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splinter wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:35 https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/izra ... /210705155

Evo ono o čemu sam danas pisao. Dosta friziraju i fingiraju procente efikasnosti.
Na kraju S protein koji se sitentizira nakon unosa mRNK vakcine nije isti kao onaj na Delta soju, peritop antitijela ne prepoznaje antigenski epitop i zato se toliko smanjuje efikasnost.

red evil wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:33

salik79 wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:12

Ja cijelo vrijeme govorim, pozivajuci se na dr. Malonea, o citotoksicnosti spike proteina koji se nalazi iskljucivo u mRNA vakcinama. Ko laze?!

Pa valjda se taj protein nalazi u svim vakcina? Sam virus se veže za ćeliju sa tim proteinom.

skafiskafsnjak wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:32

homer2go wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:32

Još jedna ZOMBI revolucija u najavi

BTW ne kontam što se sekiraš, pravovjerni će preživjeti a nevjernici zazombisati, ti bi de facto trebao biti sretan

Wtf?

salik79 wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:34

jeza u ledja wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:26

I onda stavis link za clanak koji tvrdi upravo suprotno. Prema tome ti lazes.

Koji clanak tvrdi suprotno, jesi li ti dobar!?

salik79 wrote: ↑05/07/2021 21:21

jeza u ledja wrote: ↑05/07/2021 21:18 A koji rad ukazuje na to da su vakcine toksicne?

This conclusion suggests that vaccination-generated antibody and/or exogenous antibody against S protein not only protects the host from SARS-CoV-2 infectivity but also inhibits S protein-imposed endothelial injury.

udri me jace wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:37 Nobelovca koji je izumio pcr testove i covjeka koji je otkrio mrna tehnologiju cenzurisu i oznace kao fakenews neki novinarcici sa factceking stranica i kazu nam da oni pojma nemaju a isture nam kona cerkeza i berosa za koje nikad niko cuo nije da nam kazu da se moramo vakcinisati ili necemo moci u granap

jeza u ledja wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:42

salik79 wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:34

Koji clanak tvrdi suprotno, jesi li ti dobar!?

Ovaj iz tvog citata:

salik79 wrote: ↑05/07/2021 21:21

This conclusion suggests that vaccination-generated antibody and/or exogenous antibody against S protein not only protects the host from SARS-CoV-2 infectivity but also inhibits S protein-imposed endothelial injury.

Jel dosta laganja ili ces jos nastaviti?

jeza u ledja wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:42

salik79 wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:34

Koji clanak tvrdi suprotno, jesi li ti dobar!?

Ovaj iz tvog citata:

salik79 wrote: ↑05/07/2021 21:21

This conclusion suggests that vaccination-generated antibody and/or exogenous antibody against S protein not only protects the host from SARS-CoV-2 infectivity but also inhibits S protein-imposed endothelial injury.

Jel dosta laganja ili ces jos nastaviti?

Representative images of vascular endothelial control cells (left) and cells treated with the SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein (right) show that the spike protein causes increased mitochondrial fragmentation in vascular cells.

Similarly, scientists studying other coronaviruses have long suspected that the spike protein contributed to damaging vascular endothelial cells, but this is the first time the process has been documented.

In the new study, the researchers created a “pseudovirus” that was surrounded by SARS-CoV-2 classic crown of spike proteins, but did not contain any klix virus. Exposure to this pseudovirus resulted in damage to the lungs and arteries of an animal model—proving that the spike protein alone was enough to cause disease. Tissue samples showed inflammation in endothelial cells lining the pulmonary artery walls.

The team then replicated this process in the lab, exposing healthy endothelial cells (which line arteries) to the spike protein. They showed that the spike protein damaged the cells by binding ACE2. This binding disrupted ACE2’s molecular signaling to mitochondria (organelles that generate energy for cells), causing the mitochondria to become damaged and fragmented.

Previous studies have shown a similar effect when cells were exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, but this is the first study to show that the damage occurs when cells are exposed to the spike protein on its own.

salik79 wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:55

jeza u ledja wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:42

Ovaj iz tvog citata:





Jel dosta laganja ili ces jos nastaviti?

Mislis ovo?!

Representative images of vascular endothelial control cells (left) and cells treated with the SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein (right) show that the spike protein causes increased mitochondrial fragmentation in vascular cells.

Similarly, scientists studying other coronaviruses have long suspected that the spike protein contributed to damaging vascular endothelial cells, but this is the first time the process has been documented.

In the new study, the researchers created a “pseudovirus” that was surrounded by SARS-CoV-2 classic crown of spike proteins, but did not contain any klix virus. Exposure to this pseudovirus resulted in damage to the lungs and arteries of an animal model—proving that the spike protein alone was enough to cause disease. Tissue samples showed inflammation in endothelial cells lining the pulmonary artery walls.

The team then replicated this process in the lab, exposing healthy endothelial cells (which line arteries) to the spike protein. They showed that the spike protein damaged the cells by binding ACE2. This binding disrupted ACE2’s molecular signaling to mitochondria (organelles that generate energy for cells), causing the mitochondria to become damaged and fragmented.

Previous studies have shown a similar effect when cells were exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, but this is the first study to show that the damage occurs when cells are exposed to the spike protein on its own.

Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines) also play a key role in the disease itself.

jeza u ledja wrote: ↑05/07/2021 23:23

salik79 wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:55

Mislis ovo?!

Znaci ipak ces nastaviti s laganjem.

Ima li tu gdje rijec "vakcina"?

Pise fino u prvom paragrafu da se S protein u vakcinama ponasa drukcije od S proteina u virusu.

Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines) also play a key role in the disease itself.

Izgleda da trebam uslikati posto se pravis lud:



https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-n ... n-illness/

red evil wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:33

salik79 wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:12

Ja cijelo vrijeme govorim, pozivajuci se na dr. Malonea, o citotoksicnosti spike proteina koji se nalazi iskljucivo u mRNA vakcinama. Ko laze?!

Pa valjda se taj protein nalazi u svim vakcina? Sam virus se veže za ćeliju sa tim proteinom.

splinter wrote: ↑05/07/2021 22:35 https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/izra ... /210705155

Evo ono o čemu sam danas pisao. Dosta friziraju i fingiraju procente efikasnosti.
Na kraju S protein koji se sitentizira nakon unosa mRNK vakcine nije isti kao onaj na Delta soju, peritop antitijela ne prepoznaje antigenski epitop i zato se toliko smanjuje efikasnost.

salik79 wrote: ↑05/07/2021 23:37

jeza u ledja wrote: ↑05/07/2021 23:23

Znaci ipak ces nastaviti s laganjem.

Ima li tu gdje rijec "vakcina"?

Pise fino u prvom paragrafu da se S protein u vakcinama ponasa drukcije od S proteina u virusu.



Izgleda da trebam uslikati posto se pravis lud:



https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-n ... n-illness/

Sta znaci "very differently"? Gdje je receno da nije citotoksican? Vrijeme ce pokazati koliko i u kojem smislu se je ponasao "very differently"... A na sebi i na svojim najmilijima to ne bih zelio testirati.

salik79 wrote: ↑05/07/2021 21:21

jeza u ledja wrote: ↑05/07/2021 21:18 A koji rad ukazuje na to da su vakcine toksicne?

jeza u ledja wrote: ↑06/07/2021 00:05

salik79 wrote: ↑05/07/2021 23:37

Sta znaci "very differently"? Gdje je receno da nije citotoksican? Vrijeme ce pokazati koliko i u kojem smislu se je ponasao "very differently"... A na sebi i na svojim najmilijima to ne bih zelio testirati.

Nije nigdje u clanku receno da vakcine nisu citotoksicne. No ti si tvrdio da pise da jesu.

Dokaz ispod:

salik79 wrote: ↑05/07/2021 21:21

salik79 wrote: ↑06/07/2021 00:13

jeza u ledja wrote: ↑06/07/2021 00:05

Nije nigdje u clanku receno da vakcine nisu citotoksicne. No ti si tvrdio da pise da jesu.

Dokaz ispod:

Rijec je o spike proteinu (kojeg sam prije tog sto citiras spominjao) koji je sastavni dio te vakcine, a on je citotoksican. A ako je on sastavni dio te vakcine, a znamo da je citotoksican, tesko da bas vakcina nije citotoksicna.

Ono, nije govno nego se pas posr'o.

jeza u ledja wrote: ↑06/07/2021 00:16

salik79 wrote: ↑06/07/2021 00:13

Rijec je o spike proteinu (kojeg sam prije tog sto citiras spominjao) koji je sastavni dio te vakcine, a on je citotoksican. A ako je on sastavni dio te vakcine, a znamo da je citotoksican, tesko da bas vakcina nije citotoksicna.

Ono, nije govno nego se pas posr'o.

Naravno da ne, jer se S protein u vakcini ponasa drukcije od onog u virusu, sto i pise u samom clanku.

salik79 wrote: ↑06/07/2021 00:13

Rijec je o spike proteinu (kojeg sam prije tog sto citiras spominjao) koji je sastavni dio te vakcine, a on je citotoksican.

daddy-kool wrote: ↑06/07/2021 00:18

salik79 wrote: ↑06/07/2021 00:13

Rijec je o spike proteinu (kojeg sam prije tog sto citiras spominjao) koji je sastavni dio te vakcine, a on je citotoksican.

Spike protein se nalazi i u ruskoj i kineskoj vakcini, a ne nalazi se u mRNA vakcinama (one sadrže instrukcije za proizvodnju istog).

salik79 wrote: ↑06/07/2021 00:24

daddy-kool wrote: ↑06/07/2021 00:18

Spike protein se nalazi i u ruskoj i kineskoj vakcini, a ne nalazi se u mRNA vakcinama (one sadrže instrukcije za proizvodnju istog).

Posto nisam strucan, moze li neki citat koji to i dokazuje? Ovaj drugo dio recenice bas i nisam razumio...

daddy-kool wrote: ↑06/07/2021 00:32

salik79 wrote: ↑06/07/2021 00:24

Posto nisam strucan, moze li neki citat koji to i dokazuje? Ovaj drugo dio recenice bas i nisam razumio...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... ccine.html
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... ccine.html
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... ccine.html

The spike proteins from the virus and the ones generated by the vaccines are “essentially the same,” McLellan, the spike protein researcher at the University of Texas at Austin, told us, noting that they have the same function, structure and way of processing.

But, he said, there is “one key difference,” in that the spikes encoded by the vaccines “contain 2 amino acid changes that help stabilize the spike in its initial conformation and help prevent the spike from undergoing a conformational change that is required to facilitate membrane fusion.”

That’s because the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is a shape-shifter. To fuse its viral membrane with the host cell membrane it substantially changes its shape from an unstable pre-fusion state to a stable post-fusion state. While previously working on a vaccine for MERS, a disease caused by another coronavirus, McLellan and others discovered that by adding two proline molecules to the spike protein, they could lock it into its pre-fusion state, triggering a more effective immune response and preventing cell entry. The same harmless mutation, called 2P, as in two proline molecules, is used in the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.

salik79 wrote: ↑06/07/2021 00:13

jeza u ledja wrote: ↑06/07/2021 00:05

Nije nigdje u clanku receno da vakcine nisu citotoksicne. No ti si tvrdio da pise da jesu.

Dokaz ispod:

Rijec je o spike proteinu (kojeg sam prije tog sto citiras spominjao) koji je sastavni dio te vakcine, a on je citotoksican. A ako je on sastavni dio te vakcine, a znamo da je citotoksican, tesko da bas vakcina nije citotoksicna.

Ono, nije govno nego se pas posr'o.