Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton prva predsjednica USA.
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Obama i SAD (2008-2016)
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#577
Ma dobro, nije ona toliko losa, al eto.
Ja za sad ne znam nikoga ko bi glasao za nju. U stvari od 100 ljudi koje znam 50 je za Obamu - 50 za Ron Paula, (eventualno je tu uletio koji glas za Edwardsa ili za Kucinicha). Niko jos nema da podrzava Clintonovu, pa kontam ko ce onda glasat za nju?
Ja za sad ne znam nikoga ko bi glasao za nju. U stvari od 100 ljudi koje znam 50 je za Obamu - 50 za Ron Paula, (eventualno je tu uletio koji glas za Edwardsa ili za Kucinicha). Niko jos nema da podrzava Clintonovu, pa kontam ko ce onda glasat za nju?
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#578
Hillary Clinton izajvila da je "jedva preživjela" posjetu Bosni
Riskirala sam život u misijama devedesetih, na primjer za vrijeme zastrašujućeg posjeta BiH, koji je uključivao slijetanje avionom pod 90 stepeni i trčanje po pisti da bih izbjegla snajpere. Ne sjećam se da me iko ponudio čajem.
Ovo je sadržaj odgovora koji je američka senatorica i kandidat za predsjednika SAD-a Hillary Clinton uputila svome izbornom konkurentu Barcaku Obami, koji ju je prozvao da je njezin osmogodišnji angažman prve dame SAD-a "bila jedna proslavljena čajanka".
Da li je bivša prva dama i aktuelni pretendent na mjesto predsjednika SAD-a Hillary Clinton stvarno morala bježati u BiH preko piste koju su nišanili srpski snajperisti i u kakvim je sigurnosnim okolnostima dolazila u Sarajevo i Tuzlu, provjerili smo kod živih učesnika.
Tadašnji hrvatski član u Predsjedništvu BiH Krešimir Zubak, koji je 22. decembra 1997. godine razgovarao sa njezinim suprugom i američkim predsjednikom Billom Clintonom u njegovom nastupnom posjetu Sarajevu, prisjeća se da su mjere sigurnosti bile standardno velike kad su u pitanju posjete američkih funkcionera.
"Teško je da bi neko prepustio bilo šta riziku", prisjeća se Zubak, napominjući da su u njegovoj pratnji stigli i supruga Hillary sa kćeri, te brojni senatori i predstavnici Pentagona.
"Jedino da je gospođa Clinton" nastavlja Zubak, "nekada ranije samo dolazila u BiH, ali bi se toga događaja svaki funkcioner sjetio". Iako gospođa Clinton u svojoj autobiografskoj knjizi "Living History" opširno piše o ratu i stradanjima u BiH, nema podataka da je prije posjete Sarajevu i Tuzli bila na nekom od ratnih žarišta u BiH sa kojih su vrebali snajperisti.
Dok je njezin muž Bill toga 22. decembra 1997. godine u zgradi Zemaljskog muzeja u Sarajevu vodio jednosatni razgovor sa tadašnjim tročlanim Predsjedništvom - Zubak, Izetbegović, Krajišnik - prva dama SAD-a imala je prigodni susret sa predstavnicima nevladinih organizacija. Posebno se zanimajući za ženske organizacije i njihove probleme, gospođa Clinton je prilikom susreta sa ženskim udruženjima kurtoazno izjavila "kako je njezin suprug jako uvjeren da je demokratija jedina šansa za BiH, te da će SAD ostati uz one koji su za mir i demokratsku BiH".
Sa svoje strane, supruga američkog predsjednika rekla je kako je prikupila dosta informacija kojima će pokušati dodatno animirati nevladine organizacije u SAD-u da više pomognu BiH. Mijenjajući strogi protokol, Clintonovi su prije ulaska u Narodno pozorište, gdje se održavala svečana sjednica Parlamenta BiH, popili kafu u centru Sarajeva, razgovarajući sa studentima u jednom kafiću, i rukujući se sa prolaznicima i brojnim vojnicima SFOR-a.
U njihovoj pratnji bio je tada i republikanski senator Bob Dole sa suprugom Elizabeth, članovima Predsjedničkog doma SAD-a. Upriličen je kolektivni posjet Policijskoj akademiji na Vracama (dio Sarajeva koji je nekad bio prva linija ratišta), gdje su razgovarali sa visokim federalnim funkcionerima o sigurnosnoj situaciji u BiH.
Nakon Sarajeva Clinton se u pratnji supruge, uz velike mjere sigurnosti, uputio u bazu "Orao" kod Tuzle, gdje su bili stacionirani američki vojnici. S obzirom na to da je posjeta BiH smatrana velikim rizikom, Clintonovi u Sarajevo i Tuzlu nisu doputovali predsjedničkim avionom, koji je ostao u Italiji. Oni su u BiH sa članovima najviše američke delegacije stigli u američkom vojnom transportnom avionu.
A evo bas izjavi da ce se vise angazirati za BiH
Amerika je ne za interesovana,EU slaba,a Rusija i Srbija opstruiraju.Ovo je njena zadnja izjava,pa ti meni sad objasni,ko bi od njih dvoje se vise angazovao za BiH.
Riskirala sam život u misijama devedesetih, na primjer za vrijeme zastrašujućeg posjeta BiH, koji je uključivao slijetanje avionom pod 90 stepeni i trčanje po pisti da bih izbjegla snajpere. Ne sjećam se da me iko ponudio čajem.
Ovo je sadržaj odgovora koji je američka senatorica i kandidat za predsjednika SAD-a Hillary Clinton uputila svome izbornom konkurentu Barcaku Obami, koji ju je prozvao da je njezin osmogodišnji angažman prve dame SAD-a "bila jedna proslavljena čajanka".
Da li je bivša prva dama i aktuelni pretendent na mjesto predsjednika SAD-a Hillary Clinton stvarno morala bježati u BiH preko piste koju su nišanili srpski snajperisti i u kakvim je sigurnosnim okolnostima dolazila u Sarajevo i Tuzlu, provjerili smo kod živih učesnika.
Tadašnji hrvatski član u Predsjedništvu BiH Krešimir Zubak, koji je 22. decembra 1997. godine razgovarao sa njezinim suprugom i američkim predsjednikom Billom Clintonom u njegovom nastupnom posjetu Sarajevu, prisjeća se da su mjere sigurnosti bile standardno velike kad su u pitanju posjete američkih funkcionera.
"Teško je da bi neko prepustio bilo šta riziku", prisjeća se Zubak, napominjući da su u njegovoj pratnji stigli i supruga Hillary sa kćeri, te brojni senatori i predstavnici Pentagona.
"Jedino da je gospođa Clinton" nastavlja Zubak, "nekada ranije samo dolazila u BiH, ali bi se toga događaja svaki funkcioner sjetio". Iako gospođa Clinton u svojoj autobiografskoj knjizi "Living History" opširno piše o ratu i stradanjima u BiH, nema podataka da je prije posjete Sarajevu i Tuzli bila na nekom od ratnih žarišta u BiH sa kojih su vrebali snajperisti.
Dok je njezin muž Bill toga 22. decembra 1997. godine u zgradi Zemaljskog muzeja u Sarajevu vodio jednosatni razgovor sa tadašnjim tročlanim Predsjedništvom - Zubak, Izetbegović, Krajišnik - prva dama SAD-a imala je prigodni susret sa predstavnicima nevladinih organizacija. Posebno se zanimajući za ženske organizacije i njihove probleme, gospođa Clinton je prilikom susreta sa ženskim udruženjima kurtoazno izjavila "kako je njezin suprug jako uvjeren da je demokratija jedina šansa za BiH, te da će SAD ostati uz one koji su za mir i demokratsku BiH".
Sa svoje strane, supruga američkog predsjednika rekla je kako je prikupila dosta informacija kojima će pokušati dodatno animirati nevladine organizacije u SAD-u da više pomognu BiH. Mijenjajući strogi protokol, Clintonovi su prije ulaska u Narodno pozorište, gdje se održavala svečana sjednica Parlamenta BiH, popili kafu u centru Sarajeva, razgovarajući sa studentima u jednom kafiću, i rukujući se sa prolaznicima i brojnim vojnicima SFOR-a.
U njihovoj pratnji bio je tada i republikanski senator Bob Dole sa suprugom Elizabeth, članovima Predsjedničkog doma SAD-a. Upriličen je kolektivni posjet Policijskoj akademiji na Vracama (dio Sarajeva koji je nekad bio prva linija ratišta), gdje su razgovarali sa visokim federalnim funkcionerima o sigurnosnoj situaciji u BiH.
Nakon Sarajeva Clinton se u pratnji supruge, uz velike mjere sigurnosti, uputio u bazu "Orao" kod Tuzle, gdje su bili stacionirani američki vojnici. S obzirom na to da je posjeta BiH smatrana velikim rizikom, Clintonovi u Sarajevo i Tuzlu nisu doputovali predsjedničkim avionom, koji je ostao u Italiji. Oni su u BiH sa članovima najviše američke delegacije stigli u američkom vojnom transportnom avionu.
A evo bas izjavi da ce se vise angazirati za BiH
Amerika je ne za interesovana,EU slaba,a Rusija i Srbija opstruiraju.Ovo je njena zadnja izjava,pa ti meni sad objasni,ko bi od njih dvoje se vise angazovao za BiH.
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#579
Uh, nemojte da ovo "Hadzifejz" procita!! Taman su, uz svesrdnu "ispomoc" njegove "filijale" u USA , novine "Sabah", u Centralnom, predstavili Hilaricu k'o "Hazreti Fatimu!"
Taman su, uz svesrdnu "ispomoc" njegove "filijale" u USA , novine "Sabah", u Centralnom, predstavili Hilaricu k'o "Hazreti Fatimu!" -
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#580
Tesko da bi ijednom to bilo u prvom, drugom, ili desetom planu.pici wrote:Ovo je njena zadnja izjava,pa ti meni sad objasni,ko bi od njih dvoje se vise angazovao za BiH.
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#581
Malo Reutersa:
Poll: Clinton, Obama neck-and-neck
Ahead of Super Tuesday, Democratic hopefuls virtually tied in big states
WASHINGTON - Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are running neck-and-neck in California, New Jersey and Missouri two days before the sprawling "Super Tuesday" presidential showdown, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Sunday.
Obama has a slight lead in California and is virtually tied with Clinton in New Jersey and Missouri heading into the biggest day of voting in a U.S. presidential nominating campaign, with contests in 24 states from coast to coast.
"It looks like we have some serious horse races going on with Clinton and Obama," said pollster John Zogby said. "However it turns out, we can be pretty sure it is too close to be resolved on Tuesday."
Obama, an Illinois senator who would be the first black U.S. president, has a comfortable 20-point lead in Georgia fueled by a more than 3-to-1 advantage over Clinton among black voters.
In the Republican race, Arizona Sen. John McCain has double-digit leads on Mitt Romney in New York, New Jersey and Missouri but narrowly trails the former Massachusetts governor in California, the biggest prize on "Super Tuesday."
Romney leads McCain by 37 percent to 34 percent in California. The poll's margin of error is 2.9 percentage points.
"California could be Romney's last stand," Zogby said. "If he wins there, it may not be a whole new ballgame, but it can give those Republicans who oppose McCain hope they still have a chance to stop him."
The Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby tracking poll surveyed the presidential races in both parties in California, New Jersey and Missouri. The polls, taken Thursday through Saturday, also included the Republican race in New York and the Democratic race in Georgia. Polling will continue through Monday.
Seesaw battles
Both parties have staged tight, seesawing battles for the nominations for November's presidential election. Clinton, the New York senator, and Obama split the first four Democratic contests -- Obama won Iowa and South Carolina, while Clinton won New Hampshire and Nevada.
In California, the poll found Obama led Clinton by 45 percent to 41 percent, with a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points. Clinton held statistically insignificant 1-point leads on Obama in New Jersey and Missouri, well within the margin of error of 3.4 percentage points in both surveys.
Both candidates have established a strong base of support and are holding on to it ahead of Tuesday's voting, the poll found. Clinton leads among women, Hispanics and elderly voters. Obama leads among blacks, men and young voters.
"They are running very close, essentially evenly split, among most of the rest of the sub-groups," Zogby said. "It is a very tight, very contested race on almost every level."
In the Republican race, McCain is riding a wave of momentum after consecutive wins over Romney in South Carolina and Florida, and is hoping a strong showing on Tuesday will put him on the path to the nomination.
He held big leads over Romney in New York, 49 percent to 23 percent, and in New Jersey, 54 percent to 23 percent. In Missouri, McCain led former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, 36 percent to 27 percent, with Romney running third at 22 percent.
The margins of error in New York and Missouri were 3.3 percentage points, and in New Jersey it was 3.4 percentage points.
The key for candidates in both parties is to win delegates, who vote on the nominees at this summer's national party conventions. More than half of the total Democratic delegates are up for grabs on Tuesday, and about 40 percent of the Republican delegates.
Unlike Republicans, though, Democrats distribute delegates in proportion to their vote statewide and in individual congressional districts. That means candidates can come away with big chunks of delegates even in states they lose.
As a result, neither Obama nor Clinton are likely to deal a knockout blow on Tuesday, prolonging their battle for the nomination to later contests in February, or to March and beyond.
In contrast, most Republican contests are winner-take-all when awarding delegates, meaning a strong day by McCain could give him a commanding lead.
Znaci od vecih drzava u utorak Clintonova znacajno vodi u New Yorku i Massachussettsu, a Obama u Illonoisu i Georgiji, dok su California i New Jersey izjednaceni. Ostalo jos 2 dana.
Poll: Clinton, Obama neck-and-neck
Ahead of Super Tuesday, Democratic hopefuls virtually tied in big states
WASHINGTON - Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are running neck-and-neck in California, New Jersey and Missouri two days before the sprawling "Super Tuesday" presidential showdown, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Sunday.
Obama has a slight lead in California and is virtually tied with Clinton in New Jersey and Missouri heading into the biggest day of voting in a U.S. presidential nominating campaign, with contests in 24 states from coast to coast.
"It looks like we have some serious horse races going on with Clinton and Obama," said pollster John Zogby said. "However it turns out, we can be pretty sure it is too close to be resolved on Tuesday."
Obama, an Illinois senator who would be the first black U.S. president, has a comfortable 20-point lead in Georgia fueled by a more than 3-to-1 advantage over Clinton among black voters.
In the Republican race, Arizona Sen. John McCain has double-digit leads on Mitt Romney in New York, New Jersey and Missouri but narrowly trails the former Massachusetts governor in California, the biggest prize on "Super Tuesday."
Romney leads McCain by 37 percent to 34 percent in California. The poll's margin of error is 2.9 percentage points.
"California could be Romney's last stand," Zogby said. "If he wins there, it may not be a whole new ballgame, but it can give those Republicans who oppose McCain hope they still have a chance to stop him."
The Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby tracking poll surveyed the presidential races in both parties in California, New Jersey and Missouri. The polls, taken Thursday through Saturday, also included the Republican race in New York and the Democratic race in Georgia. Polling will continue through Monday.
Seesaw battles
Both parties have staged tight, seesawing battles for the nominations for November's presidential election. Clinton, the New York senator, and Obama split the first four Democratic contests -- Obama won Iowa and South Carolina, while Clinton won New Hampshire and Nevada.
In California, the poll found Obama led Clinton by 45 percent to 41 percent, with a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points. Clinton held statistically insignificant 1-point leads on Obama in New Jersey and Missouri, well within the margin of error of 3.4 percentage points in both surveys.
Both candidates have established a strong base of support and are holding on to it ahead of Tuesday's voting, the poll found. Clinton leads among women, Hispanics and elderly voters. Obama leads among blacks, men and young voters.
"They are running very close, essentially evenly split, among most of the rest of the sub-groups," Zogby said. "It is a very tight, very contested race on almost every level."
In the Republican race, McCain is riding a wave of momentum after consecutive wins over Romney in South Carolina and Florida, and is hoping a strong showing on Tuesday will put him on the path to the nomination.
He held big leads over Romney in New York, 49 percent to 23 percent, and in New Jersey, 54 percent to 23 percent. In Missouri, McCain led former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, 36 percent to 27 percent, with Romney running third at 22 percent.
The margins of error in New York and Missouri were 3.3 percentage points, and in New Jersey it was 3.4 percentage points.
The key for candidates in both parties is to win delegates, who vote on the nominees at this summer's national party conventions. More than half of the total Democratic delegates are up for grabs on Tuesday, and about 40 percent of the Republican delegates.
Unlike Republicans, though, Democrats distribute delegates in proportion to their vote statewide and in individual congressional districts. That means candidates can come away with big chunks of delegates even in states they lose.
As a result, neither Obama nor Clinton are likely to deal a knockout blow on Tuesday, prolonging their battle for the nomination to later contests in February, or to March and beyond.
In contrast, most Republican contests are winner-take-all when awarding delegates, meaning a strong day by McCain could give him a commanding lead.
Znaci od vecih drzava u utorak Clintonova znacajno vodi u New Yorku i Massachussettsu, a Obama u Illonoisu i Georgiji, dok su California i New Jersey izjednaceni. Ostalo jos 2 dana.
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walkabout
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#582
Jedva nekako pregurasmo izbore u Srbiji (pesak ubola temu, zavrzlama briljirala komentarima - ah ove zemske 
), evo na amerikanskim dolazi Super Chooseday 
, sapunicama nikad kraja...
Ima li kakvih prognoza?
Neki dan vidjoh Obamu i Hillary skupa na TV (prodaju zajednishtvo stranke him u njihke), valjda i oni skontali na sta idu Republikanci...
McCain postaje polako jedini kandidat, eno i Arnijeva hanuma ga poduprla. Izgleda da mu se isplatilo sto je u proslosti odstupio na vrijeme i nije smetao "jednom drugom kandidatu" pa mu sad to braca vracaju...
Na isto vracanje duga cilja i Arni koji josh sanja predsjednicke snove (prvi non-umerican da bidne
) pa ga je podrzao u vrlo odsudnom trenutku...i podebljao sa podrskom hanume mu u njega... 
... koja usput nosi Demokratsko prezime ... mozda koji Joe Average bidne zbunjen...
Da, i da se ne zaboravi - demokratija je dobra onoliko koliko se u nju vjeruje...
), evo na amerikanskim dolazi Super Chooseday , sapunicama nikad kraja... Ima li kakvih prognoza?
Neki dan vidjoh Obamu i Hillary skupa na TV (prodaju zajednishtvo stranke him u njihke), valjda i oni skontali na sta idu Republikanci...
McCain postaje polako jedini kandidat, eno i Arnijeva hanuma ga poduprla. Izgleda da mu se isplatilo sto je u proslosti odstupio na vrijeme i nije smetao "jednom drugom kandidatu" pa mu sad to braca vracaju...
Na isto vracanje duga cilja i Arni koji josh sanja predsjednicke snove (prvi non-umerican da bidne
) pa ga je podrzao u vrlo odsudnom trenutku...i podebljao sa podrskom hanume mu u njega... ... koja usput nosi Demokratsko prezime ... mozda koji Joe Average bidne zbunjen... Da, i da se ne zaboravi - demokratija je dobra onoliko koliko se u nju vjeruje...
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callmethebreeeze
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#584
mozda se uplitanje bila odrzai negativno na hilari pa obama opet uzme.
za nadati se je, iako meni hilari ni blizu nije mrska kao pojedinim, samo mi je brat obama drazi
za nadati se je, iako meni hilari ni blizu nije mrska kao pojedinim, samo mi je brat obama drazi
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jeza u ledja
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#586
@ walkabout, ispravka, Arnijeva zena, demokrata i Kennedijeva necaka, je podrzala Obamu.
Bogami, nesto se desava.
Sa SiEnEn.
Democrats in dead heat going into Super Tuesday
(CNN) -- With a new poll showing their race to be in a virtual dead heat nationally, the Democratic presidential candidates are making their final pitches Monday to voters in nearly two dozen states before Super Tuesday.
Sen. Barack Obama has erased Sen. Hillary Clinton's lead among Democrats nationally, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll out Monday. The two are in a virtual tie, with Obama at 49 percent and Clinton at 46 percent.
With a sampling error of 4.5 percentage points, that margin is too close to say for sure which Democrat is in the lead.
The survey represents a dramatic turnaround in the race from a few months ago when Clinton had a significant edge over Obama.
In a January 14-17 CNN/Opinion Research poll, Clinton led Obama 42 percent to 33 percent. It also had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.
A national "poll of polls" calculated by CNN that averages five national polls finds Clinton ahead of Obama by two percentage points -- 45 percent to 43 percent. Those five surveys were done by CNN/Opinion Research, Gallup, Pew, ABC and CBS.
These findings come as a day before 22 states and American Samoa hold Democratic primaries or caucuses, including large states such as California, New York and Illinois. Voters will determine how more than 40 percent of the national convention delegates, 1,681, will be allocated between the candidates. That figure is less than 400 shy of the 2,025 needed to clinch the nomination.
Obama has not only caught up to Clinton in national surveys but also in California, the most populous state.
A Field Research Corp. poll released Sunday shows Clinton with a statistically insignificant lead of two percentage points over Obama, 36 percent to 34 percent, in the state. Eighteen percent of California Democrats have yet to make up their minds, the survey found.
Most polls two weeks ago showed Clinton with a double-digit lead there. The latest poll's margin of error is 4.5 percentage points. Watch how California could sway the race »
Obama's California campaign received a boost Sunday when the state's first lady, Maria Shriver, endorsed the Illinois Democrat. Shriver's husband, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, is backing Sen. John McCain in the Republican presidential race.
Shriver's uncle, Sen. Edward Kennedy, and Caroline Kennedy, President Kennedy's daughter, both made highly publicized endorsement of Obama last week.
"Coming out of his overwhelming victory in South Carolina and followed quickly by his Kennedy family endorsements, Obama clearly has the momentum in this campaign," said Bill Schneider, CNN's senior political analyst.
Ludilo ludilo!!!
Bogami, nesto se desava.
Sa SiEnEn.
Democrats in dead heat going into Super Tuesday
(CNN) -- With a new poll showing their race to be in a virtual dead heat nationally, the Democratic presidential candidates are making their final pitches Monday to voters in nearly two dozen states before Super Tuesday.
Sen. Barack Obama has erased Sen. Hillary Clinton's lead among Democrats nationally, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll out Monday. The two are in a virtual tie, with Obama at 49 percent and Clinton at 46 percent.
With a sampling error of 4.5 percentage points, that margin is too close to say for sure which Democrat is in the lead.
The survey represents a dramatic turnaround in the race from a few months ago when Clinton had a significant edge over Obama.
In a January 14-17 CNN/Opinion Research poll, Clinton led Obama 42 percent to 33 percent. It also had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.
A national "poll of polls" calculated by CNN that averages five national polls finds Clinton ahead of Obama by two percentage points -- 45 percent to 43 percent. Those five surveys were done by CNN/Opinion Research, Gallup, Pew, ABC and CBS.
These findings come as a day before 22 states and American Samoa hold Democratic primaries or caucuses, including large states such as California, New York and Illinois. Voters will determine how more than 40 percent of the national convention delegates, 1,681, will be allocated between the candidates. That figure is less than 400 shy of the 2,025 needed to clinch the nomination.
Obama has not only caught up to Clinton in national surveys but also in California, the most populous state.
A Field Research Corp. poll released Sunday shows Clinton with a statistically insignificant lead of two percentage points over Obama, 36 percent to 34 percent, in the state. Eighteen percent of California Democrats have yet to make up their minds, the survey found.
Most polls two weeks ago showed Clinton with a double-digit lead there. The latest poll's margin of error is 4.5 percentage points. Watch how California could sway the race »
Obama's California campaign received a boost Sunday when the state's first lady, Maria Shriver, endorsed the Illinois Democrat. Shriver's husband, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, is backing Sen. John McCain in the Republican presidential race.
Shriver's uncle, Sen. Edward Kennedy, and Caroline Kennedy, President Kennedy's daughter, both made highly publicized endorsement of Obama last week.
"Coming out of his overwhelming victory in South Carolina and followed quickly by his Kennedy family endorsements, Obama clearly has the momentum in this campaign," said Bill Schneider, CNN's senior political analyst.
Ludilo ludilo!!!
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callmethebreeeze
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#587
ja moram postaviti jedno neuko pitanje;
ako hilara bude prva kolike su sanse da obama bude vice? da li je u igri neko drugi?
isto me zanima ko ce biti vice ako obama bude prvi, pretpostavljam da hilari ne bi pristala na to.
ako hilara bude prva kolike su sanse da obama bude vice? da li je u igri neko drugi?
isto me zanima ko ce biti vice ako obama bude prvi, pretpostavljam da hilari ne bi pristala na to.
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danas
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#589
sanse su nikakve -- vice je uglavnom neko iz drzava koje ti nisu 'partijski garantovane'. obama je iz ilinoisa, oni uvijek glasaju demokrate, nema ona koristi onda od njega.callmethebreeeze wrote:ja moram postaviti jedno neuko pitanje;
ako hilara bude prva kolike su sanse da obama bude vice? da li je u igri neko drugi?
isto me zanima ko ce biti vice ako obama bude prvi, pretpostavljam da hilari ne bi pristala na to.
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ok, zanima me samo da li onaj ko bude izabran za predsjednickog kandidata bira ko ce biti vice?!pitt wrote:ma kakvi obama za vice. Ona je osvetoljubljiva kucka....ne bi obama imao pristupa tu. A koliko znam, niko od demokrata nece biti ni pretjerano zainteresovan da bude VP.....u magicnom trouglu za Hilary i Bilom.
misli, da li je teortski moguce da al gore bude kandidovan za podpredsjednika iako ne ucestvuje u primaris?
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Neki dan kad je bila debata to su ih pitali, oni su nesto uctivo promrmljali.callmethebreeeze wrote:ja moram postaviti jedno neuko pitanje;
ako hilara bude prva kolike su sanse da obama bude vice? da li je u igri neko drugi?
isto me zanima ko ce biti vice ako obama bude prvi, pretpostavljam da hilari ne bi pristala na to.
Politicki komentatori su odgovorili da misle da su vece sanse da bi Clintonova izabrala Obamu kao vice, nego on nju, zato sto kao kad biras podpredsjednika hoces da imas nekog koga ljudi ne mrze i ko ce privuci odredjeni broj ljudi sa strane, kao npr Edwards, koga skoro sam siguran bi Obama izabrao. (Iskreno, za mene bi to bio dream ticket.)
Clintonovu gotovo niko ne podrzava u smislu popularnosti. Ona je dio 'establishmenta' i ima masineriju iza sebe i tako dobija glasove. Npr, neki dan sam slusao neke Republikance kako govore da vise gotive Obamu nego nju, jer kad on prica nemaju osjecaj da ih on mrzi, a kad Hillary prica tacno dobijes osjecaj da Republikance smatra zatucanim seljacinama. (kao sto da budemo iskreni, vecina nas stvarno misli
)Helem, mislim da su sanse za to male. Ako Obama izgubi, mislim da bi ga Hillary htjela, ali on ne bi pristao, a ako on pobjedi trazice nekog drugog, vjerovatno Edwardsa. Ali ko zna.
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Da, kandidat sam bira svog vice-a.callmethebreeeze wrote:ok, zanima me samo da li onaj ko bude izabran za predsjednickog kandidata bira ko ce biti vice?!pitt wrote:ma kakvi obama za vice. Ona je osvetoljubljiva kucka....ne bi obama imao pristupa tu. A koliko znam, niko od demokrata nece biti ni pretjerano zainteresovan da bude VP.....u magicnom trouglu za Hilary i Bilom.
misli, da li je teortski moguce da al gore bude kandidovan za podpredsjednika iako ne ucestvuje u primaris?
Za Al Gorea ne znam, ali mislim da on nece sigurno ponovo biti 'vice'. Ne znam mozda cak postoje neke restrikcije za to, posto je to vec bio 8 godina?!
Obama/Edwards, pazi sta ti kazem.
Clintonova bi uzela nekog poznatiog senatora a ala Richardson ili Biden.
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#594
to sam i ja cuo. bio je nedavno jako znaimljiv clanak u the economist.u o tome kako bilovo ucesce i napadi na obamu mogu voditi ka tome da hilary izgubi simpatije.pitt wrote:Richards mozda.....sinoc se sa billom grli i ljubi
Gore nece sigurno......on sa hilary nije mogao ni dok je bio billov #2.
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#595
ma bilo je vise clanaka o tome. On joj je najveci adut ali i najveci problem.
Odlican clanak od Peggy Noona iz vikend zurnala:D
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A Rebellion and an Awkward Embrace
By PEGGY NOONAN
February 1, 2008; Page W14
In the most exciting and confounding election cycle of my lifetime, Rudy Giuliani, the Prince of the City, is out because he was about to lose New York, John Edwards is out, the Clintons are fighting for their historical reputations, and the stalwart conservative New York Post has come out strong and stinging for Barack Obama. If you had asked me in December if I would write that sentence in February, I would have said: Um, no.
If there is a part of you that loves politics, loves the sheer brunt force of it, the great game of it, you are waking up each morning with a spring in your step. "What happened last night?"
Both races continue to clarify, if not resolve. On the Democratic side, a great rebellion, a coming together of former officials, members of the commenting class, and the Kennedy family to stand athwart the Clintonian future and say, Stop. They are saying, as Jack Kennedy did when pressed to endorse a hack for governor of Massachusetts, "Sometimes party loyalty asks too much."
On the Republican side an embrace, but an awkward and unfinished one. It's like the man-hug the pol at the podium now feels he must give to the man he's just introduced. They used to just shake and say, "Thanks, Bob," and go to the podium. Now they embrace, with an always apparent self-consciousness. Can you imagine JFK doing this? Or Reagan?
It is this kind of embrace many in the Republican party are giving John McCain. He has real supporters. He keeps winning. But he's not getting even close to half the vote, as the presumptive nominee should. And he has been at odds with his party on so many things.
* * *
As much attention as the decision of the stars of the Kennedy family to endorse Sen. Obama received this week, it has still not been given its due. This was a break with the establishment and from the expected, and it may carry a price. The Clintons are deeply wired into their party, they run many money lines and power lines, and Hillary Clinton is still, in the Super Tuesday states, in the lead. Will the lives of those who rebelled against her be made more pleasant if she wins? The Clintons have never had the wit to be forgiving.
But all parties, all movements, need men and women who will come forward every decade or so to name tendencies within that are abusive or destructive, to throw off the low and grubby. Teddy's speech in this regard was a barnburner. He went straight against the negative and bullying, hard for the need to find inspiration again.
He is an old lion of his party, a hero of the base. But people do what they know how to do, and objects at rest tend to stay at rest, and Teddy has long led a comfortable life as a party panjandrum who knew to sit back and watch as the dog barked and the caravan moved on. In a way he seemed to rebel against his own tendencies. He put himself on the line.
"I love this country," he said, "I believe in the bright light of hope and possibility. I always have."
As a conservative I would say Ted Kennedy has spent much of his career being not just wrong about the issues but so deeply wrong, so consistently and reliably wrong that it had a kind of grandeur to it. So wrong that I cannot actually think of a single serious policy question on which I agreed with him. But I remember the night President Reagan spoke of Sen. Kennedy's brother at a fund-raiser for the JFK Library, and I remember the letter Reagan got from Teddy. "Your presence itself was such a magnificent tribute to my brother. . . . The country is well served by your eloquent graceful leadership, Mr. President." He ended it, "With my prayers and thanks for you as you lead us through these difficult times."
Liberals are rarely interested in pointing out, and conservatives by and large may not know, but everyone who knows Teddy Kennedy knows that he holds a deep love for his country, that he feels a reverence for the presidency and a desire that America be represented with grace abroad and stature at home. He has seen administrations come and go. And maybe much of what he's learned came forward, came together, this week.
His principled and uncompromising rebellion seemed to me a patriotic act, and adds to the rising tide of Geffenism. When David Geffen broke with Mrs. Clinton last summer, and couched his disapproval along ethical lines, he was almost alone among important Democrats. It took some guts. Now others are joining his side. Good.
* * *
The Republican contest may well end on Tuesday, but I sense little relief and much unease. In terms of avowed programs, policies and approaches, Mitt Romney was the more conservative candidate, and his even-keeled air won many friends. He offered executive experience and business acumen. As for how he came across, here is Mike Deaver on Ronald Reagan: "This is a face that when the baby sees it, the baby smiles."
His supporters tell me he will fight to the end. The conservative establishment still has hopes. But the great unruly base may be doing some redefining.
If you go by the Florida returns, maybe this year positions aren't everything. Republicans on the ground think the conservative is the one who suffered 5½ years in the Hanoi Hilton. Republicans on the ground think the conservative is the one who has endured a lifetime in the rounds in Washington and survived as antispending, antiabortion and pro-military. Republicans on the ground think the conservative is the old fighter jock who'll keep the country safe in a rocky time ahead. And maybe Republicans on the ground are saying: He earned it.
The conventional wisdom is Mr. Romney can't win it while Mike Huckabee's in it. If Mr. Huckabee dropped out, Mr. Romney might pick up his conservatives. But Mr. Huckabee seems very happy running, and perhaps happy thinking of his future as the Mitt slayer in the party of John.
Mr. McCain seems to me to have two immediate problems, both of which he might address. One is that he doesn't seem to much like conservatives, and never has. They can't help admire him, but they've disagreed with him on so many issues, and when they bring this up his demeanor tends to morph into the second problem: He radiates, he telegraphs, a certain indignation at being questioned by people who've never had to vote in Congress and make a deal. He's like Moe Greene in "The Godfather," when Michael Corleone tells him he's going to buy him out. "Do you know who I am? I'm Moe Greene. I made my bones when you were going out with cheerleaders." I've been on the firing line, punk. I am the voice of surviving conservatism.
This doesn't always go over so well. Mr. Giuliani seems to know Mr. McCain is Moe Greene. Mr. Huckabee probably thought "The Godfather" was kinda violent. Mr. Romney may be thinking to himself, But Michael Corleone won in the end, and had better suits.
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A Rebellion and an Awkward Embrace
By PEGGY NOONAN
February 1, 2008; Page W14
In the most exciting and confounding election cycle of my lifetime, Rudy Giuliani, the Prince of the City, is out because he was about to lose New York, John Edwards is out, the Clintons are fighting for their historical reputations, and the stalwart conservative New York Post has come out strong and stinging for Barack Obama. If you had asked me in December if I would write that sentence in February, I would have said: Um, no.
If there is a part of you that loves politics, loves the sheer brunt force of it, the great game of it, you are waking up each morning with a spring in your step. "What happened last night?"
Both races continue to clarify, if not resolve. On the Democratic side, a great rebellion, a coming together of former officials, members of the commenting class, and the Kennedy family to stand athwart the Clintonian future and say, Stop. They are saying, as Jack Kennedy did when pressed to endorse a hack for governor of Massachusetts, "Sometimes party loyalty asks too much."
On the Republican side an embrace, but an awkward and unfinished one. It's like the man-hug the pol at the podium now feels he must give to the man he's just introduced. They used to just shake and say, "Thanks, Bob," and go to the podium. Now they embrace, with an always apparent self-consciousness. Can you imagine JFK doing this? Or Reagan?
It is this kind of embrace many in the Republican party are giving John McCain. He has real supporters. He keeps winning. But he's not getting even close to half the vote, as the presumptive nominee should. And he has been at odds with his party on so many things.
* * *
As much attention as the decision of the stars of the Kennedy family to endorse Sen. Obama received this week, it has still not been given its due. This was a break with the establishment and from the expected, and it may carry a price. The Clintons are deeply wired into their party, they run many money lines and power lines, and Hillary Clinton is still, in the Super Tuesday states, in the lead. Will the lives of those who rebelled against her be made more pleasant if she wins? The Clintons have never had the wit to be forgiving.
But all parties, all movements, need men and women who will come forward every decade or so to name tendencies within that are abusive or destructive, to throw off the low and grubby. Teddy's speech in this regard was a barnburner. He went straight against the negative and bullying, hard for the need to find inspiration again.
He is an old lion of his party, a hero of the base. But people do what they know how to do, and objects at rest tend to stay at rest, and Teddy has long led a comfortable life as a party panjandrum who knew to sit back and watch as the dog barked and the caravan moved on. In a way he seemed to rebel against his own tendencies. He put himself on the line.
"I love this country," he said, "I believe in the bright light of hope and possibility. I always have."
As a conservative I would say Ted Kennedy has spent much of his career being not just wrong about the issues but so deeply wrong, so consistently and reliably wrong that it had a kind of grandeur to it. So wrong that I cannot actually think of a single serious policy question on which I agreed with him. But I remember the night President Reagan spoke of Sen. Kennedy's brother at a fund-raiser for the JFK Library, and I remember the letter Reagan got from Teddy. "Your presence itself was such a magnificent tribute to my brother. . . . The country is well served by your eloquent graceful leadership, Mr. President." He ended it, "With my prayers and thanks for you as you lead us through these difficult times."
Liberals are rarely interested in pointing out, and conservatives by and large may not know, but everyone who knows Teddy Kennedy knows that he holds a deep love for his country, that he feels a reverence for the presidency and a desire that America be represented with grace abroad and stature at home. He has seen administrations come and go. And maybe much of what he's learned came forward, came together, this week.
His principled and uncompromising rebellion seemed to me a patriotic act, and adds to the rising tide of Geffenism. When David Geffen broke with Mrs. Clinton last summer, and couched his disapproval along ethical lines, he was almost alone among important Democrats. It took some guts. Now others are joining his side. Good.
* * *
The Republican contest may well end on Tuesday, but I sense little relief and much unease. In terms of avowed programs, policies and approaches, Mitt Romney was the more conservative candidate, and his even-keeled air won many friends. He offered executive experience and business acumen. As for how he came across, here is Mike Deaver on Ronald Reagan: "This is a face that when the baby sees it, the baby smiles."
His supporters tell me he will fight to the end. The conservative establishment still has hopes. But the great unruly base may be doing some redefining.
If you go by the Florida returns, maybe this year positions aren't everything. Republicans on the ground think the conservative is the one who suffered 5½ years in the Hanoi Hilton. Republicans on the ground think the conservative is the one who has endured a lifetime in the rounds in Washington and survived as antispending, antiabortion and pro-military. Republicans on the ground think the conservative is the old fighter jock who'll keep the country safe in a rocky time ahead. And maybe Republicans on the ground are saying: He earned it.
The conventional wisdom is Mr. Romney can't win it while Mike Huckabee's in it. If Mr. Huckabee dropped out, Mr. Romney might pick up his conservatives. But Mr. Huckabee seems very happy running, and perhaps happy thinking of his future as the Mitt slayer in the party of John.
Mr. McCain seems to me to have two immediate problems, both of which he might address. One is that he doesn't seem to much like conservatives, and never has. They can't help admire him, but they've disagreed with him on so many issues, and when they bring this up his demeanor tends to morph into the second problem: He radiates, he telegraphs, a certain indignation at being questioned by people who've never had to vote in Congress and make a deal. He's like Moe Greene in "The Godfather," when Michael Corleone tells him he's going to buy him out. "Do you know who I am? I'm Moe Greene. I made my bones when you were going out with cheerleaders." I've been on the firing line, punk. I am the voice of surviving conservatism.
This doesn't always go over so well. Mr. Giuliani seems to know Mr. McCain is Moe Greene. Mr. Huckabee probably thought "The Godfather" was kinda violent. Mr. Romney may be thinking to himself, But Michael Corleone won in the end, and had better suits.
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#596
Mislis Richardson ili?pitt wrote:Richards mozda.....sinoc se sa billom grli i ljubi
Gore nece sigurno......on sa hilary nije mogao ni dok je bio billov #2.
Ma on je bio neka faca u Clintonovoj administraciji, ne sjecam se vise sta. Plus zadovoljava 'kriterij' da je iz drugog dijela zemlje (New Mexico). Meni se dopada recimo Biden, vrlo vrlo pametan chova.
Zamislite ticket Obama/Ted Kennedy.
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#598
Vec se zna....guverner moje drzave Phil Bredesenpitt wrote:Richards mozda.....sinoc se sa billom grli i ljubi
Gore nece sigurno......on sa hilary nije mogao ni dok je bio billov #2.
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#599
FFK as Lucy01 wrote:Vec se zna....guverner moje drzave Phil Bredesenpitt wrote:Richards mozda.....sinoc se sa billom grli i ljubi
Gore nece sigurno......on sa hilary nije mogao ni dok je bio billov #2.
e bas smo se usrecili onda
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#600
Tek sad procitah ovaj tvoj clanak. Ma fakat, za mene je Teddy stvarno ljudina. Velika je stvar sto je podrzao Obamu, malte ne negdje u rangu sa tim sto ga podrzava Oprah. Hehe, salim se, ali fakat, ta paralela via Teddy: JFK=Obama pravo odzvanja i mislim da bi imala ogroman efekat come November.
Nesto sam gledao, Obama (46) je ubjedljivo najmladji kandidat od svih ucesnika na prajmariz (njih jedno 15-ak) u obje stranke. Jeste neiskusan, ali nesto ima tu sto zraci optimizmom. Clintonova, a ni niko drugi for that matter - to nema.
Hehe, salim se, ali fakat, ta paralela via Teddy: JFK=Obama pravo odzvanja i mislim da bi imala ogroman efekat come November. Nesto sam gledao, Obama (46) je ubjedljivo najmladji kandidat od svih ucesnika na prajmariz (njih jedno 15-ak) u obje stranke. Jeste neiskusan, ali nesto ima tu sto zraci optimizmom. Clintonova, a ni niko drugi for that matter - to nema.