No, to nas ne zanima...

[ahuseino]

Ljudi vratimo se na ekonomiju. Kako imate vremena da se prepirete oko gluposti?
Nego, ima li ko kakav noviji link o ovoj krizi,izjave kakvih pametnih ekonomista isl?

evo, frishko iskopano o "eco-kreditnoj" krizi:

WE WILL NEED TWO PLANETS BY 2030 - BBC

World is facing a natural resources crisis worse than financial crunch - Guardian

World is facing a natural resources crisis worse than financial crunch

• Two planets need by 2030 at this rate, warns report
• Humans using 30% more resources than sustainable

The world is heading for an "ecological credit crunch" far worse than the current financial crisis because humans are over-using the natural resources of the planet, an international study warns today.

The Living Planet report calculates that humans are using 30% more resources than the Earth can replenish each year, which is leading to deforestation, degraded soils, polluted air and water, and dramatic declines in numbers of fish and other species. As a result, we are running up an ecological debt of $4tr (£2.5tr) to $4.5tr every year - double the estimated losses made by the world's financial institutions as a result of the credit crisis - say the report's authors, led by the conservation group WWF, formerly the World Wildlife Fund. The figure is based on a UN report which calculated the economic value of services provided by ecosystems destroyed annually, such as diminished rainfall for crops or reduced flood protection.

The problem is also getting worse as populations and consumption keep growing faster than technology finds new ways of expanding what can be produced from the natural world. This had led the report to predict that by 2030, if nothing changes, mankind would need two planets to sustain its lifestyle. "The recent downturn in the global economy is a stark reminder of the consequences of living beyond our means," says James Leape, WWF International's director general. "But the possibility of financial recession pales in comparison to the looming ecological credit crunch."

The report continues: "We have only one planet. Its capacity to support a thriving diversity of species, humans included, is large but fundamentally limited. When human demand on this capacity exceeds what is available - when we surpass ecological limits - we erode the health of the Earth's living systems. Ultimately this loss threatens human well-being." Speaking yesterday in London, the report's authors also called for politicians to mount a huge international response in line with the multibillion-dollar rescue plan for the economy. "They now need to turn their collective action to a far more pressing concern and that's the survival of all life on planet Earth," said Chief Emeka Anyaoku, the president of WWF International.

Izvor: Guardian


potrebne su nam dvije planete za 2030. godinu ako nastavimo ovakvim tempom potrosnje...

trazili ste kapitalizam... kompulsivni potrosaci koji ostro brane ovaj sistem (pretezno USA stanovnici), sada cemo svi placati vase spiritualno zadovoljstvo materijalnog karaktera (razumijemo se iako recenica naoko nema smisla)...

sada kada se ukljucuje i Kina, tek sada nastaje kriza...


neka vas, eto vam... birajte Obamu da promijeni svijet...

meschini da si pogrijeshio temu... Obamica je na drugoj

ozbiljno ba, previshe si pesimistichan... sjebajesh me.

[ljubav_aha]

potrebne su nam dvije planete za 2030. godinu ako nastavimo ovakvim tempom potrosnje...

trazili ste kapitalizam... kompulsivni potrosaci koji ostro brane ovaj sistem (pretezno USA stanovnici), sada cemo svi placati vase spiritualno zadovoljstvo materijalnog karaktera (razumijemo se iako recenica naoko nema smisla)...

sada kada se ukljucuje i Kina, tek sada nastaje kriza...


neka vas, eto vam... birajte Obamu da promijeni svijet...

meschini da si pogrijeshio temu... Obamica je na drugoj

ozbiljno ba, previshe si pesimistichan... sjebajesh me.

[_veleposlanik]

ozbiljno ba, previshe si pesimistichan... sjebajesh me.

dobro, izvinjavam se. evo da ispravim:

Amerika otkrila novu planetu poput nase blizu naseg Suncevog sistema, i usput takodjer razvila najnoviji "space shuttle" kojim se lahko moze doci do iste. za 2030. godinu, imacemo dvije planete!

[_veleposlanik]

mnogi ce ovo shvatiti kao zajebanciju (steta sto je na engleskom...), ali ustvari ovo je najbolji opis finansijske-kreditne krize, vjerovatno od svih objasnjenja koja imamo priliku cuti danas:

[ljubav_aha]

mnogi ce ovo shvatiti kao zajebanciju (steta sto je na engleskom...), ali ustvari ovo je najbolji opis finansijske-kreditne krize, vjerovatno od svih objasnjenja koja imamo priliku cuti danas:

a,to ti citas "new england republican"

evo jos spotova na linku,samo za tebe

http://www.nerepublican.com/index.php/t ... ge-crisis/

[ahuseino]

mnogi ce ovo shvatiti kao zajebanciju (steta sto je na engleskom...), ali ustvari ovo je najbolji opis finansijske-kreditne krize, vjerovatno od svih objasnjenja koja imamo priliku cuti danas:

Smijesno je pravo, samo sto nisu "objasnili" nista o Credit Default Swaps - koje su pravi grm u kojem lezi zec i chine rizik od 50 triliona (u odnosu na 10 triliona MBSa - o chemu jesu prichali)...

[_veleposlanik]

Uvod iz e-knjige Tragedy and Hope - A History of the World in Our Time autora DR. CARROLL QUIGLEY, koji je bio, izmedju ostalih djelatnosti, mentor Bill Clintona na Univerzitetu:

"...[T]he powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. this system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations....

"It must not be felt that these heads of the world's chief central banks were themselves substantive powers in world finance. They were not. Rather, they were the technicians and agents of the dominant investment bankers of their own countries, who had raised them up and were perfectly capable of throwing them down. The substantive financial powers of the world were in the hands of these investment bankers (also called 'international' or 'merchant' bankers) who remained largely behind the scenes in their own unincorporated private banks. These formed a system of international cooperation and national dominance which was more private, more powerful, and more secret than that of their agents in the central banks. this dominance of investment bankers was based on their control over the flows of credit and investment funds in their own countries and throughout the world. They could dominate the financial and industrial systems of their own countries by their influence over the flow of current funds though bank loans, the discount rate, and the re-discounting of commercial debts; they could dominate governments by their own control over current government loans and the play of the international exchanges. Almost all of this power was exercised by the personal influence and prestige of men who had demonstrated their ability in the past to bring off successful financial coupes, to keep their word, to remain cool in a crisis, and to share their winning opportunities with their associates."

I could hardly believe what I was reading. I sat in the bookstore and read until closing time. I then bought the book and went home where I read almost all night. For the next twenty-five years I traveled throughout the United States, Europe and the Middle East following one lead after another to determine if the incredible words of the professor were really true. While serving as the Editor of a scholarly journal on international affairs, Director of the Center for Global Studies and foreign policy advisor for a key U. S. Senator in Washington, D. C., I conducted over 1000 interviews with influential world leaders, government officials, military generals, intelligence officers, scholars and businessmen, including corporate CEOs and prominent international bankers and investment bankers. I went through over 25,000 books and over 50,000 documents. I learned for myself that the professor was telling the truth.

Uvod/komentar: Michael L. Chadwick


Prevod prvi pasus:

"Moc finansijskog kapitalizma je imala drugi cilj daljeg dometa, nista manje od kreiranja svjetskog finansijskog sistema u privatnim rukama dovoljno sposobim za dominaciju politickog sistema svake zemlje i svjetske ekonomije u cjelini. Ovakav sistem bi bio kontrolisan na feudalni nacin od strane centralnih banaka svijeta, djelujuci koordinirano putem tajnih dogovora nastalih ucestalim privatnim mitinzima i konferencijama. Vrhunac sistema bi bila "Bank for International Settlements" u Baselu - Svicarska, privatna banka vlasnistva i pod nadzorom svjetskih centralnih banaka, koje su same od sebe privatne korporacije..."



Sve ostalo je, dragi ljudi, demagogija i ignorancija!

[ahuseino]

Ja se nadam da ti ne chitash poeziju bukvalno @Veleposlaniche...

[_veleposlanik]

Ja se nadam da ti ne chitash poeziju bukvalno @Veleposlaniche...

ocekivao sam elaboriraniji odgovor - koji razumijem da je tesko, post kroz post dati - medjutim, zavisno od koje poezije govoris, svasta se moze procitati izmedju redova...

a sada, sta mislis o ovom djelu? nisam procitao svega par stranica meni je dovoljno da uvezem s onim sto znam. uzmi koliko hoces vremena, procitaj cijelu knjigu ako treba pa mi daj odgovor. ili po tebi nije validan ni ovaj izvor, odnosno knjigu je napisao neki profesor koji samo hoce da nas "teoreticare" drzi u zabuni?

[kEN0]

gdje su postovi a?

[_veleposlanik]

chekamo da ahuseino da svoje misljenje na prethodni komentar....

salim se, valjda sada sve znamo pa nema se sta vise komentirati...

a evo jos jedan, na svakoj temi, za svaki slucaj, da se ne propusti:



FINANCIAL TIMES

And now for a world government
By Gideon Rachman

Published: December 8 2008 19:13 | Last updated: December 8 2008 19:13


I have never believed that there is a secret United Nations plot to take over the US. I have never seen black helicopters hovering in the sky above Montana. But, for the first time in my life, I think the formation of some sort of world government is plausible.

A “world government” would involve much more than co-operation between nations. It would be an entity with state-like characteristics, backed by a body of laws. The European Union has already set up a continental government for 27 countries, which could be a model. The EU has a supreme court, a currency, thousands of pages of law, a large civil service and the ability to deploy military force.

So could the European model go global? There are three reasons for thinking that it might.

First, it is increasingly clear that the most difficult issues facing national governments are international in nature: there is global warming, a global financial crisis and a “global war on terror”. moja nota: sve troje lazne i/ili vjestacki kreirane

Second, it could be done. The transport and communications revolutions have shrunk the world so that, as Geoffrey Blainey, an eminent Australian historian, has written: “For the first time in human history, world government of some sort is now possible.” Mr Blainey foresees an attempt to form a world government at some point in the next two centuries, which is an unusually long time horizon for the average newspaper column.

But – the third point – a change in the political atmosphere suggests that “global governance” could come much sooner than that. The financial crisis and climate change are pushing national governments towards global solutions, even in countries such as China and the US that are traditionally fierce guardians of national sovereignty.

Barack Obama, America’s president-in-waiting, does not share the Bush administration’s disdain for international agreements and treaties. In his book, The Audacity of Hope, he argued that: “When the world’s sole superpower willingly restrains its power and abides by internationally agreed-upon standards of conduct, it sends a message that these are rules worth following.” The importance that Mr Obama attaches to the UN is shown by the fact that he has appointed Susan Rice, one of his closest aides, as America’s ambassador to the UN, and given her a seat in the cabinet.

A taste of the ideas doing the rounds in Obama circles is offered by a recent report from the Managing Global Insecurity project, whose small US advisory group includes John Podesta, the man heading Mr Obama’s transition team and Strobe Talbott, the president of the Brookings Institution, from which Ms Rice has just emerged.

The MGI report argues for the creation of a UN high commissioner for counter-terrorist activity, a legally binding climate-change agreement negotiated under the auspices of the UN and the creation of a 50,000-strong UN peacekeeping force. Once countries had pledged troops to this reserve army, the UN would have first call upon them.

These are the kind of ideas that get people reaching for their rifles in America’s talk-radio heartland. Aware of the political sensitivity of its ideas, the MGI report opts for soothing language. It emphasises the need for American leadership and uses the term, “responsible sovereignty” – when calling for international co-operation – rather than the more radical-sounding phrase favoured in Europe, “shared sovereignty”. It also talks about “global governance” rather than world government.

But some European thinkers think that they recognise what is going on. Jacques Attali, an adviser to President Nicolas Sarkozy of France, argues that: “Global governance is just a euphemism for global government.” As far as he is concerned, some form of global government cannot come too soon. Mr Attali believes that the “core of the international financial crisis is that we have global financial markets and no global rule of law”.

So, it seems, everything is in place. For the first time since homo sapiens began to doodle on cave walls, there is an argument, an opportunity and a means to make serious steps towards a world government.

But let us not get carried away. While it seems feasible that some sort of world government might emerge over the next century, any push for “global governance” in the here and now will be a painful, slow process.

There are good and bad reasons for this. The bad reason is a lack of will and determination on the part of national, political leaders who – while they might like to talk about “a planet in peril” – are ultimately still much more focused on their next election, at home.

But this “problem” also hints at a more welcome reason why making progress on global governance will be slow sledding. Even in the EU – the heartland of law-based international government – the idea remains unpopular. The EU has suffered a series of humiliating defeats in referendums, when plans for “ever closer union” have been referred to the voters. In general, the Union has progressed fastest when far-reaching deals have been agreed by technocrats and politicians – and then pushed through without direct reference to the voters. International governance tends to be effective, only when it is anti-democratic.

The world’s most pressing political problems may indeed be international in nature, but the average citizen’s political identity remains stubbornly local. Until somebody cracks this problem, that plan for world government may have to stay locked away in a safe at the UN.

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[frolac]

Evo dodje i taj februar, ima li tih koncentracionih logora u AmeriKi kako neko nekad napisa?

[Bodkin]

trebali su u septembru pa u novembru.mozda sad kad je Obama na vlasti...

[ahuseino]

Ne znam jeli Veleposlanik stvarno samo banovan ili su ga odveli u konc. logor vech.

[ePegasus]

..

[nonca]

jojjjjjjjj potonuca danas kod DAX i Dow Jones,,,jos malo pa ce bit krvav ekran kao u petak

ode sve u p.m.

[Utokkha]

'Where's Dookie?'
'DOOOOKIE, PICK UP THE PHONE'
'AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA'
'WAZZAAAAAAA'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq8Uc5BFogE