Barça-Madrid (Los Clásicos)

[LSD]

Ima ovih padobranaca koji se odjednom ukažu nakon pobjede (a ni na mapi ih kad su porazi) i još traže nekakva priznanja

Vidi ko se javlja Isit si na temi Uniteda

Ma yebo United, nebitan klub za mene

[Dr. Kuca]

Ne vidim veceras komentare o onom udaranju ALvesa Ronaldo, a sjetite se prosli put kad je Pepe stao na ruku Mesija, mislim da nije realno

Sam faul, hvatanje za nogu a ronaldo ga je već prošao, je bio za žutog i pored toga udaranje nogom poslije faula i alves prolazi nekažnjeno. To se zaboravilo nakon 5 minuta,a o pepeu se i dan danas priča. I da podsjetim koliko se pričalo kada je messi napucao loptom navijača real madrida bez razloga?!

Ronaldo je jedan nesportista, on koji bi trebo biti uzor sivma, onako odglumiti a samo ga je oceso u padu

[neo7]

Ma yebo United, nebitan klub za mene

Nebitna i ova dva za mene, ali znas onu "prvo pometi ispred svoga praga". Tako i ti, da bi mogao o drugima prvo pogledaj sebe.

No hard feelings, slucjano naletih na tvoj post XD

[LSD]

Ma yebo United, nebitan klub za mene

Nebitna i ova dva za mene, ali znas onu "prvo pometi ispred svoga praga". Tako i ti, da bi mogao o drugima prvo pogledaj sebe.

No hard feelings, slucjano naletih na tvoj post XD

Ti nisi shvatio, zbog cega sam ja tamo pisao sranja ima to svoje Zašto jer razni likovi dođu pa izbacuju drek na temi o Barci i tako vec duže vrijeme...i ne umaraju se u tome, jbt kralj ...pa rekoh, da vide kako je to...a inace, jako me boli polni organ za United - pošteno govoreci....ne kažem da ga mrzim uopšte, vec samo da me zaboli neka stvar za tim klubom.

[Bosanski_kralj]

Je li ovaj tim Barcelone i dalje najbolji koji je ikada igrao i koji će igrati nogomet?

Drago mi je što je upravo Ronaldo postigao pobjedonosni pogodak. Igrač njegovog kalibra ne zaslužuje onoliko pljuvanja i omalovažavanja, valjda će nakon ove utakmice kritičari malo smanjiti doživljaj.

[Chmoljo]

kako rekoh... fala Bogu pa je Barca izgubila nadam se osjetnom padu gloryhuntera, pa da mogu navijat' ko čovjek



je l' treba utakmicu da komentarišem?

hu kers... Željo pobijedio šupkove iz Gospodske

[fosil]

Ma nek su vala pustili i Realu jednu da dobije. Ne nose dzaba Unicef.

[plain vanilla]

Real odigr'o k'o Sloboda iz Tuzle. Ako zabijes valjaj se do besvijesti i ciganchi do iznemoglosti.

real je dobio i uzet ce titulu..k'o zeljo

[ultima_palabra]

Real odigr'o k'o Sloboda iz Tuzle. Ako zabijes valjaj se do besvijesti i ciganchi do iznemoglosti.

real je dobio i uzet ce titulu..k'o zeljo

Šta piješ?

[ultima_palabra]

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/20 ... result-was
Još jedna skromna izjava od fer-plej ekipe koja uvijek čestita protivniku

[plain vanilla]

Real odigr'o k'o Sloboda iz Tuzle. Ako zabijes valjaj se do besvijesti i ciganchi do iznemoglosti.

real je dobio i uzet ce titulu..k'o zeljo

Šta piješ?

suti, poganjat ce me pitari

[ultima_palabra]

'Ta će oni

[Baudelaire]

Samo vas gledam...

[hordash]

Real odigr'o k'o Sloboda iz Tuzle. Ako zabijes valjaj se do besvijesti i ciganchi do iznemoglosti.

real je dobio i uzet ce titulu..k'o zeljo

Sretno (h)im. Dugo su je cekali

[bordo gandalf]

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/20 ... result-was
Još jedna skromna izjava od fer-plej ekipe koja uvijek čestita protivniku

'ta ce glumac

[north]

Strašna postavka Reala, Murinjo je doktor za postavku igre, i odavno nismo vidjeli nemoćniju Barcelonu,iako su i kao takvi imali dvije prave šanse, ali premalo za ekipu koja se naziva vanzemaljcima..Murinjo je zaustavio Mesija, Chavija i Iniestu i tu je sva priča završena kad neko ima kvalitet da tako nešto napravi....Kralj nastavlja sa osvajanjem novih trofeja sa različitim klubovima, nova titula je obezbijeđena, ako uzme kojim slučajem LP, onda se više nema šta pričati kada su treneri u pitanju....mada i ovako je čovjek postavio ljestvicu koju niko ne može dohvatiti..

Volio bih da lik ode na kraju sezone recimo u City, pa da i on onaj naš hairlija dobije priliku uz njega, vjerujem da bi brzo došao do nekog trofeja...

4 titule sa 4 različita kluba, i još 3 titule lige prvaka sa tri različita kluba Respect Mou !!!

[burek_in_space]

Ako nekome nije jasno i dalje zashto su pojedinci banovani, pa me pitaju na pp, da objasnim jednom za sva vremena - svaki pokushaj zachatavanja teme, podizanja tenzija djechijim upadicama, dijeljenjem "atributa" koji nikako ne odgovaraju odraslim osobama i sve ostalo shto ne prilichi zdravoj, normalnoj i korektnoj diskusiji ce rezultirati banovima, kako do sada, tako i u buducnosti.

[Fossil]

Je li ovaj tim Barcelone i dalje najbolji koji je ikada igrao i koji će igrati nogomet?

Drago mi je što je upravo Ronaldo postigao pobjedonosni pogodak. Igrač njegovog kalibra ne zaslužuje onoliko pljuvanja i omalovažavanja, valjda će nakon ove utakmice kritičari malo smanjiti doživljaj.

Ronaldo je opet je potvrdio da je igracina ali i vrstan glumac i kreten i da zasluzuje omalovazavanje.

[ultima_palabra]

Je li ovaj tim Barcelone i dalje najbolji koji je ikada igrao i koji će igrati nogomet?

Drago mi je što je upravo Ronaldo postigao pobjedonosni pogodak. Igrač njegovog kalibra ne zaslužuje onoliko pljuvanja i omalovažavanja, valjda će nakon ove utakmice kritičari malo smanjiti doživljaj.

Ronaldo je opet je potvrdio da je igracina ali i vrstan glumac i kreten i da zasluzuje omalovazavanje.

Što to? Jel zato što se magarac sa naočalama naložio na njegove butine, pa ih je morao dodirnuti

[sumirprimus]

sta reci,osim zaplakati...
opet meni drazi barcin stil u subotu je bio neucinkovitiji,sad je realov sit back i u kontru bio bolji i toj to...
pitanje je samo jel zadnji klasicni ove sezone il ce bti jos jedan u maju...

[Obuca9]

4 titule sa 4 različita kluba, i još 3 titule lige prvaka sa tri različita kluba Respect Mou !!!

Kakve 4 majstore? Ovo ih je Moruinho puno više od četiri. Po dva puta prvak Portugala, Engleske i Italije, to je šest i ova sad što će da legne, ukupno sedam.

Kad na to dodaš silne kupove, superkupove, dvije titule Lige prvaka, jedan Kup UEFA... Suma da ti se zamanta.

I onda dođe "objektivni" forumaš kliksa i kaže da je on levat, da je mister five, da je kloc, smorinjo i slične gluposti. Smiješno.

[sumirprimus]

mene morinjo nervira,jer je bio trener intera,onu zalosnu sezonu i 1/2 lp-a,i jer je sad trener reala,i jer je po mom misljenju,za nekog ko ima sve u zivotu,nepotrebno arogantan i nadmen...ne volim takav tip ljudi...
ali osporiti mu sportske uspjehe,moze samo neko,ko ne prati bas najbolje fudbal opcenito...

p.zaboravio sam i porto i celzi,sve ekipe koje ne gotivim

[north]

Da je lik koji ne ostavlja trag nekoga koga bi privio na ranu, jeste, ali koga briga za to, bavi se takvim poslom gdje moraš biti ozbiljan i zajeban i gdje se samo rezultati gledaju...koga briga je li nasmijan, nadobudan i sl...

Novinari i navijači u Madridu su ga uzeli na zub i htjeli ga objesiti kad je zijanio u Madridu, a da nisu sačekali kraj sezone da vide hoće li šta osvojiti, pa onda donositi zaključke, a sad su potrčali u Madridu da ih dočekaju....samo Mou očito ne zaboravlja neke stvari, pa i dalje ne daje izjave, ima Karanko za to, a njegovo je da osvaja trofeje.....

P.S. Sema, u pravu si, jebi ga ja onako po sjećanju baratam sa statistikom, tebe te stvari bolje idu.....

[Entropio]

[ultima_palabra]

Kad već nema 505-ice, da ja postavim nešto

Real Madrid make definitive statement in pulling the plug on Barcelona

There is no reason to assume ceding the title to Real is the end of this Barça team. It does, though, herald the arrival of Madrid


The lights went out on Camp Nou just before midnight. The lights had gone out on Barcelona a couple of hours before. There weren't many people left; technicians pulling up cables, loading cameras into huge metal cases and wheeling them towards the exit; one last TV presenter resisting, bringing the clásico into Latin American living rooms; and the man they call The Observer. Not for the first time, he didn't like what he'd seen. This had been a bad night for Barça. It was over two hours since Cristiano Ronaldo had dashed towards the edge of the pitch and performed a gesture whose message was clear: "Relax, I'm here." It was over two hours since he had turned up and sorted everything out. Two hours since he brought an end to the match and to the league season. Maybe even to an era.

For Barcelona, hope had lasted two minutes and 19 seconds. That was as long as it took for Alexis Sánchez to score the equaliser, for faith to come flooding back, and for Madrid to rob the ball, string five neat passes together, Mesut Ozil to find Ronaldo, and Ronaldo to go beyond Víctor Valdés to score his 42nd goal of the season. Yes, forty-second. Pep Guardiola grabbed his head like someone had suddenly turned the volume in his ears up really, really loud, spinning on his heel, rotating through 360 degrees and ending up right back where he had started. José Mourinho leapt from the bench pointing. Ronaldo stood, chest out. Leave it to me. As plans go, it's not a bad one: for the third game in a row, he had scored at Camp Nou. He has now scored in four of the last five clásicos. He also scored the winning goal in the Copa del Rey final last season.

"The league is his," ran one newspaper cover on Sunday morning. It was an exaggeration. After all, the goal that broke the league's all-time record, taking Madrid to 108, was scored by Sami Khedira. After all, Madrid were well-organised throughout; every man played his part. Xabi Alonso did not allow Lionel Messi space. Ozil was tireless. Sergio Ramos has become a commanding centre-back. Iker Casillas made a vital save when Xavi was one on one. And Karim Benzema never makes bad decisions. But it was also understandable: this season he has pulled Madrid towards the title. "He's called Cristiano and his surname is Ronaldo," cheered mad Madridista Tomás Roncero, quite wrongly. "The Ronaldo mug [yours for just 1.95 in today's AS] will be sold out in two hours," he cheered, quite rightly.

This was a game that Barcelona had to win if they were to have any hope of winning the league. From 10 points to eight, to six, to four, to one, all the calculations made one pretty significant assumption: Barcelona would beat Real Madrid. They didn't. It never really felt like they would here. And when at last, momentarily, it did, Ronaldo made sure they didn't. Madrid are seven points clear; the league title is theirs four years since they last won it.

When the final whistle went, Messi turned and disappeared down the tunnel without a word. He has now failed to score in the last four clásicos. Madrid's players turned to the few hundred fans high in the stand and punched the air; Pepe made a point of kissing the badge; Casillas meanwhile sought out Barcelona's Spaniards and embraced them. In the dressing room, Ramos took pictures of him and his team-mates – "sensitive content", said Twitter – and Alonso put on a bit of Belle and Sebastian. Guardiola walked into the press conference room, sat down and announced: "I would like to congratulate Madrid on this victory – and on the league."

At around the same time Madrid's players, showered now, returned to the pitch to applaud the fans, still waiting in an otherwise almost empty stadium. Crowds were already gathering at El Prat airport; cars were turning up at Cibeles, the fountain of the goddess of fertility where Madrid celebrate their successes. The players won't turn up yet – assistant coach Aitor Karanka couldn't even muster a smile as he insisted that there are still points to play for – but the fans did.

Madrid had just won the league but they had not just won the league. There was something more to this. It had to happen some time, but this was a kind of exorcism. They would quite likely have won the league if they had drawn or even lost – they would still have been four, or one, point clear with just four games to go. But had they taken the title without beating Barcelona there might have been something missing, something not quite right. Instead, this felt like they had really taken it from Guardiola's team; like their time had come. Last year's Copa del Rey mattered, of course, but it was always the least important of the three competitions in play. It immediately followed abdication in the league and was immediately followed by elimination in the Champions League. This was a more definitive statement.

It was not just about Madrid destroying the rest; they had beaten the best too. Mourinho won at Camp Nou for the first time. Ronaldo won at Camp Nou for the first time. And Madrid won at Camp Nou for the first time in four years. The inferiority complex finally washed away. Some of the bad memories too; in finally overcoming it, the trauma induced by Barcelona's success was revealed. "¿Dónde está, no se ve, la manita de Piqué?" chanted Madrid fans waiting for the team at Barajas airport. "Where is it? We can't see Piqué's hand." The hand in question was the one he raised after last year's 5-0. If that manita was the symbol of Barcelona's dominance, Madrid fans hoped that Ronaldo striking a pose symbolised its end.

Clásicos have a habit of giving way to sweeping, dramatic conclusions; they are epoch definers, even when they are not. Power shifts, eras end and obituaries are written, often with indecent haste. Football is a sport, losing happens. On Sunday, Xavi was quick to insist that Barcelona are only three games away from a historic season: they have already won the European Super Cup, the Spanish Super Cup and the World Club Championships and now they have a Champions League semi-final second leg to come and another Copa del Rey final. They have won 13 of 17 competitions under Guardiola. If a team deserves the benefit of the doubt, it is this one.

There is something a little cheap about joining the queue to attack Barcelona now; something opportunistic. There can be little reproach. They have scored 125 goals. They have been beaten to the league title by a fantastic team and they could still win five trophies this season. There is no reason to assume that they will collapse completely or that the league title changing hands heralds the end of this team. Equally, though, it does herald the arrival of Madrid and they could end without the league, Champions League or Copa del Rey; optimism becomes pessimism remarkably quickly. One of the reasons for that is that Saturday revealed failings too – some of which have been nagging away in the back of minds, even as Barcelona went on that brilliant run of 10 wins in a row. Small failings, barely perceptible ones most of the time, but ones that are there.

Guardiola wanted width, so chose Cristian Tello and Dani Alves. Tello was so far on the touchline that Barcelona rarely found him and, as Alves himself intimates, he is far more dangerous arriving in attacking positions than starting there. Building around Messi makes sense when you see his extraordinary statistics and the consistent brilliance of his performances but there are times, and Saturday was one of them, when there is a lack of variety and a lack of presence up front – there is no Samuel Eto'o figure, no Thierry Henry, no Zlatan Ibrahimovic and, because of injury, no David Villa either. Alexis too has suffered a string of muscle problems this season. Meanwhile, the three-man defence was vulnerable and the midfield four rarely connected in positions from which they could do real damage. Xavi, the man who makes it work, has needed protecting from injury.

The more Barcelona have focused on controlling the game, the less they seem to have been able to kill it. Against Madrid they completed well over 700 passes; Madrid completed just over 200. Madrid had six shots on target, Barcelona just three. All of Barcelona's passes matter, they are the building blocks that create their footballing edifice. They are an expression of non-negotiable style – the style that has got them where they are, proving wildly successful – but without the murderous intent there is something missing. As Juanma Trueba notes in AS, quoting the bullfighter Juan Belmonte "performing passes is not the same thing as bullfighting". "Likewise," Trueba notes, "playing the ball is not [necessarily] playing good football … trying to defeat Madrid that way is like trying to kiss a bull to death."

There is a small squad and fatigue too. "They have been working since August. You ask for the same as ever but there are times when, after playing for everything for four years, it's hard," said Guardiola. "I hoped that [moment] would not come against Madrid." Barcelona had played on Wednesday and again on Saturday (not Tuesday-Sunday), just as they had the last two times they had been beaten in La Liga: the loss to Getafe was preceded by Milan; the loss to Osasuna preceded by Valencia in the Copa del Rey. A few days ago, Barcelona announced that this summer they will not be going on tour but will instead stay in Europe for the whole summer. It is a response to the belief that Barcelona paid for their poor preparation. "Some teams have a pre-season, we had a tour," he noted then.

Guardiola's own doubts over his future cannot have helped; the illness to his No2, Tito Villanova; the concerns over Piqué.

This is a kind of footballing chaos theory. In a league where the points totals are so high, the tiniest mistake, the flutter of a butterfly's wing, has a huge impact. Draws are the new defeats; defeats are the new disasters.

Most significantly of all, Barcelona have come up against a hell of a rival. Of the four trophies that Barcelona have not won so far, three have been ceded to Mourinho – a European Cup against Inter, plus a Copa del Rey and now the league title. That is precisely why he was brought to the Bernabéu. The league is the title that, in theory at least, most defines which is the better side, even though it is the European Cup they both want above all, and fundamentally Madrid have won the league because they are extremely strong: the side that went to Camp Nou cost over €400m, and the work they have done under the Portuguese coach – analysed here – has been effective. They've scored more goals than anyone else in Spanish league history.

Madrid have succeeded in competing against the team many considered the best ever. Yet that equation can be turned on its head: Barcelona have competed against one of the most powerful teams ever assembled too. They have competed with each other, taking this to another plane. No one else has been able to compete with them, Valencia are 32 points off the top. Four years later, Madrid came out on top. This time, the lights went out on Barcelona. Something shifted in Spain on Saturday night.