zomri wrote:dale cooper wrote:
I ti si uzeo definiciju sa wikija, pa ti nisam to uzeo za zlo.
Evo ti gore teksta i citata iz članka Kelefe Saneh.
da, onu koju prvo izbaci kad ukucaš u google
ti si naravno otišao na onu ispod koja ti više odgovara, a ne onu koja je relevantna
ne vidim kako sam po tom članku ja "proširivao na sve i svašta", i ako jesam nisam se puno odmakao od definicije. ispravi me ako griješim: naći ću desetine tvojih postova u kojima afirmativno govoriš o autentičnim legendama, herojima undergrounda, punkerima a vjerovatno 0 afirmativnih postova o čistom discu, Jesici Simpson ili Jali Bratu. Demantuj me
Obje su relevantne i obje isto znače. Problem je što ti iščitavaš tu definiciju kako tebi odgovara i onda lijepiš etikete proizvoljno.
Ako si pročitao i članak na wikiju i Morleyev članak za Guardian znaš ko je prvi smislio taj izraz i da je rockism originalno povezan sa
autentičnošću unutar same rock muzike i onoga šta po nekima jesta i šta nije rock muzika.
When the great Liverpudlian wit and singer Pete Wylie announced his Race Against Rockism campaign back in 1981, one or two music journalists writing in the one or two music magazines that existed then were very pleased. I was one of them, and was using the term "rockist" the minute after I read Wylie say it. Suddenly, you had a word that you could use to swiftly and yet fairly dismiss Phil Collins, a word you could use to explain why Wire were better than Yes. If the idea of rockism confused you, and you lazily thought Pink Floyd were automatically better than Gang of Four, and that good music had stopped with punk, you were a rockist and you were wrong.
It used to be that such abstract, speculative ideas about pop music were contained within the relatively klix music magazine world. It's taken 25-odd years for the rockism debate to make its way into a slightly bigger and more influential theatre, the spreading net, where there are thousands and thousands of zealously discriminating, pontificating bloggers doing the endless, precious work one or two of us did back then.
The current argument about rockism on the web, mainly in America, began with a New York Times piece on the subject 18 months ago. Alas, the prissy, pompous American debate about what rockism is or isn't lacks the key Wylie ingredient of humour. Many of the self-proclaimed American anti-rockists - or popists, or poptimists, or pop pricks - actually write with a kind of fussy, self-important rockist sheen. And for all their studious over-analysis, any definition of rockism is the same today as it's always been. Apart from the fact that if you don't instantly get it you never will, possibly because you've got better things to worry about, it's got something to do with a) the difference between Springsteen and Beefheart, albums and singles, intelligence and stupidity, glitter and denim, and shaky notions of authenticity and artificiality; b) being able to listen to Nick Drake and Christina Aguilera with the same levels of intensity; c) how rock groups hold their guitars and what they do with their legs as they hold their guitars; d) Q magazine, which turned hardcore rockist values into a glossy magazine; e) the fact that Franz Ferdinand are achingly nostalgic for anti-rockism but are themselves intrinsically rockist.
Anti-rockism was always violently pro-pop, largely because we original campaigning anti-rockists had been given such a tough time at school for liking Bowie and Bolan and not ELP and Led Zep. The continuing demonstration and distribution of anti-rockist principles is for me further revenge on the 1977 Rush fan who used to think I was retarded because I preferred Richard Hell. And quite simply, for reasons you will now appreciate, Coldplay, however they disguise themselves, are as ridiculously rockist as Rush.
Boldovao sam po meni ključne dijelove Morleyovog članka.
Pisao sam o discu mislim na onoj mojoj temi, afirmativno naravno. I zbog ljubavi prema samom žanru, ali i zbog njegove istorijske važnosti za druge žanrove. O Jessici i Jali nisam pisao jer ih nisam slušao (ne dovoljno), ali sam nebrojeno puta postavljao pop pjesme na raznim temama. Carly Rae, Taylor, Britney, Rihanna itd. Volim pop muziku.
Možda sam ja i rockist i poptimist.
