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plain vanilla wrote:Pa sigurno da je povijesna licnost vazna za Bosnu i Hercegovinu. A koliko je dobar bio, koliko los...to ce se moci procijeniti kad umru svi njegovi suvremenici...elem, za 100 godina...

Nisam neki njegov fan nikad bila, ali onaj tekst je odron, izjednacavanje zrtve i krvnika..i kad je vec spomenuo SANU, vala kao da su oni narucili tekst
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gdje u tekstu izjednacava zrtvu i krvnika?
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Banksy wrote:Nisi jedini.
Tačno. Cijeli dan čekam da pročitam nešto inteligentno, bar suvislo o ovoj godišnjici, ali ništa.
Slika i prilika svog naroda. Aktuelne političke prilike daju mu retroaktivno puno kredita, pa ga danas gledam skoro drugim očima ...
Da dan ne prodje uludo, evo dobrog teksta:
Alija Izetbegovic, the first president of Bosnia and Herzegovina, has died aged 78 in Sarajevo's Kosevo hospital, which overlooks the graves of so many of that city's siege victims. His was a short - and a late - political career, and one to which he always seemed ill-suited, as if history had played a cruel joke in casting him in a key role in the sad and brutal war disfiguring the Balkans.

Izetbegovic, a Slav Muslim, survived first Serbian and then Croatian assaults on his people and their ancestral lands, Yugoslav army arrest, Serbian rocketing and sniper fire of his offices, the backstabbing of rival Muslim leaders, and the contempt of western mediators before dying of a heart attack in the city he had inhabited since his youth.

Always an improbable national leader, devout and mild-mannered, he chalked up just over five years as president of Bosnia (1990-96) and after that, four years as co-president (1996-2000) in the wake of the Dayton peace treaty of December 1995.As president, he spent most of that time leading the fight for his country's very survival.

In a former Yugoslavia destroyed by misrule and betrayed by a host of treacherous, power-hungry leaders, Izetbegovic stood out as a decent sort. Even so, he blundered and schemed to the detriment of the cause he professed to be serving - that of an integrated Bosnia. He was more sinned against than sinning, but in the political, military, and diplomatic games of the Balkans, he was no angel either.

Izetbegovic emerged from obscurity at the end of the 1980s, just as the political battles that accompanied the collapse of communism and the nationalist ascendancy were being played out. In the spring of 1990, he helped form and was chosen leader of the Democratic Action Party.

In the first modern multi-party elections in November of that year, the Muslim party was strongest, by virtue of representing the biggest single national group, 44% of the pre-war population. By this time, the Bosnian political spectrum had already split along ethnic lines. President Franjo Tudjman of Croatia sponsored the creation of the Bosnian wing of his Croatian Democratic Union, while Radovan Karadzic's Serbian Democratic Party, controlled by Belgrade, became the other main force. Such a politics of ethnic exclusiveness made the war predictable. In opting for ethnic politics, Izetbegovic was as guilty as the Serbian and Croatian fanatics who hated him so viscerally.

As head of the strongest party, Izetbegovic became president, or rather first among equals in the collective presidency. Of all the heads of state in the six republics of former Yugoslavia, Izetbegovic uniquely had been a lifelong anti-communist. All the other leaders had been senior apparatchiks in the communist regime, although Tudjman swapped his communism for nationalism at the end of the 1960s.

By the summer of 1991, war was raging first in Slovenia, then much more seriously in Croatia. In a vain attempt to avert the looming bloodbath, Izetbegovic backed a new, looser structure for Yugoslavia, and sought to sweet-talk the (Serb) Yugoslav army, with its considerable stockpiles of arms and garrisons in Bosnia, into reason. However, he did little to prepare his people for what was about to befall them.

When western Europe bowed to German pressure and recognised Croatia's independence at the beginning of 1992, the Bosnian die was cast. Izetbegovic was forced to decide whether to request international recognition, too, or opt to remain as what would be an appendage of a Greater Serbia run by the Milosevic regime in Belgrade. The choice between following Tudjman or running with Milosevic, both of whom were scheming in secret to carve up Bosnia between them, was like having to choose between leukaemia and a brain tumour, he once memorably remarked.

Following an independence plebiscite, European recognition of a state called Bosnia-Herzegovina came on April 5 1992, and the Serbs launched their partitionist war the next day. The Serbs instituted the Sarajevo siege, and Izetbegovic looked to the wider Muslim world for financial support and hundreds of troops. There followed long weeks bunkered in the Sarajevo presidency where Izetbegovic veered between panic and other-worldly serenity, punctuated by endless negotiating sessions in Geneva, Vienna, London, and Ohio, culminating in the Dayton deal in 1995.

Izetbegovic often seemed a lonely old man. Throughout the terrible waves of ethnic cleansing in what was primarily a war against civilians, Izetbegovic alone among the rival leaders retained a moral stature. "Those who have bloodied their hands cannot be forgiven," he said. "But the only ones who are to be forgiven regardless of everything are the women and children. Let us not be an army that does what they are doing to us. Let us never fight against women and children. We will never win if we do."

The Serb and Croat leaders hated him for that kind of talk. In the propaganda of both regimes, Izetbegovic was a closet ayatollah, scheming to establish an Islamic theocracy.

He was a devout Muslim, who once affirmed that he had "no national feelings at all". The religious activism that earned him two jail terms under the communists was distorted by the Serb and Croat regimes to paint him as an Islamic supremacist.

Izetbegovic was born in the north Bosnian town of Bosanski Samac, and moved as a child to Sarajevo, where he spent the second world war. Just after the war, as Tito's communists tightened their grip on Yugoslavia, he was jailed for three years for religious agitation. He later studied law at Sarajevo university and worked as a legal consultant to Bosnian firms.

In 1970, he published his Islamic Declaration, a tract that says Islam is incompatible with non-Islamic systems and calls for Islamic religious and political revolution. The book made no reference to Bosnia, but it remained the basis for the well-funded and well-organised Serb and Croat campaigns to label Izetbegovic a fundamentalist.

In 1982, with Bosnia under hardline communist rule, Izetbegovic got a 14-year term for his publication Islam Between East And West, an attempt to define the curious status of Bosnia's Muslims, a population of semi-westernised Balkan Slavs. He served five years in Foca, south-east of Sarajevo, where Serbs massacred Muslims during the second world war and again in 1992.

He emerged from jail in 1988 to a Yugoslavia in its death throes, a process seriously set in train the previous year by the arrival in power of Slobodan Milosevic in Belgrade.

With the bigger and more powerful Serbian and Croatian nationalist rulers bent on helping themselves to Bosnia and confining the Muslims to the status of second-class citizens, the odds were stacked against Izetbegovic.

In the end, he, too, ended up a nationalist leader, agreeing in mid-1993 to the division of Bosnia along ethnic lines. And embittered by the ferocity of the assault on Bosnia's Muslims and what he perceived as their betrayal by the west, he eschewed all claim to multi-ethnic leadership.

However, above all, Izetbegovic, branded a fundamentalist by his enemies but who embodied the wish to live-and-let-live more than those enemies ever did, leaves behind a country partitioned and destroyed by the real fundamentalists, the Serb and Croat leaderships, in the worst barbarity seen in Europe since the Nazis.

He is survived by his wife, Halida, and three children, Sabina, Lejla and Bakir.
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-LIBERO- wrote:Evo Tihic Sulejman- "zakupljeno" vrijeme na Face TV :D

Poenta price- niko niko...kao jaaa....i SDA, naravno :D :lol:
Tihić je kao Džeko. Proradi kada se najmanje nadaš. :mrgreen:

Bit će svega sljedeće sedmice.
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Bio je Insan. Rahmet mu duši.
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Sutra u Banja Luci sastanak delegacija SDP i SNSD,
da li ovi iz SDA znaju ista o ovome :D :D :D :D
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"A koja stranka i ciji stranacki ljudi to danas ne kradu? Cak sta vise i gori su, ucjenjuju i ugnjetavaju male ljude da bi pribavili korist i ostali na vlasti...Daj molim te ako su drugi toliko posteni zasto je stanje ovakvo kako jeste!??? Korupcija, a svim nivoima vlasti, kriminal cvjeta, kupovina poslova, mijenjanje stranaka za fotelje, nepotizam itd..nema cega nema i plus jedno veliko neznanje tih istih sto sjede u vlasti!


Popustite SDA :thumbup:"

Ovo je tema o SDA. Na temi o SDP-u cu reci sta mislim o SDP-u. To je jedno. Drugo, od 1995. do danas SDA je (barem u dijelu zemlje u kojem ja zivim) imala najvise vlasti. Kada kazem najvise mislim na i na kolicinu i na vremenski period dakle od 1995. do danas sa prekidima od po dvije godine 2000. - 2002. i 2010. do danas. Pa su mogli, a i jesu, ukrasti najvise. Takodje su imali vremena, da su htjeli, za tih 15 godina koliko su vladali vise i bolje napraviti. Zasto nisu? A zasto bi? Zbog naroda i drzave? Jest', kako da ne...
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Predsjednik RS-a i SNSD-a Milorad Dodika potvrdio je večeras da će se u narednih sedam dana riješiti problem deblokade vlasti na nivou BiH, ponovivši da ostaje pri zahtjevu za smjenu ministra vanjskih poslova BiH Zlatka Lagumdžije i prvog zamjenika predsjedavajućeg Predstavničkog doma Parlamentarne skupštine BiH Denisa Bećirovića i da će „oni biti smijenjeni“.

I SDA ima svoje razloge za smjenu Lagumdžije, dodao je Dodik večeras u intervju za RTRS i naveo da bi Lagumdžija mogao biti smijenjen već u prvom krugu
-Mislim da će se do srijede riješiti mnoga pitanja. Nastavit ćemo razgovore sa svima tražeći najbolju soluciju. Ostajemo pri svom zahjevu za smjenu Lagumdžije i podržat ćemo smjenu Bećirovića koju je pokrenuo SDS, s kojim nastavljamo saradnju na državnom nivou, dodao je on.

S Lagumdžijom je, kaže, razgovorao i o zahtjevu za njegovu smjenu, te kako to izbjeći, ali, navodi Dodik, nema garancija kako će biti njegovo ponašanje u budućnosti, budući da je iz RS-a zatražena smjena jer je, kako su tvrdili, kao šef bh.diplomatije prekršio Ustav BiH i prekršio dogovor o formiranju Vijeća ministara.

-----------osim ovog ne znam nista novo :D
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Bajato ti to , kasnis :-D :-D :-D
19.10.2012 20:51

BANJALUKA - Delegacije Saveza nezavisnih socijaldemokrata (SNSD) i Socijaldemokratske partije BiH (SDP) sutra će se sastati u Banjaluci.

Stranačke delegacije predvodiće lideri stranaka Milorad Dodik i Zlatko Lagumdžija. Kako "Nezavisne novine" saznaju, tema razgovora biće relaksacija odnosa između ove dvije socijaldemokratske partije.
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E jest mi zao Zlatka u pm, nije ni uzjahao kako treba vec mora po pivu i cigare :(
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pa dobro. niko nece nista znati dok se ne glasa. dakle do ponedjeljka je sve rekla-kazala ;-)
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sandoz11 wrote:Bajato ti to , kasnis :-D :-D :-D
19.10.2012 20:51

BANJALUKA - Delegacije Saveza nezavisnih socijaldemokrata (SNSD) i Socijaldemokratske partije BiH (SDP) sutra će se sastati u Banjaluci.

Stranačke delegacije predvodiće lideri stranaka Milorad Dodik i Zlatko Lagumdžija. Kako "Nezavisne novine" saznaju, tema razgovora biće relaksacija odnosa između ove dvije socijaldemokratske partije.
Sastaju se dva izborna gubitnika da se malo izjadaju jedan drugom. Samo me interesuje koliko ce se Zlaja poturiti Miletu da bi ostao u vlasti.
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VELIKIM BOGOM SE KUNEMO DA ROBOVI BITI NEĆEMO!!!

Neka ti je vječni rahmet prvi i najdraži predsjedniče države Bosne i Hercegovine!

Zbog svojih godina na žalost nisam imao čast da se borim pod njegovom komandom, ali sam do neba ponosan na svog rahmetli oca koji se borio na strani pravde,istine i čojstva utjelovljenog u borbi za Bosnu i Hercegovinu!

Alijin san o jedinstvenoj Bosni i Hercegovini je ostao nedosanjan, ali borba za taj san nikad ne treba i ne smije stati sve dok neprijatelj ne bude poražen!
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Libero,
Poenta price- niko niko...kao jaaa..
Zar ovo ne bi trebalo biti na temi SDP ? :)
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Alija Izetbegović je doveo svojom politikom narod na ivicu nestanka, i pri tom se enormno obogatio kradući donacije upućene tom narodu iz cijelog svijeta.
Ne postoji adekvatna kazna za njega i ove oko njega, kako na ovom tako i na onom svijetu.
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Holms wrote:Alija Izetbegović je doveo svojom politikom narod na ivicu nestanka, i pri tom se enormno obogatio kradući donacije upućene tom narodu iz cijelog svijeta.
Ne postoji adekvatna kazna za njega i ove oko njega, kako na ovom tako i na onom svijetu.
To ti utvrdio dokaze i donio presudu :lol: Sve sam... kapacitet, nema šta :roll:
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Ženski Dr.Med wrote:Evo ljepotana koji je napisao ovaj text .....

Mirza Softić

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ovo je njegov nivo:
Ako stanujete u roditeljskom stanu, ovi troškovi će biti neuporedivo manji. Takav način života je poznat jedino Balkancima i Talijanima, dok će domaći studenti sve vrijeme raditi i izdržavati se, pa će pozajmica moći biti i manja. Za razliku od naših pravila studija, u Holandiji vam može ići staž dok studirate redovno, čak i ako ste stranac, a tako je i u još nekim zemljama.

Ono što nije lijepo je činjenica da javni prevoz mogu koristiti jedino domaći studenti, jer se on finansira iz poreza. Što se ostalih beneficija tiče, ova zemlja je sređena od početka do kraja, pa je tako i sa univerzitetima. Svaki univerzitet ima organizaciju koja će vam pomoći oko smještaja, pobrinuti se za vašu socijalizaciju, pomoći vam da bolje upoznate ljude i grad, uključiti vas u sve moguće tokove, do tolike mjere da će vam kupiti bicikl u vaše ime, ako to već ne znate učiniti sami.

Budete li htjeli popiti kafu u studentskom holu, a nemate sitno za automat, tu je mašina koja će vam rasitniti novac. Vi ubacite npr. 10€, a izađu vam kovanice od pola, 1 i 2 €. Takvi detalji postanu normalni nakon određenog boravka, ali na prvi pogled vam se sve to čini nevjerovatnim, ne možete se snaći i konstantno mislite da se radi o skrivenoj kameri.
http://www.radiosarajevo.ba/novost/2855 ... skoj-uniji.
A ovo govno od teksta što je postao sličan njemu, a kvotali ostali je pisao neko puno pametniji, ali koji mrzi ovu zemlju sa istom energijom kao on.
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KatarinaKosaca wrote:
Holms wrote:Alija Izetbegović je doveo svojom politikom narod na ivicu nestanka, i pri tom se enormno obogatio kradući donacije upućene tom narodu iz cijelog svijeta.
Ne postoji adekvatna kazna za njega i ove oko njega, kako na ovom tako i na onom svijetu.
To ti utvrdio dokaze i donio presudu :lol: Sve sam... kapacitet, nema šta :roll:
:thumbup:
nemoj tako, možda mu je mirza softić pomogao :lol: ..
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Pa kako je to Alija doveo Bosnjake na ivicu nestanka, zivota vam vaseg.
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emigrazione wrote:Pa kako je to Alija doveo Bosnjake na ivicu nestanka, zivota vam vaseg. J**em vam uciteljicu koja vas je tako ucila
Nemoj nju čovječe. Opet si ti donji. Ta mora da ima komplekse vezane za fizički izgled jer čime objasniti takav njen stav. :mrgreen:
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vatrogasac wrote:
emigrazione wrote:Pa kako je to Alija doveo Bosnjake na ivicu nestanka, zivota vam vaseg. J**em vam uciteljicu koja vas je tako ucila
Nemoj nju čovječe. Opet si ti donji. Ta mora da ima komplekse vezane za fizički izgled jer čime objasniti takav njen stav. :mrgreen:
ja nisam skontao kome se vas dvojica obraćate..pomozite mi molim vas..
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Innovation wrote:Libero,
Poenta price- niko niko...kao jaaa..
Zar ovo ne bi trebalo biti na temi SDP ? :)

Da si slusao Tihica sada sa Senadom, shvatio bi sto sam to napisao. Toliko je covjek ishvalio i sebe i SDA da je bilo degutantno vise.

A to sto vjerovatno aludiras na Zlatka, to se slazem, ali ovo nije tema o njemu i SDP-u ;-)
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Malo mi je čudno... "Autor" niti živi u BIH, niti ima dovoljno godina da se sjeća Dedinog predsjednikovanja. Tako da to i ovom smeću od članka daje dodatni aditiv odbacivanja ikakve vjerodostojne podloge.
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KatarinaKosaca wrote:Malo mi je čudno... "Autor" niti živi u BIH, niti ima dovoljno godina da se sjeća Dedinog predsjednikovanja. Tako da to i ovom smeću od članka daje dodatni aditiv odbacivanja ikakve vjerodostojne podloge.
vjerovatno je cit'o

sad cekam da nam objasni da mi koji ovdje zivimo ne znamo...
iznervirala sam se odmah jutros :-)
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plain vanilla wrote:
KatarinaKosaca wrote:Malo mi je čudno... "Autor" niti živi u BIH, niti ima dovoljno godina da se sjeća Dedinog predsjednikovanja. Tako da to i ovom smeću od članka daje dodatni aditiv odbacivanja ikakve vjerodostojne podloge.
vjerovatno je cit'o

sad cekam da nam objasni da mi koji ovdje zivimo ne znamo...
iznervirala sam se odmah jutros :-)
Mora da je čitao članove Bosanskog kongresa po internetu :lol: :lol: :lol: Sve dezerter do dezertera :-) :-)
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KatarinaKosaca wrote:
Man of steel wrote:
-LIBERO- wrote:Irana?
Nije iz Irana ali živim u gradu koji ima više džamija nego Teheran...

Na moju radost, a tvoju žalost.
Bošnjački narod nije = vjeska skupina
Bošnjački narod nije = nekoliko džamija
Alija Izetbegović je prvi predsjednik BIH, zalagao se za sekularnu državu i vjeru u intimi svakog pojedinca.
Te riječi šalješ na pogrešnu adresu.

Nisam ja komunjara i Jugosloven da Bošnjake svodim na religijsku skupinu.

Ovaj post bi trebala uputiti @Liberu koji je koristeći Dodikovu retoriku mene smjestio u Teheran, zbog čega je dobio i odgovor koji je više bio sarkastične prirode.
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Man of steel wrote:Te riječi šalješ na pogrešnu adresu.

Nisam ja komunjara i Jugosloven da Bošnjake svodim na religijsku skupinu.

Ovaj post bi trebala uputiti @Liberu koji je koristeći Dodikovu retoriku mene smjestio u Teheran, zbog čega je dobio i odgovor koji je više bio sarkastične prirode.
Bio je odgovor na refleksiju o džamijama. Ja nisam muslimanka, i ne zanimaju me džamije, ali jesam Bosanka i čovjek o kojem govorimo je bio predsjednik moje domovine u njenom najbolnijem i najtežem periodu.
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