Obama i SAD (2008-2016)

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aj kako ih proziva
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-m ... nything---

Kralj

sve ih je prozvo: pocevsi s desna, preko korporativne amerike sve do jos aktualnog Presjednika i sta rade

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funny

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Sta je ovo, AIPAC nije uplatio ratu ovaj mjesec?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/05/19/ ... tml?hpt=T1

Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders

Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama on Thursday made official the long-held but rarely stated U.S. support for a future Palestinian state based on borders that existed before the 1967 Middle East war.
In the past, the United States has unofficially backed a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict based on the borders in place prior to the war 44 years ago in which Israel seized the West Bank, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and Sinai Peninsula.

In a major speech Thursday, Obama became the first president to formally endorse the policy, but he also acknowledged the need for modifications through the negotiating process due to conditions on the ground.
"The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine," Obama said in the concluding section of his 45-minute address that looked at political and social change sweeping across the Middle East and North Africa.
"We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states," Obama continued.

His position agreed with the Palestinian negotiating stance on border issues in the staggering peace process, now stalled again by disputes over Israel settlements in the West Bank and the role of Hamas -- a terrorist group in the eyes of the United States and Israel -- in the Palestinian leadership.

At the same time, Obama reiterated unwavering U.S. support for Israel's security, and he endorsed major negotiating positions of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government, including an incremental handover of security responsibilities by Israel when conditions on the ground allow it.

Obama declared the U.S. commitment to Israel's security "unshakable," and said "every state has the right to self-defense, and Israel must be able to defend itself -- by itself -- against any threat."

"Provisions must also be robust enough to prevent a resurgence of terrorism; to stop the infiltration of weapons; and to provide effective border security," Obama continued, touching on the major concerns of Israel in facing a new Palestinian neighbor. "The full and phased withdrawal of Israeli military forces should be coordinated with the assumption of Palestinian security responsibility in a sovereign, non-militarized state. And the duration of this transition period must be agreed, and the effectiveness of security arrangements must be demonstrated."

In a later interview with the BBC, Obama said that "the basis for negotiations will involve looking at that 1967 border, recognizing that conditions on the ground have changed and there are going to need to be swaps to accommodate the interests of both sides."

"That's on the one hand and on the other hand, and this was an equally important part of the speech, Israel is going to have to feel confident about its security on the West Bank and that security element is going to be important to the Israelis." Obama said in the interview.

Tony Blair, the former British prime minister now working as part of international efforts to secure an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement, said the security assurances and provisions are essential to the territorial issue.
"I think it's saying in essence, that the Palestinians have got to be sure that their state is viable in terms of territory," Blair told CNN shortly after Obama spoke. "Obviously, there are going to be deviations or changes (from the exact 1967 borders) that are mutually agreeable."

On the other hand, Blair said, Israel has the right to protect itself.

As expected, initial reaction was mostly negative. A statement from Netanyahu's office rejected what it called a withdrawal to the 1967 borders, calling them "indefensible" and noting it would leave major Israeli population centers in Palestinian territory. Hamas also rejected the speech.

Political opponents also criticized Obama, with possible Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney saying the president had "thrown Israel under the bus."

"He has disrespected Israel and undermined its ability to negotiate peace," Romney said in a statement. "He has also violated a first principle of American foreign policy, which is to stand firm by our friends."

The president used his speech to speak directly to both Israel and Palestinians, declaring that both sides must yield on some deeply entrenched positions in order to bring peace that is desired and needed by both the region and the world.
He criticized both sides for "unmet" expectations despite decades of efforts by U.S. administrations, including his own, to facilitate an agreement.

In particular, Obama cited Israel's insistence on building new housing settlements on the West Bank and other areas beyond its 1967 borders. On Thursday, Israel announced the approval of projects to build 1,500 housing units in Har Homa and Pisgat Zeev, which are outside the 1967 borders. Roye Lackmanovich, an Interior Ministry spokesman, said the projects had previously received initial approval.

"The status quo is unsustainable, and Israel too must act boldly to advance a lasting peace," Obama said, adding that "the dream of a Jewish and democratic state cannot be fulfilled with permanent occupation."
Obama also rejected any Palestinian effort to challenge Israel's right to exist, saying they would "end in failure." He noted an expected push for a symbolic U.N. General Assembly resolution in September "won't create an independent state."
While calling for positive steps by both sides on territory and security issues, Obama said he recognized two "wrenching and emotional issues" remain unresolved -- the future status of Jerusalem, which is claimed by both sides, and the fate of Palestinian refugees who claim Israel as their homeland.

Obama also repeated the strong U.S. opposition to Hamas playing a leadership role unless it recognizes Israel's right to exist and renounces terrorism.

"The recent announcement of an agreement between Fatah and Hamas raises profound and legitimate questions for Israel -- how can one negotiate with a party that has shown itself unwilling to recognize your right to exist," Obama said. "In the weeks and months to come, Palestinian leaders will have to provide a credible answer to that question."
Netanyahu's statement cited the refugee and Hamas issues as major obstacles to renewed peace talks sought by Obama.

"Without a solution to the Palestinian refugee problem outside the borders of Israel, no territorial concession will bring peace," said the statement, adding that Netanyahu -- who will meet with Obama on Friday in Washington -- "will also express his disappointment over the Palestinian Authority's decision to embrace Hamas, a terror organization committed to Israel's destruction."

Obama acknowledged the "suspicion and hostility" that impeded the peace process, but added he was "convinced that the majority of Israelis and Palestinians would rather look to the future than be trapped in the past."

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"Obama acknowledged the "suspicion and hostility" that impeded the peace process, but added he was "convinced that the majority of Israelis and Palestinians would rather look to the future than be trapped in the past."

he was convinced how/by whom

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Skonto covjek kad krene nOarod poput onih neki dan na granici Izraela sa Sirijom i Libanom, nece biti ko da ih zaustavi sa njihove strane - vec samo izraelska municija - a to ce biti masovno krvoprolice, jer narod nece stati, kao sto nije stao ni u Egiptu, Tunisu, Libiji... A kad Izraelci pocnu masakrirati Palestince, prvo sto ce to biti hiljadu puta masovnije, a drugo sto ce imati mnogo gore konotacije.

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Skonto covjek kad krene nOarod poput onih neki dan na granici Izraela sa Sirijom i Libanom, nece biti ko da ih zaustavi sa njihove strane - vec samo izraelska municija - a to ce biti masovno krvoprolice, jer narod nece stati, kao sto nije stao ni u Egiptu, Tunisu, Libiji... A kad Izraelci pocnu masakrirati Palestince, prvo sto ce to biti hiljadu puta masovnije, a drugo sto ce imati mnogo gore konotacije.

razuimijem kolega,lai ne razumijem koliko godina mom skolovanom predjsniku je trebalo da tako nesto skonta izigrava dobricu kao da sam pala sa druge planete,vijest dana;SAD predjednik skontao potenicjalne mogucnosti novih medjuljudksih sukoba,bull shit

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Najveci problem s Obamom je to sto prica jedno, a radi drugo...

Nikada Palestinci nece imati drzavu ako budu cekali na svijet i SAD... protesti kao ovi samo mogu donijeti promjene, nista vise.

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Najveci problem s Obamom je to sto prica jedno, a radi drugo...

Nikada Palestinci nece imati drzavu ako budu cekali na svijet i SAD... protesti kao ovi samo mogu donijeti promjene, nista vise.

palestini nisu u mogucnosti pobjediti i zaustaviti izraelce

od kad predsjednici rade ono sto kazu i obacaju

[Koolin1]

Najveci problem s Obamom je to sto prica jedno, a radi drugo...

Nikada Palestinci nece imati drzavu ako budu cekali na svijet i SAD... protesti kao ovi samo mogu donijeti promjene, nista vise.

palestini nisu u mogucnosti pobjediti i zaustaviti izraelce

od kad predsjednici rade ono sto kazu i obacaju

To dali su u mogucnosti pobjediti je jedno, a jedini nacin kako mogu doci do drzave je drugo...

Samo mirni masovni protesti, kao oni u Egiptu mogu donijeti nesto... ostalo je sve uzaludno.

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To dali su u mogucnosti pobjediti je jedno, a jedini nacin kako mogu doci do drzave je drugo...

Samo mirni masovni protesti, kao oni u Egiptu mogu donijeti nesto... ostalo je sve uzaludno.

zelis reci,cak bi i izraelci i ostatak korumpirane politike napokon popustili ; pure idealizam

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Nema mirno s Izraelom. Predji preko granice i satrace te bez milosti.

Sto se tice Obamine price, dovoljno je pogledati negativne reakcije Izraelaca na istu. A iz price u djela....bojim se da Obama ne moze tu puno, sve i da hoce. Mislim, mogu neke stvari, ali to ce malo morati da priceka.

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Nema mirno s Izraelom. Predji preko granice i satrace te bez milosti.

Sto se tice Obamine price, dovoljno je pogledati negativne reakcije Izraelaca na istu. A iz price u djela....bojim se da Obama ne moze tu puno, sve i da hoce. Mislim, mogu neke stvari, ali to ce malo morati da priceka.

kako mene odusevljava kad vidim kako raja ljubi predjesnikove price ,naivnost je jos uvijek pristuna

[Koolin1]

To dali su u mogucnosti pobjediti je jedno, a jedini nacin kako mogu doci do drzave je drugo...

Samo mirni masovni protesti, kao oni u Egiptu mogu donijeti nesto... ostalo je sve uzaludno.

zelis reci,cak bi i izraelci i ostatak korumpirane politike napokon popustili ; pure idealizam

Mislim da bi... veliki broj ljudi bi izgubio zivot prije nego sto se to desi, al to je jedini nacin...

Samo mirno i u velikom broju... bar ih Izrael i SAD nebi mogli nazivati teroristima...

mozda grijesim, mozda bi ih Izraelci izmasakrilali i svijet nebi reagovao, al ocigledno je to da metode koje su dosad koristili ne piju vode...

[Koolin1]

Nema mirno s Izraelom. Predji preko granice i satrace te bez milosti.

Sto se tice Obamine price, dovoljno je pogledati negativne reakcije Izraelaca na istu. A iz price u djela....bojim se da Obama ne moze tu puno, sve i da hoce. Mislim, mogu neke stvari, ali to ce malo morati da priceka.

kako mene odusevljava kad vidim kako raja ljubi predjesnikove price ,naivnost je jos uvijek pristuna

Slazem se, Obamine price su tu da malo masi zamazu oci, nista vise... pure entertainment nothing more.

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To dali su u mogucnosti pobjediti je jedno, a jedini nacin kako mogu doci do drzave je drugo...

Samo mirni masovni protesti, kao oni u Egiptu mogu donijeti nesto... ostalo je sve uzaludno.

zelis reci,cak bi i izraelci i ostatak korumpirane politike napokon popustili ; pure idealizam

Mislim da bi... veliki broj ljudi bi izgubio zivot prije nego sto se to desi, al to je jedini nacin...

Samo mirno i u velikom broju... bar ih Izrael i SAD nebi mogli nazivati teroristima...

mozda grijesim, mozda bi ih Izraelci izmasakrilali i svijet nebi reagovao, al ocigledno je to da metode koje su dosad koristili ne piju vode...

ko finansira palestince

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Mene pak ne odusevljavaju cinicni komentari na sve sto se desava u svijetu, pod paskom - "ja sam samo realan". Tako prakticno mozes odgovoriti na sve, tako onda to i nije odgovor, vec isprazna floskula.

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Mene pak ne odusevljavaju cinicni komentari na sve sto se desava u svijetu, pod paskom - "ja sam samo realan". Tako prakticno mozes odgovoriti na sve, tako onda to i nije odgovor, vec isprazna floskula.

ko finansira palestince

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Ko je finansirao Egipcane? Tunizane?

Ako postoji neko ko moze finansirati bombase samoubice, politicke partije i slicno, nevidim razlog zasto nebi mogli finansirati i mirne masovne proteste...

znam da zvucim naivno, mozda i jesam... al mislim da je to jedini izlaz... dali grijesim ili ne mozemo saznati samo ako se nesto tako desi...

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Ko su 'Palestinci'?

Hamas, Fatah, narod na ulici?

Nema ko ih NE financira. Od Saudije, preko Irana, pa sve do Amer'ke. A mogu mislit kakvih jos tu skrivenih igraca ima.

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Ko su 'Palestinci'?

Hamas, Fatah, narod na ulici?

Nema ko ih NE financira. Od Saudije, preko Irana, pa sve do Amer'ke. A mogu mislit kakvih jos tu skrivenih igraca ima.

i kako uopste zaustaviti takvo "poslovanje"

svi pljuju na izraelce i SAD,a plestina je vjecno ugrozena,uvijek ima podrsku od "ostalih" koji ocevidno nisu u mogucnosti pomoci ; kako je palestina u kompletnoj prici gubitnik u kompletnom sukubu otpuzujem obe strane

[Koolin1]

Znaci uredu je to sto Zapad financira Izrael, a nije sto Arapi pomazu Palestincima?

Palestinci su gubitnici jer prvo nisu priznati nigdje, konstantno se grade nova Izraelska naselja na njihovoj teritoriji, i u svoj toj prici oni ispadaju teroristi.

Sama cinjenica da nemaju slobodu kretanja unutar svoje drzave ili teritorije ti govori o tome koje gubitnik a ko ne...

[ljubav_aha]

Znaci uredu je to sto Zapad financira Izrael, a nije sto Arapi pomazu Palestincima?

Palestinci su gubitnici jer prvo nisu priznati nigdje, konstantno se grade nova Izraelska naselja na njihovoj teritoriji, i u svoj toj prici oni ispadaju teroristi.

Sama cinjenica da nemaju slobodu kretanja unutar svoje drzave ili teritorije ti govori o tome koje gubitnik a ko ne...

Ko su 'Palestinci'?

Hamas, Fatah, narod na ulici?

Nema ko ih NE financira. Od Saudije, preko Irana, pa sve do Amer'ke. A mogu mislit kakvih jos tu skrivenih igraca ima.

Koolin1 ,hajd' jos jednom procitaj

[Koolin1]

Znaci uredu je to sto Zapad financira Izrael, a nije sto Arapi pomazu Palestincima?

Palestinci su gubitnici jer prvo nisu priznati nigdje, konstantno se grade nova Izraelska naselja na njihovoj teritoriji, i u svoj toj prici oni ispadaju teroristi.

Sama cinjenica da nemaju slobodu kretanja unutar svoje drzave ili teritorije ti govori o tome koje gubitnik a ko ne...

Ko su 'Palestinci'?

Hamas, Fatah, narod na ulici?

Nema ko ih NE financira. Od Saudije, preko Irana, pa sve do Amer'ke. A mogu mislit kakvih jos tu skrivenih igraca ima.

Koolin1 ,hajd' jos jednom procitaj

pa kakva je razlika u tome sto ih SAD financira, pitanje je dal ih uopste financiraju, to sto jedan clan sax foruma kaze ne znaci da je tako u pravom svijetu

al recimo da ih i finansiraju, to samo znaci da SAD igra svoju igru u kojoj su opet najveci gubitnici Palestinci i Palestinski narod... tako da nevidim znacaj u tome sto ih SAD finansira, cinjenica je ono sto sam vec naveo...

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Naravno da su Palestinci gubitnici, u svakom smislu, djelimicno naravno svojom krivicom, ali vise time sto su mali pijuni u globalnom raskusuravanju.

Moje je misljenje, premda ne negiram pravo Izraela na postojanje, da ta zemlja provodi agresivnu, osvajacku i nadasve fasisticku politiku prema Palestincima. To je jasno svima, osim zadrtim jevrejima i kojekakvim kriscanskim fundamentalistima. Velikoj vecini gradjana i u SAD i u Evropi je to vise nego jasno i muka im je ispraznih prica o ugrozenosti izraelskog naroda.
Takodje, pametnim ljudima je jasno da nece tako dovijeka, i pokusavaju na neki nacin da to pitanje rijese prije nego bude kasno - za Izrael.

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Znaci uredu je to sto Zapad financira Izrael, a nije sto Arapi pomazu Palestincima?

Palestinci su gubitnici jer prvo nisu priznati nigdje, konstantno se grade nova Izraelska naselja na njihovoj teritoriji, i u svoj toj prici oni ispadaju teroristi.

Sama cinjenica da nemaju slobodu kretanja unutar svoje drzave ili teritorije ti govori o tome koje gubitnik a ko ne...

Ko su 'Palestinci'?

Hamas, Fatah, narod na ulici?

Nema ko ih NE financira. Od Saudije, preko Irana, pa sve do Amer'ke. A mogu mislit kakvih jos tu skrivenih igraca ima.

Koolin1 ,hajd' jos jednom procitaj

pa kakva je razlika u tome sto ih SAD financira, pitanje je dal ih uopste financiraju, to sto jedan clan sax foruma kaze ne znaci da je tako u pravom svijetu

al recimo da ih i finansiraju, to samo znaci da SAD igra svoju igru u kojoj su opet najveci gubitnici Palestinci i Palestinski narod... tako da nevidim znacaj u tome sto ih SAD finansira, cinjenica je ono sto sam vec naveo...

Naravno da ih SAD finansiraju, kroz kojekakve programe pomoci. (ovo ne vazi za Gazu i Hamas). Pa u toj silnoj lovi koja dolazi sa svih strana lezi i jedan od problema - korupcija u Palestinskoj Samoupravi.