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Poslovni rezultati po planu. Profit je čak veći nego kod GM-a. Jedina briga ove godine je Forex. Ford je tu već popušio ove godine.

https://www.fcagroup.com/en-US/investors/events/quarterly_results_presentations/FCA_2018_First_Quarter_Results_Presentation.pdf

Tradicionalno već uz rezultate ide i kvartalni Conference Call. Razgovor sa analitičarima i investitorima.

Malo o CAPEX-u za ovu godinu:
George Galliers - Evercore ISI

Good afternoon. First question just relates to the North American earnings bridge and the €1.1 billion step up in industrial costs. Could you just give us some insight into how much of that related to the launches of the new products and therefore likely dissipate in the second quarter and the rest of the year?

Richard Keith Palmer - Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV

Hello, George. The €1.1 billion is basically, about €300 million as we mentioned earlier relates to pure launch costs. So we expect those to come down significantly in Q2 and then to become basically versus zero in the second half of the year. And then the rest of the cost, some of it is related to the product cost obviously. We shipped about 120,000 of the new vehicles between the Wrangler, the Cherokee (00:24:58) Ram 1500, and so that accounts for about a third of this number. And then we also had higher D&A, higher fixed costs and R&D as well as some negative FX impacts in the quarter which we will see repeated in the second quarter, but then they will dissipate in the second half of the year as the comparative in terms of exchange gets easier. So about a third of the cost really is launch costs that we obviously need to work to reduce significantly in Q2 and then to zero in the second half.

George Galliers - Evercore ISI

Okay, great. Thank you. And then just on commodities, I think, Q4 you spoke about around an €850 million headwind for this year. Can you just clarify how much of that you saw during Q1 and whether there's any update to that number?

Richard Keith Palmer - Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV

Yes. The number remains substantially the same in terms of the full-year forecast. And we had about €200 million in Q1, which is about a 1.2% impact.

George Galliers - Evercore ISI

Okay, thanks. And then just one final one quickly. Clearly, a decent step down in CapEx to Q1. I think again looking back to Q4 you suggested a run rate of about €8 billion to €8.5 billion for the full year. Do you still stick to that guidance given the Q1 number, or could CapEx actually come in a bit lower than €8 billion?

Sergio Marchionne - Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV

We're going to stick to the guidance we gave you. You understand that there's no capital that is being committed now, which is going to have any impact on 2018 numbers. These are all forward capital of commitments. They're effectively pre (00:26:47) spending on the 2022 plan. So it's not as if we're slowing the machine down, it's just that as part of this articulation of our view about what we're going to be doing between now and 2022.

We have re-dimensioned and there've been some changes even in our own thinking about where capital is going to get deployed, and we'll see hopefully sort of the complexity of the choices that we've had to deal with on June 1 when we take you through the process. But there's nothing nefarious about the slowdown in Q1. I think it reflects a relevant pause in anticipation of a full deployment on the capital expenditure profile going out to 2022. The number is not going to materially change from what Richard gave you at Q4 last year.

George Galliers - Evercore ISI

Perfect. Thanks for the detail. Thank you.

Počelo pitanjem o Alfi, a završilo sa tim da novi Grand Cherokee izlazi 2020. Sergio je spomenuo i važnost Giorgio projekta za cijelu grupu.
Martino De Ambroggi - Equita SIM SpA

Okay. Thank you. And the second question is on Alfa Romeo, you mentioned the starting point for your successor will be good for the group, but what will be the starting point for Alfa Romeo standalone?

Sergio Marchionne - Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV

I'm not sure I understand the question about standalone Alfa. I don't think I ever made a comment about the brand standing alone. I think the starting point for my successor in running the group is a much better starting point that I've seen since I've been here in the last 14, 15 years. I just think that – and hopefully, we will be able to delineate the development that we expect out of Alfa and Maserati going forward as we get together on June 1, but I think the future for both of those premium brands is pretty clear.

I go back to what I say, the minute you start repeating yourself you should be careful, but I think those brands today represent a pretty visible assertion of the technical skill level that FCA has been able to develop in the last few years. And I think we have spent – if I told you how many hours we have spent internally analyzing the architectural choices that we've had to make in connection with the launch of the new Grand Cherokee which is coming on in 2020. And if we were to explain to you the interconnectedness of that architecture with the work that's gone on with Alfa in the last four years, you will be incredibly surprised as to how the depth of knowledge that we acquired since 2012 in developing Alfa has actually weaved itself into the development of the Grand Cherokee.

And I think we can't ignore those facts. I think they keep on reinforcing the fact that all these things are ultimately connected and then it's up to us in managing these processes to make sure that we extract the highest level of, I hate using the term synergy, but we extract the highest level of utilization from these investments which have been pretty massive and large over time and they effectively benefit the whole portfolio of FCA. That's something hopefully will become visible on June 1 as we point out the far reaching changes that are going on not just in terms of architectures, but also in terms of engines, (00:38:47) and the intrusion of electrification into the portfolio. So we're less than two months away from that day, June 1 is pretty close. So, just hang on to your seat.

Izgleda da je Jeep K8 samo prvi u nizu Jeep proizvoda specijalno dizajniranih za kineski tržište:
John Murphy - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Good morning, good afternoon, guys. Just a question on the Commander in China, and Sergio just to push you a little bit on this, I mean, is sort of the problem with Jeep in China that you didn't have a significant three-row vehicle and that's kind of where the market is and do you see that as potential solution of maybe just extending wheel bases and that will help the sales dramatically?

Sergio Marchionne - Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV

You're partially right. I also think it's a question on brand positioning and I think it's something that needs work and I think we've embraced the objective now. I think we underestimated or we overestimated the value of the American DNA of Jeep onto the Chinese market. And I think that we need to retune that DNA to make sure that it becomes absolutely relevant to the Chinese market. We started that process about six months ago. It needs to be completed. And I think the K8, this new vehicle, the three-row, the Commander that's being launched which by the way the internal name is K8, but – which has nothing to do with the movie. But the K8 is the first embodiment of the realignment of the portfolio to the Chinese market. There'll be others. And I think that we started well. I think the car was launched, I think today in Beijing, and I think it will be in market in Q2. I think that will be really the litmus test as to whether we've made a transition well into China or not will be visible as soon as we start seeing sales numbers for the Commander.

Do 2022. je cilj opet imati preko 10% margine profita u regiji LATAM:
Thomas Besson - Kepler Cheuvreux SA

Thank you very much. I have two please. First, on LATAM, you lifted your profitability quite substantially and that's where you surprised positively versus expectations. Can you say a few words about the potential for profitability in the region in 2018 and beyond given the additional capacity that have been added to the region, maybe you want to keep that for June 1, but (00:50:01)

Richard Keith Palmer - Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV

I can give you an indication on numbers. I think it's going to get back to double-digits by 2022.

Thomas Besson - Kepler Cheuvreux SA

Okay. So you think we could return to a €1 billion plus of EBIT contribution from LATAM.

Richard Keith Palmer - Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV

Yes.

Za kraj malo o europskom tržištu:
José M. Asumendi - JPMorgan Securities Plc

Thanks very much. José, JPMorgan. I just want to come back to Europe where there is clearly some progress in terms of EBIT margins, but I think you're lagging peers. It looks to me like (00:54:00) dedicated to the region and you're selling in excess of 1.3 million units. So what is the plan going forward with the next quarter? Is there anything you can do short-term to improve the product mix in the region or outsource production to (00:54:17)? Yes, any comments on that please. Thanks so much.

Sergio Marchionne - Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV

Yes. By the way, outsourcing production to other manufacturers is not a short-term measure. If you're running a pizza joint, you can do it quickly. I can't do it on the car side. But, look, I think we need to wait until June 1. By the way, you were very nice and generous when you said that we are underperforming our peers and the answer is, yes. At least, not all of them, there's at least one guy who's doing a tremendous job and we're envious of what he's done (00:54:51). I think we've carried out some pretty extensive analysis internally about where our shortcomings are and I think the objective in the plan that we're going to launch for 2022 is to effectively make up that difference and move this business into a different place. We've done, I think a decent job of moving in thus far. I don't think we did enough to get it in the right place, hopefully it will become evident on June 1 and then the final step in the repositioning of EMEA is crucial. There were a couple of comments that were made by a couple of you guys in connection with the 2022 plan, I think in particular vis-à-vis EMEA.

And this I will tackle head-on when we get together on June 1. Of all the issues that we need to deal with strategically, as geographic areas, EMEA is the one that presents the highest level of complexity and certainly the biggest challenge because of the regulatory framework within which we're operating. And I think anything that we do, vis-à-vis 2022, has to take that issue into account and that needs to be the single largest driver of the repositioning of the business. Because ignoring that issue apart from the financial consequences of fines, penalties, noncompliance, et cetera, which are very onerous and which are, I mean it needs to be avoided like the Black Plague. There are some fundamental consequences associated with product and positioning of the brands that we need to address. And a large portion of the time that we spend crafting the 2022 plan has been devoted to that issue.

And by the way, when I look at the economics, and I look at return on invested time, forget about invested capital, return on invested time and the effort that's required to make EMEA reasonably profitable, not excessively profitable, but reasonably profitable, one would have to wonder why one is doing it, because it is fraught with difficulty, it is an incredibly complex jigsaw puzzle. And I think we've got a pretty good idea of what we want to get done. It will become much clearer when we get together on June 1 as to why the choices that we made are what they are, because I think the consequences of taking anything else would really be a huge disturbance in terms of the 2022 objective. So, bear with us, we'll talk about this on June 1.

José M. Asumendi - JPMorgan Securities Plc

Looking forward. Thank you very much.
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Tipo 1.6 MJT vs 308 1.5 BlueHDI

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4Ruote sam uvijek volio, iako sam na Vi sa talijanskim...kakve testove rade, kočenje sa 160 do 0 :D :-D
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kidney wrote:...
Za kraj malo o europskom tržištu:
José M. Asumendi - JPMorgan Securities Plc

Thanks very much. José, JPMorgan. I just want to come back to Europe where there is clearly some progress in terms of EBIT margins, but I think you're lagging peers. It looks to me like (00:54:00) dedicated to the region and you're selling in excess of 1.3 million units. So what is the plan going forward with the next quarter? Is there anything you can do short-term to improve the product mix in the region or outsource production to (00:54:17)? Yes, any comments on that please. Thanks so much.

Sergio Marchionne - Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV

Yes. By the way, outsourcing production to other manufacturers is not a short-term measure. If you're running a pizza joint, you can do it quickly. I can't do it on the car side. But, look, I think we need to wait until June 1. By the way, you were very nice and generous when you said that we are underperforming our peers and the answer is, yes. At least, not all of them, there's at least one guy who's doing a tremendous job and we're envious of what he's done (00:54:51). I think we've carried out some pretty extensive analysis internally about where our shortcomings are and I think the objective in the plan that we're going to launch for 2022 is to effectively make up that difference and move this business into a different place. We've done, I think a decent job of moving in thus far. I don't think we did enough to get it in the right place, hopefully it will become evident on June 1 and then the final step in the repositioning of EMEA is crucial. There were a couple of comments that were made by a couple of you guys in connection with the 2022 plan, I think in particular vis-à-vis EMEA.

And this I will tackle head-on when we get together on June 1. Of all the issues that we need to deal with strategically, as geographic areas, EMEA is the one that presents the highest level of complexity and certainly the biggest challenge because of the regulatory framework within which we're operating. And I think anything that we do, vis-à-vis 2022, has to take that issue into account and that needs to be the single largest driver of the repositioning of the business. Because ignoring that issue apart from the financial consequences of fines, penalties, noncompliance, et cetera, which are very onerous and which are, I mean it needs to be avoided like the Black Plague. There are some fundamental consequences associated with product and positioning of the brands that we need to address. And a large portion of the time that we spend crafting the 2022 plan has been devoted to that issue.

And by the way, when I look at the economics, and I look at return on invested time, forget about invested capital, return on invested time and the effort that's required to make EMEA reasonably profitable, not excessively profitable, but reasonably profitable, one would have to wonder why one is doing it, because it is fraught with difficulty, it is an incredibly complex jigsaw puzzle. And I think we've got a pretty good idea of what we want to get done. It will become much clearer when we get together on June 1 as to why the choices that we made are what they are, because I think the consequences of taking anything else would really be a huge disturbance in terms of the 2022 objective. So, bear with us, we'll talk about this on June 1.

José M. Asumendi - JPMorgan Securities Plc

Looking forward. Thank you very much.
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Puno priče o svemu, sem o novim modelima za evropsko tržište. Marchionne govori kao da će propisi o emisiji štetnih plinova do 2022-e, postajati sve blaži, a ne sve rigorozniji.

A i dalje na ovoj listi (ova je svježa, od 26.04.), nema niti jednog Fiata, Alfe, Maseratija, ili Jeepa:

https://www.adac.de/infotestrat/umwelt- ... fault.aspx
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Seawolf wrote: Puno priče o svemu, sem o novim modelima za evropsko tržište. Marchionne govori kao da će propisi o emisiji štetnih plinova do 2022-e, postajati sve blaži, a ne sve rigorozniji.

A i dalje na ovoj listi (ova je svježa, od 26.04.), nema niti jednog Fiata, Alfe, Maseratija, ili Jeepa:

https://www.adac.de/infotestrat/umwelt- ... fault.aspx
Ne znam što je ta lista tako bitna. Kada bude vrijeme motori će doći u ponudu. Ja ne vidim gdje je on dao dojam da će propisi biti sve blaži. Uostalom rekao je da će 1. lipnja dati detaljne planove za nove motore i plan elektrifikacije.

Sergio je rekao da će motori dolaziti u potrebno vrijeme. Znači tek kada je nešto nužno ponuditi da se zadovolji regulativa motor dolazi. Nema trošenja resursa uzalud.

Što se tiče europskog tržišta. Očito da ne donosi veliki profit. Veliki rizik, jako puno resursa, ogroman CAPEX, za osrednje prinose.
Očito da je jednostavniji njima otići na preko 10% margine profita u SAD-u i Južnoj Americi. Puno manje rizika. Tako da su njegove odluke logične.
Većina europskih brandova i grupacija nema tu komociju sa ne-premium brandovima. Uglavnom su te margine od preko 10% rezervirane za premium brandove.

Neke stvari sa marketinške strane kod FCA mi neće biti jasne. Bio je protekli tjedan simpozij u Beču. FCA za EMEA regiju je tu prezentirala novi Global Small Engine (GSE) sa 3 i 4 cilindra i turbom. O tome u javnosti ni slova. Dok sa druge strane se o VAG izlaganjima tamo nađe dosta informacija, pa makar i šturih.
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FCA ce kad tad doci glave ignorisanje evropskog trzista. Postace kao GM, pa ih u Evropi nece niko ni pratiti. Kako to izgleda, mogu da vide na primjeru centralne i istocne Evrope, gdje ima je prodaja na nivou statisticke greske ako izuzmemo privredni program i model 500 na pojedinim trzistima.

Ako GSE nece jos tokom ove godine ubaciti u 500, Pandu i Tipa, za evropsko trziste, nema potrebe ni da ih promovisu.
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Čitam na jednom forumu da je Fiat odlucio da osiromasi Tipa i to pozadi da idu doboš kočnice izuzev na 1.6 Mjet, skidaju jedan parking senzor i još neke sitnice. Ponavljaju istu grešku kao sa Stilom i Bravom (posebno je to vidljivo kod Stila iz 2001/2002 i Stila iz 2006/2007).
Umjesto da ga osavremene kako bi izdržao tržišnu utakmicu još godinu ili možda dvije, oni mu već sada "krešu krila".
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Pa možda krešu strateški, kako bi u na siromašnijim tržištima, bio još pristupačniji...sumnjam da to znači da će svi imati doboš i neće imati senzore...
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Prema pisanju sa FL foruma Srbije, slabiji modeli od 1.6 Mjet će pozadi imati doboše, a svi će imati jedan senzor za parkiranje manje. Dakle, umjesto 4, ići će na 3 senzora.
Da li je istina vidjećemo.
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Zadnjih dana su velike rotacije menadžment u FCA, tehnički dio je isto jako aktivan

Roberto Fedeli dosadašnji CTO Alfe i Maseratia je glavni u novom globalnom Odjelu za inovacije.
Fedeli je imao kratki boravak u BMW-u, a prije toga je radio za Ferrari.

Joe Grace novi šef razvoja za Alfu i Maserati. On je do sada bio glavni odgovorni za globalne arhitekture u FCA.

Njegovo mjesto je preuzeo Tom Cowing.
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johntra wrote:Pa možda krešu strateški, kako bi u na siromašnijim tržištima, bio još pristupačniji...sumnjam da to znači da će svi imati doboš i neće imati senzore...
Koliko znam to ovisi o tržištu. Talijanu su recimo dobili ne baš malo povećanje cijene i neke opcije se sada za Lounge nadoplaćuju. :lol:
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kidney wrote:Zadnjih dana su velike rotacije menadžment u FCA, tehnički dio je isto jako aktivan

Roberto Fedeli dosadašnji CTO Alfe i Maseratia je glavni u novom globalnom Odjelu za inovacije.
Fedeli je imao kratki boravak u BMW-u, a prije toga je radio za Ferrari.

Joe Grace novi šef razvoja za Alfu i Maserati. On je do sada bio glavni odgovorni za globalne arhitekture u FCA.

Njegovo mjesto je preuzeo Tom Cowing.
Dobro ili lose?
Na nekoj fb FCA Worls News (Brasil) stranici izasao tekst, o koliko mogu da razumijem, saradnji FCA i Tesle.
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ElRe wrote: Dobro ili lose?
Na nekoj fb FCA Worls News (Brasil) stranici izasao tekst, o koliko mogu da razumijem, saradnji FCA i Tesle.
Ne znam ja što je Sergio rekao. Ne vjerujem ništa. Zašto? Nakon pregledanih raznih javno dostupnih snimki, pročitanih transkripta. Znam da čak i tada novinari znaju izvrnuti vijesti. Evo sada već legendarna prodaja Alfe se javila i prošle godine jer je novinar tako rekao. Ili je barem spin off bio u pitanju. Što je Sergio opet opovrgao prije 10-ak dana.

E taj Sergiov odgovor prije 10 dana. Izlazak sljedećeg Grand Cherokeea 2020. Zatim što Giorgio odnosno što je razvoj u Alfi kod motora i platforme značio za cijelu grupu.

I sada je Joe Grace šef razvoje modela Alfe i Maseratia. Amerikanac, nekada radio na 300C kao Program Manager. Između ostaloga je radio i ovo:
http://www.autopareri.com/uploads/month ... 482ae4.png

Tako da mislim kako je on više ruka koja će povezati razvoj američkih i talijanskih modela. Velikih modela, modela E i F segmenta. Posao će uglavnom raditi Talijani, a Ameri prilagođavati sebi. Naravno Talijani moraju ostaviti mogućnost da se tehnička osnova što jeftinije i sa što manje izmjena prilagodi američkim proizvodima.

Naravno mogu biti u krivu no logika mi to govori.
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Službena potrošnja Wranglera sa 2.0 turbom i 48V mild hybrid sustavom:
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Ogromna razlike u gradu. A kombinirano je razlika taman 3 litre na 100 kilometara.
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Kidni sta ce nam biti sa Lančom?
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Koga brige za tu marku. Izgubila je smisao ima prije više od 20 godina. Alfa je atraktivnija, poželjnija. Stvar je da već godinama Lanciu kupuje malo tko van Italije. Još se najviše u Lanciu kunu oni koji nikad ne bi kupili Talijana.
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kidney wrote:Službena potrošnja Wranglera sa 2.0 turbom i 48V mild hybrid sustavom:
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Ogromna razlike u gradu. A kombinirano je razlika taman 3 litre na 100 kilometara.
Od kombinovane ukupne snage od 201 kW, koliko je od elektromotora?
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Seawolf wrote: Od kombinovane ukupne snage od 201 kW, koliko je od elektromotora?

Ovo je P0 mild hybrid isto kao kod Mercedesa sa 2.0 motorom. Snaga je uvijek kod svih deklarirana isključivo za motor sa unutrašnjim sagorijevanjem.
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kidney wrote:
Seawolf wrote: Od kombinovane ukupne snage od 201 kW, koliko je od elektromotora?
Ovo je P0 mild hybrid isto kao kod Mercedesa sa 2.0 motorom. Snaga je uvijek kod svih deklarirana isključivo za motor sa unutrašnjim sagorijevanjem.
Kod Mercedesa se deklariše snaga SUS motora i snaga elektromotora:

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Je li certificiran u SAD-u kod EPA-e i koje su tamo brojke?

One gore su brojke od EPA-e. Web stranica je od EPA-e.

https://www.epa.gov/
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kidney wrote:Koga brige za tu marku. Izgubila je smisao ima prije više od 20 godina. Alfa je atraktivnija, poželjnija. Stvar je da već godinama Lanciu kupuje malo tko van Italije. Još se najviše u Lanciu kunu oni koji nikad ne bi kupili Talijana.
Sramotan stav za istinskog ljubitelja talijanskih vozila :-) ali dobro nisam te pitao za licno misljenje, nego vidim upoznat si sa desavanjima u FCO pa ako znas sta da napises. Hvala.
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Čitam upravo.

Nakon 33 godine zamjena za FIRE u Europi.

FCA je na Motor Symposium u Beču pokazala nove GSE motore. GSE T3(1.0) sa maksimalnom snagom 120 Ks uz 190 Nm, odnosno GSE T4 (1.33 sa maksimalnom snagom 180 KS uz 270 Nm. Oba imaju GDI na 200 bara, 4 ventila po cilindru, i MultiAir 2. generacije. Masa za manji je 91 kg, a za veći 110 kg.
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ElRe
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#4199 Re: FIAT KONZUMENTI

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GSE T4 bi trebali da ubace u socijalnu Giuliu.
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#4200 Re: FIAT KONZUMENTI

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Ne vidim smisao u Giuliji. Motor neće pojeftiniti izradu. Ionako je 2.0 200 KS cijene kao 2.2 150 KS ako su oba automatik.

Premijera bi trebala biti ove godine u 500X i Renegade faceliftu.

Ovo su samo prve verzije. Imaju mono-scroll turbo. Već su na ovom simpoziju iz FCA najavili verzije sa twin-scroll turbom, pretpostavljam za Alfu u C segmentu.
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