Drustveni status i uloga zena u religijama

[Bloo]

Yep...
držite se teme. Inače ode u širinu i dužinu i gubi se poenta.

[animals]

Idem spavati...
polozaj zena u Islamu, kako smo zakljucili je izvanredan...
Laku noc...

[Connaisseur Karlin]

kvantitaivno istrazivanje, jedna od rezultata :

Hinduizam

According to the available data for the selected states, the
status of women seems to be problematic in the world of
Hinduism (see more in Sugirtharajah, 1994; Chaudhuri, 2013).
Yet, their engagement in the labour market is better than in
the case of the Muslim states (women take up 36% of the
labour force, compared to 22% in the group of selected Muslim
states). Hinduism prohibits a woman’s economic independence
(Sugirtharajah, 1994), which is probably the cause of the
highest levels of inequality between genders. These data may
be determined by the fact that all of the analysed Hindu federal
states are affected by the policies of one federal government.
They have similar cultural, political and economic points of
departure, and the data for GII and university do not offer
information pertinent to the individual federal states. These
statistics are also considerably affected by the low level of
overall economic development of the Indian states

Budizam:

Simultaneously, we have confirmed that the most visible
women’s public presence can be found in the selected states
where the majority of inhabitants are the most secular.
In these societies, patriarchal religious traditions, which
predominate within the states with higher religiosity, do not
seem to be well engrained. Buddhist states selected for the
analysis exhibit a higher involvement of women in economic
life, with small differences between men and women in
literacy and education. The Buddhist society seems to be
more equal in terms of gender than the Christian, Muslim,
and Hindu societies (Cabezón, 1992; Gross, 1994).

Odlican zakjucak:

Despite
this, women should take more interest in religious doctrines
and participate in the formulation of new interpretations.
Under such influences, religious institutions might undergo
reforms more favourable to gender equality (Gross, 1994).
Muslim and Hindu societies are expected to undergo the
most significant changes in order to achieve this. But
changes can occur in the opposite direction as well, due to
the rise of religious fundamentalism and post-secularism
(Sturm, 2013). Even in the more liberal Christian and
Buddhist societies, progress towards absolute gender equality
has not reached its final destination. Civil societies and
governments should support gender equality and economic
emancipation, provide equal access to education, and strive
for an increased participation of women in politics. This
might strengthen democratic principles in relation to gender
equality, to the benefit of society as a whole

[beautyfool]

Djevojcice su kopije svojih mama pa tako ako im mame vole "pjevaljke" i slusaju non stop takve pjesme i oblace se u skladu s tim tako ce im se i kcerke i ponasati i oblaciti, ako im majke nose indijsku nosnju i nacrtaju onu tacku na celu, tako ce i kcerke htjeti da se oblace a ako mame nose hidzab i njihove kcerke ce htjeti da ih kopiraju, tako da ne kontam te komentare, o prisiljavanje djece i slicno, djeca se odgajaju u kuci a ne na ulici, djeca nose primjer ponasanja i izgleda iz kuce i to u svojim ocima vide kao pojam ljepote i uzora, naravno,ima i onih kome ulica odgaja djecu, ali to se odmah da raspoznati.

[Bloo]

Djevojcice su kopije svojih mama pa tako ako im mame vole "pjevaljke" i slusaju non stop takve pjesme i oblace se u skladu s tim tako ce im se i kcerke i ponasati i oblaciti, ako im majke nose indijsku nosnju i nacrtaju onu tacku na celu, tako ce i kcerke htjeti da se oblace a ako mame nose hidzab i njihove kcerke ce htjeti da ih kopiraju, tako da ne kontam te komentare, o prisiljavanje djece i slicno, djeca se odgajaju u kuci a ne na ulici, djeca nose primjer ponasanja i izgleda iz kuce i to u svojim ocima vide kao pojam ljepote i uzora, naravno,ima i onih kome ulica odgaja djecu, ali to se odmah da raspoznati.

Ne kontam paralelu sa ulicom.

Mislim da pisac posta vjerovatno mislio na to da nam se ne daje pravo slobodnog izbora da sami odlučimo da li želimo da pripadamo nekoj religiji (i sve što je prati od propisa), već da ti se to ugrađuje od malih nogu.
Odrastanje u nekoj religiji kao dio tradicije...

[beautyfool]

Djevojcice su kopije svojih mama pa tako ako im mame vole "pjevaljke" i slusaju non stop takve pjesme i oblace se u skladu s tim tako ce im se i kcerke i ponasati i oblaciti, ako im majke nose indijsku nosnju i nacrtaju onu tacku na celu, tako ce i kcerke htjeti da se oblace a ako mame nose hidzab i njihove kcerke ce htjeti da ih kopiraju, tako da ne kontam te komentare, o prisiljavanje djece i slicno, djeca se odgajaju u kuci a ne na ulici, djeca nose primjer ponasanja i izgleda iz kuce i to u svojim ocima vide kao pojam ljepote i uzora, naravno,ima i onih kome ulica odgaja djecu, ali to se odmah da raspoznati.

Ne kontam paralelu sa ulicom.

Mislim da pisac posta vjerovatno mislio na to da nam se ne daje pravo slobodnog izbora da sami odlučimo da li želimo da pripadamo nekoj religiji (i sve što je prati od propisa), već da ti se to ugrađuje od malih nogu.
Odrastanje u nekoj religiji kao dio tradicije...

Neko je komentarisao da se prisiljavaju djevojcice da s 10 godina idu pokrivene, pa sam zbog tog komentarisala, da ako je dijete odgojeno u porodicnom domu i roditelji koji se trude da usmjere dijete da njeguje moralne i vjerska nacela koja smatraju ispravnim, sasvim je prirodno da dijete ta nacela smatra lijepim i da zeli da se ponasa u skladu s tim. A kako ce se dijete ponasati i izgledati zavisi i od porodice i njihovih normi, tu sam navela za primjer "pjevaljke", indijsku nosnju, zenu sa hidzabom i dijete kojeg je ulica odgojila.

[Bloo]

Neko je komentarisao da se prisiljavaju djevojcice da s 10 godina idu pokrivene, pa sam zbog tog komentarisala, da ako je dijete odgojeno u porodicnom domu i roditelji koji se trude da usmjere dijete da njeguje moralne i vjerska nacela koja smatraju ispravnim, sasvim je prirodno da dijete ta nacela smatra lijepim i da zeli da se ponasa u skladu s tim. A kako ce se dijete ponasati i izgledati zavisi i od porodice i njihovih normi, tu sam navela za primjer "pjevaljke", indijsku nosnju, zenu sa hidzabom i dijete kojeg je ulica odgojila.

Da, a ja se referirah na njegov post u svjetlu koliko je naš izbor religije stvar slobodne volje i izbora, a koliko je "nametnut" na način da smo odrasli tradicijski u tom okruženju i da nam je to usađeno još dok nismo mogli uopšte da rezonujemo ispravno o tim stvarima.
Koliko od nas je vjernika jer je "otkrilo" Boga, a koliko jer ne zna da postoji i život bez boga, već je on odvuijek bio tu i svi prateći propisi.

[beautyfool]

Neko je komentarisao da se prisiljavaju djevojcice da s 10 godina idu pokrivene, pa sam zbog tog komentarisala, da ako je dijete odgojeno u porodicnom domu i roditelji koji se trude da usmjere dijete da njeguje moralne i vjerska nacela koja smatraju ispravnim, sasvim je prirodno da dijete ta nacela smatra lijepim i da zeli da se ponasa u skladu s tim. A kako ce se dijete ponasati i izgledati zavisi i od porodice i njihovih normi, tu sam navela za primjer "pjevaljke", indijsku nosnju, zenu sa hidzabom i dijete kojeg je ulica odgojila.

Da, a ja se referirah na njegov post u svjetlu koliko je naš izbor religije stvar slobodne volje i izbora, a koliko je "nametnut" na način da smo odrasli tradicijski u tom okruženju i da nam je to usađeno još dok nismo mogli uopšte da rezonujemo ispravno o tim stvarima.
Koliko od nas je vjernika jer je "otkrilo" Boga, a koliko jer ne zna da postoji i život bez boga, već je on odvuijek bio tu i svi prateći propisi.

Pa to se isto moze i reci sa moralnim nacelima, da namecemo djeci da budu slicnih moralnih nacela kao mi, jer djeca kopiraju roditelje a ako roditelj nebrine o njihovom odgoju i usmjerenju onda svakako ulica hoce.
Naravno da cemo odgajati djecu u skladu onoga sto mi vjerujemo da je ispravno a ne u skladu tome sta komsija vjeruje.

[Gojeni H]

Ne kontam paralelu sa ulicom.

Mislim da pisac posta vjerovatno mislio na to da nam se ne daje pravo slobodnog izbora da sami odlučimo da li želimo da pripadamo nekoj religiji (i sve što je prati od propisa), već da ti se to ugrađuje od malih nogu.
Odrastanje u nekoj religiji kao dio tradicije...

Isto kao i odrastanje van religije kao dio tradicije ... ?

[Bloo]

Ne kontam paralelu sa ulicom.

Mislim da pisac posta vjerovatno mislio na to da nam se ne daje pravo slobodnog izbora da sami odlučimo da li želimo da pripadamo nekoj religiji (i sve što je prati od propisa), već da ti se to ugrađuje od malih nogu.
Odrastanje u nekoj religiji kao dio tradicije...

Isto kao i odrastanje van religije kao dio tradicije ... ?

Naravno

[Connaisseur Karlin]

Neko je komentarisao da se prisiljavaju djevojcice da s 10 godina idu pokrivene, pa sam zbog tog komentarisala, da ako je dijete odgojeno u porodicnom domu i roditelji koji se trude da usmjere dijete da njeguje moralne i vjerska nacela koja smatraju ispravnim, sasvim je prirodno da dijete ta nacela smatra lijepim i da zeli da se ponasa u skladu s tim. A kako ce se dijete ponasati i izgledati zavisi i od porodice i njihovih normi, tu sam navela za primjer "pjevaljke", indijsku nosnju, zenu sa hidzabom i dijete kojeg je ulica odgojila.

"prirodno" nije prirodno, vec je nauceno, a ucenje jeste jedna vrsta indoktrinacije, a nosenje hidzaba nije neophodno , kad odraste, neka odluci za sebe

Znam masu porodica imigranta u kojim j majka pokrivena, a kcerke nisu nikad bile pokrivene

Imam dvije kolegcie Indijke, ne nose tradicionalnu nosnju svaki dan, vec najcsce na svecanostimaili drugim vrstama druzenja

[Connaisseur Karlin]

Women in Christian Traditions

Before the rise of the feminist movement of the 1960s and 1970s little
attention was paid to women’s influence in constructing Christian life and practice. A
number of key thinkers contributed to the rise of a coherent feminist theology,
however, including African American, Latina, Chicana, Asian, African, and other
women who challenged the hegemony of white feminism by locating religious
thinking within lived experience. These theologians charted a new course for
the consideration of women in Christianity by including female saints, seers, and
scholars of the past and present in their theological and historical reflections.
Three main perspectives exist in feminist theologies today. The reformist school
believes that women can achieve gender equality in Christianity without
completely overhauling present structures. The reconstructionist school believes that
Christian institutions need radical change, not just reform. The rejectionist, or
revolutionary, school believes that Christianity is hopelessly patriarchal and can
never be redeemed. While a backlash against some adaptations occurred, a new
generation of theologians is returning to core Christian doctrines and reading
them through feminist lenses. By further examining the way that women have
helped to fashion Christian traditions we see the enormous debt this world
religion has to its female practitioners.

The first three chapters of the biblical book of Genesis have significantly shaped
Christian teachings. There are two creation stories in Genesis. In the first account,
men and women are created simultaneously, in the image and likeness
of God (Gen 1:26-27). In the second account, a woman is fashioned from the rib
of a non-gendered human in order to be that human’s helper or partner (Gen
2:4-25). A third story appears in Genesis 3, in which a serpent persuades the first
woman (not yet named Eve) to eat fruit from the forbidden tree of the knowledge
of good and evil. This last story functions etiologically, explaining why snakes
don’t have legs, why women have pain in pregnancy and are dominated by their
husbands, and why men have to work for a living. This story of the Garden of
Eden is important to Christians for two reasons. First, it establishes a soteriological
need for the coming of Jesus Christ to correct the problems caused by the
first humans. Second, it has been used to provide the justification for the subordination
of women. These first three chapters in Genesis provide the paradigm
by which Christians will understand gender relations, which can be classified as
gender equality (Gen 1), gender complementarity (Gen 2), and gender polarity
(Gen 3). While the New Testament record about Eve is rather mixed, later Christians
blame Eve and Eve’s daughters —all women—for sin, disobedience, temptation,
and even the death of Jesus.

Women and the Conversion of an Empire
The first four centuries of Christianity saw the expansion and the contraction
of women’s leadership of the early church. The apostle Paul has rather a mixed
reputation among feminists: on the one hand, he made clear statements of
gender equality and included women ministers and coworkers in his movements;
on the other hand, he says that the husband has authority over the wife and
suggests that celibacy is preferable to marriage. The New Testament book of
Acts describes a number of women leaders in the early Christian church, including
Lydia, Tabitha, and Priscilla, or Prisca. Translation errors have deliberately
misstated the klix offices that women held, and one error turned a woman,
Junia, into a man, Junias. The basic unit of organization in the Pauline churches
was the home, the sphere which women controlled. As the church became more
hierarchical, women were pushed out of leadership, although two church offices
remained for them. Widows were ordained to live a life of prayer and service,
while deaconesses prepared women catechumens for baptism and church membership.
Christian martyrs also included a number of women, since they could
achieve the equality with men in death that was denied them in life. Once the
persecutions ended a cult of virginity arose. If one could not die for the faith,
one could become a “spiritual athlete” who performed severe austerities and
self-denial. Asceticism virtually destroyed all that was feminine or womanly in the
ones who chose that path, virtually turning some female saints into men. Women
were further edged out of church leadership once the Emperor Constantine
legalized Christianity in the early fourth century. House churches were no longer
necessary for imperial Christianity. Despite these restrictions, the leadership of
women at the domestic level probably created more Christian converts than did
the writings of the major church theologians of that era.

Saints, Seers, and Scholars in the Middle Ages
Christianity spread throughout the Mediterranean world into Africa, Asia, and
Europe. It divided along geo-political lines, between the Greek-speaking Eastern
Roman Empire — also known as Byzantium—and the Latin-speaking Western Roman
Empire. Church government, practice, and even theology differed to a certain
extent. The women of the Orthodox, or Eastern Orthodox, churches differed
from their Western counterparts in their levels of literacy, education and activism.
Nevertheless, a number of empresses and wealthy women shaped Byzantine
Christianity by building churches, convents, and communities, and by resolving
the iconoclastic controversy. In contrast to their sisters in the East, churchwomen
in the West had an active intellectual life. Roman missionaries had reached the
British Isles, and there Celtic Christianity emerged, under the joint leadership of
women and men. Female missionaries then traveled to the continent to evangelize
pagan Europe and lay women contributed to church life in many different
ways. It was clear that professed religious life offered many opportunities for
women, particularly wealthy women, and gave them some freedom from male
domination. The abbess, for example, was ordained just as other clergy, and
performed many tasks considered today to belong solely to priests. But all of this
changed with a number of reforms that excluded women from education, from
religious life, and from religious office. Despite these limitations, women continued
to challenge existing norms, wresting money, property, and power from male
religious and secular leaders. The most significant group to arise in this period
was the Beguines, an independent laywomen’s association in which groups of
women voluntarily agreed to live and work together, but could later leave the
group to marry. Another development that affected women religious was the
humanization of Jesus, which accompanied the emergence of a clear doctrine of
transubstantiation. Mystics related to Jesus as females: as mother to baby Jesus;
as spouse and lover; as sharer in his final sufferings. Many nuns underwent severe
fasting and self-mortification in their identification with Jesus. A great outpouring
of mystical literature resulted from their experiences.

Women Reformed, Women Resistant
Geographical and theological differences prompted the rise of different reformations
in Christianity, radically transforming the status of women. The antipathy
of Lutheran and Calvinist reformers to the celibate life led to the valorization of
marriage. Women were then confined to Kinder, Küche, Kirche (children, kitchen,
and church) and banished from the world of business they had once dominated
in some fields. Religious vocations were eliminated with the closure of hundreds
of monasteries and convents. Some radical reformers destroyed anything that
resembled Catholicism: statues, organs, stained glass windows. Other radicals
created communities set apart from the world in order to live what they felt was
the pure Christian life. Groups like the Moravians and Quakers seemed to offer a
type of gender egalitarianism, even allowing women to preach to mixed groups.
In England, Queen Elizabeth I helped to create the Anglicanism that exists today,
while in France Jeanne d’Albret, Queen of Navarre, was acknowledged leader
of the French Protestants. Religious differences were not generally tolerated,
however, and the persecution of dissidents led to the execution of heretics and
of women who were seen as witches working with the Devil. Thousands, if not
hundreds of thousands, of women were put to death during the witch hunts.
The rise of rationalism in the Enlightenment may have helped to end the terror,
but it did not immediately raise the status of women. It took female intellectuals
writing about the need and desire for education among women to challenge
prevailing misogyny. The Catholic Reformation, for instance, saw an upsurge
in female scholars, as well as in the establishment of a number of new, activist
religious orders for women. Lay sisters worked among the poor in Europe, and in
the New World of North, Central, and South America. This era set the stage for
more revolutionary changes to come.

Spirit-Filled Women in the Nineteenth Century
The authority of the Holy Spirit over that of reason, scripture, or tradition, gave
women the power and legitimacy to challenge societal norms on religious
grounds. Industrialization was altering gender roles, and a cult of “True Womanhood”
attempted to place women on a pedestal: out of reach and out of trouble.
The missionary impulse begun in the sixteenth century continued well into the
nineteenth, with Catholic sisters educating women throughout the New World.
In addition, religious revivals occurring in America fostered a surge in women’s
participation in religious life at all levels, including preaching and teaching.
The desire to become holy, and to become perfect in love, furthered women’s
leadership roles, particularly in Methodist Christianity, and produced a “Holiness
Movement” that eventually spawned several new Christian denominations.
Nineteenth-century revivalism prompted an outpouring of activism in the area of
foreign missions, where women launched their own female-led boards of missions
because they were excluded by men’s groups. Educators and medical missionaries
traveled across Asia and Africa, primarily helping women and children.
African American women felt especially called to the mission field, seeing their
return to Africa as part of the providence of God. In the domestic mission field,
women directed social service programs such as rescue homes for prostitutes
and orphanages for children. One of the largest women’s reform efforts was the
Women’s Christian Temperance Union (WCTU), which saw alcohol consumption
by men as the cause of a host of social ills. Social reform efforts, inspired in part
by the WCTU, were initiated by Japanese and South Asian churchwomen. Women
also founded new branches of Christianity, some of which exist to this day:
the Salvation Army, the Church of Christ, Scientist, Seventh-day Adventism, and
the Foursquare Church. Finally, female evangelists, especially African Americans,
were instrumental in spreading Pentecostalism throughout the world, dramatically
changing the future of Christianity

Churchwomen on the Margins and in the Mainstream
The twentieth century saw momentum grow toward gender equality, in a radical
shift toward inclusion of women at all levels of church leadership. A conservative
reaction, however, attempted to restore complementary gender roles to women.
Women sought justice for the poor and amelioration of their problems as reformers
in the Social Gospel movement. They made up the backbone of the Civil
Rights movement, fighting racial oppression in the U.S. through activism, organizing,
and leadership, relying on the Bible as their moral and spiritual compass.
The quest for equality in the churches was manifested as a drive for ordination to
priestly or pastoral orders. Ordination meant not only preaching and teaching,
but also administering sacraments such as baptism and communion. A number
of trailblazers were ordained in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries,
but it wasn’t until the mid-1960s that most Protestant denominations ordained
women to the pastorate. The two largest branches of Christianity that do not
ordain women remain the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church,
although feminist activists in both branches agitated for ordination throughout
the second half of the twentieth century and into the twenty-first. Fundamentalist
Protestants also refused to hire women clergy in their churches. Conservative
churchwomen believed that secular feminists were destroying the nuclear family
by denigrating and abandoning women’s natural calling as homemakers and
mothers. These women saw themselves surrendering to God’s will in their lives,
rather than submitting to the dictates of their husbands. Conservative personal
ethics also marked the churchwomen at work throughout Asia and the Southern
Hemisphere, but their progressive social ethics set them apart. Women in Indonesia,
the Philippines, and Liberia show the different ways in which women are
challenging patriarchy and changing their worlds. A new generation of feminist
theologians in the U.S. and Europe, influenced by contacts with their sisters
abroad, are examining church teachings in light of the Christian encounter with
globalization and the extreme disparities between the rich and the poor.

Knjiga: Women in Christian Traditions, by Rebeca Moore b

[beautyfool]

Neko je komentarisao da se prisiljavaju djevojcice da s 10 godina idu pokrivene, pa sam zbog tog komentarisala, da ako je dijete odgojeno u porodicnom domu i roditelji koji se trude da usmjere dijete da njeguje moralne i vjerska nacela koja smatraju ispravnim, sasvim je prirodno da dijete ta nacela smatra lijepim i da zeli da se ponasa u skladu s tim. A kako ce se dijete ponasati i izgledati zavisi i od porodice i njihovih normi, tu sam navela za primjer "pjevaljke", indijsku nosnju, zenu sa hidzabom i dijete kojeg je ulica odgojila.

"prirodno" nije prirodno, vec je nauceno, a ucenje jeste jedna vrsta indoktrinacije, a nosenje hidzaba nije neophodno , kad odraste, neka odluci za sebe

Znam masu porodica imigranta u kojim j majka pokrivena, a kcerke nisu nikad bile pokrivene

Imam dvije kolegcie Indijke, ne nose tradicionalnu nosnju svaki dan, vec najcsce na svecanostimaili drugim vrstama druzenja

Ne razumijem koji dio ne razumijes u mom tekstu, priroda djece u tom uzrastu je da imitiraju ponasanje osoba sa kojima odrastaju, dakle svoje roditelje, tako da kako se roditelji ponasaju, tako ce se i njihova djeca ponasati, u vecini slucajeva, ja ne govorim o izuzetcima.

Tako da ako mame nose hidzab sasvim normalno je da djevojcice zele isti da nose, jednostavno zele da oponasaju svoje majke, neke nose stikle i oblace mini suknjice pa oponasaju mame a neke stavljaju hidzab i oblace duge haljine da oponasaju mame, googlaj malo o ponasanju djece u tom uzrastu ako vec nisi upoznata s tim.

Ja poznajem jako mnogo pokrivenih djevojaka i zena iz BiH i van nje ali nazalost ne poznajem niti jednu porodicu imigranta gdje je majka pokrivena a i nebih da ulazim u komentarisanje imigranata i njihovih problema.

[Connaisseur Karlin]

"prirodno" nije prirodno, vec je nauceno, a ucenje jeste jedna vrsta indoktrinacije, a nosenje hidzaba nije neophodno , kad odraste, neka odluci za sebe

Znam masu porodica imigranta u kojim j majka pokrivena, a kcerke nisu nikad bile pokrivene

Imam dvije kolegcie Indijke, ne nose tradicionalnu nosnju svaki dan, vec najcsce na svecanostimaili drugim vrstama druzenja

Ne razumijem koji dio ne razumijes u mom tekstu, priroda djece u tom uzrastu je da imitiraju ponasanje osoba sa kojima odrastaju, dakle svoje roditelje, tako da kako se roditelji ponasaju, tako ce se i njihova djeca ponasati, u vecini slucajeva, ja ne govorim o izuzetcima.

Tako da ako mame nose hidzab sasvim normalno je da djevojcice zele isti da nose, jednostavno zele da oponasaju svoje majke, neke nose stikle i oblace mini suknjice pa oponasaju mame a neke stavljaju hidzab i oblace duge haljine da oponasaju mame, googlaj malo o ponasanju djece u tom uzrastu ako vec nisi upoznata s tim.

Ja poznajem jako mnogo pokrivenih djevojaka i zena iz BiH i van nje ali nazalost ne poznajem niti jednu porodicu imigranta gdje je majka pokrivena a i nebih da ulazim u komentarisanje imigranata i njihovih problema.

necu ni dalje komentirati koliko je ovo gore napisano nelogicno,a to sam ranije obrazlozila

[beautyfool]

"prirodno" nije prirodno, vec je nauceno, a ucenje jeste jedna vrsta indoktrinacije, a nosenje hidzaba nije neophodno , kad odraste, neka odluci za sebe

Znam masu porodica imigranta u kojim j majka pokrivena, a kcerke nisu nikad bile pokrivene

Imam dvije kolegcie Indijke, ne nose tradicionalnu nosnju svaki dan, vec najcsce na svecanostimaili drugim vrstama druzenja

Ne razumijem koji dio ne razumijes u mom tekstu, priroda djece u tom uzrastu je da imitiraju ponasanje osoba sa kojima odrastaju, dakle svoje roditelje, tako da kako se roditelji ponasaju, tako ce se i njihova djeca ponasati, u vecini slucajeva, ja ne govorim o izuzetcima.

Tako da ako mame nose hidzab sasvim normalno je da djevojcice zele isti da nose, jednostavno zele da oponasaju svoje majke, neke nose stikle i oblace mini suknjice pa oponasaju mame a neke stavljaju hidzab i oblace duge haljine da oponasaju mame, googlaj malo o ponasanju djece u tom uzrastu ako vec nisi upoznata s tim.

Ja poznajem jako mnogo pokrivenih djevojaka i zena iz BiH i van nje ali nazalost ne poznajem niti jednu porodicu imigranta gdje je majka pokrivena a i nebih da ulazim u komentarisanje imigranata i njihovih problema.

necu ni dalje komentirati koliko je ovo gore napisano nelogicno,a to sam ranije obrazlozila

Pa nisam ni mislila da ce tebi biti logicno, moja i tvoja logika se nikako ne slazu

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necu ni dalje komentirati koliko je ovo gore napisano nelogicno,a to sam ranije obrazlozila

Pa nisam ni mislila da ce tebi biti logicno, moja i tvoja logika se nikako ne slazu

ja sam postaavila primjere iz zivota osoba koje znam , pokrivene i otkrivene, porijkelom iz iste drzave meni su zivotni primjeri najbolji dokaz protiv tvoje logike

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ja sam postaavila primjere iz zivota osoba koje znam , pokrivene i otkrivene, porijkelom iz iste drzave meni su zivotni primjeri najbolji dokaz protiv tvoje logike

Primjeri koje je beautiful navela su takodje zivotni primjeri kojima licno svjedocim, u mom komsiluku tri takva primjera

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"prirodno" nije prirodno, vec je nauceno, a ucenje jeste jedna vrsta indoktrinacije, a nosenje hidzaba nije neophodno , kad odraste, neka odluci za sebe

Po toj logici dijete cemo u skolu ili vani da se igra slati bez ikakve odjece jer sta god joj obucemo to ona nije odlucila za sebe vec mi, hajmo cekati da odraste pa ona odluci, zasto joj nameces traperice ili haljinicu, mozda ona kad odraste zeli hidzab?
Ili je po automatizmu danas normalno da i djevojcice u prvom osnovne nose uske traperice koje su izmisljene na zapadu a kojima je primarna uloga oslikati guzu i svima dati mogucnost da vidimo njen oblik?

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"prirodno" nije prirodno, vec je nauceno, a ucenje jeste jedna vrsta indoktrinacije, a nosenje hidzaba nije neophodno , kad odraste, neka odluci za sebe

Po toj logici dijete cemo u skolu ili vani da se igra slati bez ikakve odjece jer sta god joj obucemo to ona nije odlucila za sebe vec mi, hajmo cekati da odraste pa ona odluci, zasto joj nameces traperice ili haljinicu, mozda ona kad odraste zeli hidzab?
Ili je po automatizmu danas normalno da i djevojcice u prvom osnovne nose uske traperice koje su izmisljene na zapadu a kojima je primarna uloga oslikati guzu i svima dati mogucnost da vidimo njen oblik?

Da se hoce vratit zivot na prirodno bilo bi predobro. Vako svak prezivljava i pravi djecu (a vecina ih prezivi) i onda handri trziste rada jer puno ljudi a malo poslova znaci manja plata.

[Connaisseur Karlin]

"prirodno" nije prirodno, vec je nauceno, a ucenje jeste jedna vrsta indoktrinacije, a nosenje hidzaba nije neophodno , kad odraste, neka odluci za sebe

Po toj logici dijete cemo u skolu ili vani da se igra slati bez ikakve odjece jer sta god joj obucemo to ona nije odlucila za sebe vec mi, hajmo cekati da odraste pa ona odluci, zasto joj nameces traperice ili haljinicu, mozda ona kad odraste zeli hidzab?
Ili je po automatizmu danas normalno da i djevojcice u prvom osnovne nose uske traperice koje su izmisljene na zapadu a kojima je primarna uloga oslikati guzu i svima dati mogucnost da vidimo njen oblik?

nema potrebe uciti djecu da nose maramu, to mogu kasnije samostalno odluciti u Kuranu to ne pise, nije pravilo i nije nardeba cka ni odrasle muslimanke ne moraju nositti maramu

glupo je dadalje postavljas primjere loseg odijevanja, to nije tema

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Wonder why some Jewish women cover their hair with wigs, scarves or hats? Get the answer here.

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nema potrebe uciti djecu da nose maramu, to mogu kasnije samostalno odluciti u Kuranu to ne pise, nije pravilo i nije nardeba cka ni odrasle muslimanke ne moraju nositti maramu

glupo je dadalje postavljas primjere loseg odijevanja, to nije tema

Ako hoces da ti kcerka bude pokrivena logicno da ces je uciti(ne tjerati da nosi, vec uciti o tome) da nosi maramu, jer vrlo je tesko da sama odabere taj put s obzirom u kakvom drustvu zivimo, sta nam se nudi na televiziji, internetu pa i vani, kad vidi da sve drugarice nose traperice sanse da ona bude suprotna tome su jako niske, nazalost. S toga je uloga roditelja kljucna u tome, ako cemo iskreno.

S druge strane, suvisno je i komentarisati navod da odrasle muslimanke nisu duzne nositi maramu. Ti kvazi stavovi nekih "borkinja" za zensku slobodu su davno demantovani i deargumentovani.

edit: nije glupo da postavljam one primjere, volio bih odgovor, zasto djeci oblacimo haljinice i traperice bez njihove odluke, mi smo za njih to kupili i naucili da to treba da nosimo, sto ne cekamo da odrastu? Dakle prihvatili smo nametnute norme oblacenja ali religijski stil je sporan?

[Connaisseur Karlin]

nema potrebe uciti djecu da nose maramu, to mogu kasnije samostalno odluciti u Kuranu to ne pise, nije pravilo i nije nardeba cka ni odrasle muslimanke ne moraju nositti maramu

glupo je dadalje postavljas primjere loseg odijevanja, to nije tema

Ako hoces da ti kcerka bude pokrivena logicno da ces je uciti(ne tjerati da nosi, vec uciti o tome) da nosi maramu, jer vrlo je tesko da sama odabere taj put s obzirom u kakvom drustvu zivimo, sta nam se nudi na televiziji, internetu pa i vani, kad vidi da sve drugarice nose traperice sanse da ona bude suprotna tome su jako niske, nazalost. S toga je uloga roditelja kljucna u tome, ako cemo iskreno.

S druge strane, suvisno je i komentarisati navod da odrasle muslimanke nisu duzne nositi maramu. Ti kvazi stavovi nekih "borkinja" za zensku slobodu su davno demantovani i deargumentovani.

edit: nije glupo da postavljam one primjere, volio bih odgovor, zasto djeci oblacimo haljinice i traperice bez njihove odluke, mi smo za njih to kupili i naucili da to treba da nosimo, sto ne cekamo da odrastu? Dakle prihvatili smo nametnute norme oblacenja ali religijski stil je sporan?

Pokrivanje muslimanki i jevrjeki nije naredjeno, nije pravilo , i ne mora se slijediti , jer isto pravilo ne posotji u svetim knjigma pokrivanje djece je akt dogmatske indoktrinacije Pusti djete da raste , a kad odraste, amostlano ce izabrati opcije.
Oblacenje djece name veze sa hidzabom/maramom

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Pokrivanje muslimanki i jevrjeki nije naredjeno, nije pravilo , i ne mora se slijediti , jer isto pravilo ne posotji u svetim knjigma pokrivanje djece je akt dogmatske indoktrinacije Pusti djete da raste , a kad odraste, amostlano ce izabrati opcije.
Oblacenje djece name veze sa hidzabom/maramom

Dobro, mozes slobodno tvrditi da to pravilo ne postoji u Kur'anu iako 1,6 milijardi muslimana danas a i onih prije nas nekim cudom skontalo da postoji, a ja od danas tvrdim da je mlijeko crno i da je Bosna prva u evropi po zaposlenosti.
Nisam rekao da dijecu treba pokriti vec ih uciti sta je to hidzab ako vec imas kao roditelj zelju da ti dijete nosi maramu kad odraste.
Oblacenje uskih traperica i kratkih ljetnih haljinica je takodje akd indoktrinacije, ucimo djecu da hodaju golisava, licemjerno zar ne

[Connaisseur Karlin]

Pokrivanje muslimanki i jevrjeki nije naredjeno, nije pravilo , i ne mora se slijediti , jer isto pravilo ne posotji u svetim knjigma pokrivanje djece je akt dogmatske indoktrinacije Pusti djete da raste , a kad odraste, amostlano ce izabrati opcije.
Oblacenje djece name veze sa hidzabom/maramom

Dobro, mozes slobodno tvrditi da to pravilo ne postoji u Kur'anu iako 1,6 milijardi muslimana danas a i onih prije nas nekim cudom skontalo da postoji, a ja od danas tvrdim da je mlijeko crno i da je Bosna prva u evropi po zaposlenosti.
Nisam rekao da dijecu treba pokriti vec ih uciti sta je to hidzab ako vec imas kao roditelj zelju da ti dijete nosi maramu kad odraste.
Oblacenje uskih traperica i kratkih ljetnih haljinica je takodje akd indoktrinacije, ucimo djecu da hodaju golisava, licemjerno zar ne

akt dogamteske idnotkrinacije je upravo akt uleme da uvjeri populaciju da postoji , to im je posao

pravilo ne postoji cka ni u Kuranu gdje pise da se djeci stavlja hidzab na glavu u Kuranu?