Margita81 wrote:gvozderkov wrote:Mislim da je fazon u samo jednoj stvari-drzava mnogo vise gubi jer pusaci kostaju zdravstveni sistem jako mnogo..vise svakako nego sto zaradi na istim cigaretama.
Meni na kutiji pise da pusaci umiru mladi. Ako krenemo od te pretopstavke kao i od toga da umiru od raka pluca (najprogresivniji rak, čije su prognoze max 5 godina) i srcanog udara (u glavnom trenutna smrt, 1 od 13 je vjerovatnoca prezivljavanja) možemo zakljuciti totalno suprotno. Velika vecina pusaca ne dozivi 65 godina i umire od bolesti koje se brzo razvijaju tj. gotovo nikako ne opterecuju zdravstveni sistem i sto je jos vaznije ne opterecuju penzioni sistem koji su uplacivali citav svoj zivotni vijek.
Sa druge strane placaju bolesno visoke takse na cigarete koje najvise pogadjaju obicne radne ljude a njima je pusenje cigarete (na pauzi, uz kafu, poslije posla) jedno od rijetkih zadovoljstava u zivotu.
Sada im treba zabraniti pusenje u privatnim kaficima i restoranima što je udar na prava pusaca kao i vlasnika objekta koji bi sam trebao odluciti da li je pusenje dozvoljeno ili ne. Neki izbjegavaju mjesta gdje se pusta turbo-folk muzika, koju takodjer smatram stetnom ali za mozak, ipak, bilo bi idiotski traziti od drzave da zabranjuje tu vrstu muzike i namece vlasnicima kafica koju muziku trebaju pustati.
Da nepusacima stvarno smeta duhanski dim izbjegavali bi mjesta gdje se pusi i automatski bi se otvorio ogroman broj nepusackih objekata koji bi zadovoljili njihove potrebe, jer su nepusaci vecina.
Ipak, cak i agresivni nepusaci biraju mjesta na kojima je vlasnik dozvolio pusenje i sjede sa pusacima a zele da im nasilno zabrane pusenje sto je krajnje licemjerno i udar na ljudsku slobodu .
Indikativno je da je nacisticka Njemacka bila prva moderna drzava koja se agresivno suprostavila pusenju, link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-toba ... zi_Germany
Naveo si rak pluca i infarkt sa fatalnim posljedicama. Medjutim pusenje steti cijelom organizmu, slabi imunitet, steti, zubima, kozi, srcu, plucima, reproduktivnim organuma, povecava znatno rizik od oboljevanja i otezava oporavak od bilo koje bolesti.
Sve ovo kosta zdravstveni sistem jako puno.
Pusenje se ne isplati nikome.
To je pritom cista droga, po mnogocemu gore od marihuane. Na kutiji cigara velikim debelim slovima pise PUSENJE UBIJA..
i ti i dalje pusis...zato jer si junky i radije bi se odreko hrane nego cigare.
Znaci pusim jer sam junky ? Vjerovatno su junky bili i neki od najvecih umova svih vremena. Naucnici, pisci, umjetnici, veliki drzavnici. Nabrojmo neke samo od njih kao i koliko su zivjeli, pretpostavicu da si cula za bar 20% od ovih "junkija":
1. Albert Einstein (pipe, cigarettes)
d. 1955, age 76, ruptured aortic aneurysm
2. Alexander Graham Bell
d. 1922, age 75, diabetes & pernicious anemia
3. Artie Shaw (cigarettes)
d. 2004, age 94, died at home after month-long illness.
4. Winston Churchill (cigars)
d. 1965, age 91, decline following series of strokes beginning age 78
5. Franklin D Roosevelt (cigarettes)
d. 1945, age 63, cerebral hemmorrhage
6. John F Kennedy (cigars, cigarettes)
d. 1963, age 46, assassination
7. Gerald Ford (pipe, reportedly 8 bowls/d)
d. 2006, age 93, from cardiovascular disease, health problems began ~ age 90. smoked at least into the 1980's.
8.George Orwell (cigarettes)
d. 1950, age 47, burst lung artery secondary to tuberculosis
9.Oscar Wilde (cigarettes)
d. 1900, age 46, meningitis & heartbreak
10. Jean-Paul Sartre (cigarettes, pipe)
d. 1980, age 75, pulmonary edema
11. 15. JR Tolkien (pipe)
d. 1973, age 81, following his wife's death, of loneliness. basically healthy until wife's death.
12. Luciano Pavarotti (cigars)
d. 2007, age 72, pancreatic cancer x 1 year.
13. John Wayne (chain-smoked cigarettes, switched to cigars & chewing tobacco after successful lung cancer surgery 1964, age 57)
d. 1979, age 72, stomach cancer x <1yr.
14. Frank Sinatra (chain-smoker, cigarettes)
d. 1998, age 83, dementia + heart attack
15. John Lennon (cigarettes, etc.)
d. 1980, age 40, assassination.
16. Ringo Starr (cigarettes)
reportedly smoked 3 packs/day for years, still living & healthy at 70.
17. 28. Jeanne Calment (cigarettes)
d. 1997, age 122, of combined causes.
one-time "oldest person in the world," oldest person to have met van gogh, smoked until age 117, reportedly two cigarettes/d.
18.Audrey Hepburn (reportedly life-long 2+ packs/d)
d. 1993, age 64, abdominal cancer originating in appendix x 3 months from diagnosis
19. Alfred Hitchcock (cigars)
d. 1980, age 81, kidney failure.
20. Pablo Picasso (cigarettes, apparently to an advanced age)
d. 1973, age 92, at a dinner party. last words reportedly: "Drink to me, drink to my health, you know I can’t drink any more.”
21. Che Guevara (cigars)
d. 1967, age 39, assassinated
22. Joseph Stalin (pipe, cigarettes)
d. 1953, age 75, official dx = stroke but ? assassination. In power & apparently healthy until his sudden death.
23.Fidel Castro (cigars, quit at age 59)
still living & making some public appearances at age 84. declining health since his mid-70s. seen by an intestinal cancer specialist in 2006 at 80 y/o. resigned his duties officially in 2008, age 82.
24. Saddam Hussein (cigars)
d. 2006, age 76, murdered by George W. Bush
25. Freddie Mercury (cigarettes, reported "heavy" smoker, quit at HIV dx)
d. 1991, age 45, AIDS.
26. Leonard Cohen (cigarettes, 2 packs/d most of his life)
was still smoking in 2001, still living while living off & on as a buddhist monk:
"He has another sip of coffee, lights another Marlboro Light...What attraction could such a sparse lifestyle have to a man who accompanies most new sentences with a freshly lit cigarette?"
has since quit.
at age 82 is still living & touring, apparently healthy after “about 500 tons of whiskey and millions of cigarettes,” & a career partly dependent on his raspy smoker's voice.
27. Frank Zappa (cigarettes)
d. 1993, age 53, prostate cancer, supposedly developing x 13 years.
FRANK ZAPPA - Well, I'm not here to impinge on anybody else's lifestyle. If I'm in a place where I know I'm going to harm somebody's health or somebody asks me to please not smoke, I just go outside and smoke. But I do resent the way the nonsmoking mentality has been imposed on the smoking minority. Because, first of all, in a democracy, minorities do have rights. And, second, the whole pitch about smoking has gone from being a health issue to a moral issue, and when they reduce something to a moral issue, it has no place in any kind of legislation, as far as I'm concerned.
JON WINOKUR - But if you look at the studies, side-stream smoke is harmful.
FRANK ZAPPA - I'm not buying the data. First of all, it comes to you from the United States government. If you thought by stamping out all tobacco smoke in the United States you were going to improve the quality of life for everybody in the country, you'd be a lunatic. The things that will really harm you, the government won't touch.
28. Sigmund Freud (cigars)
d. 1939, age 83, suicide, after 30 operations for mouth cancer x 15 years. smoked til he died. wrote to his doctor during this period:
"I have not smoked for seven weeks since the day of your injunction. At first I felt, as expected, outrageously bad. Cardiac symptoms accompanied by mild depression, as well as the horrible misery of abstinence. These wore off but left me completely incapable of working, a beaten man. After seven weeks I began smoking again...Since the first few cigars, I was able to work and was the master of my mood; before that life was unbearable."
29. Mark Twain (cigars)
d. 1910, age 75, heart attack following depression over deaths of daughter & friends, one day after Halley's comet passed by.
30. Josip Broz Tito (cigars)
d.1980, age 88, His left leg was amputated soon afterward due to arterial blockages and he died of gangrene
i tako dalje i tako dalje....
Mnoge sam izostavio ali nadam se da je i ovo dovoljno.
njima je cilj samo napuniti budžet, jal direktno, jal kroz ono što se mora usvojiti po diktatu izvana da bi se dobili novi krediti (da se dopuni budžet).
