to the love and affection showered on Obama. This is a guy who brings people to tears just by speaking, and attracts folks on the left, right and the disenfranchised.
When you have the children of elected officials putting pressure on their parents (Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill is one example.) to support this guy, you know he is touching people in a place others haven't in 40 years. The role of a VP is to be supportive of a presidential candidate, not someone who overshadows them.
2. Obama would not want to carry Clinton baggage. He has offered a vision of change, and having to answer to the years of strife under the Clintons would be too much. It would make sense to have a fresh face serving as his vice president who doesn't engender anger among some in the Democratic Party, and definitely the GOP. An Obama run would be about going after Republicans and independents, and Clinton being on the ticket would make that very difficult.
3. Way too much bad blood between these two during this campaign. A lot of folks say that George H.W. Bush rankled Ronald Reagan by declaring his economic plan "voodoo economics." That didn't keep Reagan from adding Bush to the ticket. But Bush was one of these loyal guys who would have done anything for the party ... and himself. I don't see that for Clinton and Obama.
Sure, their attacks on one another are what you expect in a campaign, but it has gotten very personal. Obama says she is a return to the "politics of old," and that doesn't bring a smile to her face. The race-baiting Southern Strategy used by former President Bill Clinton and the surrogates of Sen. Clinton have absolutely angered Obama's camp. There is too much blood on the floor, and you just don't forget that.
4. Being No. 2 is unthinkable for Clinton. She went through the behind-the-scenes battles with Al Gore when he was her husband's vice president. She's not interested in second fiddle and doesn't want to have to fight to be on the stage. For her, it's all or nothing. She's also 60, and being VP to Obama means that if he wins two terms, she'll be 68 running for the highest office in the land. It's not outside the realm of possibility, but she'll have to confront the skeptics who are snipping at the heels of Sen. John McCain, claiming he's too old.
5. Obama doesn't want to be an LBJ. When Lyndon Baines Johnson was the vice president under President John F. Kennedy, he was ostracized and marginalized because of the influence of Robert F. Kennedy. With Bill Clinton serving as consigliere to a President Hillary Clinton, Obama would be on the outside looking in. He knows the likelihood of him doing anything of substance and having influence in a Clinton administration.
Former Democratic candidate Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, when asked if he wanted to be her VP, he said competing with Bill Clinton isn't his cup of tea. Some would say that serving as VP two terms under Clinton would give Obama administrative experience, and he would be 54 when he could run, but I just don't buy it.
Now, as a way out, I would expect to see these two on a ticket only if Clinton is the nominee and they run the numbers and determine that the best chance of winning would be with him. She wants to be president that bad and would discount the bad blood. Then, they would hope he accept it.
I just don't see any of it happening. This might be seen as a dream ticket, but it is not a match made in heaven.
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callmethebreeeze
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#622
jako zanimljivo. hvala ti
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jeza u ledja
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#623
Ovo mora da se odnosilo na Hillary, koju izgleda niko nije 'dotakao' dugo dugo vremena.jeza u ledja wrote: , you know he is touching people in a place others haven't in 40 years.
