NBA - National Basketball Association

[piskerernest]

ima boga,sinoć na obn-u nba bez mirze vilića,napokon

[rashomon]

Kako sam to propustio

Kada ide opet?

[Neelix]

ma ja ne mogu da vjerujem da hakala navija za isti tim kao i ja, nebitno koji je sport u pitanju

[rashomon]

Ja mislim da bi im najbolje bilo da umuknu i da se posvete košarci, ali eto pojedini timovi ne mogu bez pompe, koliko god ona besmislena bila...

Lakers owner Jerry Buss says he'd consider trading Kobe Bryant
October 11, 2007
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns


HONOLULU (AP) -- Kobe Bryant may get his wish after all.

Los Angeles Lakers owner Jerry Buss said he would consider trading Bryant, the NBA's scoring leader the past two seasons, under the right circumstances.

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"I would certainly listen," Buss told three Los Angeles-area beat writers covering training camp in Honolulu on Wednesday. "At any time, I think you have to do that with anybody. It's just part of the game, to listen to somebody who has a dissatisfied player that you think is going to fit.

"You can't keep too many loyalties. You've got to look at it as a business. He looks at it the same way I look at it."

Buss spoke publicly about Bryant for the first time since the Lakers' star erupted in anger late last May, complaining about a lack of talent around him at the end of last season and asking to be traded.

Buss made his comments to reporters from the Los Angeles Times, the Orange County Register and the Riverside Press-Enterprise.

The Lakers won three championships and reached the NBA finals four times in five years before Shaquille O'Neal was traded to Miami in July 2004. They haven't won a playoff series since O'Neal left.

Bryant has four years worth $88.6 million left on the seven-year contract he signed a day after O'Neal was traded, but can terminate the deal in two years. If he did so, he would be leaving $47.8 million on the table.

"I tend not to think in basketball terms that many years down the road because things change so dramatically, but he could test the waters at that point," Buss said. "If he still is in that frame of mind, then hopefully we can do a sign-and-trade and get some comparable talent. I would like to think that we win between now and then so it doesn't come up."

Following his trade request, Bryant kept a low profile regarding the Lakers until reporting with his teammates Oct. 1 on Media Day -- before the team left for Hawaii.

Bryant told reporters that frustration led to his blowup. Otherwise, he said the time had come to move forward.

Buss recalled a meeting in Barcelona not long after the trade request, when he tried to talk Bryant out of the trade request.

"He was very respectful," Buss said. "I told him when I walked in that I was going to try to talk him out of it. And he said, `I'll listen carefully.' And he did.

"He listened very carefully for 30, 45 minutes. I tried to explain to him how much the city of Los Angeles loved him, and that to leave 10 million sweethearts for unknown territory might not be the right thing to do. But when I was finished, he said he basically felt the same way. And I said, `OK. With that, I will proceed to see what's available."'

Buss didn't elaborate other than to say he might have made a move on a trade offer that was "within reason."

"You have to get comparable value when you make a trade," Buss said. "It's very hard to trade somebody like him because people who have enough material to make it worthwhile are usually contenders and they don't want to make the trade.

"What was offered was not ever under consideration. And I told him that I would try my best to accommodate his wishes, but that I could not afford to let him go unless we got comparable talent if there was such a thing. ... I even told him occasionally what I was offered and I said, `You have to know that this is not in favor of the Lakers. This would jut be terrible to do. And he would say, `I understand."'

Buss also acknowledged frustration at losing out to Boston for Kevin Garnett's services.

"I personally feel that we made a better offer than the people who were successful," he said.

The 29-year-old Bryant is about to begin his 12th NBA season -- all with the Lakers.

[Neelix]

? izdvojio si jednu od milion slicnih prica koji se objavljuju svaki dan, za sve timove.

[sesalmir]

Zna li iko kod će se znati konačni raspored prenosa u sezoni, haj ako ko šta sazna neka stavi.
btw. Da hoće kobe u bullse preći, odavno se spominje da nude bullsi duhona, gordona i nocionia, a lakersi traže denga umjesto nocionia. Ovako celticsi imaju baš prejak tim za istok, ako ne budu imali povreda prošetat će se do finala. Ali bullsi sa petorkom hinrich,kobe,deng,thomas, big ben bi bili strašni.
Ma bit će do februara tradeova sigurno, glavni kandidati kobe, J.o'neal, gasol, u biti sve zvijezde u slabim klubovima sa još većim frustracijama će biti u januaru

[Neelix]

ljudi sta vam je nece kobe nigdje. karanana ne smije da se javi dodje mi gajbu vec po toj opkladi . spreman sam se kladit bilo s kim da nece nigdje,

nego igra li ko ovdje Yahoo fantasy basketball???? dajte da napravimo ligu dok nije pocela sezona, ima li zainteresovanih

[sesalmir]

Drago mi je da neko spomenu to, ja igram Yahoo fantasy basketbal već nekoliko godina, prošle sezone sam uzeo pa sam kontao ove godine winners ligu igrat, ali ako bi nas bilo 12 radije bi ovako protiv naše raje nego tamo sa nekim japancima i kinezima da igram. Imam još dva jarana i oni igraju tako da nas je već 4.
btw. mi igramo head to head, uz naravno online draft, a kontali smo početi tamo oko 25.10. dok prođe još malo ove predsezone, možda se neko povrijedi + možda i bude tradeova.
A što se ponuđene opklade tiče, ne smijem se usuditi, jer tu je sve biznis, lakersi znaju koliko zarade na kobeu, bez kojeg bi i popularnost značajno opala, a i moja je želja da ostane jer to bi značilo još jedna sezona za ,najegoističnijeg igrača svih vremena, bez ikakvog trofeja.

[Neelix]

ja sam prosle sezone igrao u 16 liga (4 yahoo ID-a) a igram od '99 evo na ovom ID sto sam osnovao ligu, od 4 lige prosle godine 3 sam osvojio a jednu bio drugi bujrum, otvorio sam topic

[Neelix]

hakala evo nesto i za tebe rasho citaj i ti

"Love me or hate me, it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved, for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

Few athletes in the history of sports have been vilified as Kobe Bryant has. Throughout his career he’s been labeled as arrogant, self centered, aloof, a ball hog more focused on individual accolades than team success, and a rapist.

If you are a Kobe fan than you likely believe him to be not guilty of the sexual assault accusations, you do not blame him for Shaq’s departure from the Lakers, and you view his trade demands and lambasting of the Los Angeles Lakers as justified. If you abhor Kobe than you more than likely feel he was responsible for Shaq’s departure and all of the turmoil before and after Shaq’s exit. His recent trade demands further proving his self-centeredness and lack of loyalty.

"It's one or the other."

No one besides Kobe and his accuser know what happened in that Eagle, Colorado hotel room. No one. One can study the supposed physical evidence tell blue in the face but it does not prove guilt or innocence. The fact of the matter is that the case never went to trial. It never went to trial because of the klix into his accuser’s personal life and the lack of physical evidence needed to prove guilt without reasonable doubt. It is wrong to presume guilt OR innocence without due process.

After earning a 7th seed in last year’s playoffs and being eliminated by the Phoenix Suns for the second straight season, Kobe implored the Lakers to “do something, and do it now.” Shortly thereafter, a Los Angeles Times columnist quoted a Lakers "insider" as saying it was Bryant's insistence on getting away from O'Neal that prompted his trade to Miami. Bryant, infuriated at the report and feeling as if he had been misled about the Lakers apparent long-term plan to rebuild, demanded a trade.

"They said nothing to me about a long-term plan. Absolutely nothing," Bryant told KLAC. "They told Phil one thing and they told me another. Actions speak louder than words."

"Dr. Buss promised me he would rebuild right away, and I believed him," Bryant wrote. "That is why I put my trust in the Lakers.”

Kobe continued to bash the Lakers over the off-season, going as far as calling Jerry Buss an “idiot” and the Lakers front office a “mess.”

Bryant also defended himself against accusations that he forced Shaq out of LA: "The fact of the matter is that many people don't know what really went down when I was approaching free agency because I have stayed quiet about it this whole time," Bryant said. "The real facts are that Dr. Buss requested a meeting with me during the '04 season long before I opted out of my contract, and he told me he had already decided not to extend Shaq, as he was concerned about Shaq's age, fitness and contract demands. Dr. Buss made it clear that his decision was final, his mind was made up, and no matter what I decided to do with free agency, he was still going to move Shaq."

In a surprising turn of events Shaq said that he believed Bryant "100 percent."

"There is no doubt in my mind Kobe is telling the truth," O'Neal added.

Could Bryant have convinced Dr. Buss to retain Shaq? Yes. Should he have? No.

The Lakers may have won one more championship if Shaq had remained in LA (as Miami has) but they would be in the same position as the Miami Heat are in now. Miami is coming off of a first round sweep at the hands of the Chicago Bulls (a team that is nowhere close to the Phoenix Suns) and they owe 20 million per year to an aging, injury prone center. The Lakers made the right choice in looking to the future and attempting to put the right pieces around Kobe once he entered his prime. Unfortunately, they’ve haven’t followed through on that choice with continued sound decision making.

Bryant may have wanted to be “the man” but he never asked to be surrounded by the likes of Smush Parker and Kwame Brown. He didn’t ask for it and he didn’t deserve it.

Should Bryant have publicly criticized the Laker front office and called Jerry Buss an idiot? No. Have many of us criticized our employers, called our bosses unflattering names to friends and co-workers, and thought we would be better off elsewhere? Yes. The NBA is a business like any other.

Much has been made of the Lakers being there for Kobe in his darkest hours but do you think any of the NBA’s other 29 teams wouldn’t have done the same? Sticking by Kobe through the sexual assault allegations was a noble thing to do but it was also in the Lakers best interests. Los Angeles knew that Kobe was their franchise player.

Many comparisons have been made between Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. I think there are more parallels than most would consider. Jordan and Bryant share similar basketball skills and while I don’t think anyone will ever approach MJ’s intensity or drive, Kobe is the only player who has come close. MJ was a fierce competitor whose goal was not only to become the best player he could be, but to become the greatest player who ever played. Kobe has the same goal.

Neither MJ nor Kobe has ever been labeled as “fun” to play with. MJ rode his teammates relentlessly in practice and in games so that they would adhere to his standard of excellence. His intensity once resulted in a punch to Steve Kerr’s jaw and the departure of Horace Grant to Orlando. Jordan, like Bryant also received more than his fair share of criticism for dominating the basketball and not being a “team player” early in his career. Even Chicago's last three championships were a result of MJ averaging around 26 shot attempts per game and shooting below 50%.

Regardless of whether you believe they belong in the same company when comparing basketball skill, realize that they share the same competitive drive. Imagine Michael Jordan being forced to endure first round exits in the prime of his career. As great as MJ was, one player can only do so much. Jordan was BLESSED to play with Scottie Pippen and an assortment of veterans who knew their roles and played them to a T. If you think MJ could win titles surrounded by the likes of Kobe’s supporting cast the past three years, you’re sorely mistaken.

I find it very difficult to imagine Jordan being content with anything other than a championship supporting cast. Jordan absolutely could not stand to lose or fail, Kobe is the same way. The very thing that drives great players like Jordan and Bryant can also be to their detriment. They have enormous egos, are in love with their abilities, have unrattling confidence that they will succeed in any endeavor, and will take a backseat to no one.

Would MJ have gone about voicing his displeasure in the manner that Bryant has? Probably not for fear that his immaculate image would be tarnished and he wouldn't sell as many Air Jordan’s, but then again, he never had to.

Jordan hated Chicago's General Manager Jerry Krause and by association the Bulls owner, Jerry Reinsdorf. The only thing that kept things together in Chicago was the fact that Krause put together a supporting cast that Jordan could not have won without.

It’s impossible to absolve Kobe of all responsibility in the recent drama that has enveloped the Los Angeles Lakers. It is possible to note the factors that have led to his behavior. The Lakers have FAILED MISERABLY at building around him. Lamar Odom is not a legitimate second option and the trade of Caron Butler for Kwame Brown was a travesty. Key free agent opportunities (Baron Davis, Carlos Boozer) have come and gone. Los Angeles also had the opportunity to pry away Jason Kidd (a man who AVERAGED a triple double in last year’s playoffs) for Andrew Bynum last season but neglected to do so. Bynum may become a great player but when you have the best player since MJ and a rapidly dwindling window on his prime, the time is now.

Bryant knows that a title won with him as “the man” is the only way to distinguish himself as worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as MJ. This isn’t a man who plays for celebrity or a paycheck. Kobe Bryant plays for legacy, a legacy that he hopes is culminated with him being crowned the greatest player ever. It’s easy to be amazed at the 5 game stretch last year where he AVERAGED 53.7 ppg but I don’t think anyone realizes the type of commitment that it takes to achieve that level of basketball mastery.

Now imagine working that HARD year in and year out, only to be rewarded with an inept supporting cast and an early exit out of the playoffs.

Kobe’s career will never be as picture perfect as MJ’s was. It’s been one tumultuous turn after another over the past 11 seasons. From the feuds with Shaquille, the sexual assault allegation, to the trade demands. I hope that Kobe one day achieves some sense of basketball peace but I’m convinced that Bryant’s career will never be drama free. In fact, I’ve come to the conclusion that this is the way Bryant would prefer things to be. Kobe thrives on adversity, he revels in it.

I don’t agree with everything that Bryant has done throughout his career. I do respect his commitment to the game. I love that Kobe fears no one and no thing on the basketball court and he truly strives and puts in the work necessary to become the game's greatest player. I admire the fact that he doesn’t shy away from speaking his mind and hasn’t created a false image. For better or worse, what you see is what you get, take it or leave it, this is Kobe Bryant.

One can choose to perceive Kobe as a self centered, egotistical individual with no sense of loyalty. I, and many others choose to view him as a player who has made more than his fair share of mistakes but also as someone trying desperately to become the best basketball player he can be; the greatest player who has ever played.

“It’s one or the other.”

[Hakala]

slazem se s kobeom .

sjecas se kad smo polemisali s onim eduom o MJ-u,Kobe-u,komparacijama timova,odnosno suigraca kad su osvajali titule...vjecito pitanje:ko je imao bolju ispomoc i td.

argumentovano sam dokazao ..zasto je Kobe najveci ikad

cak je i moralno ispravniji,i od MJ-a i od Shaqa supka(o njihovim grijesima se moze do zore nabrajat)

helem,onu stoku iz uprave treba rusit ..dovest Celu i tako to

PS.hakala se pise s velikim H ..u protivnom se vrijedja moj autoritet

[sesalmir]

kobe je levat totalni.
Jeli ikada bio MVP finala, nije, jer su to bili shaqovi lakersi, baš kao i jordanovi bullsi, hakeemovi rocketsi itd. kobe nema ništa MVP finala 0 puta, MVP lige 0 puta= levat.
Evo pravih igrača od 90' na ovamo koji su bili šampioni, naj igrači lige i naj igrači finala:
jordan-6titula prvaka, 6MVP finala, 5MVP lige
hakeem- 2titule prvaka 2MVP finala 1MVP lige
shaq- 4titule prvaka 3MVP finala 1MVP lige
duncan- 4titule prvaka 3MVP finala 2MVP lige,
a kobe se može svrstati u rang pippena, drexlera i slićnih hamala velikih zvijezda, koji su strašni igrači ali ne i lideri ekipa sa kojima su osvajali titule.
I na kraju sljedeće sezone na ovu listu moći ćemo staviti jednog od sljedeće dvojice koji su već bili MVP lige, a glavni su kandidati za titulu ove sezone nash i garnett, a kobeu slijedi borba za playoff, jedina nada mu je odlazak u bullse, a sa lakersima novu titulu može samo sanjati.

[Neelix]

evo ga HAKALA (jebo ti.... )

cicko mali hakeem je imao drexlera, jordan pippena, a kobe....odoma? naravno da ne uporedjujes njih jelde

procitaj taj text gore (prvi pasos nije teksti) pa cemo nastavit diskusiju

[rashomon]

'Oćeš reć' Shaq je imao Kobea

Garnett je za Kobea Tito, kralj, car, sultan, šah, ayatollah, kraj priče...

[Neelix]

'Oćeš reć' Shaq je imao Kobea

Garnett je za Kobea Tito, kralj, car, sultan, šah, ayatollah, kraj priče...

ne mozes poredit PF i SG a po uspjesnosti, individualnoj i timskoj, se vidi gdje su....

da, shaq je imao kobea, ali govorimo o post-shaq eri

[rashomon]

A post-shaq era je gdje Kobe pokazuje svu svoje bezvrijednost kao timski igrač!

Da su u LA-u otpustili Kobea, a ne Shaqa, i da su doveli neko zamjenu adekvatnu...osvojili bi još koju titulu garant...U biti se strategija Phil Jacksona uvijek vrtila oko uigravanja tri dobra igrača...Nikada solo...

Ovako ih nigdje nema...famflaona, blanja, blanjoka, ona velika blanja iz pilane...

I da, ako se u poredbi mogao naći Hakeem, kaj ne bi mogao i Garnett...Sa' će KG sa Bostonom dinastiju stvorit'...

[Neelix]

A post-shaq era je gdje Kobe pokazuje svu svoje bezvrijednost kao timski igrač!

Da su u LA-u otpustili Kobea, a ne Shaqa, i da su doveli neko zamjenu adekvatnu...osvojili bi još koju titulu garant...U biti se strategija Phil Jacksona uvijek vrtila oko uigravanja tri dobra igrača...Nikada solo...

Ovako ih nigdje nema...famflaona, blanja, blanjoka, ona velika blanja iz pilane...

I da, ako se u poredbi mogao naći Hakeem, kaj ne bi mogao i Garnett...Sa' će KG sa Bostonom dinastiju stvorit'...

post shaq era je gdje Kobe ima odoma (s nacetim ramenom) i koga jos? Browna? Smusha Parkera ? Ne bi ni Jordan nista vise postigao sa ovakvom ekipom. Uporedi to sa Bullsima koji su imali dead-eye shootere, paxson kerr, najboljeg skakaca i godinama jednog od najboljih defanzivaca lige, rodmana, scottiea pippena, redovnog clana najbolje odbrambene petorke lige i jednog od najpotcjenjenijih kosarkasa ikad...da ne spominjem h.granta u najboljim danima, longleya koji nije neka klasa bio al je obavljao svoje zadatke, harpera...

uporedi to sa kobeovim saigracima.

kobe je ispao shupak ovog ljeta zbog onih zahtjeva za trade, kritikovanja bynuma i sl, i pao mi je u ocima pravo, al to ne mijenja cinjenice o njegovim kosarkaskim kvalitetama.

[Faust]

Drago mi je da neko spomenu to, ja igram Yahoo fantasy basketbal već nekoliko godina, prošle sezone sam uzeo pa sam kontao ove godine winners ligu igrat, ali ako bi nas bilo 12 radije bi ovako protiv naše raje nego tamo sa nekim japancima i kinezima da igram. Imam još dva jarana i oni igraju tako da nas je već 4.
btw. mi igramo head to head, uz naravno online draft, a kontali smo početi tamo oko 25.10. dok prođe još malo ove predsezone, možda se neko povrijedi + možda i bude tradeova.

Mogu li biti obavijesten, na vrijeme?

[Fleischfresser]

Ma dajte, molim vas. Kao timski igrac Kobe sigurno dosta zaostaje i za Jordanom i za Garnettom i jos par vrhunskih igraca. Al kao individualac je apsolutno najbolji igrac danasnjice, za mene i svih vremena al eto neki ne vole da se on uopste uporedjuje sa Jordanom, pa nek bude samo danasnjice.

Pa jel slucajnost da je Kobe jedini (81 poen) prisao blizu 100 poena Chamberlaina u jednoj utakmici??? I ovih 81 poen Kobe-a vise vrijede, jel ko prati kosarku zna da je Chamberlaine tad bio neprikosnoven na terenu, veliku vecinu tih 100 poena je dao vrlo lagano iz reketa, shodono svojoj dominaciji u visini. Samo su mu spustali lopte ispod koša.
Pa jel slucajnost da je Kobe dao najvise 3-ica u jednoj utakmici???
Mislim stvarno je suvisno pricat ko je najbolji igrac individualac danas, al onda se jave ovaki ''strucnjaci'' kao ovaj ''sesalmir'' i povuku me za jezik svojim nekim analizama, nazivajuci Kobe-a levatom

Dalje neko rece da su Lakersi ostavili Shaq-a umjesto Kobe-a i adekvatnu pojacanje osvojili bi jos koju titulu. Moguce uz to da u adekvatnu zamjenu za Kobe-a spada samo 2-3 vrhunska igraca u NBA.
Al kakvu je to Kobe adekvatnu zamjenu dobio nakon odlaska Shaq-a?? NIKAKVU. Pa prema tome nema smisla pricati o tome.
Al zato je Shaq u Miami-u imao odlicnu ekipu, plus Wade-a da ne spominjem kako je bio čuvan od strane sudija, i opet osvoji Shaq samo jednu titulu i to kad zbog povrede nije igrao dosta vremena, vec su Wade i ostatak ekipe ucinili veci dio posla.
A naredne sezone jedno veliko nista Shaq-a sa opet jednako kavlitetnim Miami Heat.
Znaci ova teza apsolutno ne stoji!

Non-stop se prica gdje su Lakersi nakon odlaska Shaq-a, Kobe nije timski igrac ovo ono. Pa skim to treba da igra Kobe u Lakersima?? Ni jednog odlicnog igraca nije imao od odlaska Shaq-a!!! Vidjelo se u zadnjoj sezoni u Playoff-u, kad Kobe igra sam i egoisticno donekle drzi Lakerse u igri kao recimo protiv PHX-a, e onda svima dosta vise individualca Kobe-a pa on pocne da igra za tim i sa timom i sta oni urade u odlucujucim trenutcima? Useru stvar! Ma mislim ne mogu vise da slusam ove price.
Lakersi su trenutno na toj razini sa Kobe-om, na kojoj, sa istim timom, ne bi bili ni sa bilo kojim drugim igracem iz NBA umjesto Kobe-a a pogotovo ne sa Shaq-om.

[sesalmir]

Drago mi je da neko spomenu to, ja igram Yahoo fantasy basketbal već nekoliko godina, prošle sezone sam uzeo pa sam kontao ove godine winners ligu igrat, ali ako bi nas bilo 12 radije bi ovako protiv naše raje nego tamo sa nekim japancima i kinezima da igram. Imam još dva jarana i oni igraju tako da nas je već 4.
btw. mi igramo head to head, uz naravno online draft, a kontali smo početi tamo oko 25.10. dok prođe još malo ove predsezone, možda se neko povrijedi + možda i bude tradeova.

Mogu li biti obavijesten, na vrijeme?

E žao mi je mi sinoć draft imali, šteta što se ne javi ranije.

[sesalmir]

@rashomon
@ Neelix tačno je shaq je imao kobea, a zašto kobe nema nikoga je ponajviše zbog njegove egoističnosti i kretenskog karaktera koji odbija svakog velikog igrača da igra sa njim pa i iz uprave lakersa tvrde da su poslali jaču ponudu za garnetta, ali nije ni on lud lomit se sa suigračem koji puca preko tri čovjeka i koji će iskoristiti 25-30 napada ekipe bez obzira na raspoloženost za igru i rezultat tekme i igrati sa čovjekom koji nema nikakvog respekta prema jednom od 5 najvećih centara svih vremena zahvaljujući kome je i osvojio 3 titule. Pa uporedi statse butlera, čovjek se preporodio, i postao all star igrač riješivši se tereta zvanog kobe.
@Fleischfresser, nazivam ga levatom zbog njegovoga karaktera, prepotentnosti i nepoštovanja koje je na razne načine iskazivao prema drugim igračima lige smatrajući samog sebe najboljim. Igračke kvalitete su mu definitivno jedinstvene i gledao sam dosta i jordanovih tekmi ali bi se čak usudio reći da je kobe igrački i kvalitetnij, ali nije sve u tome. Treba biti pobjednik, treba biti normalna osoba koja će sasvim normalno priznavati i cijeniti velike igrače i njegovog perioda i prijašnjice. Pa koliko je igrača sam jordan javno hvalio dajući na taj način podsticaja i njihovome daljnjem razvoju kao npr. grant hill o kojem je govorio sve najpozitivnije ili poštivanje starijih igrača pa sam shaq je i u duelima sa hakeemom iznosio samo rijeci hvale i postovanja prema takvome igraču. A prema kobeu svaki izabrani mvp je nepravda učinjena prema njemu, svaka ekipa koja osvoji titulu je to ostvarila iz razloga što nema on bolje suigrače.Pa zapita li se ikada zašto nema bolje suigrače. Spominješ playoff prošle sezone kada je kobe sam nosio lakerse u prvom poluvremenu, što je tačno, ali nije tačno da su lakersi pali zbog njegovih nastojanja da razigra suigrače u drugom poluvremenu već upravo zbog njegovog egoizma, ja, ja i samo ja, kada je u trenutcima kada se lomi utakmica pucao nekoliko napada uzastopno, preko dva igraća ili sa 8 metara preko bella koji se nalazio milimetar od njega i koji je izabran u prvu odbrambenu petorku lige.
Zato ponavljam kobe je levat, levat i samo levat i neka ostane do kraja karijere u lakersima, jer bi to značilo još nekih 5 sezona u kojima lakersi neće imati šansi ni do finala da dođu, a pogotovo da osvoje titulu.

[Neelix]

da si imalo pratio glasine oko garnetta znao bi da je on 3 godine pokusavao doc u L.A., gdje i zivi preko ljeta, ali da se nista konkretno nije desilo upravo zato sto Wolvesi nisu htjeli prihvatiti ponudu Lakersa.

a sto se tice svih optuzbi na racun karaktera - molim da procitas ovaj duzi tekst koji sam postirao iznad, bice ti jasnije mnoge stvari.

"Love me or hate me, it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved, for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

[LSD]

Vala ne volim ni ja Bryanta kao covjeka definitivno...ali je istinski velemajstor kosarke i to ne moze niko osporiti...koliko god Shaq bio zasluzan za one 3 titule Lakers-a u nizu,toliko je Kobe zasluzan (to mozete provjeriti u statistickim podacima tih sezona-gotovo identicne i kod Kobea i Shaqa-oko 25 poena obojica u prosjeku)...hocu da kazem:niti bi Shaq sam donio one 3 vezane titule da nije bilo Bryanta,a niti bi Kobe mogao sam donijeti sto potvrdjuju danasnji rezultati Lakersa...slazem se da je karakterno grozna osoba,ali covjek je o svoje prve sezone All-star igrac,pa valjda to nesto govori.

[piskerernest]

u sezonama kada su lakersi osvojili titule shaq je bio u najboljim godinama ,kobe je tek sad u najboljim godinama.kobe sad nema saigrača kao što je shaq,shaq ima wadea ali i 35 godina

[rashomon]

da si imalo pratio glasine oko garnetta znao bi da je on 3 godine pokusavao doc u L.A., gdje i zivi preko ljeta, ali da se nista konkretno nije desilo upravo zato sto Wolvesi nisu htjeli prihvatiti ponudu Lakersa.

a sto se tice svih optuzbi na racun karaktera - molim da procitas ovaj duzi tekst koji sam postirao iznad, bice ti jasnije mnoge stvari.

"Love me or hate me, it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fadeaway, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved, for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

Znaš šta me kod njega nervira...Što je on, evo već ove sezone osvojio šampionat, ili MVP titulu, a da nije ni prnuo...

Takva se priča vuče oko njega, takav je njegov imidž u medijima, tako on kada izađe na teren hoda...

Svi se moraju izboriti za neki status, MJ je morao potvrđivati kvalitete svake godine, i evo sada kada je čovjek zvanično historija, po svim mogućim statiskama nenadjebiv> prebacuje mu se kako je imao prejak backup asistencije i sl.
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umeću nekakvog KOBEA...Kobe je najbolji...i Kobe igra u Lakersima...Jeste vi ljudi normalni?

Pederluk-Hollywood jebeni čisti...

Ono su mogli sa Magic Johnsonom i Kareem Abdul Jabaarom mlatit, imalo je nekog smisla...Sad je ovo s Kobeom drek čisti...

Ne volim šminkere...Volim kada neko igra temperamentno, i volim vidjeti da je nekome stalo do igre...

S te strane Kobe mi je uvijek bio neozbiljan lik i njegova je igra više isfuravanje nego nekakva borba...

Znaš ona njegova glupa reklama za Adidas...Krene na koš i onda stane u zraku i konta kako će sad zakucati...lijeva---desna---polaganje----ma ne-sve je već izveo---i onda kao asistira nekom lijevom liku...

Mislim, baš reklama, nigdje veze sa stvarnošću....HOG...