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pasha078 wrote:

jeza u ledja wrote:Posto sad ponovo gledam rezultate, koji jos nisu konacni, cini se da je Jill Stein definitivno odigrala ulovu Ralpha Nadera i odnjela pobjedu Clintonovoj. U sve 3 kljucne drzave razlika izmedju Trump i Clinton je bila manja od glasova koje je dobila Stein.

U Wisconsinu, razlika izmedju Trumpa i Clinton je 23k glasova, Stein je dobila 31k.
U Michiganu, razlika izmedju Trump i Clinton je 11k glasova, Stein je dobila 51k.
U Pennsylvaniji, razlika je 44k, Stein je dobila 50k glasova.

Sa ove 3 drzave pobjednik bi bila Clinton.

Da li treba napomenuti kakve ce posljedice po sporazume o klimatskim promjenama i regulacije naftne i ugljene industrije imati cinjenica da je na celu drzave Trump, a ne Clinton?

Prije 16 godina, da nije bilo Nadera, predsjednik bi bio Gore, covjek koji je poslije svoj rad posvetio aktivizmu za zastitu planete od globalnog zagrijavanja, i ucinio vise na popularizaciji problema nego svi Nader ili njegova strankica.

Ovo samo sto se tice problema u vezi ekologije.
Da ne govorimo naravno da rata u Iraku vjerovatno ne bi bilo, a sa tim ni bar pola od problema koji su nastali kao direktna posljedica toga.

Good job Greens, good job!! You've done it again.

Sa tobom sam ja raspravljao ovo proljetos kad sam podrzavao Bernija i rekao sam ti da dosta Bernijevaca nece izaci na glasanje sto bi moglo kostati HRC Bijele Kuce. Naravno, tada su se mainstream demokrate poput tebe smijale.....
Elem, prestani sa kukanjem, nije hakovanje, nije FBI, nije Jill.... HRC je jednostavno suck kao kandidat.....i nadam se da cete vi demsi sada nauciti nesto iz ovog svega

jeza u ledja wrote:Ih jebote od kad je ovaj post

Moja poenta je bila u tome da je tesko razgraniciti izmedju opasnih i bezopasnih sa EU ili UK pasosem, ako ne postoji viza koja se rijesi unaprijed.

They're blaming the loss on everything, from sexism of Bernie supporters to Russia to fake news to everyone who voted against them being stupid. The left finally got an klix populist that talked about klix real issues like trade deals, stopping monopolies and putting term limits on Congress, and what did the DNC do? They crushed him to continue the failed policies of the liberal establishment.

They have abandoned their core principles. What passes for "liberal" today in America has almost nothing to do with classic liberalism (individual rights, freedom of thought/speech...etc). The great liberal tradition that rejects regressive dogmatic ideologies and which is compassionate to the working class stiffs that build the country is now gone. The left-wing movement in this country, at least going back the last 20 years or so, hasn't really been one of left-wing economics or individualistic free thinking, or using government to improve the lives of the working and middle classes. What's passed for left-wing politics in this country is really just identity politics: promising to give various handouts to some identifiable minority group (blacks, women, illegal immigrants, lgbt...etc).

Democrats, have completely and utterly lost touch with the common man, whose concerns used to be at the very center of the political left.

Today that electrician stringing up wires of homes in Wisconsin, that welder putting together steel plates in Pennsylvania, that man fixing an elevator in Ohio, the many men across the country with dirt under their nails from working with their hands....these aren't your people anymore.
Instead you are now the party of the gender studies graduate with manicured nails, lecturing others about the evil racist sexist America, telling the struggling white working class that they hold white privilege and therefore hold an eternal debt to all non-white people based purely on the color of their skin.

The DNC is the the party of those who go absolutely nuts when a Christian baker doesn't want to be forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding, yet instantly jumps in to defend insanely backwards ideologies like Islam when yet another Muslim mass murders innocent homosexuals.

It is the party of collusion with media to mislead the public, of corruption and saying nice empty platitudes that have been filtered through 5 focus groups as to not offend anyone while doing the very opposite of these platitudes.

It is the party of Black Lives Matter, the oppression Olympics, of 20 different gender pronouns, virtue signalling and all the noxious ideas like "social justice" that claim that all difference in outcome must be due to some etheral discrimination, and that places the collectivist forced equality of outcome over the rights of an individual.

It is the party of the smug air of moral superiority, of ivory tower attitudes holding contempt and instantly discounting the views of regular people that don't hold a degree studying Critical Theory or the works of Juddith Butler.

And what has this disconnect lead to? The following:

- Republicans have won a majority in the House of Representatives, with 238 seats.
- Republicans have won the majority in the Senate.
- Republicans now hold 33 Governorships, with a gain of three seats on November 8.
- Republicans control a record 68 of 98 state legislative chambers.
- Republicans now hold more total state legislature seats, well over 4,100 of the 7,383, than they have since 1920
- A former reality TV star with no government experience whatsoever won the White House.

President Trump will have one Supreme Court vacancy to fill immediately and could potentially add at least two more justices before his first term is finished.

The GOP now controls all levels of our government, it is the most powerful it has been in over 80 years according to Real Clear Politics and Washington Post.

Come the midterms in 2018, the electorate map looks really good for the GOP and they could easily win enough seats to pass the threshold needed for them to start changing the Constitution completely unopposed.

You could have prevented this. You could have kicked out the out of touch elitists and candidates that can't connect with the average person, you could have listened to the common man instead you treated them like utter garbage, with the insufferable arrogance of guilt tripping and shaming everyone who disagrees with your identity politics nonsense.

You made this bed.

And god damn do you deserve to now sleep in it.

jeza u ledja wrote:Posto sad ponovo gledam rezultate, koji jos nisu konacni, cini se da je Jill Stein definitivno odigrala ulovu Ralpha Nadera i odnjela pobjedu Clintonovoj. U sve 3 kljucne drzave razlika izmedju Trump i Clinton je bila manja od glasova koje je dobila Stein.

U Wisconsinu, razlika izmedju Trumpa i Clinton je 23k glasova, Stein je dobila 31k.
U Michiganu, razlika izmedju Trump i Clinton je 11k glasova, Stein je dobila 51k.
U Pennsylvaniji, razlika je 44k, Stein je dobila 50k glasova.

Sa ove 3 drzave pobjednik bi bila Clinton.

Da li treba napomenuti kakve ce posljedice po sporazume o klimatskim promjenama i regulacije naftne i ugljene industrije imati cinjenica da je na celu drzave Trump, a ne Clinton?

Prije 16 godina, da nije bilo Nadera, predsjednik bi bio Gore, covjek koji je poslije svoj rad posvetio aktivizmu za zastitu planete od globalnog zagrijavanja, i ucinio vise na popularizaciji problema nego svi Nader ili njegova strankica.

Ovo samo sto se tice problema u vezi ekologije.
Da ne govorimo naravno da rata u Iraku vjerovatno ne bi bilo, a sa tim ni bar pola od problema koji su nastali kao direktna posljedica toga.

Good job Greens, good job!! You've done it again.

Pandakonda wrote:Možda najbolje objašnjenje što su Demokrati izgubili:

They're blaming the loss on everything, from sexism of Bernie supporters to Russia to fake news to everyone who voted against them being stupid. The left finally got an klix populist that talked about klix real issues like trade deals, stopping monopolies and putting term limits on Congress, and what did the DNC do? They crushed him to continue the failed policies of the liberal establishment.

They have abandoned their core principles. What passes for "liberal" today in America has almost nothing to do with classic liberalism (individual rights, freedom of thought/speech...etc). The great liberal tradition that rejects regressive dogmatic ideologies and which is compassionate to the working class stiffs that build the country is now gone. The left-wing movement in this country, at least going back the last 20 years or so, hasn't really been one of left-wing economics or individualistic free thinking, or using government to improve the lives of the working and middle classes. What's passed for left-wing politics in this country is really just identity politics: promising to give various handouts to some identifiable minority group (blacks, women, illegal immigrants, lgbt...etc).

Democrats, have completely and utterly lost touch with the common man, whose concerns used to be at the very center of the political left.

Today that electrician stringing up wires of homes in Wisconsin, that welder putting together steel plates in Pennsylvania, that man fixing an elevator in Ohio, the many men across the country with dirt under their nails from working with their hands....these aren't your people anymore.
Instead you are now the party of the gender studies graduate with manicured nails, lecturing others about the evil racist sexist America, telling the struggling white working class that they hold white privilege and therefore hold an eternal debt to all non-white people based purely on the color of their skin.

The DNC is the the party of those who go absolutely nuts when a Christian baker doesn't want to be forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding, yet instantly jumps in to defend insanely backwards ideologies like Islam when yet another Muslim mass murders innocent homosexuals.

It is the party of collusion with media to mislead the public, of corruption and saying nice empty platitudes that have been filtered through 5 focus groups as to not offend anyone while doing the very opposite of these platitudes.

It is the party of Black Lives Matter, the oppression Olympics, of 20 different gender pronouns, virtue signalling and all the noxious ideas like "social justice" that claim that all difference in outcome must be due to some etheral discrimination, and that places the collectivist forced equality of outcome over the rights of an individual.

It is the party of the smug air of moral superiority, of ivory tower attitudes holding contempt and instantly discounting the views of regular people that don't hold a degree studying Critical Theory or the works of Juddith Butler.

And what has this disconnect lead to? The following:

- Republicans have won a majority in the House of Representatives, with 238 seats.
- Republicans have won the majority in the Senate.
- Republicans now hold 33 Governorships, with a gain of three seats on November 8.
- Republicans control a record 68 of 98 state legislative chambers.
- Republicans now hold more total state legislature seats, well over 4,100 of the 7,383, than they have since 1920
- A former reality TV star with no government experience whatsoever won the White House.

President Trump will have one Supreme Court vacancy to fill immediately and could potentially add at least two more justices before his first term is finished.

The GOP now controls all levels of our government, it is the most powerful it has been in over 80 years according to Real Clear Politics and Washington Post.

Come the midterms in 2018, the electorate map looks really good for the GOP and they could easily win enough seats to pass the threshold needed for them to start changing the Constitution completely unopposed.

You could have prevented this. You could have kicked out the out of touch elitists and candidates that can't connect with the average person, you could have listened to the common man instead you treated them like utter garbage, with the insufferable arrogance of guilt tripping and shaming everyone who disagrees with your identity politics nonsense.

You made this bed.

And god damn do you deserve to now sleep in it.

omar little wrote:od rebublikanaca su mi gori samo nadobudni liberali.

pasha078 wrote:
Sa tobom sam ja raspravljao ovo proljetos kad sam podrzavao Bernija i rekao sam ti da dosta Bernijevaca nece izaci na glasanje sto bi moglo kostati HRC Bijele Kuce. Naravno, tada su se mainstream demokrate poput tebe smijale.....

pasha078 wrote:Anyhow, argument koji iznosis nije bas promisljen i sto je jos gore, anti-demokratski. Nije HRC izgubila zbog zelenih. Veeeeliko if preko kojeg precutno prelazis je pretpostavka da u odsustvu zelenih ti bi glasovi otisli HRC. Da li ti je ikad palo na pamet da su ti glasaci 'ultra-left' i da u tom slucaju ne bi ni glasali za presidential ticket?

pasha078 wrote: No sve i da jeste, ako HRC zaista ima program koji rezonira medju glasacima, ne bi joj zasmetao greens.

pasha078 wrote: Pa zaboga tu su bili libertarians, koji bi teoretski imao slicnu funkciju kao Jill u odnosu na Trumpa!!

pasha078 wrote: Male partije su odraz demokratije jer predstavljaju politicki prosvjed nas koji se ne slazemo ni sa dems ni sa reps. Ko si sad ti da kazes da mi nemamo pravo na politicku reprezentaciju?

pasha078 wrote: Elem, prestani sa kukanjem, nije hakovanje, nije FBI, nije Jill.... HRC je jednostavno suck kao kandidat.....i nadam se da cete vi demsi sada nauciti nesto iz ovog svega

jeza u ledja wrote: Da ti razrijesim dilemu, nijedan od kandidata me ne impresionira. Za Republikance sumnjam da bih ikad glasao, ne samo sad nego inace. Za Demokrate cu glasati za bilo kog ko na kraju uzme, a trenutno sam undecided i ne moram odluciti jer ne glasam na primaries. Da je tu Biden glasao bih za njega. On je bio moj favorit i 2008e. Ako Sanders uzme primaries zabrinuto cu ga zaokruziti. Ako Clintonova uzme, nju cu zaokruziti sa gadjenjem.

jefferson wrote: Mislim da mi je ona odvratnija od Trumpa. Majke mi, veceg prevaranta na politickoj sceni nema.

On one hand, more attention to the economic and health
challenges of rural and small-city Rustbelt America could be welcome, especially if it focuses on the right things: realism about current economic trends, adjustment to change, improving rural education and skills training, and enhancing linkages to nearby metropolitan centers. However, Trump’s promises to “bring back” the coal economy and “bring back” millions of manufacturing jobs (that now don’t exist thanks to automation) don’t speak wisely to real-world trends in low-output America. They look backwards and speak instead to local frustrations.

jeza u ledja wrote:
Cuj prestani sa kukanjem? Kukace cijeli svijet ba naredne 4 godine.

jeza u ledja wrote:...

raoul duke wrote:Gdje mi je jez

pasha078 wrote:

belfy wrote:

jeza u ledja wrote:...

meni je zaista smijesno ovo tvoje obrusavanje na zelene povodom gubitka Hillary... ako je ona vec bila bolji izbor, zar nije trebala ubijediti i taj dio glasaca da im je bolje da nju izaberu umjesto Jill, a zbog Trumpa? sve to sto ti sada pricas pada u one "general poslije bitke". s tim da mislim da ti fokus nije na pravoj strani. niti su glasaci zelenih mogli znati rezultat izbora, niti ih je ko ubijedio da je glas za Hillary bolji. nisu valjda trebali sami sebe ubjedjivati da je glas za ovog-glas protiv onog... smijesno je sto ti optuzujes ljude koji su glasali na osnovu ponudjenog. da se neko pametan nasao ispricati ovako kako ti pokusavas "nakon bitke" mozda bi drugacije razmisljali i glasali. "da je pamet do kadije, kao od kadije..."

Problem sa jezom je samo odraz krupnijeg problema sa demsima generalno. Ovo sad sto je on napricao, haman kao da je cut & paste spreha glavonja u dems vrhuski. Ja sam se nadao da ce ih ovako dramatican poraz natjerati da sagledaju stvarne razloge, ali cini se corak.
Dobro i za Ohio i za druge drzave ali vi ste izgubili Penn. koja nije otisla repsima od 80 i neke!!! I zeleni ti krivi???

Nista jezu i ostali, kao sto stara poslovica kaze, patnja je edukativna..... Sve sto si naucio sada je da su ti zeleni zasrali politcku igru. OK, bice 2018 pa ce i na midtermima biti pushiona, a ako ovakvu sprehu nastavite ocekujte Trumpov drugi mandat.

U principu ili dok se ne opametite ili dok progresivnom krilu ne doqurchi i formiraju novu partiju nakon cega su dems osudjeni na sporo i lagano krepavanje na otpadu istorije.

BTW za bernija, jeste kandidovao se kao dems ali sustina njegove poruke nije takva kao sto i sam znas.

belfy wrote:

jeza u ledja wrote:...

meni je zaista smijesno ovo tvoje obrusavanje na zelene povodom gubitka Hillary... ako je ona vec bila bolji izbor, zar nije trebala ubijediti i taj dio glasaca da im je bolje da nju izaberu umjesto Jill, a zbog Trumpa? sve to sto ti sada pricas pada u one "general poslije bitke". s tim da mislim da ti fokus nije na pravoj strani. niti su glasaci zelenih mogli znati rezultat izbora, niti ih je ko ubijedio da je glas za Hillary bolji. nisu valjda trebali sami sebe ubjedjivati da je glas za ovog-glas protiv onog... smijesno je sto ti optuzujes ljude koji su glasali na osnovu ponudjenog. da se neko pametan nasao ispricati ovako kako ti pokusavas "nakon bitke" mozda bi drugacije razmisljali i glasali. "da je pamet do kadije, kao od kadije..."

su valjda trebali sami sebe ubjedjivati da je glas za ovog-glas protiv onog...

jeza u ledja wrote:

belfy wrote:

jeza u ledja wrote:...

meni je zaista smijesno ovo tvoje obrusavanje na zelene povodom gubitka Hillary... ako je ona vec bila bolji izbor, zar nije trebala ubijediti i taj dio glasaca da im je bolje da nju izaberu umjesto Jill, a zbog Trumpa? sve to sto ti sada pricas pada u one "general poslije bitke". s tim da mislim da ti fokus nije na pravoj strani. niti su glasaci zelenih mogli znati rezultat izbora, niti ih je ko ubijedio da je glas za Hillary bolji. nisu valjda trebali sami sebe ubjedjivati da je glas za ovog-glas protiv onog... smijesno je sto ti optuzujes ljude koji su glasali na osnovu ponudjenog. da se neko pametan nasao ispricati ovako kako ti pokusavas "nakon bitke" mozda bi drugacije razmisljali i glasali. "da je pamet do kadije, kao od kadije..."

Nije mi fokus na Jill Stein, samo primjecujem konacan ishod rezultata.
Jill Stein nije "izbor" u pravom smislu rijeci. Ona nije ni "kandidat" u pravom smislu rijeci. Ona je protestna nota. Glasanjem za nju, ne glasas za potenijalnog predsjenika u vidu nje.

Objasnjavano je i prije bitke, over and over again. I naravno da je to problem Clinton i Dems, ali je svakako i problem glasaca Stein kao i nje same. Isto vazi i za umjerenije Trumpove glasace. Imas svoju sudbinu u svojim rukama. Ako mislis da je bitniji protest vote, nego klix vote - bujrum.. Eto sad mozes uzivati u 4 godine Trumpove vladavine, zato sto si "ti" odlucio da protestujes. Zato sto "tebe" demokratski kandidat nije uspio ubijediti. Nije jebiga bitno sta cujes i vidis. Bitno je da te nisu uspjeli ubijediti. To je ipak, ono najbitnije, jel.
Nista gore od nadobudnog liberala.

Ovo ne govorim nuzno tebi licno, ali eto uzeo za primjer.

I samo jos jednom da ovo izdvojim:

su valjda trebali sami sebe ubjedjivati da je glas za ovog-glas protiv onog...

NARAVNO da su fakin trebali!! Kakvo je ovo razmisljanje?
Razmisljas svojom glavom. Nece Clintonovoj nista faliti ako izgubi, ali TEBI hoce. Politika je umjetnost moguceg, ne tjeranje jebenog inata i izvoljevanje. Ti si taj koji treba da razmislja, jer se radi o tvojoj sudbini. Lako cemo za Clinton.

jefferson wrote:Danas u SAD ima 2.2 miliona ljudi koji su odlucili da napuste trziste rada jer "su izgubili svaku nadu da ce naci posao." u isto vrijeme 5.8 miliona radnih mjesta je nepopunjeno.