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[omega369]

Prvo provjeriti ovjese, tek onda getribu
Jer znan zaribat

[kidney]

[kidney]

Ostaje li u ponudi 2.0 Mjet MT i AT sa standardnim AWD pogonom?

Zanimljiv je bućkuriš sa 1.0 i 1.3 motorima i mjenjačima.

Jedni idu samo sa MT, 150 KS ide sa dvostukom kvačilom, 180 KS ide sa 9b automatskim mjenjačem.

https://www.vidiauto.com/Testovi/Testir ... 9-4WD-TEST
https://autoportal.hr/aktualno/novosti/ ... injekcija/

Za Renegade navode prosječnu potrošnju od cca10l benzina što je po meni previše, tako da je 2.0 Multijet AWD i dalje najlogičniji izbor.

Nije istina da 1.3 puno troši.

Isto tako nije istina da je 2.0 MJT 4x4 izbačen iz ponude. Isti ima zaseban cjenik i listu opcija jer se isti i dalje proizvodi u Meksiku, a ne u Italiji.

[ElRe]

To ne znam, na testu kazu da troši.

Problem je jedino potrošnja goriva – na testu je izmjeren prosjek 10,2 l/100 km, a kad se vozi žešće, prelazi i 12. No u smirenoj se vožnji prosjek može spustiti na osam litara, niže od toga teško…

Bitno je da 2.0 Multijet nastavlja svoj put.

[sime_cipol]

Benzinac 180 KS, 4x4, automatik, aerodinamika trafike, ne znam sta ljudi ocekuju, da trosi 6 litara

[kidney]

Iz specifikacija ali i press materijala bi se dalo iščitati da je ovo novi 1.3. Ovaj ima novu turbinu i maksimalni okretni moment od 270 Nm je pri samo 1560 o/min. Dvije su razine snage, 130 odnosno 150 KS. Starija verzija je 150/180 KS sa 270 Nm pri 1850 o/min.

Sve u svemu Compass ima do 14 g/km manju emisiju CO2 sa 1.3 150 KS i DCCT mjenjačom nego Renegade sa istom kombinacijom. Doduše neki će reći da Renegade ima aerodinamiku kredence.
Konkretno za Compass je službena emisija CO2 od 125 g/km.

Sada je pitanje što će biti sa jačim verzijama 1.3 motora. Pa rekao bih da će njega dobrim dijelom ili u potpunosti zamijeniti nova verzija GSE motora sa P2 mild hibrdnim sklopom. Riječ je o 1.5 GSE T4 DOHC motoru. Naravno, ostavljam mogućnost da će biti i verzija 1.3 GSE T4 MultiAir sa ovim istim mild hibridnim sklopom.

[kidney]

Sljedeće godine P2 mild hibridi u raznim modelima sa Getrag 7HDT300 mjenjačom. Električni motor je u mjenjaču.

Hoće li koristiti još neki drugi mjenjač osim toga ne znam.

Pričam o P2 mild hibridima za vozila sa prednjim pogonom.

[ElRe]

Da li su obučili servisere za nove tehnologije? Iz iskustva znam da su u BiH i Srb jedva savladali multijet, a multiair još uče.

[ElRe]

EU ima određenih sumnji u vezi spajanja Fiata i PSA

https://www.seebiz.eu/auto-moto/eu-ima- ... psa/234097

Interesantno. Rješenje bi moglo biti da LCV ostanu nezavisni modeli (osim Ducata&Co). Talento = Traffic, Expert=Hiace, Doblo samostalan...

[kidney]

Francuski medij L'Argus tvrdi da je PSA grupacija odustala od plana po kojem je Opel trebao biti njihov R&D centar za LCV. To je sada Fiat.

[kidney]

Maserati presents Nettuno: the new 100% Maserati engine that adopts F1 technology for a road car

• Maserati Nettuno: 100% Maserati: 100% Made in Modena
  A futuristic engine produced by Maserati’s team of technicians and engineers, protected by international patents.
  Technical specifications confirmed for the new engine.
  Technological features derived from Formula 1, resulting in improved engine efficiency, increased performance and reduced consumption.
  The MC20 super sportscar, the first Maserati to adopt the new engine, will be presented during the “MMXX:The time to be audacious” event which will take place on 9 and 10 September in Modena
  Modena, 01 July 2020 – Maserati’s new era begins with a new engine.

The new engine is the beating heart of the MC20 super sportscar that will make its world premiere in September. The unit was designed at Maserati’s Modena facilities: the Maserati Innovation Lab on Via Emilia Ovest, the workshops on Via Delle Nazioni (Maserati Corse’s historic base) and developed at the Engine Hub, situated at the famous Viale Ciro Menotti address where it will be built. Currently the new production line and new paint shop are being modified to host the much-anticipated MC20.

The new engine is the result of a technical revolution, one protected by international patents. The project was born from the passion and commitment of a team of highly-qualified technicians and engineers. After twenty years, Maserati has once again enthusiastically taken on the challenge of returning to its Modena HQ with the development and production of a new, highly-technological, high-performance engine.

The operation is a strategic one for Maserati, a brand that, today, is preparing to launch the new MC20, a project that is ‘100% Made in Modena’ starting right from it’s engine, the heart of the new car.

An ambitious design, which represents a historic moment for the company, a new era that will officially begin on September 9 and 10 in Modena during the event, "MMXX: The time to be audacious". At the launch, new models will be revealed, which will go into production in the coming years, and innovative propulsion systems as well as ambitious programmes developed by the Casa del Tridente will be announced.

The new power unit is a V90° architecture, with a 3-litre, 6-cylinder twin-turbo, and features a dry sump (a classic solution on super sportscars). It delivers 630CV at 7500rpm and 730 Nm of torque from 3000rpm with a specific power output of 210CV/litre.

The compression ratio is 11:1, the stroke is 82 mm and the bore 88 mm.

The soul of the engine is the innovative pre-chamber combustion system featuring twin-spark plugs. This technology is derived from Formula 1 and is now available, for the first time, on an engine destined for the road.

The engine has three main features:

The pre-chamber: a combustion chamber is set between the central electrode and the traditional combustion chamber and connected by a series of specially-designed holes.

Lateral sparkplug: a traditional sparkplug acts as a support to ensure constant combustion when the engine is operating at a level that doesn’t need the pre-chamber to kick in.

Twin injection system – direct and indirect: linked to the fuel supply pressure at 350bar, the system reduces noise low down on the rev range, lowering emissions and improving consumption.

It is strategically important and supported by the Innovation Lab, which, thanks to virtual analysis, has allowed development and planning times to be notably reduced.

The new “Made in Modena” engine, a traditional 90° V6, has been taken to unheard of power and torque levels and will be used for the first time on the MC20 super sportscar. The MC20 will take Maserati back to the world of racing.

Engine Specs

Manufacturer
Maserati

Engine Architecture
V6 90°

Total displacement
3.0 l

Bore / Stroke
88 x 82 mm

Compression Ratio
11: 1

Firing Order
1-6-3-4-2-5

Max Power
630CV @ 7500 rpm

Max Torque
730 Nm @ 3000 – 5500 rpm

Engine Max Revs
8000 rpm

Turbochargers
Twin Side Turbo with electronic actuated Waste Gate

Ignition System
Twin Spark with passive prechamber

Lubrication pump
Fully variable oil pump

Lubrication system
Dry sump with scavenge pumps & external oil tank

Fuel System
PDI (Direct Injection 350bar + Port Injection 6bar)

Valvetrain & Timing
Double Over Head Camshaft with variable valve timing

Engine Width
1000 mm

Engine Height
650 mm

Engine Length
600 mm

Engine Mass (as per DIN GZ)
<220 kg

Emission Level
EU6D/China 6B/Ulev 70

[sime_cipol]

3.0 i 630 KS

[Romeo 80]

Ako sam dobro razumio, to bi trebalo biti originalni Maseratijev dizajn, ali da li je bas tako ili je ipak Ferrari upetljao svoje prste u izradu tog motora?!

[sime_cipol]

Po ovome sto citam izgleda da je motor 100% Maserati.

[kidney]

Ako sam dobro razumio, to bi trebalo biti originalni Maseratijev dizajn, ali da li je bas tako ili je ipak Ferrari upetljao svoje prste u izradu tog motora?!

Svi patenti su na Maserati uključujući onaj najvažniji. To je dizajn komore odnosno pred-komore. Bez toga kompresija od 11:1 ne bi bila moguća.

Doduše svi inženjeri su ex-Ferrari i do negdje 2015. su službeno radili u Ferrariju. Njihov projekt je bio Ferrari F154 V8, a kasnije Alfa Romeo V6 90°iz kojeg je ovaj novi i nastao. Čak je i ovaj bio prvotno planiran za Alfu.

[kidney]

Kao da nismo znali:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/c ... t-sharing/

[kidney]

Nova grupacija će se zvati Stellantis:
http://www.media.fcaemea.com/em-en/corp ... groupe-psa

[johntra]

Ništa ni s čim...
Mogli su kakvu izvedenicu od skraćenica...

[Optimist]

Mislim da sam danas vidio 2 Fiata po prvi put.
Jedan je ovaj sa slike, cini mi se Albea.


A drugi je Fiat pick up, koji je vjerovatno rebranding neke druge marke.

[konektovan]

Mislim da sam danas vidio 2 Fiata po prvi put.
Jedan je ovaj sa slike, cini mi se Albea.


A drugi je Fiat pick up, koji je vjerovatno rebranding neke druge marke.

Mitsubishii=fiat

[_BataZiv_0809]

Albea je nesto kao Siena tj. Palio sedan, mislim da je to prevashodno bilo namjenjeno Turskoj i Latinskoj Americi.

[kidney]

Evo malo sa proizvodne trake. Vidi se da je nova takozvana "skateboard" platforma. Tako slično i Tesla izgleda.

[Rockefeller]

[kidney]

U novom broju talijanskog Quattroruote magazina ima usporedni test Škoda Karoq 1.5 TSI 150 KS i Jeep Compass 1.3 GSE T4 150 KS.

Pogodite koji manje troši.

[bitanga_sa_otesa]

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