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-Chesterfield- wrote: ↑12/09/2021 20:50

Naslovnica wrote: ↑12/09/2021 20:20
Pijem Aspirin protect svako veče

Da li se pije ujutro ili pred spavanje? Ili nije bitno?

Koliko sam ja upratio, najbolje je naveče.

skafiskafsnjak wrote: ↑12/09/2021 19:43

cassius wrote: ↑12/09/2021 19:38

nazovi doktora svog ako imas , objasni da si se testirao tim testovima i et , objasni kako se osjecas. Tu je zdravstvo bar normalno.

javiti se.moram, da mi daju papir...da saljem u firmu da necu raditi.

Toliko sam se mislio, da li.bih se vakcinisao...i taman odlucim, strefi me ovo sad 6mj ne moram

hehe,što bi neko volio da je covid .
Ja bih rekao da je gripa jer ona dolazi iznenada,jučer dobar,danas temperatura.
Da si u Bosni,preporučio bih ti tylol hot,čini čuda.
Vjerujem da će i sa paracetamolom to biti ok i da nemaš brige dok god temperatura spada kada popiješ njega.
Eventualni problemi nogu nastati ako se temperatura ne smanjuje i to traje više od 3,4 dana

Gdje nam je doktor da nešto potvrdim

Da li je istina da ćemo svi oboljeti od korone, prije ili kasnije?

Zoya wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:30 Gdje nam je doktor da nešto potvrdim

Da li je istina da ćemo svi oboljeti od korone, prije ili kasnije?

Ko to kaze,zar nije vakcina spas?

preselio na ahiret wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:34

Zoya wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:30 Gdje nam je doktor da nešto potvrdim

Da li je istina da ćemo svi oboljeti od korone, prije ili kasnije?

Ko to kaze,zar nije vakcina spas?

Kazu istrazivanja, ima onaj John Campbel ili tako nesto video u kojem spominje te analize i istrazivanja.
I upravo u tome je poenta, vakcina jeste spas. Svi ce se zaraziti pa ce vakcinisani puno bolje proci.

skafilic wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:35

preselio na ahiret wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:34

Ko to kaze,zar nije vakcina spas?

Kazu istrazivanja, ima onaj John Campbel ili tako nesto video u kojem spominje te analize i istrazivanja.
I upravo u tome je poenta, vakcina jeste spas. Svi ce se zaraziti pa ce vakcinisani puno bolje proci.

Aha a kako to da se do sad nismo zarazili,evo prosle dvije godine skoro,sto bi se morao uopste zaraziti?

preselio na ahiret wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:34

Zoya wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:30 Gdje nam je doktor da nešto potvrdim

Da li je istina da ćemo svi oboljeti od korone, prije ili kasnije?

Ko to kaze,zar nije vakcina spas?

Kažu doktori.
I ja sam isto mislila, ali izgleda griješimo. Zbog toga i pitam našeg, forumskog, da nam da svoje mišljenje.

preselio na ahiret wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:37

skafilic wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:35

Kazu istrazivanja, ima onaj John Campbel ili tako nesto video u kojem spominje te analize i istrazivanja.
I upravo u tome je poenta, vakcina jeste spas. Svi ce se zaraziti pa ce vakcinisani puno bolje proci.

Aha a kako to da se do sad nismo zarazili,evo prosle dvije godine skoro,sto bi se morao uopste zaraziti?

Pa sto su svi bar jednom u zivotu imali epizodu gripe?

Ali_G wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:43

preselio na ahiret wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:37

Aha a kako to da se do sad nismo zarazili,evo prosle dvije godine skoro,sto bi se morao uopste zaraziti?

Pa sto su svi bar jednom u zivotu imali epizodu gripe?

Dobro ali ako se pridrzavas mjera kao sto stalno pricaju zar onda nebi trebalo da se ne zarazim?

Nemoguce je pridrzavati se mjera u tom obimu toliko dugo.

Ali_G wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:43

preselio na ahiret wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:37

Aha a kako to da se do sad nismo zarazili,evo prosle dvije godine skoro,sto bi se morao uopste zaraziti?

Pa sto su svi bar jednom u zivotu imali epizodu gripe?

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deny_s wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:22

skafiskafsnjak wrote: ↑12/09/2021 19:43
javiti se.moram, da mi daju papir...da saljem u firmu da necu raditi.

Toliko sam se mislio, da li.bih se vakcinisao...i taman odlucim, strefi me ovo sad 6mj ne moram

hehe,što bi neko volio da je covid .
Ja bih rekao da je gripa jer ona dolazi iznenada,jučer dobar,danas temperatura.
Da si u Bosni,preporučio bih ti tylol hot,čini čuda.
Vjerujem da će i sa paracetamolom to biti ok i da nemaš brige dok god temperatura spada kada popiješ njega.
Eventualni problemi nogu nastati ako se temperatura ne smanjuje i to traje više od 3,4 dana

jebiga volio bih da nije. U tom slucaju 2-3 dana lezati i dobar opet... a ovo govno me trpa kuci 14 dana.

preselio na ahiret wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:45

Ali_G wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:43

Pa sto su svi bar jednom u zivotu imali epizodu gripe?

Dobro ali ako se pridrzavas mjera kao sto stalno pricaju zar onda nebi trebalo da se ne zarazim?

To jedino da si u lukomiru i da ne dolaze doslje da te zaraze

Temperatura od subote do danas, išla je do 38, znaci vec 3.dan. Uradio jutros antigenski, kaže pozitivan. Sutra I pcr idem da uradim. Simptomi osim temp. su glavobolja i to je to. Krećem se ok, pješke išao maloprije da uradim antigenski, bez problema. Dišem ok.
Neki savjet ili nesto?

Droog wrote: ↑13/09/2021 14:02 Temperatura od subote do danas, išla je do 38, znaci vec 3.dan. Uradio jutros antigenski, kaže pozitivan. Sutra I pcr idem da uradim. Simptomi osim temp. su glavobolja i to je to. Krećem se ok, pješke išao maloprije da uradim antigenski, bez problema. Dišem ok.
Neki savjet ili nesto?

ista stvar u mene. Temp, a glavobolja od temperature.
i ja pcr uradio

doduse, mene malo u prsima boli kad ae zakasljem....ali rijetko kasljem bas.

skafiskafsnjak wrote: ↑13/09/2021 14:04

Droog wrote: ↑13/09/2021 14:02 Temperatura od subote do danas, išla je do 38, znaci vec 3.dan. Uradio jutros antigenski, kaže pozitivan. Sutra I pcr idem da uradim. Simptomi osim temp. su glavobolja i to je to. Krećem se ok, pješke išao maloprije da uradim antigenski, bez problema. Dišem ok.
Neki savjet ili nesto?

ista stvar u mene. Temp, a glavobolja od temperature.
i ja pcr uradio

doduse, mene malo u prsima boli kad ae zakasljem....ali rijetko kasljem bas.

Ja ne kašljem uopšte. Doduše, imam sekret ali nemam grlobolju. Da nije antigenski rekao da sam pozitivan, mislio bih da nije Corona.

Subota poslje podne pocne grlo zezati, bol, i malo oci peku, jucer u toku dana grlo bas boli, sinoc oko 11 popijem gutljaj vode i 5 minuta osjetim bol u grlu, bas stislo, temp 36.5 stalno.

Jutros ustanem, grlo bolje, ali jos uvijek osjetim oci peku, oko 11 osjetim temp, izmjerim 37, nakon 1 sata opet izbjerim 37.6, sad izmjerim ispod 37.

Grlo jos malo boli, ali nista strasno, malo vise se znojim, stalno u wc (mala nuzda) ali imam osjecaj da imam unutrasnju temperaturu konstatno i ledja bole.

Sad javit se doktoru, ili otic privatno uraditi test?

Nekad malo zakasljem, mozda 2-3 put u toku jednog sata, i nos na momente samo procuri malo, voda.

skafiskafsnjak wrote: ↑13/09/2021 14:04

Droog wrote: ↑13/09/2021 14:02 Temperatura od subote do danas, išla je do 38, znaci vec 3.dan. Uradio jutros antigenski, kaže pozitivan. Sutra I pcr idem da uradim. Simptomi osim temp. su glavobolja i to je to. Krećem se ok, pješke išao maloprije da uradim antigenski, bez problema. Dišem ok.
Neki savjet ili nesto?

ista stvar u mene. Temp, a glavobolja od temperature.
i ja pcr uradio

doduse, mene malo u prsima boli kad ae zakasljem....ali rijetko kasljem bas.

jesu doktori sta rekli ? kakva je temperatura danas ?

cassius wrote: ↑13/09/2021 17:10

skafiskafsnjak wrote: ↑13/09/2021 14:04

ista stvar u mene. Temp, a glavobolja od temperature.
i ja pcr uradio

doduse, mene malo u prsima boli kad ae zakasljem....ali rijetko kasljem bas.

jesu doktori sta rekli ? kakva je temperatura danas ?

ma nis...samo me na pcr poslali.
a nisam se nesto ni zalio....pa valjda zato.

ma temp je oko 37,5 ... nekad malo dole, nekad gore.

Zoya wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:40

preselio na ahiret wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:34

Ko to kaze,zar nije vakcina spas?

Kažu doktori.
I ja sam isto mislila, ali izgleda griješimo. Zbog toga i pitam našeg, forumskog, da nam da svoje mišljenje.

Šteta što ne možemo steći imunitet konstantnim izlaganjem virusu, evo, več dvije godine, več isključivo ako prebolimo ili cijepljenjem. Ima osoba necijepljenih, u porodicama, svi dobiju, a ista osoba ostane negativna. Da li je ta osoba razvila imunitet konstantnim izlaganjem istoom, ili je do geneze?

Tko je doktor na temi?

KraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑14/09/2021 16:31

Zoya wrote: ↑12/09/2021 22:40


Kažu doktori.
I ja sam isto mislila, ali izgleda griješimo. Zbog toga i pitam našeg, forumskog, da nam da svoje mišljenje.

Šteta što ne možemo steći imunitet konstantnim izlaganjem virusu, evo, več dvije godine, več isključivo ako prebolimo ili cijepljenjem. Ima osoba necijepljenih, u porodicama, svi dobiju, a ista osoba ostane negativna. Da li je ta osoba razvila imunitet konstantnim izlaganjem istoom, ili je do geneze?

Tko je doktor na temi?

Pa imas masu asimptomatskih slucajeva.. Oni su ti koji su stekli imunitet izlazuci se virusu, a da nisu bili bolesni.. Bilo je prosle godine neko istrazivanje koje je govorilo da odredjeni broj ljudi ima imunitet i zbog izlaganju nekim drugim korona virusima u proslosti..

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

Meni ev 3 dan danas... I zena pozitivna od danas meni temp ide do 37,8... Necu jos da pijem paracetamol
A Bgm njoj odmah 38,2 ...

Ima li iko stomacne tegobe jake grceve, proljev, povracanje....klasicne simptome stomacnog virusa a da je pozitivan

laik1981 wrote: ↑14/09/2021 16:47

KraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑14/09/2021 16:31

Šteta što ne možemo steći imunitet konstantnim izlaganjem virusu, evo, več dvije godine, več isključivo ako prebolimo ili cijepljenjem. Ima osoba necijepljenih, u porodicama, svi dobiju, a ista osoba ostane negativna. Da li je ta osoba razvila imunitet konstantnim izlaganjem istoom, ili je do geneze?

Tko je doktor na temi?

Pa imas masu asimptomatskih slucajeva.. Oni su ti koji su stekli imunitet izlazuci se virusu, a da nisu bili bolesni.. Bilo je prosle godine neko istrazivanje koje je govorilo da odredjeni broj ljudi ima imunitet i zbog izlaganju nekim drugim korona virusima u proslosti..

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

Mislim, gene4alno, T i B stanice mogu biti pre-existing za virusne bolesti corona porodice. T stanice su locirane u limfnom tkivu.Drugi razlog je genetika.

Prije godinu dana su ovo pisali:

Based on the latest information, the CDC estimates that approximately 40% of SARS-CoV-2 infections are asymptomatic.

Zamisli, koliko procenat su asimptomatičnebi pre-simptomatične osobe širile virus.

Cijepljenjem se upravo povećava broj asimptomatičnih, sa kraćim periodom transmisije, i necijepljeni bez simptoma sa dužim periodom transmisije virusa. Ako je tako, sad je povećan broj asimptomatičnih prijenosnika, a najugroženiji su necijepljeni.

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Question What proportion of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) spread is associated with transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) from persons with no symptoms?

Findings In this decision analytical model assessing multiple scenarios for the infectious period and the proportion of transmission from individuals who never have COVID-19 symptoms, transmission from asymptomatic individuals was estimated to account for more than half of all transmission.

Meaning The findings of this study suggest that the identification and isolation of persons with symptomatic COVID-19 alone will not control the ongoing spread of SARS-CoV-2.

Abstract

Importance Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the etiology of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), is readily transmitted person to person. Optimal control of COVID-19 depends on directing resources and health messaging to mitigation efforts that are most likely to prevent transmission, but the relative importance of such measures has been disputed.

Objective To assess the proportion of SARS-CoV-2 transmissions in the community that likely occur from persons without symptoms.


Main Outcomes and Measures Level of transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from presymptomatic, never symptomatic, and symptomatic individuals.

Results The baseline assumptions for the model were that peak infectiousness occurred at the median of symptom onset and that 30% of individuals with infection never develop symptoms and are 75% as infectious as those who do develop symptoms. Combined, these baseline assumptions imply that persons with infection who never develop symptoms may account for approximately 24% of all transmission. In this base case, 59% of all transmission came from asymptomatic transmission, comprising 35% from presymptomatic individuals and 24% from individuals who never develop symptoms. Under a broad range of values for each of these assumptions, at least 50% of new SARS-CoV-2 infections was estimated to have originated from exposure to individuals with infection but without symptoms.

Conclusions and Relevance In this decision analytical model of multiple scenarios of proportions of asymptomatic individuals with COVID-19 and infectious periods, transmission from asymptomatic individuals was estimated to account for more than half of all transmissions. In addition to identification and isolation of persons with symptomatic COVID-19, effective control of spread will require reducing the risk of transmission from people with infection who do not have symptoms. These findings suggest that measures such as wearing masks, hand hygiene, social distancing, and strategic testing of people who are not ill will be foundational to slowing the spread of COVID-19 until safe and effective vaccines are available and widely used.


Introduction

As severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the novel coronavirus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), began to spread globally, it became apparent that the virus, unlike the closely related SARS-CoV in the 2003 outbreak, could not be contained by symptom-based screening alone. Asymptomatic and clinically mild infections were uncommon during the 2003 SARS-CoV outbreak, and there were no reported instances of transmission from persons before the onset of symptoms.1 SARS-CoV-2 spread faster than SARS-CoV, and accumulating evidence showed that SARS-CoV-2, unlike SARS-CoV, is transmitted from persons without symptoms. However, measures to reduce transmission from individuals who do not have COVID-19 symptoms have become controversial and politicized and have likely had negative effects on the economy and many societal activities. Optimal control of COVID-19 depends on directing resources and health messaging to mitigation efforts that are most likely to prevent transmission. The relative importance of mitigation measures that prevent transmission from persons without symptoms has been disputed. Determining the proportion of SARS-CoV-2 transmission that occurs from persons without symptoms is foundational to prioritizing control practices and policies.

Transmission by persons who are infected but do not have any symptoms can arise from 2 different infection states: presymptomatic individuals (who are infectious before developing symptoms) and individuals who never experience symptoms (asymptomatic infections, which we will refer to as never symptomatic). Early modeling studies of COVID-19 case data found that the generation interval of SARS-CoV-2 was shorter than the serial interval, indicating that the average time between 1 person being infected and that person infecting someone else was shorter than the average time between 1 person developing symptoms and the person they infected developing symptoms.2-5 This finding meant that the epidemic was growing faster than would be expected if transmission were limited to the period of illness during which individuals were symptomatic. By the time a second generation of individuals was developing symptoms, a third generation was already being infected. Epidemiological data from early in the pandemic also suggested the possibility of presymptomatic transmission,6,7 and laboratory studies confirmed that levels of viral RNA in respiratory secretions were already high at the time of symptom onset.8-10

Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 transmission also occurs because of individuals with infection who are never symptomatic (or who experience very mild or almost unrecognizable symptoms). The proportion of individuals with infection who never have apparent symptoms is difficult to quantify because it requires intensive prospective clinical sampling and symptom screening from a representative sample of individuals with and without infection. Nonetheless, evidence from household contact studies indicates that asymptomatic or very mild symptomatic infections occur,11-14 and laboratory and epidemiological evidence suggests that individuals who never develop symptoms may be as likely as individuals with symptoms to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others.9,15,16


Results
Under baseline assumptions, approximately 59% of all transmission came from asymptomatic transmission: 35% from presymptomatic individuals and 24% from individuals who are never symptomatic (Figure 1). Because each component is uncertain, we assessed different timings of peak infectiousness relative to illness onset and different proportions of transmission from individuals who never have symptoms. Maintaining the 24% of transmission from individuals who never have symptoms, but shifting peak infectiousness 1 day earlier (to day 4) increased presymptomatic transmission to 43% and all asymptomatic transmission to 67% (Figure 1A). A later peak (ie, day 6) decreased presymptomatic to 27% and all asymptomatic transmission to 51% (Figure 1C).

Holding the day of peak infectiousness constant at day 5 and decreasing the proportion of transmission from individuals who are never symptomatic to 10% with a relative infectiousness of 75% (baseline assumption), the proportion of all transmission from those who are never symptomatic decreased to 8%, presymptomatic transmission increased to 42%, and combined asymptomatic transmission was 50% of all transmission (Figure 1D). In contrast, if the proportion of those who ever develop symptoms was 30% and their relative infectiousness increased to 100%, they contributed 30% of all transmission, presymptomatic transmission was 32%, and combined asymptomatic transmission was 62% of all transmission (Figure 1F).

Uncertainty remains regarding the magnitude of both presymptomatic and never symptomatic transmission. Therefore, we analyzed a wider range of each of these components, with peak infectiousness varying between 2 days before (more presymptomatic transmission) to 2 days after (less presymptomatic transmission) median symptom onset and with never symptomatic transmission ranging from 0% to 70% (Figure 2). Under this broader range of scenarios, most combined assumptions of peak infectiousness timing and transmission from individuals who never have symptoms indicated that at least 50% of new SARS-CoV-2 infections likely originated from individuals without symptoms at the time of transmission. If more than 30% of transmission was from individuals who never have symptoms, total asymptomatic transmission was higher than 50% with any value of peak infectiousness, up to 2 days after the median time of symptom onset. If peak infectiousness was at any point approximately 6 hours before median symptom onset time, more than 50% of transmission was from individuals without symptoms, regardless of the proportion from those who never have symptoms. Even a very conservative assumption of peak infectiousness 2 days post–median onset and 0% never symptomatic transmission still resulted in more than 25% of transmission from asymptomatic individuals.

Discussion
The findings presented here complement an earlier assessment21 and reinforce the importance of asymptomatic transmission: across a range of plausible scenarios, at least 50% of transmission was estimated to have occurred from persons without symptoms. This overall proportion of transmission from presymptomatic and never symptomatic individuals is key to identifying mitigation measures that may be able to control SARS-CoV-2. For example, if the reproduction number (R) in a given setting is 2.0, then at least a 50% reduction in transmission is needed to drive the reproductive number below 1.0. Given that in some settings R is likely much greater than 2 and more than half of transmissions may come from individuals who are asymptomatic at the time of transmission, effective control must mitigate transmission risk from people without symptoms.

mali_balon wrote: ↑14/09/2021 17:51 Ima li iko stomacne tegobe jake grceve, proljev, povracanje....klasicne simptome stomacnog virusa a da je pozitivan

Ja sam imao prošle godine u martu. Strašno kakve grčeve u stomaku. Nisam ni slutio na covid, nisam se ni testao niti pomislio na to, jer nisam siguran da su to simptomi covida.