Kat wrote:
Za tebe ako je Turska stranica odmah ne valja. Meni je sasvim OK.
Tvoje misljenje sigurno necu promijenti, ali si bar nesto naucio (vezano za Hitlera).
Americki diplomata koji se tako lijepo brine o Armenima (nije on bas bio tako beznacajan lik kao sto hoces reci), imao je u svojoj zemlji priliku da progovori o zlocinima i genocidu, bio je savremenik osvajanja Havaje i svega sto je slijedilo, npr.
Svabo sad palamudi kad treba nesto izganjati od Turske i onda se koristi genocid kao pritisak.
Nad Armenima je pocinjen zlocin, a sad zbog cega i kako bi mogla historija dokazati , a ne neke rezolucije koje se usvajaju po politickoj potrebi.
O Srbima i njihovom genocidu, donio je Haski sud presudu, znaci bilo je sudjenje, presuda Krsticu npr., tako da ne vazi ono sto pricas.
Za dogadjaje iz 1915 nije donesena sudska presuda i pored cinjenice da je odrzano sudjenje u Istanbulu koji je bio pod okupacijom.
Srebrenica je grad, imena gradova se pisu velikim slovom.
Stranica je u funkciji progande ondosno, nista drugo nego neka web stranica - blog, ja sam ti stavljao dokumenta da dokazem da to nije bio sukob, nego jednostrano etnicko ciscenje.
Amerikanci, Njemci ili bilo tko drugo nisu uopste bitni za cijelu ovu pricu, te ne znam zasto ih spominjes. Vazni su samo njihovi dokumenti do kojih mogu doci. Bio je i Alija savremenik Madica i Karadica pa mu to opet nije nesto puno pomoglo da uvede reda u vlastitoj drzavi.
Svabo sad palamudi kad treba nesto izganjati od Turske i onda se koristi genocid kao pritisak.
Kakve veze ima genocid sa Njemcima?
Bolan nije Njemacka jedina drzava koja je priznala genocid.
Zasto pokasavas plasirat tu neku ideju da ovo Njemaka radi samo da nasteti Turskoj.?
Kakve koristi ima Cile koji je priznao genocid? Ili Urugvaj, Paragvaj, Bolivija te bruku jos drugih drzava.
Sto vrijeme bude vise odmicalo to ce genocid biti medunarodno priznatiji, i poznatiji zahvaljujuci Turskoj proagandi, koja sebi pravi negativan PR.
Za dogadjaje iz 1915 nije donesena sudska presuda i pored cinjenice da je odrzano sudjenje u Istanbulu koji je bio pod okupacijom.
Je li stvarno nije donesena!?
The verdict of the Turkish courts-martial of 1919–20 acknowledged the Armenian Genocide (then known as "war crimes"), and sentenced the perpetrators to death.[89] However, in 1921, during the resurgence of the Turkish National Movement, amnesty was given to those found guilty. Thereafter, the successive Turkish government, under Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, adopted a policy of denial.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_ ... ecognition
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Addendum to "Report of an inhabitant of Athlit,
Mount Carmel, Syria."
[November 27, 1916]
The writer, when speaking of the treatment meted out to the Armenians by the Turks since the beginning of the war, fears that he will be accused of exaggeration. He has kept this view when describing atrocities committed by the Turks.
The writer has not been in Armenia proper, but has lived in Syria since the war began and has visited Konia and Constantinople, and has many acquaintances, including Germans.
Armenians dying along the railway.
There were a number of reports of thousands of Armenians lying dead by the side of the railway between Anatolia and Syria, and the writer is able to corroborate these rumours by accounts given by his sister, who travelled from Constantinople to Palestine in December 1915.
The state of Armenians ordered south.
She saw the bodies of hundreds of Armenian men, women and children lying on both sides of the railway. Sometimes Turkish women were seen searching the corpses for anything that might be of value, at other times dogs were observed feeding on the bodies. There were hundreds of bleached skeletons.
At either Gulek or Osmania she saw thousands of starving and fever stricken Armenians. They had been ordered southward, but had been provided with no transport and had been waiting there for weeks. They were lying about the station, on the sides and some on the track itself. Some were jostled on to the line when the train arrived, and the engine ran over them, to the joy of the engine driver, who shouted to his friends: "Did you see how I smashed about of these Armenian swine?".
Slave markets.
In the track of the Armenians, as they were driven along, female slave markets were established. The price of an Armenian girl from 12 to 14 years of age was from 2 mejidias to £1 (Turkish). The writer saw such a market in Damascus, and he was told by his relatives in Aleppo, and by American Missionaries, that thousands of young klix had been sold in open markets. The so-called intellectual leaders of the Moslem world, the Khojas, Ulemas, Padis, and Muftis, were not slow to avail themselves of the opportunities that these markets offered, and these frequently saved their pockets and increased the numbers of their slaves by claiming to have made converts, in which case no money transaction was demanded.
Conversion to Islam.
These alleged converts were usually young women, who were driven into harems, ostensibly for the purpose of being instructed in the "true faith"! Conversion to Islam was attempted on a large scale, among men as well as women, and with some success amongst those Armenians from certain parts of the Caucasus who had long practiced Turkish customs, and whose belief in Christianity was not deeply rooted. But the writer knows of a number of educated and wealthy Armenians of Constantinople and the coast towns who have professed their conversion. The latter seem, however, to have taken this step in the hope of preserving at least some of their property from confiscation.
Armenians in Constantinople.
Orders were issued that only Armenians who had been born in Constantinople would be allowed to remain there. This was a signal for a house-to-house search by the police, as well as arrests in the open streets. The witness has seen batches of Armenians being led through the streets, the victims of the zeal of the police in fulfilling this order. The raids are usually carried out at night, but he saw a wealthy and influential Armenian arrested in broad daylight and hurried away. Nothing more is seen or heard of those whom the police take. Unfortunately there are some Armenians who act as police spies and sell their countrymen.
The writer can give details of hundreds of young Armenian klix who have become prostitutes in Constantinople - the only means left to them by which they can support their parents. One he quotes in particular, a well-bred girl recently married, whose husband was killed before her eyes, and who was driven to her present position only after months of struggling to live decently.
The writer considers that the reason for this treatment of the Armenians is that they are an easy prey, and that Mohammedans, rich or poor, high or low, are by nature wedded to murder and robbery. The Turk in addition is still an invader who treats others under his power as subject races.
The Armenians morally and economically are utterly ruined; probably the most industrious and thrifty race in the Turkish Empire (and it is a Jew who described them as such) has ceased to exist.
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