kako ti znas da ih nema? mi znamo samo ono sto dobijamo putem medija, a ne znamo da li postoji cenzura.xxl mudonja wrote:pa i da je oboren MORAJU biti krhotine i olupinaMa.Le.Na wrote:u ovom slucaju malezijskog aviona...ne bi bilo ni cudno da je oboren
ako se ne javlja...ne reaguje..leti prema nekom gradu
pa i ja bih razmislila da li da ga oborim
ali je KVAKA što ih NEMA !!!!!
Zviz wrote:No, dobro, a veznao za "zapeo" sam mislio, kad bi dijelom dodirnuo vodu i tim izgubio kontrolu. Po rijecima nekih medija eto avio proletio u dugu dimenziju vremena... prije ce biti, da je a explodirao odjednom, ali opet da vec tri dana nemogu naci nista je cudno - jedino da je tako explodirao, da je sve se fakticki stopilo u pepeo, jel moguce nemam pojma.Googlerica wrote:
i da dodam,proppelerasi se dignu u nebo za 30 sekundi,a jet-ovi se penju 3 minute
preformance im je totlano drugaciji,ovi sa propelerima se jednostavno lakse "mrdaju" u zraku, tako je jefferssone
Zviz,kako mislis "zapeo" , hvala( jes' se ti meni ozenio
)
@googlerica,
Nebi zelio nista prognozirati unapried ali mislim da ide na dobro
Malena,jeste,moguce je medijima sakriti isitnu , agencije za prtragu od strane 6 nacija ne smiju nista pricati o tome,a drugo,sto je veci broj timova,pretraga rada je kompleksnija,vjeruj mi,medij ne zna sve kao sto znaju timovi koji prterazuju teren ; Uporno se pise o obranjau aviona,no takva prica je dugo trajala sa franczimaMa.Le.Na wrote:kolika je mogucnost da se obaranje aviona, slucajno ili namjerno, zataska?
da li je moguce medijima prikriti stvarnu istinu i "sakriti" toliku kolicinu plutajucih ostataka?
Gray wrote:Jedna mogućnost:
http://mh370lost.tumblr.com/?og=1
What happened to MH370?
Has anyone considered if the below FAA Airworthiness Directive could be a clue the MH370 investigation?
A November 2013 FAA Airworthiness Directive for the 777
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-09 ... -23456.htm
SUMMARY: We propose to adopt a new airworthiness directive (AD) for
certain The Boeing Company Model 777 airplanes. This proposed AD was prompted by a report of cracking in the fuselage skin underneath the satellite communication (SATCOM) antenna adapter. This proposed AD would require repetitive inspections of the visible fuselage skin and doubler if installed, for cracking, corrosion, and any indication of contact of a certain fastener to a bonding jumper, and repair if necessary. We are proposing this AD to detect and correct cracking and corrosion in the fuselage skin, which could lead to rapid decompression and loss of structural integrity of the airplane.
[https://31]
Summary: It’s plausible that a fuselage section near the SATCOM antenna adapter failed, disabling satellite based - GPS, ACARS, and ADS-B/C - communications, and leading to a slow decompression that left all occupants unconscious. If such decompression left the aircraft intact, then the autopilot would have flown the planned route or otherwise maintained its heading/altitude until fuel exhaustion.
A slow decompression (e.g. from a golfball-sized hole) would have gradually impaired and confused the pilots before cabin altitude (pressure) warnings sounded.
Chain of events:
Likely fuselage failure near SATCOM antenna adapter, disabling some or all of GPS, ACARS, ADS-B, and ADS-C antennas and systems. Thus, only primary radars would detect the plane. Primary radar range is usually less than 100nm, and is generally ineffective at high altitudes.If the decompression was slow enough, it’s possible the pilots did not realize to put on oxygen masks until it was too late. (See Helios 522)Also explains why another Pilot thirty minutes ahead heard “mumbling” from MH370 pilots. (VHF comms would be unaffected by SATCOM equipment failure.)With incapacitated pilots, the 777 could continue to fly on Autopilot - programmed to maintain cruise altitude and follow the programmed route. Using the Inertial Reference System (gyroscope based), the plane could navigate without needing GPS.
Other thoughts:
The plane was [UPDATE: WASNOT] equipped with cellular communication hardware, supplied by AeroMobile, to provide GSM services via satellite. However this is an aftermarket product; it’s not connected through SATCOM (as far as I know). [UPDATE]: However, if the plane flew over or near land, then cellular connectivity is still possible.Interestingly, 19 families signed a statement alleging they were able to call the MH370 passengers and get their phones to ring, but with no response.When Malaysian Airlines tried to call the phone numbers a day later, the phones did not ring. By this time, fuel would have been exhausted.Note: 777 Passenger Oxygen masks do not deploy until cabin altitude reaches 13,500. Passengers were likely already unconscious by then, if it was a slow decompression. Also remember that this flight was a red-eye, most passengers would be trying to sleep, masking alarming effects of oxygen deprivation. No confirmed debris has been found anywhere near the search area, consistent with the plane having flown for hours after it lost radar contact.
Conclusion:
This was likely not an “explosive decompression” or “inflight disintegration.” This was likely a slow decompression that gradually deprived all crew/passengers of oxygen, leaving the autopilot to continue along the route autonomously.
The aircraft may be at the floor of the East China Sea, Sea of Japan, or the Pacific Ocean thousands of miles northeast from the current search zone. [UPDATE: Basically, it could be “anywhere”, and we need to use any available radar records to help figure it out. It could have turned in any direction and continued on for hours. This is where the Vietnamese/Malaysia civilian and military radars will help.]
Recommendations:
Investigators should obtain data logs from primary radars throughout mainland China that would have been along the planned route. They may be the best clue as to the trajectory of the aircraft.Investigators should obtain all passengers’ cell phone log and location data. The timing of the last successful cellular connection (ring/SMS/data-packet) can predict how long the plane was in the air. iPhone/iOS location (GPS)data may be available from Apple if subpoenaed. Android location data may be available from Google. Add a secondary search space to include a 300nm+ radius around Beijing, focusing on surrounding bodies of water. Using planned routing trajectory, known autopilot logics, fuel quantities, and weather patterns, it may be possible to define a smaller 50nm * 50nm search space. Consider running the above scenario in MH’s 777-200ER full flight simulator. Boeing should provide expertise about the SATCOM antenna schematics and autopilot/navigation logic, so as to help plot this second search space.
avaz zna sto se desava u avionu kad nestane strujexxl mudonja wrote: I na kopnu počela potraga za nestalim avionom
Šef civilne aviokompanije najavio je će Kina u potragu uključiti još dva aviona koji će nadlijetati kopno u potrazi za ostacima Boeinga 777-200EU Malaysia Airlinesa nestalog nakon što je iz Kuala Lumpura poletio prema Pekingu.
Kina je rasporedila i deset svojih satelita koji bi trebali pomoći u potrazi. Sateliti se kontroliraju iz baze Xian na sjeveru zemlje, a koristit će visoku rezoluciju i druge tehnologije kako bi pomogli u potrazi i operacijama spašavanja aviona.
U veliku potragu uključeni su vojni avioni, vojni brodovi, brodice obalne straže i civilni brodovi iz deset zemalja, no njihovi napori da pronađu bilo kakav trag dosad su se pokazali uzaludnima. Potraga je proširena i na širi pojas Tajlandskog zaljeva i Južnokineskog mora te na Malajski prolaz zapadno od Malezije.
U međuvremenu, malezijska vojska objavila je kako vjeruje da je nestali avion letio još više od sat vremena nakon što je nestao s radara kontrole leta, promijenio kurs i kretao se prema zapadu preko Malajskog prolaza. Malezijske vlasti prije su objavile da je let MH370 nestao oko sat vremena nakon polijetanja iz Kuala Lumpura prema Pekingu.
Oficir indonezijske vojne avijacije Umar Fathur rekao je da ih je Malezija obavijestila da je avion bio iznad Južnokineskog mora na dvadesetak kilometara od Kota Bharu u Maleziji kada se vratio ka moreuzu i potom nestao.
Vlasti ne isključuju nijedan mogući uzrok nestanka aviona, uključujući kvar, grešku pilota, sabotažu ili terorizam.
Stručnjaci ističu da su sve manje sigurni šta se desilo sa avionom. Neki smatraju da je veliki prekid struje, najvjerovatnije, objašnjenje za prestanak rada transpondera i komunikacionog sistema.
U to je vrijeme bio na otprilike pola puta između malezijskog istočnog grada Kota Bharua i krajnjeg juga Vijetnama, na visini od oko 10.670 metara, prenosi Dnevnik.hr.
http://www.avaz.ba/globus/svijet/i-na-k ... im-avionom
sta ti mislis ako ga je vojska oborila da ce reci "jeste, mi smo ga oborili, jbg, nije namjerno, izvinite".xxl mudonja wrote:ma ja ba, angažovali tolike snage onako iz zajebacije, s naredbom da ako šta vide da NIPOŠTO ne javljaju, nego da nastave dalje da se zajebavajusretjko wrote:nema veze koliko je kina poslala aviona i brodova kad bilo ko od tih spasilaca ako nesto ugleda mora obavijestiti svog nadredjenog a ne medije ......
mene interesuje kako na današnjem nivou tehnološke razvijenosti ne postoji neki GPS lokator u avionu kojem ne može ništa ni atomska bomba, a kamoli da se sruši avion
naravno da ce uciniti sve da zataskaju slucaj ili da ga prikazu drugacije nego sto jeste. i naravno da nece obican spasilac, mornar ili vojnik kad ugleda dio aviona nazvati medije nego ce prvo obavijestiti svog nadredjenog, to je vojna hijerarhija, s tim nema zajebancije. 
Googlerica wrote:Gray wrote:Jedna mogućnost:
http://mh370lost.tumblr.com/?og=1
What happened to MH370?
Has anyone considered if the below FAA Airworthiness Directive could be a clue the MH370 investigation?
A November 2013 FAA Airworthiness Directive for the 777
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-09 ... -23456.htm
SUMMARY: We propose to adopt a new airworthiness directive (AD) for
certain The Boeing Company Model 777 airplanes. This proposed AD was prompted by a report of cracking in the fuselage skin underneath the satellite communication (SATCOM) antenna adapter. This proposed AD would require repetitive inspections of the visible fuselage skin and doubler if installed, for cracking, corrosion, and any indication of contact of a certain fastener to a bonding jumper, and repair if necessary. We are proposing this AD to detect and correct cracking and corrosion in the fuselage skin, which could lead to rapid decompression and loss of structural integrity of the airplane.
[https://31]
Summary: It’s plausible that a fuselage section near the SATCOM antenna adapter failed, disabling satellite based - GPS, ACARS, and ADS-B/C - communications, and leading to a slow decompression that left all occupants unconscious. If such decompression left the aircraft intact, then the autopilot would have flown the planned route or otherwise maintained its heading/altitude until fuel exhaustion.
A slow decompression (e.g. from a golfball-sized hole) would have gradually impaired and confused the pilots before cabin altitude (pressure) warnings sounded.
Chain of events:
Likely fuselage failure near SATCOM antenna adapter, disabling some or all of GPS, ACARS, ADS-B, and ADS-C antennas and systems. Thus, only primary radars would detect the plane. Primary radar range is usually less than 100nm, and is generally ineffective at high altitudes.If the decompression was slow enough, it’s possible the pilots did not realize to put on oxygen masks until it was too late. (See Helios 522)Also explains why another Pilot thirty minutes ahead heard “mumbling” from MH370 pilots. (VHF comms would be unaffected by SATCOM equipment failure.)With incapacitated pilots, the 777 could continue to fly on Autopilot - programmed to maintain cruise altitude and follow the programmed route. Using the Inertial Reference System (gyroscope based), the plane could navigate without needing GPS.
Other thoughts:
The plane was [UPDATE: WASNOT] equipped with cellular communication hardware, supplied by AeroMobile, to provide GSM services via satellite. However this is an aftermarket product; it’s not connected through SATCOM (as far as I know). [UPDATE]: However, if the plane flew over or near land, then cellular connectivity is still possible.Interestingly, 19 families signed a statement alleging they were able to call the MH370 passengers and get their phones to ring, but with no response.When Malaysian Airlines tried to call the phone numbers a day later, the phones did not ring. By this time, fuel would have been exhausted.Note: 777 Passenger Oxygen masks do not deploy until cabin altitude reaches 13,500. Passengers were likely already unconscious by then, if it was a slow decompression. Also remember that this flight was a red-eye, most passengers would be trying to sleep, masking alarming effects of oxygen deprivation. No confirmed debris has been found anywhere near the search area, consistent with the plane having flown for hours after it lost radar contact.
Conclusion:
This was likely not an “explosive decompression” or “inflight disintegration.” This was likely a slow decompression that gradually deprived all crew/passengers of oxygen, leaving the autopilot to continue along the route autonomously.
The aircraft may be at the floor of the East China Sea, Sea of Japan, or the Pacific Ocean thousands of miles northeast from the current search zone. [UPDATE: Basically, it could be “anywhere”, and we need to use any available radar records to help figure it out. It could have turned in any direction and continued on for hours. This is where the Vietnamese/Malaysia civilian and military radars will help.]
Recommendations:
Investigators should obtain data logs from primary radars throughout mainland China that would have been along the planned route. They may be the best clue as to the trajectory of the aircraft.Investigators should obtain all passengers’ cell phone log and location data. The timing of the last successful cellular connection (ring/SMS/data-packet) can predict how long the plane was in the air. iPhone/iOS location (GPS)data may be available from Apple if subpoenaed. Android location data may be available from Google. Add a secondary search space to include a 300nm+ radius around Beijing, focusing on surrounding bodies of water. Using planned routing trajectory, known autopilot logics, fuel quantities, and weather patterns, it may be possible to define a smaller 50nm * 50nm search space. Consider running the above scenario in MH’s 777-200ER full flight simulator. Boeing should provide expertise about the SATCOM antenna schematics and autopilot/navigation logic, so as to help plot this second search space.
opet se vrtimo u krug: ako je bila slow decompression,piloti su imali vremena traziti pomoc,drugo ACARS system bi imao dovolljno vretema poslati signal da nesto nije u redu sa avionom ,ali uvijek postoji istovrmeeno zivse komplikacija
xxl mudonja wrote:ma ja ba, angažovali tolike snage onako iz zajebacije, s naredbom da ako šta vide da NIPOŠTO ne javljaju, nego da nastave dalje da se zajebavajusretjko wrote:nema veze koliko je kina poslala aviona i brodova kad bilo ko od tih spasilaca ako nesto ugleda mora obavijestiti svog nadredjenog a ne medije ......
mene interesuje kako na današnjem nivou tehnološke razvijenosti ne postoji neki GPS lokator u avionu kojem ne može ništa ni atomska bomba, a kamoli da se sruši avion
Edin H. wrote:12 zemalja sa 42 broda i 39 aviona pretrazuje podrucje od 43000 kilometara
Da li ce i BH Airlines ponuditi strucnu pomoc?
zad treba poceti praviti paniku ako letis preko mora,., gdje su ti bazne stanice,.,na sta ce se nakacit telefon,., ono znas kazu zemlja ko lopta,. a signal kako putuje,. a ako je krenulo sta po zlu, vecinom se desi tako brzo da kada si uplasen nemozes ragovat nikako,,.,radostan dan wrote:za ove pristalice teorije da je nestalo struje i da je imao fore još sat vremena da leti, bez mogućnosti komunikacije....nešto mi to manjkavo...
šta je sa putnicima,posadom, mobilnim, ajfonima...nije se moglo nazvati, javiti, dojaviti - stanje, pozicija?
ako može objašnjenje...
kolega,pricataj svaki post na mojoj temi,i slobodno reci da li sam nekad spomenula teorije zavjere i ostale glupostiGray wrote:Googlerica wrote:
opet se vrtimo u krug: ako je bila slow decompression,piloti su imali vremena traziti pomoc,drugo ACARS system bi imao dovolljno vretema poslati signal da nesto nije u redu sa avionom ,ali uvijek postoji istovrmeeno zivse komplikacija
Nije poenta u vremenu, nego da ako je bila slow decompression piloti nisu ni shvatili šta je problem dok nije bilo prekasno ili dok nisu izgubili svijest, kao sa grčkim avionom prije par godina.
Mislim da previše tražite neke zavjere, ko je gledao redovno air crash investigation zna kakve sve sitnice i gluposti kada se nagomilaju mogu dovesti do pada aviona, a i koliko je teško naći avion.
nisma pristalica teroja zavjere,ali umoriste sa pricom o mobitelimaradostan dan wrote:za ove pristalice teorije da je nestalo struje i da je imao fore još sat vremena da leti, bez mogućnosti komunikacije....nešto mi to manjkavo...
šta je sa putnicima,posadom, mobilnim, ajfonima...nije se moglo nazvati, javiti, dojaviti - stanje, pozicija?
ako može objašnjenje...
ko zna kakve se igre igraju. AF447 su locirali u sred okeana, na duplo vecoj dubini nego sto su ove gdje je nestao malezijski avion. ali u AF447 su bili vecinom francuzi, zatim nijemci i mnogi drugi zapapdno evropski drzavljani, medju njima i vodeci ljudi nekih jakih evropskih kompanija. francuska je cak poslala i svoju nuklearnu podmornicu kao i ono neko cudo sto je istrazivalo titanik.golman wrote:Nije mi jasno kako ne mogu locirati taj avion.Ili možda neće???
AF447 je lociran od strane Brazilske mornarice 8 sati nakon pada, stoga mojne tih ubleha!sretjko wrote:ko zna kakve se igre igraju. AF447 su locirali u sred okeana, na duplo vecoj dubini nego sto su ove gdje je nestao malezijski avion. ali u AF447 su bili vecinom francuzi, zatim nijemci i mnogi drugi zapapdno evropski drzavljani, medju njima i vodeci ljudi nekih jakih evropskih kompanija. francuska je cak poslala i svoju nuklearnu podmornicu kao i ono neko cudo sto je istrazivalo titanik.golman wrote:Nije mi jasno kako ne mogu locirati taj avion.Ili možda neće???
a u malezijskom avionu je bila vecinom kineska i malezijska populacija te poneki amer, ili zapadno evropljanin. mozda hoce da se pokaze da je kina nesposobna ili hoce da se pridobije kineska naklonost za vrijeme koje dolazi.
@malena,i ja sam tog misljenja. mozda je pao u indisjki okean.