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smijesni_ste wrote: 01/03/2022 01:43
GandalfSivi wrote: 01/03/2022 01:34

Kad filozofi pocnu pricati o ekonomiji. Pogledati rublju i rusku berzu (salim se, ta je zatvorena), pa onda pricati…
Malo si polupao lončiće...

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Pa jace tekstove citam na ovom forumu nego ovo :-)
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#49827 Re: Ukrajina

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AlfaBetaGama wrote: 01/03/2022 01:48

Pa jace tekstove citam na ovom forumu nego ovo :-)
To je druga priča, ja sam samo reagovao na ovo 'filozof priča o ekonomiji', a čovjek piše o ekonomskim temama X godina...
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#49828 Re: Ukrajina

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Edin H. wrote: 01/03/2022 01:45 Počeli su pričati u Engleskoj da NATO uvede zabranu leta nad Ukrajinom. Rock & Roll.
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pinkman wrote: 01/03/2022 01:50
Edin H. wrote: 01/03/2022 01:45 Počeli su pričati u Engleskoj da NATO uvede zabranu leta nad Ukrajinom. Rock & Roll.
Normalno da nece, to bi bio WWIII.
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valjalo je ukrajincima zivjet sa rusima.... prvo ih je jebavo staljin i pobio milione i namjernim izgladnjivanjem..... pa ih je jebavo CKKP - sa cernobilskom katastrofom.... malo svijetla sunca ugledali i ponovo ruska cizma.....

ako bi ko trebo da razumije trebali bi mi - al ocito smo se skroz predali apatiji kad nas ne zanima ni nasa sudbina vise.....
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#49831 Re: Ukrajina

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geralt wrote: 01/03/2022 01:53
pinkman wrote: 01/03/2022 01:50

Normalno da nece, to bi bio WWIII.
Ja se nadam
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#49832 Re: Ukrajina

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Ne razumijem ni ruse, danas bas slusam americkog generala kaze kad se ide u konvoj nikad ne vozis jedan iza drugog bas zbog toga ako napadnu da je manja steta, a onda vidim ove konvoje cak po 3 jedan do drugog stoje, i onda ovi iza isto tako ni metar nisu udaljeni. Jedna raketa ode najmanje 5-6 vozila.
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#49833 Re: Ukrajina

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systemrebel wrote: 01/03/2022 01:55 valjalo je ukrajincima zivjet sa rusima.... prvo ih je jebavo staljin i pobio milione i namjernim izgladnjivanjem..... pa ih je jebavo CKKP - sa cernobilskom katastrofom.... malo svijetla sunca ugledali i ponovo ruska cizma.....

ako bi ko trebo da razumije trebali bi mi - al ocito smo se skroz predali apatiji kad nas ne zanima ni nasa sudbina vise.....
Sutra da Srbi krenu u otcjepljenje rekli bi neka nose, svakako im je Alija potpisao i sucurali Allahu da ne puca i povratak u dnevnu dozu Bosnje (shisha, zavrni, prevari, mito, korupcija,dzuma)
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#49834 Re: Ukrajina

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smijesni_ste wrote: 01/03/2022 01:43
GandalfSivi wrote: 01/03/2022 01:34

Kad filozofi pocnu pricati o ekonomiji. Pogledati rublju i rusku berzu (salim se, ta je zatvorena), pa onda pricati…
Malo si polupao lončiće...

https://rs.linkedin.com/in/aleksandar-m ... -6b25b0125
Jos gore, trebao bi se razumjeti u tematiku, ali fula… Cuj Ukrajina stoji sama, a bukvalno se cijeli zapadni svijet ujedinio, sto u vojnoj pomoci, sto u sankcijama…
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#49835 Re: Ukrajina

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nadjoh opus i djelo ovog manijaka koji je koštao ukrajince miliona zivota..... diskutabilno je jediino je li i svabo bio okrutan ko rus.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich

covjek je vlastitog brata zavalio da bi dokazao vjernost Staljinu.....
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#49836 Re: Ukrajina

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systemrebel wrote: 01/03/2022 02:02 nadjoh opus i djelo ovog manijaka koji je koštao ukrajince miliona zivota..... diskutabilno je jediino je li i svabo bio okrutan ko rus.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich

covjek je vlastitog brata zavalio da bi dokazao vjernost Staljinu.....
Ja sad puno bolje kontam Balkanskog spijuna :D
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#49837 Re: Ukrajina

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Inace, mislim da je ovo ipak razlog napada.

Ruska geopoliticka doktrina ne zeli Ukrajini dopustit da postane konkurent u naftnoj industriji i nadilazi vojne saveze i operacije. Svaka opcija u kojoj Ukrajina legitimno izabere vlast koja zeli uci u EU je nedopustiva, NATO je samo patka. Rusija se ne boji vojske na granicama, nego Exxona i Shella na platformama Crnog mora. U tom smislu, Ukrajina je uvijek imala samo dvije opcije, imat uvijek prorusku vladu ili bit zrtva ruskog napada.
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#49838 Re: Ukrajina

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ne volim se bacat genetikom, genealijama.... al kad u usranoj policiji predas aplikaciju za policajca - ne jebu sto si ti fin nego ko ti je bio pradedo, dedo, babo i sta su radili..... gleda se genetika.....

ja kroz citavu istoriju gdje god sam sta cito o ruskom carstvu propraceno je masivnim zlocinima, likvidacijama, egzekucijama...... to nije od juce, 5 dana, 500 dana nego stotinama godina stara geneza zlocina....

valjda u toj teskoj tuzi inspiraciju za umjetnost u svem jadu cemeru i bijedi - nadjose vrhunski ruski umjetnici..... :run:
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#49839 Re: Ukrajina

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systemrebel wrote: 01/03/2022 02:11 ne volim se bacat genetikom, genealijama.... al kad u usranoj policiji predas aplikaciju za policajca - ne jebu sto si ti fin nego ko ti je bio pradedo, dedo, babo i sta su radili..... gleda se genetika.....

ja kroz citavu istoriju gdje god sam sta cito o ruskom carstvu propraceno je masivnim zlocinima, likvidacijama, egzekucijama...... to nije od juce, 5 dana, 500 dana nego stotinama godina stara geneza zlocina....

valjda u toj teskoj tuzi inspiraciju za umjetnost u svem jadu cemeru i bijedi - nadjose vrhunski ruski umjetnici..... :run:
Da su normalni sad bi ih bila milijarda :D
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#49840 Re: Ukrajina

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sime_cipol wrote: 01/03/2022 02:15
systemrebel wrote: 01/03/2022 02:11 ne volim se bacat genetikom, genealijama.... al kad u usranoj policiji predas aplikaciju za policajca - ne jebu sto si ti fin nego ko ti je bio pradedo, dedo, babo i sta su radili..... gleda se genetika.....

ja kroz citavu istoriju gdje god sam sta cito o ruskom carstvu propraceno je masivnim zlocinima, likvidacijama, egzekucijama...... to nije od juce, 5 dana, 500 dana nego stotinama godina stara geneza zlocina....

valjda u toj teskoj tuzi inspiraciju za umjetnost u svem jadu cemeru i bijedi - nadjose vrhunski ruski umjetnici..... :run:
Da su normalni sad bi ih bila milijarda :D
legende kazu da kad su popusili od YUG u kosarci nekad - poslase citav strucni stab u SIbir.....
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#49841 Re: Ukrajina

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8-)
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#49842 Re: Ukrajina

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Sta poslije Ukrajine?
Izlazak Mađarske iz NATO i EU i priklanjanje Rusiji? Ili ce prije toga Mađarski nacionalisti smijeniti Orbana?
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#49843 Re: Ukrajina

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Stabilizator wrote: 28/02/2022 23:58
ladacoko wrote: 28/02/2022 23:54 https://www.6yka.com/novosti/sarajevo-p ... a-mir-foto

Da li ima u nasoj vukojebni 100tinjka osoba koja smiju i znaju napravit protest sutra s ciljem upiranjem na Rs kao rusku prciju ?

To treba da bude u prvom planu. Treba upirati prstom u balkanske male ruse u sred Evrope.
Siri paniku, ja saljem svakom ovom twiterasu ovaj link oko dodika i lavrova
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#49844 Re: Ukrajina

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8-)
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#49845 Re: Ukrajina

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Nespin wrote: 01/03/2022 02:24 https://www.klix.ba/magazin/film-tv/ces ... /220228173

Nego šta ćemo sa Emirom, ostaće nam bez plate jadan u Ruskom državnom teatru, vratiće se poderanih gaća, a imao je tako grandiozne planove za teatarski program u čast ruskog ujedinjenja? 😂
Kolika mu je plata? Dva kamiona rublji :? :D
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#49846 Re: Ukrajina

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Stabilizator wrote: 28/02/2022 23:58
ladacoko wrote: 28/02/2022 23:54 https://www.6yka.com/novosti/sarajevo-p ... a-mir-foto

Da li ima u nasoj vukojebni 100tinjka osoba koja smiju i znaju napravit protest sutra s ciljem upiranjem na Rs kao rusku prciju ?

To treba da bude u prvom planu. Treba upirati prstom u balkanske male ruse u sred Evrope.
Siri paniku, ja saljem svakom ovom twiterasu ovaj link oko dodika i lavrova
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#49847 Re: Ukrajina

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8-)
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#49848 Re: Ukrajina

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splinter wrote: 01/03/2022 01:06
zagor_te_nej wrote: 01/03/2022 01:01

svaka čast ovim ljudima.

sramota ako kod nas se ne organizuje još neki skup podrške, a za to imamo idealnu priliku sutra, tj. danas ispred vječne vatre!
Ovo je snimka od pirje 4 dana. Denis Šeler je već u Ukrajini sa grupom dragovoljaca.
I sutra ce glasat ua milovanovica koji podrzava ruse
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#49849 Re: Ukrajina

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Golemo je ovo, putina ako ne koknu ide do kraja
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Kaže plan broj 6 je na snazi :lol:
Osvajanje cijele Ukrajine i onda asimilacija i ovih na zapadu Ukrajine. Na zapadu Ukrajine žive potomci ljudi koji su se Staljinovoj Crvenoj Armiji odupirali bez gotovo ikakve podrške iz inostranstva do sredine pedesetih.
Ovi sa zapada Ukrajine će im se krvi napiti ko niko :izet:
Engleska vikipedija ne laže o zbivanjima poslije Drugog svjetskog rata na zapadu Ukrajine :-D
Germany surrendered in May 1945, the Soviet authorities turned their attention to insurgencies taking place in Ukraine and the Baltics. Combat units were reorganised and special forces were sent in. One of the major complications that arose was the local support the UPA had from the population.

Areas of UPA activity were depopulated. The estimates on numbers deported vary; officially Soviet archives state that between 1944 and 1952 a total of 182,543 people[94][95] were deported while other sources indicate the number may have been as high as to 500,000.[96]

Mass arrests of suspected UPA informants or family members were conducted; between February 1944 and May 1946 over 250,000 people were arrested in Western Ukraine.[97] Those arrested typically experienced beatings or other violence. Those suspected of being UPA members underwent torture; reports exist of some prisoners being burned alive. The many arrested women believed to be affiliating with the UPA were subjected to torture, deprivation, and rape at the hands of Soviet security in order to "break" them and get them to reveal UPA members' identities and locations or to turn them into Soviet double-agents.[63] Mutilated corpses of captured rebels were put on public display.[73] Ultimately, between 1944 and 1952 alone as many as 600,000 people may have been arrested in Western Ukraine, with about one third executed and the rest imprisoned or exiled.[98]


Roman Shukhevych, the leader of the UPA
The UPA responded to the Soviet methods by unleashing their own terror against Soviet activists, suspected collaborators and their families. This work was particularly attributed to the Sluzhba Bezbeky (SB), the anti-espionage wing of the UPA. In a typical incident in Lviv region, in front of horrified villagers, UPA troops gouged out the eyes of two entire families suspected of reporting on insurgent movements to Soviet authorities, before hacking their bodies to pieces. Due to public outrage concerning these violent punitive acts, the UPA stopped the practice of killing the families of collaborators by mid-1945. Other victims of the UPA included Soviet activists sent to Galicia from other parts of the Soviet Union; heads of village Soviets, those sheltering or feeding Red Army personnel, and even people turning food in to collective farms. The effect of such terrorist acts was such that people refused to take posts as village heads, and until the late 1940s villages chose single men with no dependants as their leaders.[73]: 109 

The UPA also proved to be especially adept at assassinating key Soviet administrative officials. According to NKVD data, between February 1944 and December 1946 11,725 Soviet officers, agents and collaborators were assassinated and 2,401 were "missing", presumed kidnapped, in Western Ukraine.[73]: 113–114  In one county in Lviv region alone, from August 1944 until January 1945 Ukrainian rebels killed 10 members of the Soviet active and a secretary of the county Communist party, and also kidnapped four other officials. The UPA travelled at will throughout the area. In this county, there were no courts, no prosecutor's office, and the local NKVD only had three staff members.[73]: 113–114 

According to a 1946 report by Khrushchev's deputy for West Ukrainian affairs A.A. Stoiantsev, out of 42,175 operations and ambushes against the UPA by Destruction battalions in Western Ukraine, only 10 percent had positive results – in the vast majority there was either no contact or the individual unit was disarmed and pro-Soviet leaders murdered or kidnapped.[73]: 123  Morale amongst the NKVD in Western Ukraine was particularly low. Even within the dangerous context of Soviet state service in the late-Stalin era, West Ukraine was considered to be a "hardship post", and personnel files reveal higher rates of transfer requests, alcoholism, nervous breakdowns, and refusal to serve among NKVD field agents there at that time.[73]: 120 

The first success of the Soviet authorities came in early 1946 in the Carpathians, which were blockaded from 11 January until 10 April. The UPA operating there ceased to exist as a combat unit.[99] The continuous heavy casualties elsewhere forced the UPA to split into small units consisting of 100 soldiers. Many of the troops demobilized and returned home, when the Soviet Union offered three amnesties during 1947–1948.[85]

By 1946, the UPA was reduced to a core group of 5–10 thousand fighters, and large-scale UPA activity shifted to the Soviet-Polish border. Here, in 1947, they killed the Polish Communist deputy defence minister General Karol Świerczewski. In spring 1946, the OUN/UPA established contacts with the Intelligence services of France, Great Britain and the USAcus of their actions from mass terror to infiltration and espionage. After 1947 the UPA's activity began to subside. On May 30, 1947, Shukhevych issued instructions joining the OUN and UPA in underground warfare.[105] In 1947–1948 UPA resistance was weakened enough to allow the Soviets to begin implementation of large-scale collectivization throughout Western Ukraine.[24]

In 1948, the Soviet central authorities purged local officials who had mistreated peasants and engaged in "vicious methods". At the same time, Soviet agents planted within the UPA had taken their toll on morale and on the UPA's effectiveness. According to the writing of one slain Ukrainian rebel, "the Bolsheviks tried to take us from within...you can never know exactly in whose hands you will find yourself. From such a network of spies, the work of whole teams is often penetrated...". In November 1948, the work of Soviet agents led to two important victories against the UPA: the defeat and deaths of the heads of the most active UPA network in Western Ukraine, and the removal of "Myron", the head of the UPA's counter-intelligence SB unit.[73]: 125–130 

The Soviet authorities tried to win over the local population by making significant economic investment in Western Ukraine,[citation needed] and by setting up rapid reaction groups in many regions to combat the UPA. According to one retired MVD major, "By 1948 ideologically we had the support of most of the population."[85]

The UPA's leader, Roman Shukhevych, was killed during an ambush near Lviv on 5 March 1950. Although sporadic UPA activity continued until the mid-1950s, after Shukhevich's death the UPA rapidly lost its fighting capability. An assessment of UPA manpower by Soviet authorities on 17 April 1952 claimed that UPA/OUN had only 84 fighting units consisting of 252 persons. The UPA's last commander, Vasyl Kuk, was captured on 24 May 1954. Despite the existence of some insurgent groups, according to a report by the MGB of the Ukrainian SSR, the "liquidation of armed units and OUN underground was accomplished by the beginning of 1956".[105]

NKVD units dressed as UPA fighters[106] are known to have committed atrocities against the civilian population in order to discredit the UPA.[107] Among these NKVD units were those composed of former UPA fighters working for the NKVD.[108] The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) recently published information that about 150 such special groups consisting of 1,800 people operated until 1954.[109]

Prominent people killed by UPA insurgents during the anti-Soviet struggle included Metropolitan Oleksiy (Hromadsky) of the Ukrainian Autonomous Orthodox Church, killed while travelling in a German convoy,[110] and pro-Soviet writer Yaroslav Halan.[85]

In 1951 CIA covert operations chief Frank Wisner estimated that some 35,000 Soviet police troops and Communist party cadres had been eliminated by guerrillas affiliated with the Ukrainian Insurgent Army in the period after the end of World War II. Official Soviet figures for the losses inflicted by all types of Ukrainian nationalists during the period 1944–1953 referred to 30,676 persons; amongst them were 687 NKGB-MGB personnel, 1,864 NKVD-MVD personnel, 3,199 Soviet Army, Border Guards, and NKVD-MVD troops, 241 communist party leaders, 205 komsomol leaders and 2,590 members of self-defence units. According to Soviet data the remaining losses were among civilians, including 15,355 peasants and kolkhozniks.[111] Soviet archives state that between February 1944 and January 1946 the Soviet forces conducted 39,778 operations against the UPA, during which they killed a total of 103,313, captured a total of 8,370 OUN members and captured a total of 15,959 active insurgents.[112]

Many UPA members were imprisoned in the Gulag. They actively participated in Gulag uprisings (Kengir uprising, Norilsk uprising, Vorkuta uprising).

Soviet infiltration
In 1944–1945 the NKVD carried out 26,693 operations against the Ukrainian underground. These resulted in the deaths of 22,474 Ukrainian soldiers and the capture of 62,142 prisoners. During this time the NKVD formed special groups known as spetshrupy made up of former Soviet partisans. The goal of these groups was to discredit and disorganize the OUN and UPA. In August 1944, Sydir Kovpak was placed under NKVD authority. Posing as Ukrainian insurgents, these special formations used violence against the civilian population of Western Ukraine. In June 1945 there were 156 such special groups with 1783 members.[103]

From December 1945 to 1946, 15,562 operations were carried out in which 4,200 were killed and more than 9,400 were arrested. From 1944 to 1953, the Soviets killed 153,000 and arrested 134,000 members of the UPA. 66,000 families (204,000 people) were forcibly deported to Siberia, and half a million people were subject to repressions. In the same period Polish communist authorities deported 450,000 people.[103]

Soviet infiltration of British intelligence also meant that MI6 assisted in training some of the guerrillas in parachuting, and unmarked planes used to drop them into Ukraine from bases in Cyprus and Malta, was counter-acted by the fact that one MI6 agent with knowledge of the operation was the traitor Kim Philby. Working with Anthony Blunt, he alerted Soviet security forces about planned drops. Ukrainian guerrillas were intercepted and most were executed
According to John Armstrong, "If one takes into account the duration, geographical extent, and intensity of activity, the UPA very probably is the most important example of forceful resistance to an established Communist regime prior to the decade of fierce Afghan resistance beginning in 1979... the Hungarian revolution of 1956 was, of course, far more important, involving to some degree a population of nine million... however it lasted only a few weeks. In contrast, the more-or-less effective anti-Communist activity of the Ukrainian resistance forces lasted from mid-1944 until 1950"
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