Obama i SAD (2008-2016)
- KemooSA
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#4726 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
Jos jedno sumorno predvidjanje i to ovaj put od jednog od najvecih "mother fuckera" naseg vremena Georga Sorosa:
NJUJORK – Bivši predsjednik američke centralna banke Paul Volcker i poznati svjetski investitor George Soros su danas ocenili da svjetska ekonomska kriza još nije dosegla dno i da se širi brzinom kojom se nije širila ni jedna u povijesti.
Na jednoj konferenciji na američkom SveučilištuColumbia, Volcker (koji sada obnaša dužnost ekonomskog savjetnika predsjednika Baracka Obame) je ocijenio da industrijska proizvodnja širom svijeta pada još brže nego u SAD-u, gdje je kriza počela.
„Ne sjećam se ni jednog doba, čak ni u vrijeme Velike ekonomske krize, u kojem je sve išlo tako brzo nizbrdo, ni toliko ujednačeno širom svijeta”, rekao je Volcker.
Soros, koji je sudjelovao na istoj konferenciji je, pak, ocijenio da se svjetski finansijski sistem „potpuno raspao”, ali da dno još nije dosegnuto i da za sada u izgledu nema rješenja krize. Soros je ocijenio da je kriza u stvari mnogo oštrija nego u vrijeme Velike depresije s početka tridesetih godina prošlog stoljeća, usporedivši je s efektom koji je raspad Sovjetskog Saveza imao za post-sovjetske države.
NJUJORK – Bivši predsjednik američke centralna banke Paul Volcker i poznati svjetski investitor George Soros su danas ocenili da svjetska ekonomska kriza još nije dosegla dno i da se širi brzinom kojom se nije širila ni jedna u povijesti.
Na jednoj konferenciji na američkom SveučilištuColumbia, Volcker (koji sada obnaša dužnost ekonomskog savjetnika predsjednika Baracka Obame) je ocijenio da industrijska proizvodnja širom svijeta pada još brže nego u SAD-u, gdje je kriza počela.
„Ne sjećam se ni jednog doba, čak ni u vrijeme Velike ekonomske krize, u kojem je sve išlo tako brzo nizbrdo, ni toliko ujednačeno širom svijeta”, rekao je Volcker.
Soros, koji je sudjelovao na istoj konferenciji je, pak, ocijenio da se svjetski finansijski sistem „potpuno raspao”, ali da dno još nije dosegnuto i da za sada u izgledu nema rješenja krize. Soros je ocijenio da je kriza u stvari mnogo oštrija nego u vrijeme Velike depresije s početka tridesetih godina prošlog stoljeća, usporedivši je s efektom koji je raspad Sovjetskog Saveza imao za post-sovjetske države.
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walkabout
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#4727 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
hocemol zvat (umal nerekoh prizivat) 911...
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'This is an emergency': woman calls 911 after McDonald's runs out of nuggets
March 5, 2009 - 9:41AM
US authorities say a Florida woman called 911 three times after McDonald's employees told her they were out of Chicken McNuggets.
According to a police report, 27-year-old Fort Pierce resident Latreasa L. Goodman told authorities she paid for a 10-piece last week but was later informed the restaurant had run out.
She says employees refused to give her a refund, saying all sales were final. A cashier told police she offered Goodman a larger portion of different food for the same price, but Goodman became irate.
Police say Goodman was cited on a misuse of 911 charge.
"This is an emergency. If I would have known they didn't have McNuggets, I wouldn't have given my money, and now she wants to give me a McDouble, but I don't want one," Latreasa Goodman told police. "This is an emergency."
A McDonald's spokeswoman said the company didn't immediately have a comment on the incident.
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'This is an emergency': woman calls 911 after McDonald's runs out of nuggets
March 5, 2009 - 9:41AM
US authorities say a Florida woman called 911 three times after McDonald's employees told her they were out of Chicken McNuggets.
According to a police report, 27-year-old Fort Pierce resident Latreasa L. Goodman told authorities she paid for a 10-piece last week but was later informed the restaurant had run out.
She says employees refused to give her a refund, saying all sales were final. A cashier told police she offered Goodman a larger portion of different food for the same price, but Goodman became irate.
Police say Goodman was cited on a misuse of 911 charge.
"This is an emergency. If I would have known they didn't have McNuggets, I wouldn't have given my money, and now she wants to give me a McDouble, but I don't want one," Latreasa Goodman told police. "This is an emergency."
A McDonald's spokeswoman said the company didn't immediately have a comment on the incident.
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zonbirile
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#4728 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
@huseino
ma ja i ti se slažemo donekle,samo ja imam drukčiji ton.Znaš nakon 191 stranice izgubila se nit,a ja sam još na fonu tvrdnji da je Obama samo trkači konj,ništa više,normalno u kontekstu izbora.Sada se tema razvila,a ja i dalje gledam iz ugla izbora i odnosa Obama predsjednik.Irak je odrađen,kao i svako drugi što bi ga odradio,iskoristili su tehnički mandat B.Mutavog,ovaj uzima poene,a ništa bitno se ne mjenja.Čudiš se što spominjem Afganistan.Pa i ja se čudim,nije o tome bilo priče na konvencijama stranke i izbornim feštama širom zemlje.Poredim,dvije zemlje u smislu-Irak nas košta,treba ovo,ono,onda tup 17000 novih u Afganistan,ali to valjda ne košta.Ne kontam,ja sam sa Balkana.A ekonomija na svjetskom nivou,jest piličarenje,šibicarenje.Ovaj balon ti je pokazao,kada su počeli sa pool-ovima i sranjima,niko nije ni znao o čemu se radi,ali svi su kupovali i pušili.U čemu je razlika između Mardofa,i gazda Jezdimira,Koprivice,Dafne,Albanskih lopova,Kolumbijskih spirala,Poncijevih šema.Obično valjanje šibica.E sad kad pročitaš istoriju i genezu gospode u frakovima,smokinzima,u penthause-ima i uredima po neboderima,dođe ti da plačeš.Imamo mi i lokalce,samo je to niži nivo,sistem je isti.Kod nas je Jata ostvario,čuj,američki san-hočeš da ti pišem o poluinteligentu,peraču šoferšajbi na benzinskoj,koji danas voza poršea.
ma ja i ti se slažemo donekle,samo ja imam drukčiji ton.Znaš nakon 191 stranice izgubila se nit,a ja sam još na fonu tvrdnji da je Obama samo trkači konj,ništa više,normalno u kontekstu izbora.Sada se tema razvila,a ja i dalje gledam iz ugla izbora i odnosa Obama predsjednik.Irak je odrađen,kao i svako drugi što bi ga odradio,iskoristili su tehnički mandat B.Mutavog,ovaj uzima poene,a ništa bitno se ne mjenja.Čudiš se što spominjem Afganistan.Pa i ja se čudim,nije o tome bilo priče na konvencijama stranke i izbornim feštama širom zemlje.Poredim,dvije zemlje u smislu-Irak nas košta,treba ovo,ono,onda tup 17000 novih u Afganistan,ali to valjda ne košta.Ne kontam,ja sam sa Balkana.A ekonomija na svjetskom nivou,jest piličarenje,šibicarenje.Ovaj balon ti je pokazao,kada su počeli sa pool-ovima i sranjima,niko nije ni znao o čemu se radi,ali svi su kupovali i pušili.U čemu je razlika između Mardofa,i gazda Jezdimira,Koprivice,Dafne,Albanskih lopova,Kolumbijskih spirala,Poncijevih šema.Obično valjanje šibica.E sad kad pročitaš istoriju i genezu gospode u frakovima,smokinzima,u penthause-ima i uredima po neboderima,dođe ti da plačeš.Imamo mi i lokalce,samo je to niži nivo,sistem je isti.Kod nas je Jata ostvario,čuj,američki san-hočeš da ti pišem o poluinteligentu,peraču šoferšajbi na benzinskoj,koji danas voza poršea.
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staza
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walkabout
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#4730 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
evo neshto samo za zagrizhene, zanimljiv pogled "odozgo"...
(Obamin, vec bivsi
) Tim Geithner, MMF, poredjenje svjetskih kriza, sve praceno odmjerenim komentarom novinara-pisca clanka (ukljucujuci i biber na kraju
)...
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/obamas-ec ... ml?page=-1
(Obamin, vec bivsi
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/obamas-ec ... ml?page=-1
- KemooSA
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#4731 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
Izgleda da je General Motors postao hodajuci mrtvac...kakav ce to samo "tsunami" da bude.
Uostalom ko bi normalan kupovao auto kad 24/7 samo pricaju o finansijskoj krizi i usput ubace poneku pricu o povratku MJ-a i Britney...
Uostalom ko bi normalan kupovao auto kad 24/7 samo pricaju o finansijskoj krizi i usput ubace poneku pricu o povratku MJ-a i Britney...
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Shoba
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#4732 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
volim kada se nas narod bavi drugima, a u sopstvenoj kuci gori vatra. Ne znam zasto smo svi odgojeni da budemo samo komentatori a ikako igraci, nije mi jasno..... 
- upravnik
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#4733 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
ovdje je shoba kuća već izgorjela...Shoba wrote:volim kada se nas narod bavi drugima, a u sopstvenoj kuci gori vatra. Ne znam zasto smo svi odgojeni da budemo samo komentatori a ikako igraci, nije mi jasno.....
vatrogasci nisu ni dolazili
the end
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febo_acm
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#4734 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
KemooSA wrote:Izgleda da je General Motors postao hodajuci mrtvac...kakav ce to samo "tsunami" da bude.![]()
Uostalom ko bi normalan kupovao auto kad 24/7 samo pricaju o finansijskoj krizi i usput ubace poneku pricu o povratku MJ-a i Britney...
"Okani se ćorava posla", teorije zavjera, nuklearnih ratova, svjetskih ratova... Nije to predmet smaranja ljudi koji imaju ispod 25 godina. Omladino trujete se glupostima.
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zonbirile
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#4735 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
nema problema dok je Obame,zato smo ga i izabrali
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walkabout
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#4736 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
iz shtampe koja nije bombaj...
nisam ni znao da ima 16 agencia...
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Nominee withdraws, blames Israel lobby
Anne Davies Washington Correspondent
March 12, 2009
THE Obama Administration has suffered another setback in its quest to fill important posts.
Charles Freeman, the President's choice for a major intelligence position, has withdrawn his name, blaming pro-Israel lobby groups, which he said had "plumbed the depths of dishonour and indecency" to quash his appointment.
The latest setback in filling important jobs in the Administration comes as it faces a barrage of criticism over the slow pace of appointments, particularly posts in Treasury.
It also follows several other withdrawals by prominent nominees, including two candidates for secretary of commerce - the New Mexico governor, Bill Richardson, and a Republican senator, Judd Gregg - and President Barack Obama's first choice for the important health portfolio, Tom Daschle.
These withdrawals involved investigations about political fund-raising, or the failure to pay tax. In Senator Judd's case it represents a failure of Mr Obama's attempt for bipartisanship in preparing his stimulus package.
Mr Freeman's withdrawal, however, has been spurred by concerns about the political backlash his appointment would engender. Some commentators accuse the Administration of caving in to McCarthyist pressures.
In a posting on the Foreign Policy website, Mr Freeman blamed pro-Israel groups for the controversy.
"I have concluded that the barrage of libellous distortions of my record would not cease upon my entry into office," he wrote. "The effort to smear me and to destroy my credibility would instead continue.
"The tactics of the Israel lobby plumb the depths of dishonour and indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotation, the wilful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods, and an utter disregard for the truth.
"The aim of this lobby is to control the policy process through the exercise of a veto over the appointment of people who dispute the wisdom of its views."
Since his name surfaced four weeks ago the temperature surrounding Mr Freeman's appointment as chairman of the National Intelligence Council - a body charged with gathering the views of 16 agencies into consensus reports - has been steadily rising in Washington.
Mr Freeman served in two of the most important US posts, ambassador to Saudi Arabia and deputy chief of mission in China. He is known for plain speaking, and his criticisms of the US's policy of steadfast support for Israel.
"Freeman is firmly in the realist school of foreign policy," Josh Marshall of the liberal blog TalkingPointsMemo wrote. "The basis of the whole controversy, however, is that he has been far more critical of Israeli policy than is generally allowed within acceptable debate in Washington."
Questions have also been raised in recent weeks about consultancies he had undertaken since retiring as ambassador for companies and organisations associated with the Saudi and Chinese governments.
Critics in Congress raised the fact that he had served for four years on the board of the China National Offshore Oil Corp, a state-owned company.
He also led the Middle East Policy Council, a Washington group that receives financial support from the Saudi Government.
Mr Freeman's defenders said his willingness to speak against the orthodoxy made him a strong candidate for the position.
Joshua Block, a spokesman for the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee, said his organisation had not taken a formal position on Mr Freeman's selection and had not lobbied Congress members to oppose it.
Senator Charles Schumer, a Democrat from New York and a strong pro-Israel voice, said Mr Freeman's statements about Israel were "way over the top and severely out of step with the Administration."
nisam ni znao da ima 16 agencia...
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Nominee withdraws, blames Israel lobby
Anne Davies Washington Correspondent
March 12, 2009
THE Obama Administration has suffered another setback in its quest to fill important posts.
Charles Freeman, the President's choice for a major intelligence position, has withdrawn his name, blaming pro-Israel lobby groups, which he said had "plumbed the depths of dishonour and indecency" to quash his appointment.
The latest setback in filling important jobs in the Administration comes as it faces a barrage of criticism over the slow pace of appointments, particularly posts in Treasury.
It also follows several other withdrawals by prominent nominees, including two candidates for secretary of commerce - the New Mexico governor, Bill Richardson, and a Republican senator, Judd Gregg - and President Barack Obama's first choice for the important health portfolio, Tom Daschle.
These withdrawals involved investigations about political fund-raising, or the failure to pay tax. In Senator Judd's case it represents a failure of Mr Obama's attempt for bipartisanship in preparing his stimulus package.
Mr Freeman's withdrawal, however, has been spurred by concerns about the political backlash his appointment would engender. Some commentators accuse the Administration of caving in to McCarthyist pressures.
In a posting on the Foreign Policy website, Mr Freeman blamed pro-Israel groups for the controversy.
"I have concluded that the barrage of libellous distortions of my record would not cease upon my entry into office," he wrote. "The effort to smear me and to destroy my credibility would instead continue.
"The tactics of the Israel lobby plumb the depths of dishonour and indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotation, the wilful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods, and an utter disregard for the truth.
"The aim of this lobby is to control the policy process through the exercise of a veto over the appointment of people who dispute the wisdom of its views."
Since his name surfaced four weeks ago the temperature surrounding Mr Freeman's appointment as chairman of the National Intelligence Council - a body charged with gathering the views of 16 agencies into consensus reports - has been steadily rising in Washington.
Mr Freeman served in two of the most important US posts, ambassador to Saudi Arabia and deputy chief of mission in China. He is known for plain speaking, and his criticisms of the US's policy of steadfast support for Israel.
"Freeman is firmly in the realist school of foreign policy," Josh Marshall of the liberal blog TalkingPointsMemo wrote. "The basis of the whole controversy, however, is that he has been far more critical of Israeli policy than is generally allowed within acceptable debate in Washington."
Questions have also been raised in recent weeks about consultancies he had undertaken since retiring as ambassador for companies and organisations associated with the Saudi and Chinese governments.
Critics in Congress raised the fact that he had served for four years on the board of the China National Offshore Oil Corp, a state-owned company.
He also led the Middle East Policy Council, a Washington group that receives financial support from the Saudi Government.
Mr Freeman's defenders said his willingness to speak against the orthodoxy made him a strong candidate for the position.
Joshua Block, a spokesman for the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee, said his organisation had not taken a formal position on Mr Freeman's selection and had not lobbied Congress members to oppose it.
Senator Charles Schumer, a Democrat from New York and a strong pro-Israel voice, said Mr Freeman's statements about Israel were "way over the top and severely out of step with the Administration."
- jeza u ledja
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#4737 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
Evo jedan za zombirileta i raju.
Iz The Atlantic
by Robert D. Kaplan
The Shrinking Superpower
While the Obama administration seeks to improve America’s position vis-à-vis Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel-Palestine, Europe, and Asia, the most critical foreign-policy front of all – the home front—is looking brittle. This development is new, as for almost seven decades – ever since Pearl Harbor—policymakers have taken for granted that the homefront would cooperate with military missions and expenditures. America could build ships, planes, and tanks, and assert itself as the pivotal outside power in many parts of the world, and the home front (despite sometimes outspoken political opposition, as during the Vietnam War) would financially support those efforts. This held true from the time of the end of the Great Depression right up until the onset of our current great recession. The emergencies of World War II and the early Cold War years, coupled with a constantly expanding economy, allowed the home front to write blank checks for our endeavors abroad. But the big question in foreign policy today is, Will this continue in the face of the greatest economic crisis since the 1930s?
Soon after the Iraq war turned nasty in 2006, the American people lost their stomach for involvement there. It was only because the surge paid fairly quick dividends, which got Iraq off the front pages, that public disquiet was reduced to low-level muttering. But that was before the economic crisis hit. Given the state of people’s retirement accounts and job prospects, where will the public be regarding Afghanistan a year from now? I’d guess that the Administration has no more than a year to show striking progress in Afghanistan before the public starts to growl like it did at the Bush Administration in the 2006 mid-term elections.
But Afghanistan is only the most obvious potential casualty of the recession. Also at stake are the expensive weapons programs and air and sea platforms that allow the United States to sustain its position as a global military hegemon. Regardless of what happens on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. dominates the air and the main sea lines of communication (SLOCs). Ultimately, it is this fact that makes this country the preeminent global power that it is, and gives our diplomacy the heft it requires to sit at the front of the table at critical gatherings around the world. Yet maintaining that position doesn’t just cost money, it costs lots and lots of money—billions, not millions.
The fact that the public has docilely accepted this arrangement for so long does not mean that it will continue to do so. Despite the many new billions that President Obama’s budget allocates for jump-starting the economy, he intends to substantially cut the Pentagon’s money-line. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has warned that the financial “spigot that opened on 9/11…is closing.” Gates might more accurately have said it is the financial spigot that opened following Pearl Harbor that’s closing. For the only interruption to the succession of high budgets the Pentagon has enjoyed since Pearl Harbor occurred during the 1990s, when America felt itself at peace, with no overbearing security threats. That decade saw the Navy lose almost half of its ships. The 1990s may provide only a taste of what is to come as the recession deepens and elongates, leading to tectonic changes in the public mood.
Conservatives are already protesting the short shrift President Obama seems to be giving the Pentagon, but they are crying into the wind. The President’s approval rating is exceedingly high. The lesson seems to be that the President and the Democrats can do what they want with Pentagon budgets, and, if the economy doesn’t pull out of its tailspin relatively soon, they will.
Nonetheless, I do not expect any sudden slashing of defense budgets. What I foresee is a more gradual siphoning of money away from vital programs over the next decade, even as China, India, and other countries enlarge their navies and other forces. This will not necessarily lead to a security dilemma for the U.S., but it will certainly lead to a multipolar world and the end of American dominance. The only development that could change this equation would be a new and sudden threat – and one other than mass-casualty terrorism. For while terrorism would lead to larger budgets for the intelligence establishment, the conventional air and sea platforms from which great powers are made would not be affected.
Defense policy will be increasingly geared toward protecting the homeland, even as globalization makes for a smaller, more intricately connected world. America, in the final analysis, will be better protected, even as its global reach wanes. That is what to expect if the recession is still with us a year from now.
Iz The Atlantic
by Robert D. Kaplan
The Shrinking Superpower
While the Obama administration seeks to improve America’s position vis-à-vis Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel-Palestine, Europe, and Asia, the most critical foreign-policy front of all – the home front—is looking brittle. This development is new, as for almost seven decades – ever since Pearl Harbor—policymakers have taken for granted that the homefront would cooperate with military missions and expenditures. America could build ships, planes, and tanks, and assert itself as the pivotal outside power in many parts of the world, and the home front (despite sometimes outspoken political opposition, as during the Vietnam War) would financially support those efforts. This held true from the time of the end of the Great Depression right up until the onset of our current great recession. The emergencies of World War II and the early Cold War years, coupled with a constantly expanding economy, allowed the home front to write blank checks for our endeavors abroad. But the big question in foreign policy today is, Will this continue in the face of the greatest economic crisis since the 1930s?
Soon after the Iraq war turned nasty in 2006, the American people lost their stomach for involvement there. It was only because the surge paid fairly quick dividends, which got Iraq off the front pages, that public disquiet was reduced to low-level muttering. But that was before the economic crisis hit. Given the state of people’s retirement accounts and job prospects, where will the public be regarding Afghanistan a year from now? I’d guess that the Administration has no more than a year to show striking progress in Afghanistan before the public starts to growl like it did at the Bush Administration in the 2006 mid-term elections.
But Afghanistan is only the most obvious potential casualty of the recession. Also at stake are the expensive weapons programs and air and sea platforms that allow the United States to sustain its position as a global military hegemon. Regardless of what happens on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. dominates the air and the main sea lines of communication (SLOCs). Ultimately, it is this fact that makes this country the preeminent global power that it is, and gives our diplomacy the heft it requires to sit at the front of the table at critical gatherings around the world. Yet maintaining that position doesn’t just cost money, it costs lots and lots of money—billions, not millions.
The fact that the public has docilely accepted this arrangement for so long does not mean that it will continue to do so. Despite the many new billions that President Obama’s budget allocates for jump-starting the economy, he intends to substantially cut the Pentagon’s money-line. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has warned that the financial “spigot that opened on 9/11…is closing.” Gates might more accurately have said it is the financial spigot that opened following Pearl Harbor that’s closing. For the only interruption to the succession of high budgets the Pentagon has enjoyed since Pearl Harbor occurred during the 1990s, when America felt itself at peace, with no overbearing security threats. That decade saw the Navy lose almost half of its ships. The 1990s may provide only a taste of what is to come as the recession deepens and elongates, leading to tectonic changes in the public mood.
Conservatives are already protesting the short shrift President Obama seems to be giving the Pentagon, but they are crying into the wind. The President’s approval rating is exceedingly high. The lesson seems to be that the President and the Democrats can do what they want with Pentagon budgets, and, if the economy doesn’t pull out of its tailspin relatively soon, they will.
Nonetheless, I do not expect any sudden slashing of defense budgets. What I foresee is a more gradual siphoning of money away from vital programs over the next decade, even as China, India, and other countries enlarge their navies and other forces. This will not necessarily lead to a security dilemma for the U.S., but it will certainly lead to a multipolar world and the end of American dominance. The only development that could change this equation would be a new and sudden threat – and one other than mass-casualty terrorism. For while terrorism would lead to larger budgets for the intelligence establishment, the conventional air and sea platforms from which great powers are made would not be affected.
Defense policy will be increasingly geared toward protecting the homeland, even as globalization makes for a smaller, more intricately connected world. America, in the final analysis, will be better protected, even as its global reach wanes. That is what to expect if the recession is still with us a year from now.
- KemooSA
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#4738 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
AMD wrote:KemooSA wrote:Izgleda da je General Motors postao hodajuci mrtvac...kakav ce to samo "tsunami" da bude.![]()
Uostalom ko bi normalan kupovao auto kad 24/7 samo pricaju o finansijskoj krizi i usput ubace poneku pricu o povratku MJ-a i Britney...
"Okani se ćorava posla", teorije zavjera, nuklearnih ratova, svjetskih ratova... Nije to predmet smaranja ljudi koji imaju ispod 25 godina. Omladino trujete se glupostima.
O cemu ti trabunjas !?
GM je pred bankrotom i to nije nagadjanje nego cinjenica, probaj za promjenu pregledati i procitati kakve vijesti pa se javiti sa da me prosvijetlis a dotad se okani "coravog posla"....svakakvih likova jebote
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zonbirile
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- Joined: 09/10/2008 12:06
#4739 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
za @jezu u leđa i raju,
nemoj nas smarati ,nego da li Miki Maus šalje na onih 17 000 još 17 000 što bi bilo 34 000 u Afganistanu.Gledam na CNN,lanč paketi,čini mi se u Indijani,ispravi me ako grešim.Pa Miki,žrtvovan,ništa ne učini do sada,a sve će mu kantati
nemoj nas smarati ,nego da li Miki Maus šalje na onih 17 000 još 17 000 što bi bilo 34 000 u Afganistanu.Gledam na CNN,lanč paketi,čini mi se u Indijani,ispravi me ako grešim.Pa Miki,žrtvovan,ništa ne učini do sada,a sve će mu kantati
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dallton
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#4740 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
evo obamina izjava koja je brze bolje u medijima proglasena
"historijskom" kao ponuda "ruke pomirenja" irancima
stvarno oksimoron izjava
u isto vrijeme slicnu izjavu (ali s razlicitim zavrsetkom) je dala i vlada iz tel aviva tj. simon perez
u novoj koaliciji izraela glavni partner vodja partije koji otvoreno zagovara etnicko ciscenje palestinaca kao krajnje rjesenje
istovremeno tel aviv nastavlja po oprobanom receptu
"historijskom" kao ponuda "ruke pomirenja" irancima
ne bih da komentarisem razloge izjave, to valjda svi znamo, nego da primjetim kontradikciju u samoj izjavi - obama kaze kao iranci poziciju u zajednici naroda (u drugom dijelu govora koji nisam naveo cak prica nesto o velicini iranske civilizacije, blablabal) a onda nastavlja "ali se to mjesto ne moze dobiti putem terorizma ili ORUZJEM"...jel to znaci da oni koji imaju oruzje (npr. amerike) ne zasluzuju mjesto u zajednici naroda ili sta"You, too, have a choice. The United States wants the Islamic Republic of Iran to take its rightful place in the community of nations," Obama said. "You have that right, but it comes with real responsibilities, and that place cannot be reached through terror or arms, but rather through peaceful actions that demonstrate the true greatness of the Iranian people and civilization."
u isto vrijeme slicnu izjavu (ali s razlicitim zavrsetkom) je dala i vlada iz tel aviva tj. simon perez
cuj izrael nekog optuzuje da ima tvrdolinijasku vladu, pa mislim stvarnoAt the same time, Israeli President Shimon Peres is sending his own rare greeting to the Iranian people. The messages were timed to the festival of Nowruz (no-ROOZ), which means "new day" and is a major holiday in Iran marking the arrival of spring.
In Israel, Peres' audio message praised the people of Iran and said they would be better off without their hard-line leadership.
Peres lauds Iran's ancient culture, calling it a noble nation and urging its "return to its rightful place among developed nations." The greeting was broadcast on the Voice of Israel's Farsi-language station, which is beamed to Iran.
istovremeno tel aviv nastavlja po oprobanom receptu
Globus
Palestinci proslavljaju "Jerusalem - glavni grad arapske kulture"
Palestinci su u subotu na Zapadnoj obali proslavili Jerusalem "glavni grad arapske kulture", nakon zabrane izraelskih vlasti da se obilježi sjećanje na taj dan u svetom gradu.
Manifestacija se održavala u obližnjem gradu Betlehemu, južno od Jerusalema, u kojem je predsjednik Palestinske samouprave Mahmud Abbas trebao da održi govor o arapskoj kulturi u subotu popodne.
Izraelska policija, koja je rasporedila vojna pojačanja u anektiranom istočnom Jerusalemu, nakon njegovog osvajanja 1967., upozorila je u petak da će spriječiti svako organiziranje kulturnih manifestacija u svetom gradu.
Policija je rastjerala mlade Palestince, koji su pokušavali da dođu do Brda Hrama staroga grada, trećeg svetog mjesta Islama nakon Meke i Medine, javlja AFP s lica mjesta.
Na drugoj strani, policajci su uhapsili tri službenika palestinskog univerziteta Al-Kuds na granici istočnoga Jerusalema i Zapadne obale, koji su dijelili festivalske majice, izvijestio je izraelski državni radio.
Izraelski ministar unutarnje sigurnosti Avi Dichter objavio je da će policija spriječiti svaku aktivnost u okviru festivala, smatrajući da se radi o "operaciji Palestinske samouprave koja bi mogla povrijediti izraelski suverenitet istočnog Jerusalema".
Ova mjera izazvala je oštre proteste predstavnika arapske manjine u Izraelu.
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dallton
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#4741 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
malo da se informisemo unaprijed o buducim potezima obame.... izvjestaj grupe koja je pravila analizu pozeljnih buducih poteza u odnosima SAD-muslimani u septembru 2008, dakle prije nego je sigurno bilo da ce obama biti predsjednik
koliko ja vidim, iz ovog plana dosada je u prva 3 mjeseca gotovo sve organizirano...prvo je obama govorio na onoj arapskoj stanici...zabrana ili odustajanje od mucenja kao vrste ispitivanja je u toku...pa se onda obratio iranu...dosada su svi potezi povuceni ovim redom..sta mislite o planu?Creating partnerships for peace with Muslim countries and communities is one of the greatest challenges—and opportunities—facing the United States today. Currently, conflict, misunderstanding, and distrust plague U.S. relations with Muslims in many countries, imperiling security for all. Maintaining the status quo raises the specter of prolonged confrontation, catastrophic attacks, and a cycle of retaliation.
Despite these tensions, the vast majority of Americans and Muslims around the world want peace, amicable relations, good governance, prosperity, and respect. Policies and actions—not a clash of civilizations—are at the root of our divisions.
This Report outlines a comprehensive strategy for the U.S. to enhance international security by improving relations with key Muslim countries and communities. The strategy reflects the consensus of 34 American leaders, including 11 Muslim Americans, in the fields of foreign and defense policy, politics, business, religion, education, public opinion, psychology, philanthropy, and conflict resolution. We come from different walks of life, faiths, political perspectives, and professional disciplines. Our shared goal is to develop and work to implement a wise, widely supportable strategy to make the U.S. and the world safer by responding to the primary causes of tension between the U.S. and Muslims around the world. We believe that a strategy that builds on shared and complementary interests with Muslims in many countries is feasible, desirable, and consistent with core American values.
The central message of our strategy is that the U.S. government, business, faith, education, and media leaders must work with Muslim counterparts to build a coalition that will turn the tide against extremism. Our recommendations are directed primarily to U.S. leaders and institutions, but we can succeed only if counterparts in Muslim majority countries and communities also take responsibility for addressing key challenges: reducing extremism, resolving political and sectarian conflicts, holding governments accountable, creating more vibrant economies, correcting misconceptions, and engaging in dialogue to build mutual respect and understanding.
The Need for a New Approach
During the past several years, it has become clear that military force may be necessary, but is not sufficient, to defeat violent extremists in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, or to prevent attacks elsewhere. Moreover, military action has significant costs to U.S. standing in the world, and to our ability to gain the cooperation of other countries in counterterrorism and counterinsurgency operations. Senior U.S. defense and military leaders have recognized the primary importance of diplomatic, political, economic, and cultural initiatives in combating extremism.
Recently, the U.S. government has taken important steps to expand the use of diplomacy, support improvements in governance, and promote economic development in Muslim countries threatened by extremism. In the face of continuing extremist violence directed at the U.S. and its allies, the next U.S. President and Congress must create and implement a more comprehensive strategy for reversing extremism in key Muslim regions, countries, and communities. U.S. business, educational, philanthropic, faith, and media organizations should help define and carry out many elements of that strategy.
The Drivers of Extremism
Only a klix minority of Muslims is involved in violence against the U.S. and its allies. The extremists’ ability to recruit, operate, and inflict harm depends on a more widespread set of active and passive supporters. In many Muslim majority countries and Muslim minority communities, that support is driven by deep-seated frustration with poor governance, constraints on political activity, and lack of economic opportunity.
The United States is not directly responsible for these conditions and frustrations, but many Muslims see the U.S. as complicit, believing that it has supported ineffective and corrupt governments in their countries as a way to meet U.S. geopolitical and economic interests. Their anger is compounded by their sense that the U.S. has favored Israel in its conflict with the Palestinians, and has exercised a “double standard” on democracy, calling for democratic reforms in the Muslim world while continuing to support repressive governments in allied Muslim countries. Since the invasion of Iraq, many Muslims have also come to believe that the U.S. seeks to dominate Muslim countries by force. Efforts by the U.S. government, private leaders and organizations to change these perceptions have had limited effect.
A Strategy for Reversing Extremism
To shrink the base of support for extremism, our strategy calls on U.S. governmental and private leaders, and their Muslim counterparts, to work together to advance four goals: resolving conflicts through diplomacy; improving governance in Muslim countries; promoting broad-based economic development in Muslim countries and regions; and building mutual respect and understanding.
Efforts on each of these goals will be helpful, but coordinated action on all four goals, tailored to particular countries and regions, offers the greatest potential for improvements in U.S. security and U.S.-Muslim relations. Following is a summary of our recommendations for advancing each of the four goals.
1. Elevate diplomacy as the primary tool for resolving key conflicts involving Muslim countries, engaging both allies and adversaries in dialogue
Engage with Iran to explore the potential for agreements that could increase regional security, while seeking Iran’s full compliance with its nuclear nonproliferation commitments
Work intensively for immediate de-escalation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and a viable path to a two-state solution, while ensuring the security of Israelis and Palestinians
Promote broad-based political reconciliation in Iraq, and clarify the long-term U.S. role
Renew international commitment and cooperation to halt extremists’ resurgence in Afghanistan and Pakistan
Provide top-level U.S. leadership to resolve regional conflicts and to improve coordination with international partners
2. Support efforts to improve governance and promote civic participation in Muslim countries, and advocate for principles rather than parties in their internal political contests
Build the capacity of government institutions to deliver services, and of citizens to participate in governance
Advocate consistently for nonviolence, pluralism and fairness in political contests
Use U.S. leverage with authoritarian governments to promote reforms in governance
Assess the value of engagement with political representatives of armed and activist movements case-by-case, based on their principles, behavior, and level of public support
Support political transitions and the consolidation of reforms in countries at critical “turning points”
3. Help catalyze job-creating growth in Muslim countries to benefit both the U.S. and Muslim countries’ economies
Support policy reforms to secure property rights, facilitate transactions and promote investments
Partner with governments, multilateral institutions and philanthropies to make education a more powerful engine of employment and entrepreneurship
Use public-private investment partnerships to reduce risk, promote exports and fund enterprises
Use trade agreements to reward economic reform and spur investment
Manage energy interdependence and diversify resources
4. Improve mutual respect and understanding between Americans and Muslims around the world
Use public diplomacy to reinforce changes in policies and actions
Dramatically expand cross-cultural education, people-to-people and interfaith exchange
Promote greater depth and accuracy in news coverage and programming
Invest in cultural diplomacy through arts and entertainment programs, to deepen mutual understanding and challenge stereotypes
Involve the Muslim-American community as a bridge
A Call for Action
Implementing this strategy will require a sustained, coordinated effort by a range of public and private institutions, including the President and Executive agencies; Members of Congress; business and investment leaders; philanthropic institutions and development agencies; and educators, faith leaders, the news media, and citizens.
The next U.S. President and Administration must provide immediate and sustained leadership to improve U.S.-Muslim relations. We recommend that the next President take these steps:
Speak to the critical importance of improving relations with the global Muslim community in his 2009 inaugural address
Take key actions immediately to demonstrate a commitment to improving relations, including:
- Immediately organizing a whole-of-government effort, with Presidential leadership, to define and implement a strategy for improving relations with key Muslim countries and communities
- Immediately re-affirming the U.S. commitment to prohibit all forms of torture
Within the first three months of the Administration, initiate a major and sustained diplomatic effort to resolve regional conflicts and promote security cooperation in the Middle East, giving top priority to engagement with Iran and permanent resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict Within the first six months of the Administration, co-convene a business-government summit on economic reform, growth, and job creation in the Middle East to accelerate current reform and investment initiatives
Work with leaders in Congress, educational, cultural and philanthropic institutions in the U.S., and counterparts in Muslim countries, to create and fund a global initiative for teaching, learning, and exchange among citizens in the U.S. and Muslim countries
It will also be important for a wide range of private actors to coordinate their activities more closely, while maintaining their separation from the government. To do so, we recommend that the new Administration and leading business, educational, philanthropic, faith, and media organizations co-convene forums on U.S.-Muslim relations, and create new platforms for action, making special efforts to involve Muslim-American leaders.
What Is at Stake
Immediate action is needed. Neither the U.S. nor Muslims in regions of conflict can afford a further deterioration in relations. Extremist groups and movements have gained ground in many Muslim countries. Their appeal will grow unless the U.S. acts more effectively to address the economic, political, and security concerns that extremists have exploited.
Implementing our recommendations will not eliminate the risk of terrorist attacks affecting the U.S. Yet given a broad, deep, and sustained commitment, our proposed strategy will reshape U.S. relations with Muslim leaders and peoples in ways that improve U.S. and international security, transform the spiral of fear and mistrust into a foundation of mutual confidence and respect, and help create a more peaceful world.
The Leadership Group on U.S -Muslim Engagement
September 2008
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zonbirile
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super je retorički,sve se mjenja da bi ostalo isto.Konkretno je poslano 17000novih vojnika u Afganistan,i niklo novo kamp naselje oko Sacramenta,a u Indijani lanč paketi.Dobro tek je tri mjeseca.
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dallton
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#4743 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
zonbirile wrote:super je retorički,sve se mjenja da bi ostalo isto.Konkretno je poslano 17000novih vojnika u Afganistan,i niklo novo kamp naselje oko Sacramenta,a u Indijani lanč paketi.Dobro tek je tri mjeseca.
tacno, al imaj u vidu da je obama naslijedio najgore sranje u americkoj historiji - ono sto je ona budala upropastila za 8 godina, trebat ce 20 da se popravi i to pod idealnim uslovima
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zonbirile
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#4744 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
dallton wrote:zonbirile wrote:super je retorički,sve se mjenja da bi ostalo isto.Konkretno je poslano 17000novih vojnika u Afganistan,i niklo novo kamp naselje oko Sacramenta,a u Indijani lanč paketi.Dobro tek je tri mjeseca.
tacno, al imaj u vidu da je obama naslijedio najgore sranje u americkoj historiji - ono sto je ona budala upropastila za 8 godina, trebat ce 20 da se popravi i to pod idealnim uslovima
niti je onaj upropastio,niti će ovaj popraviti.Pa ljudi moji znate li koliko je 12 triliona dolara.Pa ne prepušta se to luzerima,makar bili i predsjednici.
- KemooSA
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#4745 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
Obruka nam se Huso ili bolje reci "pojeba ga idiot"
ovo moze slobodno uci u konkurenciju cak i neprikosnovenom moronu Bushu..
President Obama: “First, I’d like to say thank you to President Obama!”...rece i osta ziv
Ako neko moze naci video koji je izbrisan u rekordnom vremenu nek ga postavi da se jos malo smijem..
President Obama: “First, I’d like to say thank you to President Obama!”...rece i osta ziv
Ako neko moze naci video koji je izbrisan u rekordnom vremenu nek ga postavi da se jos malo smijem..
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dallton
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#4746 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
ovo je prvi put da je predsjednik amerika rekao da ce amerika gurati rjesenje za palestinu bilo da izrael hoce ili nece...eto imate gore moj post o planovima americke politike prema srednjem istoku prije nego je obama postao predsjednik, sad jos ostaje da se vidi ima li snage da se to sprovede i misle li oni to ozbiljno (a ja vjerujem) ...Obama: Status quo je neodrživ
Američki predsjednik Barack Obama izjavio je da nova izraelska vlada neće učiniti "jednostavnijim" mir s Palestincima...
25.03.2009. 11:13
Američki predsjednik Barack Obama izjavio je u utorak da nova izraelska vlada neće učiniti "jednostavnijim" mir s Palestincima, ali je potvrdio da će se on osobno angažirati kako bi se okončao sukob star 60 godina.
"Nije jednostavnije, ali smatram da je sve to neophodno", kazao je Obama kada mu je na konferenciji za štampu u Bijeloj kući postavljeno pitanje o riziku koji za mir predstavlja vjerovatni dolazak na vlast u Izraelu lidera desne stranke Likud Benjamina Netanyahua, "ekstremista" koji je protiv stvaranja palestinske države.
Obama je kazao da izraelska vlada još nije kondstituirana i da se ne zna na šta će ličiti palestinska uprava u budućnosti, prenio je AFP.
"Ono što znamo jeste da je status quo neodrživ", dodao je on. "Suština je u tome da napredujemo prema rješenju o dvije države u kojim će Izraelci i Palestinci moći da žive u miru jedni pored drugih, u svojim državama, u miru i sigurnosti".
"Uz imenovanje specijalnog izaslanika za Bliski istok Georgea Mitchella, istaknuli smo da ćemo ovom problemu pristupiti ozbiljno već od prvog dana i da ćemo pokušati obje strane usmjeriti u pravcu priznavanja te realnosti", kazao je Obama i upozorio Netanyahua da će se SAD založiti za palestinsku državu, bilo da izraelska vlada to hoće ili neće.
hajd huso poguraj to svega ti da se rijesimo najveceg belaja na svijetu
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zonbirile
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#4747 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
ma svašta je on rekao,počevši od falš zakletve,do zahvaljivanju predsjedniku Obami,zadnja mudrost je da će biti bolje,ali da prvo mora biti gore,o rupi na saksiji nije ništa elaborirao.
- _veleposlanik
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#4748 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
Rek'o Obama.....
Koliko samo plitko.......... drago mi je sto je vama drago...
Koliko samo plitko.......... drago mi je sto je vama drago...
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gosnmerkel
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#4749 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
Iako je od zvaničnog dolaska Obame na vlast proteklo
relativno malo vremena,već se naziru i oslikavaju
pravci kritike njegove kratke vladavine.Glavna kritika
je došla iz Njemačke kada mu je Merkel poručila da
je krpanje sistema koji je propao jedna uzaludna
avantura.Zadržavajući impresiju oko izbora za
najmoćnijeg čovjeka na svijetu i pojma da Amerika
kroji sliku svijeta ,Obama je okupivši sve raspoložive
i relevantne ekonomske savjetnike ,zadao svima zadatak.
Kao prvo dignuti na noge posrnuli sistem koji je već
prevaziđen,a onda vremenom kroz ozdravljenje tog
sistema mijenjati sve vrijednosti ka novom sistemu.
Danas se događa jedna bitna stvar između Europe i
Amerike,a to je da Europa traži trenutnu izmjenu
sistema financiranja,a Amerika sa Obamom pokušava
taj prelazak na neki novi sistem odužiti,razvući što
više kako bi sama Amerika sutra postala i ostala
vodeća sila u ekonomiji i globalno.Čuvanje vlastite guzice
,tj čuvanje Američke guzice u sedlu na kojem se jaše
cijeli svijet,je prvi i jedini cilj Obamine politike zasnovane
na idućih 8 godina vladavine.Amerika u idućih 8 godina mora
ostati kao apsolutni vladar svijeta,kao apsolutni prodavač
novih tehnologija i kao apsolutni vođa u granama ekonomije,
Nove Ekonomije,ili bez obzira kako se to zvalo.U ostvarenju tog cilja
danas se ubrizgava novih 1000 milijardi beskamatnih kredita,
(kamata je 0 %) svim sposobnim poduzetnicima koji mogu
da tim beskamatnim kreditima otkupe banke,osugaravajuća društva,
i sve slične tvrtke i osposobe te iste tvrtke da posluju pozitivno.
Kristalno jasno je da je najnoviji stimulans od 1000 milijardi
dolara poziv da se spasi najveći broj tvrki koje su i prouzročile
sva ta nenormalna ulaganja i pad sistema na svjetskoj razini.
I malom djetetu je danas jasno da najnoviji paket od 1000 milijardi
treba da spasi prije svega svaku Američku guzicu koja je u
raskoraku sa investicijama ,a tek onda kada se spasi svaka
Američka guzica koja sjedi na desitinama kredita,tek onda
se može pričati o nekom novom svjetskom ekonomskom sistemu.
Novi Svjetski Ekonomski Poredak tek tada može da starta sa
beskrajnim sjednicama,neusaglašenim odlukama ,ali sa
činjenicom da će cijeli svijet i dalje kupovati pamet od Amerike.
I to je suština cijele zamišljene vladavine novog crnog
predsjednika Amerike.
relativno malo vremena,već se naziru i oslikavaju
pravci kritike njegove kratke vladavine.Glavna kritika
je došla iz Njemačke kada mu je Merkel poručila da
je krpanje sistema koji je propao jedna uzaludna
avantura.Zadržavajući impresiju oko izbora za
najmoćnijeg čovjeka na svijetu i pojma da Amerika
kroji sliku svijeta ,Obama je okupivši sve raspoložive
i relevantne ekonomske savjetnike ,zadao svima zadatak.
Kao prvo dignuti na noge posrnuli sistem koji je već
prevaziđen,a onda vremenom kroz ozdravljenje tog
sistema mijenjati sve vrijednosti ka novom sistemu.
Danas se događa jedna bitna stvar između Europe i
Amerike,a to je da Europa traži trenutnu izmjenu
sistema financiranja,a Amerika sa Obamom pokušava
taj prelazak na neki novi sistem odužiti,razvući što
više kako bi sama Amerika sutra postala i ostala
vodeća sila u ekonomiji i globalno.Čuvanje vlastite guzice
,tj čuvanje Američke guzice u sedlu na kojem se jaše
cijeli svijet,je prvi i jedini cilj Obamine politike zasnovane
na idućih 8 godina vladavine.Amerika u idućih 8 godina mora
ostati kao apsolutni vladar svijeta,kao apsolutni prodavač
novih tehnologija i kao apsolutni vođa u granama ekonomije,
Nove Ekonomije,ili bez obzira kako se to zvalo.U ostvarenju tog cilja
danas se ubrizgava novih 1000 milijardi beskamatnih kredita,
(kamata je 0 %) svim sposobnim poduzetnicima koji mogu
da tim beskamatnim kreditima otkupe banke,osugaravajuća društva,
i sve slične tvrtke i osposobe te iste tvrtke da posluju pozitivno.
Kristalno jasno je da je najnoviji stimulans od 1000 milijardi
dolara poziv da se spasi najveći broj tvrki koje su i prouzročile
sva ta nenormalna ulaganja i pad sistema na svjetskoj razini.
I malom djetetu je danas jasno da najnoviji paket od 1000 milijardi
treba da spasi prije svega svaku Američku guzicu koja je u
raskoraku sa investicijama ,a tek onda kada se spasi svaka
Američka guzica koja sjedi na desitinama kredita,tek onda
se može pričati o nekom novom svjetskom ekonomskom sistemu.
Novi Svjetski Ekonomski Poredak tek tada može da starta sa
beskrajnim sjednicama,neusaglašenim odlukama ,ali sa
činjenicom da će cijeli svijet i dalje kupovati pamet od Amerike.
I to je suština cijele zamišljene vladavine novog crnog
predsjednika Amerike.
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zonbirile
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#4750 Re: President Barack Hussein Obama!!!
do 25.12 2012g biče sve jasnije,i ne prejudiciraj sa 8g,ako misliš na dupli mandat.
