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extraordinary
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#4401 Re: English Premier League
Ovo je teoretski nemoguće, jer je u periodu kad je ovaj statistički podatak izbačen Everton izvodio loptu s centra jer su primili gol.
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#4402 Re: English Premier League
Teoretski je ipak mogućeextraordinary wrote:Ovo je teoretski nemoguće, jer je u periodu kad je ovaj statistički podatak izbačen Everton izvodio loptu s centra jer su primili gol.
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#4403 Re: English Premier League
mozemo reci da je arsenal izgubio bitku za titulu jer united je nedostizan i igracki ali i bodovno
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#4404 Re: English Premier League
Volio bih da je tako ali ipak je malo prerano za takvu izjavu.Ima jos dosta da se igra.unitedlover wrote:mozemo reci da je arsenal izgubio bitku za titulu jer united je nedostizan i igracki ali i bodovno
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#4405 Re: English Premier League
hjooooj...dosadni ste gore vi sto se borite za titule nekakve...kome je to bitno
West Ham uzeo tri boda na strani...Robbie zabio...nema dalje
bit ce opet "great escape"
cheers!!!!
West Ham uzeo tri boda na strani...Robbie zabio...nema dalje
bit ce opet "great escape"
cheers!!!!
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extraordinary
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#4406 Re: English Premier League
Al opet nije 100% posjeda 
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#4407 Re: English Premier League
Uhhh kako dobar uvod na chelseafc.com(pre-match briefing), ovo je ona prva faza da se neki ovdje napokon osvjeste, jednak onome kad bi tog nekog voz opalio pa se on podig'o nakon togaSometimes you only notice that the landscape has changed when the storm has passed. The events of Monday, with Liverpool battling and failing to hold on to their idolised striker, carry greater symbolism than the loss of goals and shirt sales on Merseyside.
At 10.47 pm Fernando Torres became arguably the first top player in the modern era to be sold unwillingly by the Anfield outfit. With him went some of the club's long-held pride. Now Liverpool must cope with what so many of their opponents faced in the 1970s and 1980s: their biggest stars perceiving that there is a bigger club out there that they are dying to play for.
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#4408 Re: English Premier League
Da je ostao Rafa sa svojim sistemom rotacija to se nikad ne bi desilobelafonte wrote:Uhhh kako dobar uvod na chelseafc.com(pre-match briefing), ovo je ona prva faza da se neki ovdje napokon osvjeste, jednak onome kad bi tog nekog voz opalio pa se on podigo nakon togaSometimes you only notice that the landscape has changed when the storm has passed. The events of Monday, with Liverpool battling and failing to hold on to their idolised striker, carry greater symbolism than the loss of goals and shirt sales on Merseyside.
At 10.47 pm Fernando Torres became arguably the first top player in the modern era to be sold unwillingly by the Anfield outfit. With him went some of the club's long-held pride. Now Liverpool must cope with what so many of their opponents faced in the 1970s and 1980s: their biggest stars perceiving that there is a bigger club out there that they are dying to play for.
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#4409 Re: English Premier League
kao u maniru najbolje ratne propagande...hebo Đogu...najbolje se zavaravati...belafonte wrote:Uhhh kako dobar uvod na chelseafc.com(pre-match briefing), ovo je ona prva faza da se neki ovdje napokon osvjeste, jednak onome kad bi tog nekog voz opalio pa se on podig'o nakon togaSometimes you only notice that the landscape has changed when the storm has passed. The events of Monday, with Liverpool battling and failing to hold on to their idolised striker, carry greater symbolism than the loss of goals and shirt sales on Merseyside.
At 10.47 pm Fernando Torres became arguably the first top player in the modern era to be sold unwillingly by the Anfield outfit. With him went some of the club's long-held pride. Now Liverpool must cope with what so many of their opponents faced in the 1970s and 1980s: their biggest stars perceiving that there is a bigger club out there that they are dying to play for.
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#4410 Re: English Premier League
Evo nešto iz pera najboljeg fudbalskog novinara na planeti...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... index.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... index.html
Sid Lowe>INSIDE SOCCER
Torres' exit leaves a bitter taste
By the time Fernando Torres actually signed his contract with Chelsea on Monday, there were less than 15 minutes of the transfer window remaining. The clock was ticking, and when he put pen to paper, there was relief more than joy. His situation had reached a point of no return, he was in a corner, and yet the risk of having to return felt real. At times during deadline day, Torres had doubted the deal would go through. But a tense and difficult day -- a tense and difficult few months -- finally ended well for Torres. He got what he wanted.
Well, sort of. This was not the way that the Spaniard had pictured it, nor the way he planned it. He didn't want to leave this way. Under different circumstances, he would have preferred not to leave at all. But the circumstances were what they were. They were not good. Liverpool was not what he thought Liverpool should be and he was not prepared to wait for the club to be once more. That, in a nutshell, is why he wanted to depart Anfield. In the end, the desire simply to leave -- and leave as soon as possible -- overshadowed all else.
Monday was a day of helicopters, tears and arguments, with obstacles to overcome. With each hurdle cleared, the finishing line drew nearer. The first and most significant, the price. Then there was the wait while Liverpool sought a replacement. Few were happier that Andy Carroll was joining Liverpool than the man whose No. 9 shirt he would take. Then there were negotiations over Sunday's clash -- the Reds didn't want Torres playing for Chelsea against them. Legally, that was impossible, but Liverpool sought an informal agreement. That was the one concession it did not get.
If Torres had any doubt as to the way Liverpool fans would receive him on Sunday, confirmation came with the images breathlessly beamed live by Sky Sports News and reproduced in newspapers everywhere. There they were burning his shirt, flames flickering around that No. 9.
The burning of a shirt is perhaps the ultimate in mob cliché, a powerful image gleefully seized upon by hungry cameras. You almost imagine the man behind the camera handing over a bottle of petrol, a box of matches and the shirt. And the chance to be on the telly. A smile and a How about it, lads? It is also an image that is more powerful, more symbolic than its real significance -- it only takes a couple of people, after all, yet it speaks for thousands.
While the image was manipulated, the anger and the hurt were genuine enough. And when Torres ill-advisedly used the phrase "big club" upon his arrival at Stamford Bridge, Liverpool supporters could hardly have been more annoyed, their pride pricked. Not least because they had elevated him to the status of a hero. It is always the ones you love who hurt you the most. Despite being disabused of the idea daily, despite players kissing the badge and declaring undying love only to move on, football fans want to believe that players are as loyal as they are. With few exceptions, that's impossible. It is also hard to take.
And yet with that phrase, Torres had actually uttered words of truth. His truth, for sure, but a truth. This move was not about money or betrayal. In fact, Torres himself felt betrayed. Wrongly, perhaps, but the sense of letdown was real. The frustration and anger had eaten at him for ages. Paradise was not what it first appeared. He has the move he wanted but he feels that he has lost the propaganda battle. He has certainly come out of this as the bad guy.
For Torres, this move was about ambition and desperation. It was about Chelsea being, in his words, a "big club" -- and a big club right now. It was about Liverpool not being one. Not anymore. And maybe not in the foreseeable future. It was about Torres' fear that his career could slip away from him. And indeed, if Liverpool does emerge stronger now, bolstered by the arrivals of Luis Suárez and Carroll, it might be Torres' departure that made that possible.
Torres knows that his connection with the Chelsea fans will not be what it was with Liverpool. Anfield had a greater impact on him than he could ever have imagined and vice versa; he was handed the kind of welcome he could only dream of.
As his brother admitted this week, in that sense, Chelsea is different. He did not say "not as good" but he might as well have done. Torres knows that. He is not lying when he says he watched videos about Liverpool's history or when he notes a connection between the club and his boyhood team, Atlético Madrid. When he dedicated his autobiography to "the best fans in the world," it was not entirely an act of cynicism -- even if it looks like it now.
But from Torres' point of view, the bottom line is very simple: Liverpool is not the club that he joined. And he is not the player. He is no longer a potential star of 23 years; he is a World Cup winner soon to turn 27. That is in part down to Liverpool, but he thinks he deserves better; Liverpool fans think they do too.
When Torres signed, he was a hugely talented striker but one about whom there were significant doubts. Liverpool had just reached a second Champions League final in three years. And with Torres in the side, it would finish fourth and reach the Champions League semifinal. The following season Liverpool finished second in the league -- closer to the title than it had been in almost 20 years. Then it started to go horribly wrong.
In December 2009, Torres was already warning that the club needed significant investment.
"This year should have been a turning point for us," he told the English magazine FourFourTwo. "Manchester United sold Carlos Tevez and Cristiano Ronaldo, while Chelsea didn't sign anyone. We finished second last season; this season was a chance for us to do something great. But we have reached December and we're out of the Champions League, out of the Carling Cup and out of the league. We have virtually no chance of winning the title now."
"It's frustrating. It's now the owners' turn. They have to sign players so that this does not happen again. If we want to compete with United and Chelsea, we need a much, much more complete squad, we need more genuinely first-class players and we can't let our best players leave."
But they did leave. That warning went unheeded. The financial reality did not allow for investment. Liverpool had slipped out of contention and into debt. Spending on the squad reduced rapidly. The Reds no longer had a Champions League place and the pessimism, even resignation, took hold. Xabi Alonso had gone. Javier Mascherano had, too. Manager Rafa Benítez had gone. Some relationships had soured; in many eyes within the squad, Jamie Carragher went from inspirational defender to problem player. Captain Steven Gerrard was frustrated and injured. Even Torres had suffered an injury -- an injury whose handling had also caused a degree of friction. There was massive uncertainty, battles between manager and board, fans up in arms. The club would ultimately slip into a court battle over ownership.
By last summer, the situation was the opposite of what it had been when Torres signed. He had proved himself one of the best strikers in the world, the kind of player that Chelsea thought was worth £50 million ($80 million). The kind of player that should not have been playing in the Europa League. In his mind, his own culpability for that was not an issue. He had won a European Championship, scoring the winner in the final, and a World Cup (although that was tempered slightly by his limited role in South Africa). Liverpool hadn't won anything. The second-best side in Europe he'd joined was no more.
Bluntly, the Reds weren't very good. Even more bluntly, they weren't good enough for Torres. When he joined Liverpool, he looked up at the Anfield club. Now, he looked down at it and wondered what had happened. Yes, he had embraced the club, its history, its fans, its culture, but he wanted to win. Desperately. He was 26 (he will be 27 in March) and he had won nothing as a club player. Time was running away from him. He could not see how he would win anything with Liverpool.
Already in the summer, there had been two bids for Torres. One from Chelsea and one from Manchester City. The striker was told that he could not leave. Liverpool was in a sales process and could not lose its key assets. There were also bids for Pepe Reina and Steven Gerrard. They, too, were told that they could not depart. Torres was told that if things did not improve, he would be allowed to go; that in return for waiting a future departure would be facilitated, if necessary. But that assurance came from chief executive Christian Purslow -- who no longer has that role with the club. There was no written agreement.
When the sale of the club went through at the High Court in the autumn, there was hope. There was a renewed sense of collectiveness about the club, but some of the players did not necessarily share that. There was also frustration, sparked by the utter failure of the previous owners and still simmering. And those new hopes threatened to go unfulfilled. Under Roy Hodgson, a manager whose decisions Torres and other players could not understand, things were getting even worse on the pitch. Off the pitch, Liverpool's new owners were moving slowly. Sensibly, you might say.
But for a player who wanted more, already frustrated and irritable, already watching time slip away, it was not enough. Torres could see no reason to stay and no one was trying to persuade him to do so. Hodgson's sacking was not enough either. Where, Torres asked himself, was the investment? His perspective became strikingly short-term. There was no patience. What, he asked, am I going to be doing for the rest of this season? Fighting off relegation? That's not what I signed up for.
Chelsea's bid arrived late in the winter transfer window. The fact that Torres asked for Liverpool to negotiate and did so late, thus making securing an alternative harder still, is one of the reasons why supporters have been so angry with him. But the timing was not really down to Torres -- and while the transfer request ultimately was, even that is not as clear-cut as it appears.
The reason it all happened so late was simple: Chelsea feared that Manchester City would become involved and prompt an auction. It waited until City had signed Edin Dzeko, satisfying the club's striking needs, before making the bid. When Chelsea did, Liverpool told Torres. It would be naive to assume that Torres had no idea that there was a bid coming, no inkling of what was being cooked up. But he could not control it. Liverpool, for its part, could have rejected it and carried on regardless. Instead, it told the striker about the bid. To which he said: "OK, well, let's negotiate then."
Instead, Liverpool went public -- and it was Liverpool, not Torres or Chelsea, which went public -- to say that it had turned down the offer. In doing so, Liverpool forced Torres' hand. And rather than frightening Chelsea away for good, the Reds also forced up the price.
Torres was not sure he would get another chance to move to a club as competitive as Chelsea. He had not initially anticipated the bid this winter. Now he was being presented with an opportunity. If he turned it down, he feared being trapped. Would that train pass through the station again? If he waited until the summer and there still wasn't any optimism at Liverpool, if he had endured a mediocre season, would anyone come in for him then? Would he be stuck? Between a Champions League campaign or a relegation battle, the choice was obvious -- if shortsighted. If Alonso and Mascherano had gone, why shouldn't he?
Torres had hoped for a negotiated departure. He had no interest in forcing an exit that brought flames to his shirt. Alonso remains popular. Going to Chelsea made that impossible for Torres, but he hoped to be tolerated and understood.
Liverpool's owners, on the other hand, saw no reason why they should allow him to leave as a victim. A sale might not be a bad idea -- but on their terms. They were sensitive to the reaction of fans. They needed it to be clear that it was the players' fault, that they had had little choice but to sell, even if they wanted to. They would have preferred to keep him, for sure, but this was not a bad option. By revealing that there was a chance to leave and then taking it away, they flushed him out. They forced him to make the next, potentially damaging move.
That, certainly, was Torres' perception. He felt promises had been broken about investment and that there was little reason for optimism. There was just inertia. He felt that Liverpool should have persuaded him to stay, enthused him with its plans. But it never did. Luis Suárez's arrival was viewed from the outside as exactly that, as a gesture -- a symbol of the club's ambition. But Torres viewed it merely as confirmation that the club was already counting on the money from his sale. That, in fact, given that he no longer appeared committed to the club, Liverpool didn't mind the idea of having him moving on.
Make no mistake, Torres wanted that sale, too, and there was only one way to make it happen. He handed in a transfer request. The cards were on the table.
Ultimately, Torres got what he wanted: a move to Chelsea. But so did Liverpool's owners: They sold an unhappy player, raised £50 million ($80 million) in return, and had themselves a bad guy. They acted quickly and effectively to replace him, reinforcing their status in the eyes of supporters. For just £8 million ($13 million), they looked bold and ambitious where before it had been precisely the apparent lack of ambition and decisiveness -- or, perhaps more accurately, economic capability -- that hastened their demise. There were no U.S. flags burning this time as there had been under George Gillet and Tom Hicks -- the real villains in Liverpool's recent history. Instead, there was a Torres shirt.
Fernando Torres, Liverpool's No. 9. Now Chelsea's. It doesn't really have the same ring to it. He had become such an idol; now he is a fallen one, loathed where once he was loved. In the end, everyone was happy. But deep down, no one was.
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#4411 Re: English Premier League
Dobar članak.
Na stranu stari vlasnici Liverpoola, oni su ruku na srce pravi krivci za cijelu ovu predstavu ali Torres je svjestan da će Liverpool pod novim vlasnicima trebati najmanje 2 godine da se vrati u sam vrh gdje puca na titule i europske kupove.
Njemu će tad biti 29-30, što znači da će najbolje igračke godine provesti ne aktivno igrajući za titule nego čekajući da se ponovno izgradi što su dva kauboja poharali.
Doduše nije mi jasno zašto Chelsea jer ta će ekipa trebati potrošiti više od Liverpoola da zamjeni ostarjelu ekipu a vremena za trošenje je sve manje. Nemaju udarene temelje u mladim igračima (nisam vidio nijednog da valja i igra osim McEachrana) i općenito ih čekaju dvije-tri tranzicijske godine.
Na stranu stari vlasnici Liverpoola, oni su ruku na srce pravi krivci za cijelu ovu predstavu ali Torres je svjestan da će Liverpool pod novim vlasnicima trebati najmanje 2 godine da se vrati u sam vrh gdje puca na titule i europske kupove.
Njemu će tad biti 29-30, što znači da će najbolje igračke godine provesti ne aktivno igrajući za titule nego čekajući da se ponovno izgradi što su dva kauboja poharali.
Doduše nije mi jasno zašto Chelsea jer ta će ekipa trebati potrošiti više od Liverpoola da zamjeni ostarjelu ekipu a vremena za trošenje je sve manje. Nemaju udarene temelje u mladim igračima (nisam vidio nijednog da valja i igra osim McEachrana) i općenito ih čekaju dvije-tri tranzicijske godine.
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#4412 Re: English Premier League
meni je veca briga Liverpool jer je Chelsea ko betonvaučer wrote:Dobar članak.
Na stranu stari vlasnici Liverpoola, oni su ruku na srce pravi krivci za cijelu ovu predstavu ali Torres je svjestan da će Liverpool pod novim vlasnicima trebati najmanje 2 godine da se vrati u sam vrh gdje puca na titule i europske kupove.
Njemu će tad biti 29-30, što znači da će najbolje igračke godine provesti ne aktivno igrajući za titule nego čekajući da se ponovno izgradi što su dva kauboja poharali.
Doduše nije mi jasno zašto Chelsea jer ta će ekipa trebati potrošiti više od Liverpoola da zamjeni ostarjelu ekipu a vremena za trošenje je sve manje. Nemaju udarene temelje u mladim igračima (nisam vidio nijednog da valja i igra osim McEachrana) i općenito ih čekaju dvije-tri tranzicijske godine.
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#4413 Re: English Premier League
Sjooooo članka, kao manja knjiga...
Ništa nije rečeno, što već ne znamo, ali konstatacija da Liverpool nije više veliki klub je smiješna...to isto kao kad bi rekli da je Real mali klub, jer nije osvojio Ligu prvaka hipten godina...smiješno...činjenica je da nema engleske titule i da su Liverpool srozali debili koji prodaju brijaće aparate, ali mislim ipak da se Torres trebao strpiti do ljeta...otišao bi dignute glave uz pristanak navijača i opet bi se uzela velika lova...mada, razumijem njegovu frustriranost i ima pravo što je otišao...a to koliko je Chelsea beton dokazuje i najavljena čistka i 80 miliona funti gubitka...mislim da će im opet sada krenuti kola nizbrdo, nakon nedjeljne utakmice sa Liverpoolom, kao prošli put...
mada bih opet više volio da oni uzmu titulu, nego debilni SCUM-ovci...
Ništa nije rečeno, što već ne znamo, ali konstatacija da Liverpool nije više veliki klub je smiješna...to isto kao kad bi rekli da je Real mali klub, jer nije osvojio Ligu prvaka hipten godina...smiješno...činjenica je da nema engleske titule i da su Liverpool srozali debili koji prodaju brijaće aparate, ali mislim ipak da se Torres trebao strpiti do ljeta...otišao bi dignute glave uz pristanak navijača i opet bi se uzela velika lova...mada, razumijem njegovu frustriranost i ima pravo što je otišao...a to koliko je Chelsea beton dokazuje i najavljena čistka i 80 miliona funti gubitka...mislim da će im opet sada krenuti kola nizbrdo, nakon nedjeljne utakmice sa Liverpoolom, kao prošli put...
mada bih opet više volio da oni uzmu titulu, nego debilni SCUM-ovci...
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#4414 Re: English Premier League
Mislim da si pokazao u jednoj rečenici koliko razumiješ nova FIFIna pravila o financijskom fair playu.ratata wrote:meni je veca briga Liverpool jer je Chelsea ko beton
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#4415 Re: English Premier League
ok, finansijski fair play, pa sto onda tvoj Liverpool nije dao Torresa za 10 . miliona nego za 100vaučer wrote:Mislim da si pokazao u jednoj rečenici koliko razumiješ nova FIFIna pravila o financijskom fair playu.ratata wrote:meni je veca briga Liverpool jer je Chelsea ko beton
by the way, kad si vec kod "fer pleja" , minimalna odsteta za Messija je 200 miliona
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#4416 Re: English Premier League
Nema to veze s cijenom igrača čovječe. Ta pravila znače da se troši samo novac koji je klub zaradio (ne koji je zaradio Abramovič, Mensour, španjolski kralj itd..). To znači da Chelsea ne bi imao ni funte da ponudi za Torresa a ne 50 milijuna jer posluju redovito u minusu. Ova pravila se uvode od ljeta pa koz naredne tri godine do potpune primjene.
Ako imaš ta pravila na umu Chelsea kao klub i nije u nekoj bajnoj situaciji (pod uslovom naravno da UEFA zaista primjeni pravila kao na papiru, dakle bez rupa za 'jednakije od drugih'). Imaju staru momčad , znači treba im velik upliv sredstava za prvih 11 kroz naredne 2 godine i nemaju nikakvih mladih igrača iz vlastitih redova koji dolaze, dakle trebaju i to kupiti.
Npr Arsenal je već sutra spreman za uvođenje ovih pravila.
United je jako likvidan ali bacaju puno novca na dugove Glazera, ali uvijek su ulagali u mladost i neće imati većih problema.
Liverpool ima dobru akademiju koju vode Segura i Borell iz Barcelone i novi vlasnici ulažu samo u mlade igrače.
City i Chelsea će najviše trpiti da ostvare tranziciju a od ta dva tima Chelsea više od Citya jer ima starijih prvih 11.
Ako imaš ta pravila na umu Chelsea kao klub i nije u nekoj bajnoj situaciji (pod uslovom naravno da UEFA zaista primjeni pravila kao na papiru, dakle bez rupa za 'jednakije od drugih'). Imaju staru momčad , znači treba im velik upliv sredstava za prvih 11 kroz naredne 2 godine i nemaju nikakvih mladih igrača iz vlastitih redova koji dolaze, dakle trebaju i to kupiti.
Npr Arsenal je već sutra spreman za uvođenje ovih pravila.
United je jako likvidan ali bacaju puno novca na dugove Glazera, ali uvijek su ulagali u mladost i neće imati većih problema.
Liverpool ima dobru akademiju koju vode Segura i Borell iz Barcelone i novi vlasnici ulažu samo u mlade igrače.
City i Chelsea će najviše trpiti da ostvare tranziciju a od ta dva tima Chelsea više od Citya jer ima starijih prvih 11.
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#4417 Re: English Premier League
Samo se nadam da će se to dosljedno primjenjivati... da ne bude bilo da Menso i Roman finansiraju klubove preko nekakvih sponzorstava koja nemaju veze sa tržišnim cijenama.vaučer wrote:Nema to veze s cijenom igrača čovječe. Ta pravila znače da se troši samo novac koji je klub zaradio (ne koji je zaradio Abramovič, Mensour, španjolski kralj itd..). To znači da Chelsea ne bi imao ni funte da ponudi za Torresa a ne 50 milijuna jer posluju redovito u minusu. Ova pravila se uvode od ljeta pa koz naredne tri godine do potpune primjene.
Ako imaš ta pravila na umu Chelsea kao klub i nije u nekoj bajnoj situaciji (pod uslovom naravno da UEFA zaista primjeni pravila kao na papiru, dakle bez rupa za 'jednakije od drugih'). Imaju staru momčad , znači treba im velik upliv sredstava za prvih 11 kroz naredne 2 godine i nemaju nikakvih mladih igrača iz vlastitih redova koji dolaze, dakle trebaju i to kupiti.
Npr Arsenal je već sutra spreman za uvođenje ovih pravila.
United je jako likvidan ali bacaju puno novca na dugove Glazera, ali uvijek su ulagali u mladost i neće imati većih problema.
Liverpool ima dobru akademiju koju vode Segura i Borell iz Barcelone i novi vlasnici ulažu samo u mlade igrače.
City i Chelsea će najviše trpiti da ostvare tranziciju a od ta dva tima Chelsea više od Citya jer ima starijih prvih 11.
I kakav kralj?
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#4418 Re: English Premier League
A za koga ce vrijediti ta nova pravila samo u Engleskoj ili okviru cijele evrope, ako je samo u Engleskoj neka ga nista ne uvode sta sad zabraniti Chelseau i Cityu da trose a ovamo Real i Barcelona svaki prelazni rok krhaju minimalno 50 miliona a kad ih ponese i mnogo vise.
- vaučer
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#4419 Re: English Premier League
Cijela Europa.
Pravila su super i puno će koristiti nogometu samo da ih budu primjenjivali kako i piše.
*Kralj kao Realov sponzor, šala mala..
Pravila su super i puno će koristiti nogometu samo da ih budu primjenjivali kako i piše.
*Kralj kao Realov sponzor, šala mala..
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Mustang1
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#4420 Re: English Premier League
Pa to ce uciniti fudbal 1000 puta zanimljivijim...Nece bit evo ti 100 miliona i dodji kod nas..nego razmjena igraca ce bit glavni faktor kao i u NBA i svaki tim ce moci dobrim poslovanjem napadat titulu
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#4421 Re: English Premier League
Bundesliga već funkcionira pod takvim pravilima i vidljivo je kako su prvenstva zanimljivija i kako je bitno građenje ekipe i mladi igrači kao i treneri. Ovako kako je sad, s ovakvim besmislenim trošenjem će uskoro biti 5-10 ekipa u Europi koje pokupe sav talent, poderu sve manje klubove i onda se razigravaju u kolima na ispadanje Lige prvaka. Tužno je da neki od manjih klubova imaju puno veći povijest, više trofeja od danas bogatih i moćnih.
Sigurno će biti i dalje velikih transfera jer veliki klubovi ako nisu u dugovima zarađuju ogromna sredstva, ali neće biti:
'Opa, idem kupiti Nottingham forrest i igrati se Managera s tatinim parama od nafte!'.
Sigurno će biti i dalje velikih transfera jer veliki klubovi ako nisu u dugovima zarađuju ogromna sredstva, ali neće biti:
'Opa, idem kupiti Nottingham forrest i igrati se Managera s tatinim parama od nafte!'.
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#4422 Re: English Premier League
Bubalo1 wrote:Pa to ce uciniti fudbal 1000 puta zanimljivijim...Nece bit evo ti 100 miliona i dodji kod nas..nego razmjena igraca ce bit glavni faktor kao i u NBA i svaki tim ce moci dobrim poslovanjem napadat titulu
Jasta ce
Sa marketinske tacke ovo je katastrofa.
Ovo je kao lutrija, niko ne zeli da se glavna premija podjeli na recimo 100 manjih dobitaka, jer onda niko ne bi igrao, svi misle da su oni predodredjeni da dobiju glavnu premiju.
Tako je i sa fudbalom, koga osim sa marketinskog gledista nebitnih, lokalnih navijaca interesuje 100 podjednakih klubova, ljudi hoce da vide dominaciju i najbolje igrace. na jednom mjestu.
Znaci sa aspekta klubova recimo iz bivse Jugoslavije ovo bi mogla biti i dobra stvar, jer teoretski bi se trebalo vise polagati na igrace iz vlastitih redova, ali gledajuci fubal kao globalni business nema logike.
Bez obzira ocekujem da Sheikh Mansour skonta neku fintu
- Edin H.
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#4423 Re: English Premier League
Ovaj novinar je klocultima_palabra wrote:Evo nešto iz pera najboljeg fudbalskog novinara na planeti...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... index.htmlSid Lowe>INSIDE SOCCER
Torres' exit leaves a bitter taste
For Torres, this move was about ambition and desperation. It was about Chelsea being, in his words, a "big club" -- and a big club right now. It was about Liverpool not being one. Not anymore. And maybe not in the foreseeable future. It was about Torres' fear that his career could slip away from him. And indeed, if Liverpool does emerge stronger now, bolstered by the arrivals of Luis Suárez and Carroll, it might be Torres' departure that made that possible.
Fernando je rekao da je Chelsea "great club", a ne "big club".
U svakom slucaju trebao je dati Kennyju vise vremana i vidjeti kako funkcionise zajedno sa Suarezom.
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#4424 Re: English Premier League
Za sviju. Naravno, nije obavezno. Klub koji zeli da nemilice baca novac i tako gradi ekipu ne mareci za stanje racuna, moze to raditi. Ali u tom slucaju nece biti u mogucnosti da ucestvuje u UEFA takmicenjima. Ne vjerujem da ce se neko tako postaviti, posto su gotovo svi pristali na FFP.sinkaspud wrote:A za koga ce vrijediti ta nova pravila samo u Engleskoj ili okviru cijele evrope, ako je samo u Engleskoj neka ga nista ne uvode sta sad zabraniti Chelseau i Cityu da trose a ovamo Real i Barcelona svaki prelazni rok krhaju minimalno 50 miliona a kad ih ponese i mnogo vise.
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SKAFISKAFNJAK
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#4425 Re: English Premier League
znas li kolika je zarada manjih ekipa i koliko ce onda oni moci trositi. to pravilo je u samom startu cisti promasaj a jos sto ce biti dodatnih caka i fazona, ne treba ni spominjati. ali hajde to sto se nadate tom nekom izjednacavanju ekipa ali sto vam je arsenal neki uzor
