Šapat wrote:I jope malo o etnicitetu i naciji...hajde sta fali.
Ja se ne bih slozio s tobom Behavac. Pazi nesto...ranije navedoh direktan licni primjer te etnicko-nacionalne perfidnosti kojom nas pokusavaju strpati u jedan od "vazecih" torova.
Evo i da ukratko ponovim - na fakultetu ti se pod nos stavi kamara papira da popunis, a najednom od njih stoji rubrika "Narodnost", dok je na drugom rubrika "Nacionalnost". Kako bi ti, po tvojoj formuli, ovo popunio?
Sinoc gledam Dusku i Posteno, i nazalost shvatih da cak i ljudi koji ispred imena imaju i dr. i mr. i prof. i ne znam ni ja sta, u stvari takodjer brkaju pojmove i ni sami nisu sigurni sta je sta u BiH. Cas spominju "nacionalno pitanje", a u sljedecoj recenici kazu "narodi BiH", podvodeci sve to pod isto. A isto nije niti moze biti. Ni u BiH niti bilo gdje drugo.
A Dino Mustafic je pri kraju rekao najbolju stvar - mi pod hitno moramo poceti pricati o bosanskohercegovackoj naciji, tj. naciji Bosanaca i Hercegovaca.
Sto se Hercegovine tice, i ja stalno govorim Bosna, a podrazumijevam i Hercegovinu naravno. Nego predugo za tipkanje brate...
Pa ne bi se opet ni ja potpuno slozio sa tobom.
Bez obzira na sve ne mislim da nacionalnost ima apsolutno jedno znacenje.
Praksa pokazuje drugacije a i definicija.
Evo kako je to na wikipedi-i:
"A nation is a human cultural and social community. In as much as most members never meet each other, yet feel a common bond, it may be considered an imagined community. One of the most influential doctrines in Western Europe and the Western hemisphere since the late eighteenth century is that all humans are divided into groups called nations.[1] Nationhood is an ethical and philosophical doctrine and is the starting point for the ideology of nationalism; a nation is a form of self-defined cultural and social community.[2] Members of a "nation" share a common identity, and usually a common origin, in the sense of history, ancestry, parentage or descent. A nation extends across generations, and includes the dead as full members. Past events are framed in this context: for example, by referring to "our soldiers" in conflicts which took place hundreds of years ago. More vaguely, nations are assumed to include future generations.
Though "nation" is also commonly used in informal discourse as a synonym for state or country, a nation is not identical to a state. The people of a nation-state consider themselves a nation, united in the political and legal structure of the State. While traditionally monocultural, a nation-state may also be multicultural in its self-definition. The term nation is often used as a synonym for ethnic group (sometimes "ethnos"), but although ethnicity is now one of the most important aspects of cultural or social identity, people with the same ethnic origin may live in different nation-states and be treated as members of separate nations for that reason. National identity is often disputed, down to the level of the individual.
Almost all nations are associated with a specific territory, the national homeland. Some live in a historical diaspora, that is, "scattered" or "sown"[3] outside the national homeland. A state which explicitly identifies as the homeland of a particular nation is a nation-state, and most modern states fall into this category, although there may be violent disputes about their legitimacy. Where territory is disputed between nations, the claims may be based on theory called Urrecht, in which history is brought to bear to legitimise present occupancy: Phoenicianism and Zionism are two such historicised nation-building doctrines. National founding myths are etiological legends that when examined in historical contexts are found to answer quite specific issues, which generated them.[4] Especially in Canada the term "First Nations" is used for groups which share an aboriginal culture, and have or seek official recognition or autonomy."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation
Tako da i ovdje je na prvom mjestu upravo definicija nacije kao etnicke grupe a tek poslije je receno da moze znaciti i pripadnost drzavi ali sa nekim specificnostima.
Sjedi, 1.
)ako se nisi utorio !
Dobrodošao u klub nas koji ovo zagovaramo godinama
