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#5026 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 11/09/2014 18:07
by amoninan
sarajevoxxxx wrote:Turska je mogla i bolje ovo odigrati, ali i ovo je za 10 :thumbup:

Bilo je uopste iznenadjenje sta oni rade uopste u toj koaliciji gdje se sve vrti oko Saudije.
Možda.

Inače, Turska i Saudija su bili na dobrom putu do Egipta... Fortune, Altayi.. KSA/UAE sponzorirani vojni udar u Egiptu je razvalio anti-Assad koaliciju Turska/Qatar/Egipat. Od tad, stvari kreću nizbrdo za opoziciju... helem.
Bilo je ovo očekivano od Erdogana... no vidjećemo. Kerry slijeće danas u Istanbul da zavrće ruku. Neka još malo..

#5027 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 11/09/2014 18:27
by amoninan
A cynical view on things to come after president Obama's speech by an IS foreign fighter in Syria

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opet, referenca na apokaliptični rat između islama i kršćanstva.

#5028 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 11/09/2014 18:39
by Lincoln-Burrows
Turskoj se smračilo pred očima kad je Zapad odlučio naoružati i obučavati Kurde,
čista računica je ne sudjelovati ili u suprotnom pomagati Kurde protiv ISIL-a.

Nisam očekivao sudjelovanje Turske ni pod razno.

#5029 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 11/09/2014 18:40
by amoninan
Lincoln-Burrows wrote:Turskoj se smračilo pred očima kad je Zapad odlučio naoružati i obučavati Kurde,
čista računica je ne sudjelovati ili u suprotnom pomagati Kurde protiv ISIL-a.

Nisam očekivao sudjelovanje Turske ni pod razno.
Zavisi koje Kurde.

#5030 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 11/09/2014 18:46
by Lincoln-Burrows
amoninan wrote:
Lincoln-Burrows wrote:Turskoj se smračilo pred očima kad je Zapad odlučio naoružati i obučavati Kurde,
čista računica je ne sudjelovati ili u suprotnom pomagati Kurde protiv ISIL-a.

Nisam očekivao sudjelovanje Turske ni pod razno.
Zavisi koje Kurde.
Pomagaće Kurde izvan Turske a ovima u Turskoj zagorčavato položaj,
mislim da je to nelogično. Zato ostaju kao fol neutralni, best buy.

#5031 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 11/09/2014 18:49
by amoninan
Lincoln-Burrows wrote:
amoninan wrote:
Lincoln-Burrows wrote:Turskoj se smračilo pred očima kad je Zapad odlučio naoružati i obučavati Kurde,
čista računica je ne sudjelovati ili u suprotnom pomagati Kurde protiv ISIL-a.

Nisam očekivao sudjelovanje Turske ni pod razno.
Zavisi koje Kurde.
Pomagaće Kurde izvan Turske a ovima u Turskoj zagorčavato položaj,
mislim da je to nelogično. Zato ostaju kao fol neutralni, best buy.
Pa Turci su pomagali Kurde, odnosno Berzanija i prije ove balade. Nemaju oni problem s KRGom, u granicama autonomije iz 91', i pod vodstvom Barzanija - Talabanija. PKK/YPG to je već druga priča.

#5032 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 11/09/2014 19:02
by Opetja033
amoninan wrote:Pa Turci su pomagali Kurde, odnosno Berzanija i prije ove balade. Nemaju oni problem s KRGom, u granicama autonomije iz 91', i pod vodstvom Barzanija - Talabanija. PKK/YPG to je već druga priča.

Pa za Talabanija i ne bih bio bas toliko siguran dok je Barzani njihov igrac 1/1. Za ostalo si sve u pravu.

Inace sam kratak sa vremenom ovih dana :wink:

#5033 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 11/09/2014 19:09
by amoninan
Opetja033 wrote:
amoninan wrote:Pa Turci su pomagali Kurde, odnosno Berzanija i prije ove balade. Nemaju oni problem s KRGom, u granicama autonomije iz 91', i pod vodstvom Barzanija - Talabanija. PKK/YPG to je već druga priča.

Pa za Talabanija i ne bih bio bas toliko siguran dok je Barzani njihov igrac 1/1. Za ostalo si sve u pravu.

Inace sam kratak sa vremenom ovih dana :wink:
Ma dobro, on im je drugi pick. Uglavnom, i s njim mogu za stol sjesti.

#5034 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 11/09/2014 19:28
by Ali Kemal
Turska ga pusi u svakom slucaju :oops:

#5035 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 11/09/2014 21:40
by Kikibombona
amoninan wrote:
Lincoln-Burrows wrote:Turskoj se smračilo pred očima kad je Zapad odlučio naoružati i obučavati Kurde,
čista računica je ne sudjelovati ili u suprotnom pomagati Kurde protiv ISIL-a.

Nisam očekivao sudjelovanje Turske ni pod razno.
Zavisi koje Kurde.
Ako udare na ISIL u Siriji, neminovno ce pomoci YPG i PKK na kopnu.

#5036 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 11/09/2014 23:35
by amoninan
ti se malo klonir'o..a :D

#5037 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 11/09/2014 23:39
by amoninan
Ali Kemal wrote:Turska ga pusi u svakom slucaju :oops:
U svakom, ne. U nekim opcijama



ako me razumiješ :D

#5038 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 11/09/2014 23:46
by amoninan
Inače, Obama je na čelo operacija protiv ISISa postavio Gen. Allena. Proveo je dvije godine na frontu u Anbaru.
Ovo je njegov intervju sa kraja prošlog mjeseca:

Gen. Allen: Destroy the Islamic State Now

http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2014/08 ... now/92012/

#5039 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 12/09/2014 00:24
by amoninan
Sunnis in Iraq Often See Their Government as the Bigger Threat

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/11/world ... middleeast

#5040 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 12/09/2014 01:06
by amoninan
CIA assesses ISIS can muster between 20,000 & 31,500 fighters across Iraq & Syria" - CIA spokesperson to AJAM

#5041 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 12/09/2014 01:57
by DaysleepeR
hehe, pozz :D

OBAMA’S BEST HOPE AGAINST ISIS WAS JUST KILLED, SO LET’S MAKE FRIENDS WITH IRAN

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014 ... is-policy/

#5042 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 12/09/2014 02:00
by amoninan
DaysleepeR wrote:hehe, pozz :D

OBAMA’S BEST HOPE AGAINST ISIS WAS JUST KILLED, SO LET’S MAKE FRIENDS WITH IRAN

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014 ... is-policy/
Fula. Rahmetli Aboud i ekipa nisu bili u tom kampu.

#5043 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 12/09/2014 07:47
by ibrajimix
Turska neçe da bude çlan koalicija protiv ISIS-a zato şto ISIS drzi 49 drzavljen turske kao taoca.

Zapadni media vec poceo neki akcija za legitimnost PKK-a. (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-t ... ia-n199821). A Turska neçe da PKK u Siriji i Iraku da bude oruzano sa jakom oruzjom i da dobija formacija profecionalna armija.

A Turksa je isto zabrinut o moguçnost saradnja ovaj koalicija sa Bashar al Assad-om u Siriji protiv ISIS u Siriji, şta bi pojaçao temelj Assad-ov rezim i nijegov medjunarodni priznanje.

Turska godinama pozvao Zapad za zajedniçki napad u Siriji i rekao da çe pomagat. Sirijski inteligencija El muhaberat ubio 50 ljudi u Hatay sa terroristiçki napadom. Assad nastavlja da koristi hemijski oruzje, ubije i Turkmene koji su u odgovornost Turske. Za Turska je jednako Assad i ISIS a ne bi bio çlan zapadni koalicije koji bih poniştio jedan od onih a pojaçao bih drugi.

Al ja mislim da najveci razlog je taoci.

#5044 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 12/09/2014 09:42
by amoninan
The Pros And Cons Of Military Intervention Against ISIS

http://www.theonion.com/articles/the-pr ... :1:Default

:D

#5045 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 12/09/2014 21:06
by amoninan
On the Origin of ISIS

Why has a terrorist state blossomed in Syria and Iraq?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/ ... tml?page=1

dobar, dobar...

#5046 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 13/09/2014 15:08
by siponja

#5047 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 14/09/2014 01:45
by Freamon Lester
Meni se cini da jedino ja vidim da ovdje najveca opasnost od ovih divljaka prijeti Turskoj koja je na granici sa njima.

Sta Erdoan ceka meni nije jasno. Ili prosli izbori pa nema vise potrebe za ratnim retorikama.

#5048 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 14/09/2014 04:20
by siponja
ne znam sa koje je ovo televizije, čini mi se da bi moglo biti sa neke iračke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_lcKnhf4X8

#5049 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 14/09/2014 04:31
by Grover
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Part 1 – OUR TERRORISTS

“This is an organisation that has an apocalyptic, end-of-days strategic vision which will eventually have to be defeated,” Gen Martin Dempsey, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a Pentagon press conference in August.

Military action is necessary to halt the spread of the ISIS/IS “cancer,” said President Obama. Yesterday, in his much anticipated address, he called for expanded airstrikes across Iraq and Syria, and new measures to arm and train Iraqi and Kurdish ground forces.

“The only way to defeat [IS] is to stand firm and to send a very straightforward message,” declared Prime Minister Cameron. “A country like ours will not be cowed by these barbaric killers.”

Missing from the chorus of outrage, however, has been any acknowledgement of the integral role of covert US and British regional military intelligence strategy in empowering and even directly sponsoring the very same virulent Islamist militants in Iraq, Syria and beyond, that went on to break away from al-Qaeda and form ‘ISIS’, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or now simply, the Islamic State (IS).

Since 2003, Anglo-American power has secretly and openly coordinated direct and indirect support for Islamist terrorist groups linked to al-Qaeda across the Middle East and North Africa. This ill-conceived patchwork geostrategy is a legacy of the persistent influence of neoconservative ideology, motivated by longstanding but often contradictory ambitions to dominate regional oil resources, defend an expansionist Israel, and in pursuit of these, re-draw the map of the Middle East.

Now despite Pentagon denials that there will be boots on the ground – and Obama’s insistence that this would not be another “Iraq war” – local Kurdish military and intelligence sources confirm that US and German special operations forces are already “on the ground here. They are helping to support us in the attack.” US airstrikes on ISIS positions and arms supplies to the Kurds have also been accompanied by British RAF reconnaissance flights over the region and UK weapons shipments to Kurdish peshmerga forces.


Divide and rule in Iraq

“It’s not that we don’t want the Salafis to throw bombs,” said one US government defense consultant']);">US government defense consultant in 2007. “It’s who they throw them at – Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Iran, and at the Syrians, if they continue to work with Hezbollah and Iran.”

Early during the 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq, the US covertly supplied arms to al-Qaeda affiliated insurgents even while ostensibly supporting an emerging Shi’a-dominated administration.

Pakistani defense sources interviewed by Asia Times in February 2005 confirmed that insurgents described as “former Ba’ath party” loyalists – who were being recruited and trained by “al-Qaeda in Iraq” under the leadership of the late Abu Musab Zarqawi – were being supplied Pakistan-manufactured weapons by the US. The arms shipments included rifles, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, ammunition, rockets and other light weaponry. These arms “could not be destined for the Iraqi security forces because US arms would be given to them”, a source told Syed Saleem Shahzad – the Times’ Pakistan bureau chief who, “known for his exposes of the Pakistani military” according to the New Yorker, was murdered in 2011. Rather, the US is playing a double-game to “head off” the threat of a “Shi’ite clergy-driven religious movement,” said the Pakistani defense source.....
http://www.mintpressnews.com/west-created-isis/196488/

#5050 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul

Posted: 14/09/2014 09:01
by apsidejzi
Ali Kemal wrote: Mislim da to sto radi USA u poslijednjih 10 godina sve veca greska za greskom.
Naprotiv, to sto USA radi posljednjih 10 godina nije greska nego ogromni uspjeh... oligarhije sa raznih strana svijeta. Koliko su samo nafte prodali po deset puta vecoj cijeni od nabavne jer da su imali normalan Irak imali bi 10 puta manje profita. Koga briga za ljudima kad mozes nesto kupiti za 1KM a prodati za 10KM u kolicini od nekoliko miliona DNEVNO. Velike su pare u pitanju da bi se ovo na bliskom istoku moglo nazvati greska za greskom. Ti ljudi ne grijese, nego igraju prljavo i bez empatije. Psihopate.