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[sime_cipol]

Odlican GC L
Mislim da ce kraca verzija izgledati jos bolje. Isključivo zbog dimenzija, kompaktnije.
Unutrašnjost odlicna.

[citroen xm]

Fakat odličan.

[_BataZiv_0809]

Naravno da jeste. Za mene lično je sramno staviti Citroen u borbu sa Dačijom.

Bitno je da se kotrlja..
Ma ja mislim da ce DS ugasiti, trenutnu paletu samo opet oznaciti sa citroen i to je to....svi zadovoljni.

Ne kontam logiku ukidanja 3 harizmatske marke, a ostavljanje Vaxualla koji je Opel sa drugom naljepnicom

[konektovan]

Naravno da jeste. Za mene lično je sramno staviti Citroen u borbu sa Dačijom.

Bitno je da se kotrlja..
Ma ja mislim da ce DS ugasiti, trenutnu paletu samo opet oznaciti sa citroen i to je to....svi zadovoljni.

Ne kontam logiku ukidanja 3 harizmatske marke, a ostavljanje Vaxualla koji je Opel sa drugom naljepnicom

Svasta nešto nema logike, ali hebiga....mozda ipak promijene odluku...

[NediM17]

Nemoj mi na Vauxhalla, stari im'o Vivu od 70-77.
'vaki isti biJo.

https://classicsworld.co.uk/news/vauxha ... rs-wanted/

[_BataZiv_0809]

Jebes mu mater prodaji Dodge i Chrysler samo u Americi, Lanciu samo u Italiji. Kao sto Vaxuall prodajes samo u GB i mozda u Australiji i NZ.

Motora i platformi imas sad na pretek.

[Rockefeller]

2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee L

Hvala na foto, da ne trazimo

Premocan!

Mozda nekad se budemo druzili

[citroen xm]

Jebes mu mater prodaji Dodge i Chrysler samo u Americi, Lanciu samo u Italiji. Kao sto Vaxuall prodajes samo u GB i mozda u Australiji i NZ.

Motora i platformi imas sad na pretek.

Jebaji ga, od troškova za Vaxuall imaš 3 znaka i 10-ak slova u odnosu na Opela. Za Lanču i ostale imaš mnogo toga drugačijeg. I još su Britanci slabi na te njihove marke koje nemaju svrhu postojanja.

Meni nije jasno ukopavanje jednog premijum brenda poput Lanče. Imaš ime, tradiciju, zaostavštinu.... i to ugasiš dok u isto vrijeme praviš premijum brend DS koji je totalna fula.

Kao što rekoh, problem je u tome što svaki brend pokriva iste klase. Nekada to nije bilo tako. Nikada Citroen, Lanča i Alfa nisu pravili terence, kao što ni Jeep nije pravio limuzine i mala auta. I svi su bili dobri u svom resoru. Sada bukvalno svi ciljaju istu publiku.

[_BataZiv_0809]

Jebaji ga, od troškova za Vaxuall imaš 3 znaka i 10-ak slova u odnosu na Opela. Za Lanču i ostale imaš mnogo toga drugačijeg. I još su Britanci slabi na te njihove marke koje nemaju svrhu postojanja.

Meni nije jasno ukopavanje jednog premijum brenda poput Lanče. Imaš ime, tradiciju, zaostavštinu.... i to ugasiš dok u isto vrijeme praviš premijum brend DS koji je totalna fula.

Postavlja se pitanje vole li Britanci više ili manje Vaxuall nego što Italijani vole Lanciu?

Sa jedne strane oni pristaju da kupuju Opel samo zato što na njemu piše Vaxuall dok su Italijani glasno i jasno odjebali Chysler na kojem pise Lancia.

[citroen xm]

To sa Opelom i Krajslerom je malo drugačije.

Lako je utrpati Astru pod nekim drugim imenom i prodati je. Valjala ili ne valjala, nije skupa, cilja na široke narodne mase i prodaće se.

Problem sa rukovodstvom Lanče je što su pokušali prodati muda pod bubrege. Pokušali su nastaviti prisustvo u visokoj klasi trpajući tuđi već zastarjeli proizvod i to sa popriličnim jazom između originalnog Thesisa i tog prepakovanog 300C.


Takođe, Vaxuall je uvijek bio 95% Opel, a Lanča nikada do tada nije imala ni prekidač od Krajzlera.

[_BataZiv_0809]

Ima smisla i to što kažeš

300C/Thema jeste promašaj, teško je u toj klasi napraviti rezultat obzirom na sve okolnosti.

Ali da nema tržišta za monovolumen (Voyager), cc/cabrio (Flavia), hatch (Delta), to ne mogu da shvatim nikako.

[citroen xm]

Jebeno vrijeme dosšlo, sve poklopili SUV-ovi. Evo već u ovoj godini će čudo biti kada neko predstavi nasljednika klasične limuzine D segmenta. Sveneki SUV-ovi i kvazi SUV-ovi od najmanje do najveće klase.

Najpoznatiji i najbolji evropsi monovolumeni odoše u vječna lovišta. Pikaso, Espace, Scenic... vjerovatno neće ni dobiti nasljednike.

[konektovan]

Jebeno vrijeme dosšlo, sve poklopili SUV-ovi. Evo već u ovoj godini će čudo biti kada neko predstavi nasljednika klasične limuzine D segmenta. Sveneki SUV-ovi i kvazi SUV-ovi od najmanje do najveće klase.

Najpoznatiji i najbolji evropsi monovolumeni odoše u vječna lovišta. Pikaso, Espace, Scenic... vjerovatno neće ni dobiti nasljednike.

Da, nece biti nasljednika, ali mozda u ovom suv ludilu, u buducnosti isti postanu SUV vozila..

[citroen xm]

Espace je već postao, ustvari u nekoj je tranziciji od monovolumena ka suv-u. I šta dobiješ? Dobiješ opet sve SUV modele sa nekim eto poznatim imenom.

Ne bi svakako bili pioniri u korišćenju poznatih imena za nešto što nema veze sa tim. Ford je upotrijebio ime Mustang za neki elektro kvazi SUV ili slično što veze nema sa Mustangom. Upotrijebio je i ime Puma za kvazi suv iako se to ime veže za malog gradskog kupea.

[basicm]

Nesto sumnjam da bi dodge mogao otici. Doduse talijani nisu normalni svakako, sve je moguce.

[konektovan]

Dobar ovaj Jeeponja..

[basicm]

Dobar ovaj Jeeponja..

A koji GC je bio los? Ovo je samo dobar nastavak price, nisu ukakili.

[_BataZiv_0809]

Nesto sumnjam da bi dodge mogao otici. Doduse talijani nisu normalni svakako, sve je moguce.

Ma i ja kontam da su to sve nagadjanja.

[basicm]

Ameri bi druge proteste napravili

[konektovan]

Dobar ovaj Jeeponja..

A koji GC je bio los? Ovo je samo dobar nastavak price, nisu ukakili.

Doduse, meni su sve generacije bile dobre bar sto se tice vanjskog dizajna.

[kidney]

All-new 2021 Jeep® Grand Cherokee Breaks New Ground in the Full-size SUV Segment

• Rooted in a legacy of Jeep® 4x4 capability, luxury and advanced technologies, and loaded with Grand Cherokee and FCA firsts, the all-new 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee—now with seven-passenger seating—delivers an exceptional customer experience
• Three Jeep 4x4 systems and class-leading Selec-Terrain traction management system with five terrain modes continue and improve upon the tradition of legendary off-road capability, including more off-road ground clearance and water fording capability compared with previous generations
• All-new vehicle architecture, independent front and rear suspensions and class-exclusive Quadra-Lift air suspension with electronic adaptive damping deliver class-leading capability and premium on-road driving dynamics
• Authentic exterior design and world-class craftsmanship convey a refined, new body style with signature Jeep design cues, including Jeep’s signature seven-slot grille, aggressive front approach angle and trapezoidal wheel arches
• Premium, spacious interior features standard 10-inch display screens across the instrument panel, including a frameless digital gauge cluster and touchscreen radio, all-new LED lighting with ambient features, driver and front passenger seat massage and personalized climate zones
• Hand-wrapped, quilted Palermo leather, open-pore Waxed Walnut wood, 21-inch wheels and standard premium amenities elevate new Summit Reserve Package to highest levels of luxury
• Equipped with more than 110 advanced safety and security features, including L2 driver-assist systems with hands-on automated driving, along with 360-degree surround view and night vision cameras; advanced hands-free L2 automated driving system will be available in late 2021 on the 2022 Grand Cherokee L
• Next-generation technologies, including the most advanced Uconnect system ever with wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, windshield Head-up Display (HUD), digital rearview mirror, frameless digital cluster, rear seat monitoring camera and an exclusive and premium 960-watt, 19-speaker McIntosh audio sound system
• Jeep Wave® customer service program comes standard with the all-new Grand Cherokee
• Jeep Grand Cherokee L arrives in Jeep dealerships the second quarter of 2021; all-new Jeep Grand Cherokee two-row and its 4xe electrified version scheduled to debut later in 2021

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The use of lightweight, high-strength aluminum closures, including the hood and tailgate, help reduce weight and boost fuel economy. The Jeep engineering team reduced weight by mounting the axle directly to the engine, along with a solid-mounted aluminum front cradle, aluminum engine mounts and steering gear, a magnesium cross-car beam, aluminum shock towers and an all-new electronic master brake booster system. To help meet weight, impact and to improve durability, the Grand Cherokee L body structure employs the latest grades of Generation 3 steel. The next-generation steel gave engineering and design teams the ability to cold stamp complex parts from higher strength materials, which was not possible in the past, creating a more robust and innovative body structure.
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Jeep Grand Cherokee is widely known for its klix on-road driving dynamics and quietness, thanks in part to its front and rear independent suspension. For 2021, Grand Cherokee L employs a newly located front virtual ball joint to improve lateral control and a multi-link rear suspension that enables improvement in ride comfort and routine handling. An enhanced engine box with a shock-to-shock tower brace improves local lateral stiffness by 125 percent. A new variable-rate air spring suspension continuously adjusts stiffness to loading conditions to further compliment the vehicle’s legendary off-road capability. Premium manners are enhanced with approximately 6,500 welds in the body alone.
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For the first time ever on Grand Cherokee, the front axle is bolted directly to the engine to allow for better management of noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) and superior driving dynamics thanks in part to its lower center of gravity. New active/electronic engine mounts absorb more vibration and movement when at idle, but stiffen at higher speeds to optimize ride glide. This is a new feature available on Grand Cherokee and offers a new level of comfort, versatility and performance. An enhanced active noise cancellation system, along with a double-dash body, door seals and acoustic glass round out the enhancements that bring NVH and wind noise down to a whisper.
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The proportion of the all-new Grand Cherokee L was inspired by the original Wagoneer, Jeep’s first full-size luxury SUV. Grand Cherokee L’s lean profile features a longer hood and cab, which shifts the vehicle rearward to give a sense of motion with a ready to react response. A forward-tipped grille further enhances the length of the hood and gives a respectful nod to Wagoneer’s iconic design. A lowered, tapered roof improves aerodynamic performance and efficiency without sacrificing its cargo spaciousness and utility.
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A widened track (36mm increase) gives the Grand Cherokee L’s stance a quiet confidence. The wheel flares are pulled tautly around the tires to strengthen the Grand Cherokee L’s stature. The tires are flush with the body side to showcase signature trapezoidal wheel arches and, for the first time on a Grand Cherokee, 21-inch wheels come standard with the Summit Reserve Package.
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The rich mix of materials are contrasted by the sophisticated execution of the center stack, which has been realigned and is now even more accessible to the driver. A bright, structural element neatly frames the next-generation, 10.1-inch display for the new Uconnect 5 system. Also new is a 10.25-inch frameless digital gauge cluster with nearly two dozen different menus from which the user can select, including driver-assist technologies such as adaptive cruise control, highway assist, night vision, drowsy driver detection and speed limit traffic signs display (if equipped). To control the digital cluster, the Grand Cherokee L features an all-new multifunction steering wheel with paddle shifters. Summit models come standard with a leather-wrapped Absolute Oak steering wheel, and the Summit Reserve Package adds Waxed Walnut wood accents
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Grand Cherokee L introduces a new premium package, Summit Reserve, that sets the benchmark for luxury in the full-size SUV segment. Premium hand-wrapped, quilted Palermo leather, ventilated front and second-row seats, memory and massage front seats and choice of a new Tupelo interior color add distinguishable details to the model. Also unique to the Summit Reserve Package is genuine open-pore Waxed Walnut wood and premium, wrapped, suede-like fabric on the A-pillars and headliner.

Available first in the 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee L, FCA is currently the only automotive manufacturer in the world to carry a McIntosh audio sound system. The premium McIntosh audio system is available on Overland and Summit models and comes standard with the Summit Reserve Package. The advanced, high-performance audio system features a 17-channel amplifier with a maximum output of 950 watts and 19 speakers, including a 10-inch subwoofer, to envelope vehicle occupants in high-definition sound. The shared vision between FCA and McIntosh design teams resulted in a Jeep audio system with the same level of authenticity and design quality found on McIntosh home audio products. The system accentuates the updated and premium feel of the vehicle’s new interior design. Metal accents on Piano Black surfaces, illuminated branding and McIntosh’s signature blue-glowing power meter further exemplify the modern touches of luxury within the cabin’s interior.
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Designed to maximize overall passenger comfort, the all-new 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee L delivers unsurpassed third-row capacity and increased cargo volume. The vehicle’s 121.7-inch (3,091mm) wheelbase creates generous interior room and gives passengers expansive, class-leading legroom in the second row.
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Hands-free Active Driving Assist is FCA’s name for hands-free L2 assisted driving and will be available in late 2021 for 2022 model-year Grand Cherokee L Overland and Summit models. It offers hands-free driving at all speeds and lane centering on approved roadways for even greater driving convenience. The system also will predictively slow the vehicle down in tight curves and automatically resume control after the driver overrides and verifies that he or she is paying attention to the road.

Night Vision Camera, available on Overland and Summit models, uses thermographic technology to augment the reach of the Grand Cherokee L’s headlamps. Infrared sensors search for the heat signatures of pedestrians and animals in the road ahead, at distances up to 219 yards (200 meters). When located, an alert with their positions relative to the vehicle are outlined in the instrument cluster directly in front of the driver.

Ergonomics are a key benefit of the available, full-color Head-up Display (HUD). Available on Overland and Summit models, the system provides the driver with up to five different information elements, including Active Lane Management, adaptive cruise control, turn-by-turn navigation, current speed, current gear and speed limit.
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All-new Uconnect 5 system
The 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee L features the latest, most advanced Uconnect system ever, with a 10.1-inch display and intuitive user experience. The all-new Uconnect 5 delivers operating speeds that are five times faster when compared to the previous generation. By using an Android operating system and over-the-air (OTA) updates, Uconnect 5 brings flexibility that will allow the system to continuously evolve to offer new content, features and services.

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[ElRe]

Na jednom site-u pročitah

Grand Cherokee L ima standardno 2WD pogon, a 4WD je dostupan kao opcija.

Hoće li biti dizela za Evropu?

[kidney]

Grand Cherokee L sa 3 reda sjedala u baznom paketu opreme je samo 33 kg teži od starog Grand Cherokeea sa 2 reda sjedala iako je 38.5 cm duži, 2.5 cm širi i 5.5 cm viši.

[basicm]

Grand Cherokee L sa 3 reda sjedala u baznom paketu opreme je samo 33 kg teži od starog Grand Cherokeea sa 2 reda sjedala iako je 38.5 cm duži, 2.5 cm širi i 5.5 cm viši.

Da li je to dobro ili lose?

[kidney]

Da li je to dobro ili lose?

Pa rekao bih da je to odlično. Ovaj Grand Cherokee L je red veličine BMW X7 ili novog GLS-a. Tu je dužina od 5.21 metara. Sadašnji Grand Cherokee je dug 4.82 metra.

Naravno kasnije ove godine će doći direktna zamjena za sadašnji Grand Cherokee.