Nisi mi odgovorio na pitanja, ni na argumentaciju, kojom se potvrđuje da su hadisi zapisivani u doba Allahovog Poslanika savs. A ja cu tebi odgovoriti, i to knjigom, u kojoj imas sve sto te zanima sa dokazima i izvorima.
Prvo, treba da znas da je sam Poslanik a.s. zabranio zapisivanje od njega bilo cega sto nije Kur'an.
Ibn Saeed Al-Khudry reported that the messenger of God had said,
"Do not write anything from me except Quran. Anyone who wrote anything other than the Quran shall erase it." [Ahmed, Vol. 1, Page 171, and Sahih Moslim, Zuhd, Book 42, Number 7147]
A sad o istorijatu zapisivanja hadisa:
The four guided Khalifas who ruled the Muslim Umma (nation) after the death of the prophet Muhammed, respected the command of the Prophet and prohibited the writing and collection of hadiths. They accepted that the Quran is fully detailed and that it is the only source of religion (6:114).
Abu Bakr at one point was not sure whether to keep what he knows of hadiths or not. He had collected 500 hadiths during very long companionship of the prophet Muhammed, but he could not sleep the night until he burned them. Omar Ibn Al-Khattab insisted on destroying the hadiths collected by his son Abdullah. Islamic history mentioned the story of Omar Ibn Al-Khattab restraining four of the Prophet's companions because of their insistence on telling hadiths, these were Ibn Masoud, Abu Al-Dardaa, Abu Masoud Al-Anssary and Abu Tharr Al-Ghaffary. Omar called Abu Hurayra a liar and threatened to send him back to Yemen where he came from if he does not stop telling these lies about the prophet Muhammed. He stopped until Omar died then started again.
Omar is also reported to have stated that he had desired to write down a collection of the Prophet's sayings, but refrained for fear of the Muslims choosing to abandon the teachings of the Quran in favour of the hadith.
"I wanted to write the Sun'an, and I remembered a people who were before you, they wrote other books to follow and abandoned the book of God. And I will never, I swear, replace God's book with anything" Jami' Al-Bayan 1/67
Ali Ibn Abu Talib, the fourth Khalifa in one of his speeches said, "I urge all those who have writings taken from the Messenger of God to go home and erase it. The people before you were annihilated because they followed the hadiths of their scholars and left the book of their Lord." (Sunan Al-Daramy)
Khalifa Omar Ibn Abdul Aziz, the beginning of the end
Abu Hurayra narrated more hadiths than anybody else including Abu Bakr, Omar, Ali, and Aysha who lived with the Prophet all their lives. In less than two years of being with the Prophet, Abu Hurayra narrated more hadiths than all these companions of the Prophet altogether. He narrated 5374 hadiths. Ibn Hanbal quoted 3848 of his hadiths in his book. The Guided Khalifas who ruled the Muslim Umma after the death of the prophet Muhammed respected the Prophet's wish in not writing anything but the Quran and denounced any attempt of writing the hadiths and sunna. Their example was followed for the first two centuries after the Prophet's death. By that time, the lies about the prophet Muhammed was widespread and the people deserted the Quran to look for hadiths, that is when the Khalifa Omar Ibn Abdel-Aziz issued an order to permit the writing of hadiths and sunna thinking that the genuine hadith would be recorded and that this would thus would put an end to the lies about the prophet Muhammed. In his ruling he disregarded the commandments of God in the Quran and the teachings of the prophet Muhammed and the examples of his predecessors and the objection of many of the scholars in his time. Since then Islam moved from the religion of God, the Quran, to the infamous hadiths and sunna that were originally prohibited by God and His Prophet.
The early writings of hadith
As for the notion that hadiths were written as early as the Prophet's time, this is historically correct but the Prophet himself and those who ruled after him condemned these writings and looked at those who wrote these hadiths with disgrace. The hadith books mentioned that the prophet Muhammed burned the collected hadiths, and was very angry at people making "another book with the book of Allah." Abu Baker and Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, were also reported to burn the hadiths collections.
This prohibition of hadiths was continued until Omar Ibn Abdel-Aziz permitted the writing of hadiths and sunna, then many books and (Kararees) appeared containing hadiths, e.g. Ibn Greeg, Malik Ibn Anas, Mohammed Ibn Is'haq. The most famous from among these were the book of Malik Ibn Anas, (Al-Muwattaa) which had about 500 hadiths.
At the end of the second century the books known as (Masaned) appeared, e.g. the Masnad of Ahmed Ibn Hanbal that has about 40,000 hadiths. In the first half of the third century the famous six books of hadiths appeared and these are the books used by many of the scholars these days. 1- Sahih Bukhari. 2- Sahih Moslem. 3- Sunan Abu Daoud. 4-Sunan Al-Termethy. 5-Sunan Al-Nesaay. 6- Sunan Ibn Mageh.
Eto ti kad se hadisi zapisuju. Da vise zavrsimo s tom pricom.
Na 169. strani se nalazi jacijski farz, ali posto se klanjaju isto hajde i da prihvatim.
Kaze se ovde kako jacijski farz ima 4 rekata, prva 2 se uce naglas, a druga 2 u sebi, a zatim nastavlja
a nigde ne spominje hadise koji dokazuju da jacija ima 4 rekata. niti sta se na kojem uci. Na sledecoj strani saznajemo koje je pojedine sure ucio ponekad na jaciji, sto nam ne znaci puno jer je bilo situacija kad nije ucio te sure, nego neke druge. Jedino sto se moze iz ovoga svega derivirati jeste da se na jacijskom farzu uci neka kur'anska sura. I to je sve. Cak nije precizirano na kom se rekatu uci, a na kojem ne.
Imal kakva bolja argumentacija od Sajove ili je to top class sto mozes da ponudis?
Za mene lično, to su samo historijske ili povijesne ličnosti i u tome kontekstu ih i posmatram.
