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dezurni_ucenik wrote:E jebi ga sad,poenta je u tome da im se ne moze dici pa stavljali oni jod u govna ,nije bitno.

Bosanac sa dna kace wrote:

dezurni_ucenik wrote:E jebi ga sad,poenta je u tome da im se ne moze dici pa stavljali oni jod u govna ,nije bitno.

Nije peonta u tome da se ne more dignut 1-2, poenta je u tome kakve to sve efekte ima, kratkoročne, dugoročne, sporedne itd. I imaju li na to pravo po našem zakonu?

dezurni_ucenik wrote:

Bosanac sa dna kace wrote:

dezurni_ucenik wrote:E jebi ga sad,poenta je u tome da im se ne moze dici pa stavljali oni jod u govna ,nije bitno.

Nije peonta u tome da se ne more dignut 1-2, poenta je u tome kakve to sve efekte ima, kratkoročne, dugoročne, sporedne itd. I imaju li na to pravo po našem zakonu?

To jel imaju pravo,to ne znam jer je rijec o staroj urbanoj legendi.Pa zato pitam,imali istine

Ridjobrki wrote:Raja, ja veze nemam o čemu vi pričate... Može neko pojašnjenje za nas sa crno-bijelim televizorima?

Bosanac sa dna kace wrote:

Ridjobrki wrote:Raja, ja veze nemam o čemu vi pričate... Može neko pojašnjenje za nas sa crno-bijelim televizorima?

KOji te dio zanima?

Ridjobrki wrote:

Bosanac sa dna kace wrote:

Ridjobrki wrote:Raja, ja veze nemam o čemu vi pričate... Može neko pojašnjenje za nas sa crno-bijelim televizorima?

KOji te dio zanima?

Ko s kim, gdje, šta, kada i protiv koga. Šta odjednom Stambol, ovo-ono... Čekaću reprizu emisije da uhavizam o čemu je riječ.

Ridjobrki wrote:

Bosanac sa dna kace wrote:

Ridjobrki wrote:Raja, ja veze nemam o čemu vi pričate... Može neko pojašnjenje za nas sa crno-bijelim televizorima?

KOji te dio zanima?

Ko s kim, gdje, šta, kada i protiv koga. Šta odjednom Stambol, ovo-ono... Čekaću reprizu emisije da uhavizam o čemu je riječ.

svjezi_ustipak wrote:Ja pregledah cijeli intervju. Nista lika ne skontah, niti sto je taj Hizmet los niti sta oni ovdje imaju i koga imaju. Jedino skontah da ih on nesto ne gotivi i da ce se on boriti protiv njih dok je ziv.

Sta je lose fakat u izgradnji skola, obdanista i bolnica? Valjda sto ovi nasi nemaju tala u tome, jedino mi to pada napamet.

MMM1977 wrote:Ovaj Kaplan je baš blesav. Ništa on nije rekao novog, niti bilo čega senzacionalnog, ali način iznošenja je tipično kafanski. Ko li njega postavi za ministra.

I kad smo već kod kafana, od mojih zadnjih 5 odlazaka u iste u 4 slučaja je i dotični bio u istim. Ministar nam pravi kafanski cova.

Boston and the CIA ‘Snafu’: The grey eminence behind Turkey’s Erdogan and the AKP

by F. William Engdahl

In the first part, geopolitical analyst William Engdahl discussed the role of CIA’s Graham Fuller in creating the policy of using angry Jihadist Muslims as trained terrorists in Afghanistan and elsewhere against the Soviet Union. Herein—largely drawing on the revelations made by FBI whistle-blower Sibel Edwards—Engdahl throws the spotlight on the entire CIA-sponsored Islamic Jihadist operations run through Fetullah Gülen across Turkey into Central Asia and Russia and China.



Graham Fuller (foreground) and Turkish Muslim guru Fetullah Gülen who has dark ties to CIA and fanatical Jihadist groups worldwide.

The open press statement of denial by senior reportedly former CIA official Graham Fuller in April of a link between the Boston Bombings and the CIA, labeling the reports “absurd,” may go down in history as one of the worst intelligence blunders [1] in the past century. The public admission by Fuller, on a website reported tied to the CIA, of his relationship to the Uncle of the alleged but not ever convicted Boston bombers opened a can of worms the CIA might well wish never had been opened.

The public admission by Fuller, on a website reported tied to the CIA, of his relationship to the Uncle of the alleged but not ever convicted Boston bombers [2] opened a can of worms the CIA might well wish never had been opened.

A deeper look into Fuller’s role reveals him to be a key figure in what FBI whistle-blower Sibel Edmonds terms American Deep State rogues. Edmonds worked as an FBI translator from Turkish, Azerbaijani and Farsi languages during and after September 11, 2001 when she uncovered damning email and other evidence of criminal networks linking the actors of 9/11, drug networks out of Turkey and terrorists in and around Al Qaeda together with senior Pentagon and other US Government officials. [3]

Fuller, A Deep State Rogue

As later identified, among the people uncovered by Edmonds’ translation efforts at FBI were notorious neoconservative Richard Perle, Iraq war architect who headed Bush’s Defense Policy Board advisory committee in 2001; Douglas Feith, neocon Under-Secretary of Defense under Bush-Cheney; Anwar Yusuf Turani [4], key figure in the anti-Beijing Uygur separatist operations under the name East Turkistan National Freedom Center in Washington DC. East Turkistan is their name for China’s Xinjiang Province where Uygur riots took place several years ago. Turani modestly calls himself President-in-exile, East Turkistan (Xinjiang), though it’s by no means clear who if anyone elected him.



Whistleblower Sibel Edwards has revealed extraordinary information on the U.S. government’s support for international terrorist networks and organised crime. She was described as "the most gagged person in the history of the United States" by the American Civil Liberties Union.


In her classified translations Edmonds discovered that a criminal network had penetrated the highest levels of the US Government including Pentagon and FBI, and were engaged in illegal sales of weapons, including nuclear, of drugs and more. Criminal activities were being protected by claims of State Secrets, she asserted. Repeated attempts to call attention inside the FBI to what she was convinced was a conspiracy against the United States from within came to no avail. Her gripping account to bring attention to an alarming rogue network inside Washington is the subject of her autobiography, Classified Woman – The Sibel Edmonds Story. [5]

Attorney General John Ashcroft went all the way to the Supreme Court to muzzle her under a little-used Doctrine of State Secrets. Edmonds, suffering under an unprecedented Bush Administration gag order, was banned from revealing the complicity of high-ranking US and Turkish figures uncovered by her and duly reported at FBI before she was fired in 2002 for “blowing the whistle.” She partly got around the Government gag by posting photos with no comment on her website. Others filled in the names. [6]

Graham Fuller was one of the 21 American Deep State rogues Edmonds posted.

In 1995, according to investigative journalist Daniel Hopsicker, the uncle of the alleged Boston bombers, Ruslan Tsarnaev, “incorporated the Congress of Chechen International Organizations in Maryland, using as the address listed on incorporation documents 11114 Whisperwood Lane, in Rockville Maryland, the home address of his then-father-in-law.” [7] Father-in-law was Graham Fuller whose daughter was married to Uncle Ruslan.

Chechnya, an autonomous province of Russia deeply involved in oil pipelines from the Caspian Sea, has been the scene of Islamic jihad terrorists since the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. In 1995 when Uncle Ruslan founded the Congress of Chechen International Organizations from Graham Fuller’s home, the Islamist Jihad terror war against Moscow was raging full-force in Chechnya. Putin and Russian intelligence have repeatedly claimed the terrorism was being fed from outside.

As more is coming out on the role of Fuller, the evidence points to the conclusion that the Chechnya terrorists were also a project bearing the footprints of the “former” CIA political Islam expert, Graham Fuller. By 1988 Fuller had formally moved from a very senior post at CIA to the neo-conservative think tank, RAND Corporation, where he officially worked on the “Middle East, Central Asia, South and Southeast Asia, and problems of ethnicity and religion.” [8]

While at RAND Fuller played a key role gaining asylum for a Turkish national in the USA. Fetullah Gülen, a Turkish national who was forced to flee in 1999 and seek asylum, won his US residence permit due to the intervention of two senior CIA or former men. One was Graham E. Fuller. [9]

Foreign Policy Journal describes the role of Fuller and the CIA in getting indicted Turkish fugitive Gülen asylum in the USA: “Fethullah Gülen became a green card holder despite serious opposition from FBI and from Homeland Security Department. Former CIA officers (formally and informally) such as Graham Fuller and Morton Abromovitz were some of the prominent references in Gülen’s green card application.” [10]


Jihad Spreads to Central Asia

From his new luxurious heavily-guarded estate in Saylorsburg, a remote part of eastern Pennsylvania, Gülen launched a series of fundamentalist Salafist mosques and madrasses, not only in his native Turkey where he was the alleged power behind Turkey’s AKP regime of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, himself a product of Gülen’s schools, but across the Islamic regions of Central Asia as they separated from the Soviet Union in the chaos after 1991. [11]

According to Edmonds, an authority on the subject, “US Islamization Operations in Central Asia via Gülen started in late 1997, early 1998. That brings me to …Graham Fuller.” [12]


Fethullah Gulen, lives in Pennsylvania. From there he runs a $25 billion international network. He is tied to hundreds of Gulen charter schools in the United States itself, 36 of which are located in Texas alone.

A memoir by former head of Turkish intelligence, Osman Nuri Gundes, claims that Fethullah Gülen’s worldwide Islamic movement based in Pennsylvania has been providing cover for the CIA since the mid-1990s, and that in the 90s, the movement “sheltered 130 CIA agents” at its schools in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan alone. [13]

Gülen schools in Russian Chechnya and Dagestan regions, both locations of fanatical Jihadists since 1991, were ultimately banned by Putin. The Russian government has banned all Gülen schools and the activities of the Gülen-linked Nurcu sect in Russia. Over 20 Turkish followers of Gülen were deported from Russia in 2002-2004. In 1999 Uzbekistan closed all Gülen’s Madrasas and shortly afterward arrested eight journalists who were graduates of Gülen schools, and found them guilty of setting up an illegal religious group and of involvement in an extremist organization. In Turkmenistan, government authorities placed Gülen’s schools under close klix and have ordered them to scrap the history of religion from curriculums. [14]

Responsible Turkish journalists I’ve met with relate that Gülen-loyal police tied to Edrogan’s AKP have infiltrated the Turkish police, intelligence services and other key state institution and are systematically arresting, purging or silencing all nationalist military, trade union and other secular figues opposed to creation of an Islamic Sharia state in Turkey, uprooting ninety or more years of Kemalist legal foundations. More than one hundred Turkish journalists have been arrested for writing critically about the actions of Gülen’s AKP.

Gülen’s public profile is as a humble, deeply spiritual Imam of love and brotherhood. His record in practice is anything but. Gülen once stated, “You must move in the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence, until you reach all the power centers, until the conditions are ripe." Sounds a bit like Lenin in the old days. Certain networks in Washington including people in and around Fuller obviously have no problem with that.

Why would the CIA and US agencies want Central Asia? As Obama adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, notes in his now-famous book, The Grand Chessboard, “For America, the chief geopolitical prize is Eurasia...America’s global primacy is directly dependent on how long and how effectively its preponderance on the Eurasian continent is sustained…It follows that America’s primary interest is to help ensure that no single power comes to control this geopolitical space and that the global community has unhindered financial and economic access to it."

Washington has used Turkey and the AKP fundamentalist networks of Gülen to wreak havoc across the post-communist oil and mineral-rich regions of Central Asia. Graham Fuller’s foot prints are all over those covert operations as are Fetullah Gülen’s. In 2008 Fuller published a book titled, “The New Turkish Republic: Turkey as a Pivotal State in the Muslim World.” As Sibel Edmonds describes, the process involved using Turkey with assistance from ’actors from Pakistan, and Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia’ as a proxy, which in turn used Bin Laden and the Taliban and others as a proxy terrorist army before 9/11. [15]

Edmonds notes regarding US operations in Central Asia, “This started more than a decade-long illegal, covert operation in Central Asia by a small group in the US intent on furthering the oil industry and the Military Industrial Complex, using Turkish operatives, Saudi partners and Pakistani allies, furthering this objective in the name of Islam.” [16]


Her middle name suggests a reference to her father’s CIA posting in Turkey.

What did Uncle Ruslan Tsarnaev, uncle of the Boston alleged bombers do when he was married to Graham Fuller’s daughter? Ruslan worked for companies connected to Halliburton, doing oil deals in the Caucasus and as “consultant” for the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) in the former Soviet Republic of Kazakhstan. Russia barred USAID from its soil in late 2012, alleging USAID together with CIA was attempting to influence the internal political processes in the country. [17]

Some are beginning to ask whether the Boston bombing might have been a deception operation carried out by the Rogues associated with Graham Fuller and the network within the CIA and Pentagon, to make it appear Putin was behind the ghastly events. In any case, when Graham Fuller went to the press to publicly denounce CIA links to the Tsarnaevs he made what is likely to go down as one of the greatest snafus in US intelligence history. He lost his cool, and with it, has put the spotlight on the entire CIA-sponsored Islamic Jihadist operations run through Fetullah Gülen across Turkey into Central Asia and Russia and China.

F. William Engdahl



[1] Laura Rozen, "Former CIA officer: ‘Absurd’ to link uncle of Boston suspects," Agency, Back-Channel Al-Monitor, April 27, 2013.

[2] Laura Rozen, "Former CIA officer: ‘Absurd’ to link uncle of Boston suspects, Agency," Back-Channel Al-Monitor, April 27, 2013.

[3] Daniel Hopsicker, "Boston bombers’ uncle married daughter of top CIA official," April 26, 2013.

[4] See "The Government-in-Exile of East Turkistan Republic"

[5] Sibel Edmonds, Classified Woman – The Sibel Edmonds Story, First Edition, 2012.

[6] Sibel Edmonds, "Sibel Edmonds’ State Secrets Privilege Gallery."

[7] Daniel Hopsicker, Op. Cit.

[8] 2006 Campagna-Kerven Lecture Series, Speaker Bio - GRAHAM E. FULLER.

[9] Emine Dilek, "The Tale of Uncle Tsarnaev CIA Chief Graham Fuller and a Turkish Islamist Who Lives in USA," progressivepress.net, April 27, 2013.

[10] Sibel Edmonds, "Turkish Intel Chief Exposes CIA Operations via Islamic Group in Central Asia," boilingfrogspost.com, January 6, 2011.

[11] Pelin Turgut, The Turkish Imam and His Global Educational Mission, Time, April 26, 2010.

[12] Sibel Edmonds, Op Cit.

[13] Ibid.

[14] Ibid.

[15] Sibel Edmonds, cited in "The Turkish Lobby, the Neocons, and the Crusade to Free the Ergenekon Terrorists," rastibini.blogspot.de, December 15, 2008.

[16] Luke Ryland, "Court Documents Shed Light on CIA Illegal Operations in Central Asia Using Islam and Madrassas," lukery.blogspot.de, July 10, 2008.

[17] Emine Dilek, Op. Cit.

It_is_a_Leclerc wrote:
Salmir Kaplan koji je nekad studirao u Turskoj upozorava Erdogana na opasnost od čovjeka s kojim je Erdogan dugo godina sarađivao i s kojim se polako razilazi u posmatranju vizije turske države.
Sve to ovaj ćosavi SDA-ovac dopunjuje šizofreničnim ispadima, urotama bjelosvjetskim, masonima, džidžama, madžama i ostalim baždama.

Umjesto da cijelu emisiju posveti Džumhuru, koji je njegov resor, oni razglabaju o Erdoganu i nekakvom Hizmetu ...

Koja je ovo bijeda od države, to je strašno.