FIAT KONZUMENTI

[ElRe]

Mislim da pored Compasa definitivno ima mjesta za Fiat SUV. Onda po toj logici pored 3008 ne bi bilo mjesta za Grandland?
Ne treba ubiti Fiat da bi Jeep imao jednog rivala manje na tržištu.

Fiat SUV uz drugačiji dizajn, samo prednji pogon, nižu cijenu bi imao drugačiju ciljnu grupu kupaca u odnosu na Compas.

Fiat je dijelom nelogičnim odlukama prethodnog menadžemta i gubio prilike. Sa Puntom su mogli jednostavno uraditi ono što je Opel sa Corsom, a to je promijeniti dizajn, modernizovati enterijer, ubaciti nove motore, platforma je tu i dan danas se koristi i koristiće se, slobodnih fabrika za proizvodnju ima, ali oni su odlučili da im Punto ne treba. A najnelogičnije je to što su odlučili da im ne treba ni Punto CUV (koji će navodno stići 2020/21).

Tipo SW uproad, bi bio sasvim logična nadogradnja, a nema ga.

[Haris.ba]

Ima li habera šta će se u Srbiji proizvoditi?

[ElRe]

Još najmanje 2 godine ništa, a ni Fiat još ne zna šta će biti sa KG.

[kidney]

Mislim da pored Compasa definitivno ima mjesta za Fiat SUV. Onda po toj logici pored 3008 ne bi bilo mjesta za Grandland?
Ne treba ubiti Fiat da bi Jeep imao jednog rivala manje na tržištu.

Fiat SUV uz drugačiji dizajn, samo prednji pogon, nižu cijenu bi imao drugačiju ciljnu grupu kupaca u odnosu na Compas.

Compass kreće dosta povoljno. Nema baš mjesta za Fiat. I to bi za Fiat već bila visoka ciljna grupa. Moje je mišljenje da za mrvicu veću cijenu od Compassa je bolje ponuditi Fiat Low D segment 3 row SUV. I onda još malo skuplji takav Jeep. I tu još nije velika ponuda SUV-ova koji su prije svega dizajnirani za Europu. Padaju mi na pamet VAG trojke od Kodiaqa na dalje, pa još samo Pug 5008. Sve ostalo je ili više tijesno unutra ili preglomazno i preteško.

Eh da su Compass malo drugačije zamislili, mrvicu luksuznije i jedno 2000 eura u prosjeku skuplje onda bi ja imao malo drugačiji stav.

Grandland X je u to doba bio konkurent 3008. Pitanje je što će biti u budućnosti.

Fiat je dijelom nelogičnim odlukama prethodnog menadžemta i gubio prilike. Sa Puntom su mogli jednostavno uraditi ono što je Opel sa Corsom, a to je promijeniti dizajn, modernizovati enterijer, ubaciti nove motore, platforma je tu i dan danas se koristi i koristiće se, slobodnih fabrika za proizvodnju ima, ali oni su odlučili da im Punto ne treba. A najnelogičnije je to što su odlučili da im ne treba ni Punto CUV (koji će navodno stići 2020/21).

Što se novog Punta tiče ti stalno ideš preko onoga što sam napisao ranije. Talijani nisu imali zaleđe talijanske Vlade.

A Corsa soluciju su napravili sa Puntom Evom, čak i malo jače jer je Punto Evo djelomično dobio i novu knsotrukciju od MiTa. Ta je nešto kruća i lakša od Grande Punta. Gdje je nastao problem?

Tipo SW uproad, bi bio sasvim logična nadogradnja, a nema ga.

To nema smisla.

[kidney]

Još najmanje 2 godine ništa, a ni Fiat još ne zna šta će biti sa KG.

A zna li momak iz Gline '95.?

[ElRe]

To nema smisla.

Octavia Scout, Leon X-Perience, Golf Alltrack, pa onda karavani iz klase iznad A4, 508, V60 ...
Klasa ispod i20, Fiesta...
Fiat konkurent Kodiaqa je ništa drugo nego nasljednih Freemonta. Dakle ne bukvalno, ali Freemont je bio pravi robusni crossover.

Glina 95 - ne razumijem.

[mali_milojica]

Trebaju napraviti neki low cost SUV veličine Compasa. Kao sto je Tipo relativno low cost auto C segmenta.
Naravno, uporedo nuditi i 500L (koji bi postao SUV) 500X, 500 XL, koji bi bili lifestyle modeli, gdje bi se na glupostima uzimala lova.
Glupost je ne nastaviti proizvodnju Punta. Pa tu Fiat ima predstavnika desetljećima. Punto low cost, 500 sa 3 ili 5 vrata lifestyle.
I da se referisem, tesko da je ITA država mogla pomoći za vrijeme krize, kad je bila jedna od najpogodjenijih istom.

[kidney]

Octavia Scout, Leon X-Perience, Golf Alltrack, pa onda karavani iz klase iznad A4, 508, V60 ...
Klasa ispod i20, Fiesta...
Fiat konkurent Kodiaqa je ništa drugo nego nasljednih Freemonta. Dakle ne bukvalno, ali Freemont je bio pravi robusni crossover.

Tipo ne nudi ni AWD pa koliko to njemu treba ne znam. To je ulaganje koje donosi malu prodaju, a nije da ne košta ništa.

Imali su Talijani takav eksperiment pa nije uspio, 156 CW.

Mislim da dimenzije Freemonta danas nisu poželjne. Poželjno je nešto od 4.65 do 4.75 metara ukupne dužine, što manje to bolje. Nešto što neće imati preveliku masu i i što će imati izvrsnu iskoristivost prostora.
Freemont baš nije bio sve to. Nisu ni Korenci to pa ih i nisam uzeo za usporedbu.

Glina 95 - ne razumijem.

Pa jedan koji odlučuje je poznat po tom govoru. Ne odlučuje samo Fiat.

Trebaju napraviti neki low cost SUV veličine Compasa. Kao sto je Tipo relativno low cost auto C segmenta.
Naravno, uporedo nuditi i 500L (koji bi postao SUV) 500X, 500 XL, koji bi bili lifestyle modeli, gdje bi se na glupostima uzimala lova.
Glupost je ne nastaviti proizvodnju Punta. Pa tu Fiat ima predstavnika desetljećima. Punto low cost, 500 sa 3 ili 5 vrata lifestyle.
I da se referisem, tesko da je ITA država mogla pomoći za vrijeme krize, kad je bila jedna od najpogodjenijih istom.

Mislim da 500L treba ugasiti i ponuditi nešto drugo.

Što se tiče low cost Fiata. Nakon jučer poslušanog Conference Calla sumnjam da im je to cilj. Traže marginu profita. Ljudi ne smiju pomisliti da im je proizvod jeftin.

Morat ću još detaljno proučiti transkript od jučer. Možda mi je nešto promaklo. No nisu isključili proširenje Fiat game.

To što Talijani nisu mogli pogurati Fiat se odrazilo na godine nakon krize. Čekanje na nove modele i slično. Francuzi i Nijemci su tu naspram Fiata imali leteći start. A Fiat je u 2009. imao jednu "debelu" godinu, rekordan profit.

[ElRe]

Nije realno ocekivati da Italija koja je i dan danas u velikim problemima pomogne Fiatu. Jos sada kada su izmjestili sjediste iz Italije.
Sve u svemu puno pogresnih i adhoc odluka i par dobrih u zadnjih 20 do 25 god.

PSA ne bi bio ovo sto je danas da nije bilo Kineza, Renaulta bez Nisana i sl.

[kidney]

FCA je najveći privatni poslodavac u Italiji. Ako oni puknu puca još puno toga. Tako da Italiji ima smisla stati iza Fiata.

No sve ovo je prošlo svršeno vrijeme. Bivši Fiat sada ima Chrysler. Neke stvari su bile sporije radi kreiranja FCA i Talijani dugo nisu mogli raspolagati Chrysler kešom kako su htjeli.

[mali_milojica]

Kasnili su sa MVP vozilima
Kasne sa SUV vozilima
Mislim da jos jedno kasnjenje ne bi sebi smjeli dopustiti.
Neka odmah sad, koliko je moguće, krenu sa hybridizacijom i elektrifikacijom vozila. Da ne bi opet hvatali zadnji voz.

[ElRe]

FCA je najveći privatni poslodavac u Italiji. Ako oni puknu puca još puno toga. Tako da Italiji ima smisla stati iza Fiata.

No sve ovo je prošlo svršeno vrijeme. Bivši Fiat sada ima Chrysler. Neke stvari su bile sporije radi kreiranja FCA i Talijani dugo nisu mogli raspolagati Chrysler kešom kako su htjeli.

Realno gledano ako nešto ne promijene u naredne maksimalno 2-3 god u problemu bi mogla biti i Amerika. Chrysler i Dodge su "uspavani" sa par modela u ponudi koji široj masi kupaca nisu interesantni. Sve se svelo na RAM kamione i 3 modela Jeepa.

FCA da bi napredovao i uhvatio priključak sa ostalih TOP 5 grupacija mora godišnje izbaciti 10-20 novih modela i/ili karoserijskih izvedbi i redizajna.

[Haris.ba]

Sve se svelo na RAM kamione i 3 modela Jeepa.

Pa to se prodaje. Ne vidim da je to neki problem, jer očito nema smisla sa Japancima se boriti za sedane. A i koliko sam skontao, najviše profita mogu uzeti na tim kamiončićima.

Vidim da Alfa romeo dobija pohvale za stelvio, ali opet za pare koje traže vidim da Amerikanci kao logičnije nude izbore neke druge modele.

Nego. Kakva im je budućnost džipa u Evropi. Hoće li biti nekih jeftinijih modela od Renegejda?

[kidney]

Ako se nekome da čitati. Izvukao sam uglavnom stvari bitne za našu regiju.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/421607 ... art=single

In Europe, we did not enter the WLTP transition as lean on inventory as we would have hoped, and therefore, we needed to utilize high discount sales channels which obviously yielded lower margins and came at a cost to us in the quarter. Now, on a positive note, all vehicles across each of our brands in EMEA were certified under the WLTP standards in advance of the regulatory deadline, and therefore, we're not going to be limited in our offerings going forward. And I would like just to take a moment to thank our powertrain and vehicle engineering teams that worked hard to make that happen.

And as you know, we recently announced the appointment of Pietro Gorlier as COO of the region. And Pietro has a strong track record of improving margins at Magneti Marelli and MOPAR. And he's already focused on this task in EMEA. And as a result, we'll have a more disciplined approach both from a brand and a channel mix perspective. And I expect to see positive development at our brands and improved margins over the coming quarters even if this comes with the short-term reduction in overall volume. The end result will be a better quality business in our EMEA region.

Rod Lache - Wolfe Research

Hi, everybody. Had a few questions. First, was wondering if you could provide just an early view on Europe heading into 2019 for the market and for Fiat Chrysler specifically. Obviously, some volatility right now, but do you believe that the volume and pricing weakness is temporary or no?

Michael Mark Manley - Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV

So this is Mike. I think what we saw in the third quarter, as we described, really was driven by that level of inventory as we came up to that transition date which meant that we had to do things over and above we would normally do to get our inventory in the right position. But, notwithstanding that, if I look back at our performance in EMEA, we began to make progress in terms of our overall margins. And I think that was focused on the areas of, clearly, Jeep brand and mix.

But, from my point of view, I think we still have significant upside and that's one of the key reasons why I think Pietro is a great fit for that role. We clearly have a strong benchmark in Europe, and I think the way that they have improved their margins is something that we've shown we can do in North America and we now just need to make sure we do, do it in EMEA.

So, I see the third quarter as an anomaly. I think we'll improve from that. I think it will take a little while just to clear out some of the used cars from the entire channel that Richard talked about. But we're very focused on margin improvement not just on that price position but also our cost position. So, from that regard, I think we understand what we need and the third quarter, as I said, was an anomaly.

Monica Bosio - Intesa Sanpaolo SpA

Good afternoon, everyone. I would have three questions. The first one is a follow-up on EMEA. I understood that inventories are expected to slow down and to normalize in the last quarter. I'm just wondering should, in any case, expect a still negative pricing impact and a sort of cash burning (54:34) from EMEA in the last quarter?

The second question is on Maserati. It's a similar question. It's on the volume slowdown. I can imagine that the last quarter would be similar to the third quarter given that China is the main contributor to the slowdown of the volume. Can you just give me a check on this and maybe some color on what you expect for Maserati in 2019?

And the very last question is a more general question on the raw material. Can you just give a rough indication of the impact of the higher raw material costs for 2018? If I remember well, you have added contract on the raw materials that are going to expire in this year and I'm just wondering what we can figure out for the next year in terms of higher impact from raw materials given that the steel price is increasing and, if I'm not wrong, also the plastic. Thank you very much.

Michael Mark Manley - Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV

Yeah, Monica. This is Mike. I'm going to answer the Maserati question first. Obviously, the conditions in China market aren't helping. As you know, with Maserati, China accounts were around 50%, maybe just over 50% of Maserati's profit comes from one market. But I think, with hindsight, when we put Maserati and Alfa together, it did two things. Firstly, it reduced the focus on Maserati the brand. And secondly, Maserati was treated for a period of time almost as if it was a mass market brand which it isn't and shouldn't be treated that way.

So, what we've now done is really purify the focus on the brand, split it from Alfa as you know, put Harald Wester in charge. And Harald has a good understanding of the luxury segment and a deep understanding of Maserati as a brand. That will be followed by some further actions that we're going to take in the fourth quarter. And I think, for me, when I look at Maserati's performance, it's not so much a product issue, but more a management and focus issue. So I think we've had those things addressed. The product remains competitive. In fact, the Levante just won a Texas SUV of the Year Award and that's highly competitive.

So, I think it would take at least two quarters as I said in my opening statements to sort through some of the channel issues, but I am expecting Harald and his new team to make some significant progress with Maserati as we get into the second half of 2019.

Michael Mark Manley - Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV

Let me quickly deal with Maserati. The margin target, as you said, was 15% in 2022. I have no reason to believe that Maserati can't achieve that with what I'm seeing today. In terms of Alfa, Alfa does not make a contribution in our business plan – in our performance this year. We are seeing what I think is some good improvement with Alfa.

If you look at its volume improvement year-over-year in the three regions that it operates in, on average, I think it's about 20% up so far. And that volume, even though we're seeing good growth, I still need that volume to grow. So, Alfa, as we get into next year, will have a significant interior refresh and I think that would just build on the volume that we're seeing – the volume improvement we're seeing this year, but it's not making a contribution in 2018.

José M. Asumendi - JPMorgan Securities Plc

Yeah. Thanks so much. Just a couple of questions, please. First one on Europe for Mike. Do you mind maybe sharing your longer-term plans for the region? Are you happy with the current margin structure? Do you think you need to do any changes on the cost structure or product cycle for that matter?

And second for Richard. Working capital assumptions for the fourth quarter, can you help us a little bit around receivables, payables and inventories. What are your best assumptions now for the fourth quarter which should tie up with your cash guidance for the year, please? Thank you.

Michael Mark Manley - Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV

Yeah, José, it's Mike. No, I'm not happy with what I see in EMEA, notwithstanding the fourth quarter. As you know, our margins – notwithstanding the third quarter rather – our margins before that were around, I don't know, 2.8%, 3% margins. We know that some of our peers are getting more than 6% in the region. I think we have a good understanding of what we need to do to deliver that.

And I'll just quickly click down and let me know if it answers your questions. One of the things that I think we have the benefit of is the brands and I think our brand positioning needs to be clarified. That work is now done and I'm talking about the part of the segment that they play in because that's done. I think we can now truly focus on our pricing and our average transaction price because we've got a much clearer picture now of the competitors that we need to be going after.

So I think that there is, for sure, pricing opportunity particularly with the product refreshes that we've got. Our channel mix in Europe, as you know, has often been our weakness in the past. It would take us a little while to make permanent adjustments to that and you may see some volume impact, but the quality of our margins will improve as a result of doing that. And that's something that Pietro and the team are already focused on.

From a cost point of view, clearly, if you can combine margin improvement with the cost point of view – with an improved cost base, then for me, we can get margins that grow fairly significantly. And one of the big focuses for us in the area is to drive our margins up particularly as we get closer to 2021 and higher levels of electrification.

So I think we have the right team in place. I think we have a right understanding of the things that we need to do. Some of those actions are quicker than others. But all of them now are in focus and underway. And I'll hand it to Richard for the second part of the question.

[konektovan]

Da izvineš, ne bi ti ja ovo procitao pa i da se radi o citroenu....

[kidney]

Gledam u nas još nema cjenik za 500X MCA

Inače našao sam test 1.4 MA II i usporedio sa novim 1.3 MA III
Nažalost stari je manualac, novi 1.3


Čini mi se da je 1.3 puno bolji motor po performansama

Vmax je sada 200, sa 1.4 188

Ubrzanje do 100 je za 1.4 10.1, a za novi 9.3

Meduubrzanje nije za usporedbu jer je jedan DCT pa se testira u D, a za manualac u 6.

[basicm]

Meni nema gluplje strategije od ove fca. Ne znam kako uspijevaju. Fiat sa 500 i tipom, nista, alfa i maserati se ispreplicu ne znam kako koga rangirati, a i to slabo ide. Ameri rade solidno, samo da ih ovi ne pokvare.

[NediM17]

https://avaz.ba/zabava/kiosk/428027/pog ... ele-u-luci

[kidney]

[konektovan]

Kaze meni jedan talijan, da je fiat gotovo na haparatima i da mu nema spasa..... po

[vauvau]

Fijat propo ko kauč.

[mali_milojica]

Kaze meni jedan talijan, da je fiat gotovo na haparatima i da mu nema spasa..... po

Reci mu da bude patriota i kupi Fiat

[ElRe]

Umjesto Jeep, staviti Fiat, Antoniu dati odriješene ruke u evropskom centru i intant uspjeh Fiata u Evropi je tu.
Grehota bi bilo da ovo ostane samo na papiru.

[citroen xm]

Meni pomalo ide na onu stvar što više nema pitomih auta. Sve neki nadrkani dizajn u fazonu "sklanjaj mi se sa puta, poješću te".

U neku ruku mi bude i razumljivo što raja poludi za nekim rimejkom starog modela. Koliko god to bilo fensi, bar ima neku ljepotu.

[konektovan]

Kaze meni jedan talijan, da je fiat gotovo na haparatima i da mu nema spasa..... po

Reci mu da bude patriota i kupi Fiat

Ma nema od toga ništa. Covjek kaze da je sve više stranih vozila po Italiji koja su jednako kvalitetna a i mnoga jeftinija od onog sto sam fiat nudi. Mozda bi i kupio fiat-a, ali auto koje njemu treba, fiat nema u ponudi tu klasu vozila. Covjek vozi ford S-max.