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hladan.preminger wrote: ↑07/08/2021 10:19

daddy-kool wrote: ↑06/08/2021 22:37

Indiju i jeste poharalo, UK je dobar pokazatelj djelovanja vakcina.

Šta je Indiju poharalo sunce ti ljubim? Zemlju od 1.5 milijardi stanovnika, koji žive u nehigijenskim uvjetima i pitaj boga kakvim zdravstvenim sistemom.

Koji vam je qrac više sa širenjem laži i sijanjem straha.

Zemlja je proporcionalno imala manji broj inficiranih od Hrvatske.
Koje se ovdje laži i nebuloze plasiraju to je za ne povjerovati.

GandalfSivi wrote: ↑07/08/2021 13:29

hladan.preminger wrote: ↑07/08/2021 10:19

Šta je Indiju poharalo sunce ti ljubim? Zemlju od 1.5 milijardi stanovnika, koji žive u nehigijenskim uvjetima i pitaj boga kakvim zdravstvenim sistemom.

Koji vam je qrac više sa širenjem laži i sijanjem straha.

Zemlja je proporcionalno imala manji broj inficiranih od Hrvatske.
Koje se ovdje laži i nebuloze plasiraju to je za ne povjerovati.

Dobro razmisli prije nego sto nesto napises.

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/ind ... 021-07-20/

Ali sto ja govorim je da je ovo u sustini dobra vijest. Neka je istona i negdje izmedju, i neka je puno puno vise ljudi umrlo od zvanicnih brojeva (a u Indiji jeste), opet delta mora biti dosta manje smrtonosna od originalnog soja...

udri me jace wrote: ↑07/08/2021 13:34 https://www.6yka.com/novosti/roditelji- ... u-iz-skole

Naslovnica wrote: ↑07/08/2021 13:38

udri me jace wrote: ↑07/08/2021 13:34 https://www.6yka.com/novosti/roditelji- ... u-iz-skole

Djeca se moraju vakcinisati čim se odvoje od sise, jedino tako možemo pobijediti pandemiju!

#budiodgovoran
#ostanidoma
#sisajsisu

Mitchell Tsai
Virus researcher at Harvard Medical School in 1980sTue
US CDC and White House playing "vaccination rate" game, rather than keeping people safe from Covid.

Politics and "changing the goal post". Useless targets.

Opinion: The focus should have been on KEEPING CASES DOWN, not vaccination numbers.

For each person who catches Covid, maybe 10–20% get Long Covid.
This includes people with asymptomatic and mild cases.

Still trying to get better numbers on Long Covid. Kids seem to get less, but experts argue about whether 1–2% or 8-12% of kids catch Long Covid.

101,608 cases/day (Jul 30) = 10,000–20,000 more Long Covid people.
569,100 cases/week (Jul 27 - Aug 2) = 57,000–114,000 more Long Covid people.

Ugh.

Covid is not measles, mumps, or polio. Covid is a coronavirus.
Opinion: Don’t use measles or polio strategies against a coronavirus. Bad idea.

Vaccines only provide about 50% (30–65%) protection against “silent spreaders” (asymptomatic) of Alpha (UK data, 4/7/21). Unknown against “silent spreaders” of Delta.

Measles and polio vaccines don’t have the problem of vaxxed “silent spreaders”.

Ugh.

The “magic vaccine” strategy of the CDC and the White House, where vaccinated people are superman/superwoman and can party as much as they want…was pretty dumb.

Bait & switch. Hopefully by telling people lies, you can get a really high 90–95% vaccination rate, and then we’re home free. Yeah. Right.

After we get a whole bunch of Covid, the US CDC and White House do the “switch” part of “bait & switch”, and tell people they have to follow safety guidelines again.

Ugh.

They didn’t want to tell people that we need safety guidelines, REGARDLESS of whether you are vaccinated or not.

Follow more safety precautions when
(1) There is more Covid in your area
(2) Your local hospitals are swamped (so you get lower quality medical care).
…not based on your vaccination status.

Why didn’t the White House and CDC say this?
They wanted to bribe people with the “magic vaccine” strategy.

Ugh.

My opinion: I like "Strategic vaccination".

(1) Vaccinate age 65+, at-risk, health & front-line workers

(2) Require vaccine (or Covid recovery) within 3-4 months for indoor dining, bars, clubs, weddings, sporting events, etc...

(3) For everyone else, vaccines are optional

The ideas are:
(A) Vaccinate as many super-spreaders as possible (the 5-10% who infect 80%-90%.
(B) Don't waste time with the 70% who don't infect anyone else.
(C) Covid is not measles, mumps, or polio. Covid is a coronavirus. Vaccines probably won’t provide “herd immunity”.
(D) Instead, vaccines are a way to lower deaths and Long Covid cases in the SHORT TERM.
(i) The fewer cases we have, the lower chance of a “monster mutant” arriving.
(ii) Having lots of cases is a BAD idea, BAD idea, BAD idea. That’s how we got Delta.

With “common cold” coronaviruses, we have some challenges.

(1) In observational studies, people could catch the exact same variant 3 times in a year, as often as twice one month apart.

(2) In challenge studies, when trying to infect people one year after a first infection, they were able to reinfect almost everyone (don’t know whether this means 90% or 95% or 99%).

(3) 2nd infections are not milder. Instead, mild/worse seemed to be genetic and run in families. Some people get mild infections every time. Other people get stronger infections every time.

(4) Sera (blood from recovered people with antibodies) from one year becomes less effective each year against newer “common cold” coronavirus variants.

Many of my positions/opinons since Jan 2020 seem very different from other people, but that’s because I’m basing my expectations on “common cold” coronaviruses.

…not measles, polio, or flu.

(A) How does “herd immunity” apply to a coronavirus?

(B) What types of vaccination and behavior strategies will we need?

(C) What are the possibilities for cures and treatments? For Covid, “Long Covid”, vaccine side effects, and “Long Vax”?

(D) How does society need to be redesigned to handle non-medical challenges people face?

Die Berliner Charité hat diese Woche begonnen, ihre Beschäftigten ein drittes Mal gegen das Coronavirus zu impfen. Die Auffrischung werde seit Mittwoch angeboten, teilte die Charité mit. Angesprochen seien Mitarbeitende, die vor mindestens sechs Monaten ihre zweite Impfung erhalten hätten und mindestens 60 Jahre alt seien.

TDK-90 wrote: ↑07/08/2021 20:51 Berlinska Klinika Charite pocela sa trecom dozom vakcinacije osoblja

Die Berliner Charité hat diese Woche begonnen, ihre Beschäftigten ein drittes Mal gegen das Coronavirus zu impfen. Die Auffrischung werde seit Mittwoch angeboten, teilte die Charité mit. Angesprochen seien Mitarbeitende, die vor mindestens sechs Monaten ihre zweite Impfung erhalten hätten und mindestens 60 Jahre alt seien.

TDK-90 wrote: ↑07/08/2021 20:51 Berlinska Klinika Charite pocela sa trecom dozom vakcinacije osoblja

Die Berliner Charité hat diese Woche begonnen, ihre Beschäftigten ein drittes Mal gegen das Coronavirus zu impfen. Die Auffrischung werde seit Mittwoch angeboten, teilte die Charité mit. Angesprochen seien Mitarbeitende, die vor mindestens sechs Monaten ihre zweite Impfung erhalten hätten und mindestens 60 Jahre alt seien.

Variants could be named after star constellations when Greek alphabet runs out, says WHO Covid chief
UN health agency fears variants of concern could outnumber the 24 letters of the Greek alphabet, Maria Van Kerkhove tells the Telegraph

daddy-kool wrote: ↑07/08/2021 20:05

Mitchell Tsai
Virus researcher at Harvard Medical School in 1980sTue
US CDC and White House playing "vaccination rate" game, rather than keeping people safe from Covid.

Politics and "changing the goal post". Useless targets.

Opinion: The focus should have been on KEEPING CASES DOWN, not vaccination numbers.

For each person who catches Covid, maybe 10–20% get Long Covid.
This includes people with asymptomatic and mild cases.

Still trying to get better numbers on Long Covid. Kids seem to get less, but experts argue about whether 1–2% or 8-12% of kids catch Long Covid.

101,608 cases/day (Jul 30) = 10,000–20,000 more Long Covid people.
569,100 cases/week (Jul 27 - Aug 2) = 57,000–114,000 more Long Covid people.

Ugh.

Covid is not measles, mumps, or polio. Covid is a coronavirus.
Opinion: Don’t use measles or polio strategies against a coronavirus. Bad idea.

Vaccines only provide about 50% (30–65%) protection against “silent spreaders” (asymptomatic) of Alpha (UK data, 4/7/21). Unknown against “silent spreaders” of Delta.

Measles and polio vaccines don’t have the problem of vaxxed “silent spreaders”.

Ugh.

The “magic vaccine” strategy of the CDC and the White House, where vaccinated people are superman/superwoman and can party as much as they want…was pretty dumb.

Bait & switch. Hopefully by telling people lies, you can get a really high 90–95% vaccination rate, and then we’re home free. Yeah. Right.

After we get a whole bunch of Covid, the US CDC and White House do the “switch” part of “bait & switch”, and tell people they have to follow safety guidelines again.

Ugh.

They didn’t want to tell people that we need safety guidelines, REGARDLESS of whether you are vaccinated or not.

Follow more safety precautions when
(1) There is more Covid in your area
(2) Your local hospitals are swamped (so you get lower quality medical care).
…not based on your vaccination status.

Why didn’t the White House and CDC say this?
They wanted to bribe people with the “magic vaccine” strategy.

Ugh.

My opinion: I like "Strategic vaccination".

(1) Vaccinate age 65+, at-risk, health & front-line workers

(2) Require vaccine (or Covid recovery) within 3-4 months for indoor dining, bars, clubs, weddings, sporting events, etc...

(3) For everyone else, vaccines are optional

The ideas are:
(A) Vaccinate as many super-spreaders as possible (the 5-10% who infect 80%-90%.
(B) Don't waste time with the 70% who don't infect anyone else.
(C) Covid is not measles, mumps, or polio. Covid is a coronavirus. Vaccines probably won’t provide “herd immunity”.
(D) Instead, vaccines are a way to lower deaths and Long Covid cases in the SHORT TERM.
(i) The fewer cases we have, the lower chance of a “monster mutant” arriving.
(ii) Having lots of cases is a BAD idea, BAD idea, BAD idea. That’s how we got Delta.

With “common cold” coronaviruses, we have some challenges.

(1) In observational studies, people could catch the exact same variant 3 times in a year, as often as twice one month apart.

(2) In challenge studies, when trying to infect people one year after a first infection, they were able to reinfect almost everyone (don’t know whether this means 90% or 95% or 99%).

(3) 2nd infections are not milder. Instead, mild/worse seemed to be genetic and run in families. Some people get mild infections every time. Other people get stronger infections every time.

(4) Sera (blood from recovered people with antibodies) from one year becomes less effective each year against newer “common cold” coronavirus variants.

Many of my positions/opinons since Jan 2020 seem very different from other people, but that’s because I’m basing my expectations on “common cold” coronaviruses.

…not measles, polio, or flu.

(A) How does “herd immunity” apply to a coronavirus?

(B) What types of vaccination and behavior strategies will we need?

(C) What are the possibilities for cures and treatments? For Covid, “Long Covid”, vaccine side effects, and “Long Vax”?

(D) How does society need to be redesigned to handle non-medical challenges people face?

homer2go wrote: ↑07/08/2021 22:28

daddy-kool wrote: ↑07/08/2021 20:05

Inetersantno kako se krug polako zatvara prema gripi i prehladi

daddy-kool wrote: ↑07/08/2021 22:33

homer2go wrote: ↑07/08/2021 22:28

Inetersantno kako se krug polako zatvara prema gripi i prehladi

Ne znam koliko si pročitao i shvatio, ali ovaj gore se zalaže za mjere uz vakcinisanje kako bi bilo što manje slučajeva.

homer2go wrote: ↑07/08/2021 23:02 Logičko pitanje, ako je delta tako zarazna kako je zaustaviti. Maskama, policijskim satom, totalni lok daun i slično.

homer2go wrote: ↑07/08/2021 23:02 Ova pandemija će prestati kad većina ljudi preboli Coronu par puta računajući i vakcinacije.

With “common cold” coronaviruses, we have some challenges.

(1) In observational studies, people could catch the exact same variant 3 times in a year, as often as twice one month apart.

(2) In challenge studies, when trying to infect people one year after a first infection, they were able to reinfect almost everyone (don’t know whether this means 90% or 95% or 99%).

(3) 2nd infections are not milder. Instead, mild/worse seemed to be genetic and run in families. Some people get mild infections every time. Other people get stronger infections every time.

(4) Sera (blood from recovered people with antibodies) from one year becomes less effective each year against newer “common cold” coronavirus variants.

daddy-kool wrote: ↑07/08/2021 23:20

homer2go wrote: ↑07/08/2021 23:02 Logičko pitanje, ako je delta tako zarazna kako je zaustaviti. Maskama, policijskim satom, totalni lok daun i slično.

Teško da ne kažem nemoguće, mislim da će nove vakcine koje targetuju ovaj soj biti efikasnije.

homer2go wrote: ↑07/08/2021 23:02 Ova pandemija će prestati kad većina ljudi preboli Coronu par puta računajući i vakcinacije.

Možda, a možda se nastavi produkcija novih sojeva pa bude:

With “common cold” coronaviruses, we have some challenges.

(1) In observational studies, people could catch the exact same variant 3 times in a year, as often as twice one month apart.

(2) In challenge studies, when trying to infect people one year after a first infection, they were able to reinfect almost everyone (don’t know whether this means 90% or 95% or 99%).

(3) 2nd infections are not milder. Instead, mild/worse seemed to be genetic and run in families. Some people get mild infections every time. Other people get stronger infections every time.

(4) Sera (blood from recovered people with antibodies) from one year becomes less effective each year against newer “common cold” coronavirus variants.

I naravno, problem je long covid koji izgleda obuhvata 10-20% svih inficiranih.