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#3926 Re: FIAT KONZUMENTI

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Seawolf wrote: Karoq sa 1.0 TSI 115 PS motorom je poručio neko iz moje obitelji, pa ću, kada stigne, izvjestiti kakav je.

Što se tiče 1.5 TSI, mislim da bi trebao biti sasvim O.K. Vidjet ćemo kakav će biti u usporedbi sa Renaultovim TCe 1.33 / Mercedesovim M 282, prema kojima, ipak, gajim veće simpatije.

Ono što mene zanima je kakav je Fiatov 1.4 MultiAir najveće snage 170 PS, koji se ugrađuje u ovdje danas puno spominjani Jeep Compass.

Koliko sam upratio, taj motor sa tim vanjskim performansama (170 PS) se ugrađuje još samo u Fiat 124 Spider, pa me jako interesuje kakav je u Compassu, sa 9-stepenim ZF automatikom i sa pogonom na sva 4 točka.
Znaš sam kakve je sve VAG imao problem sa prvom generacijom TSI/TFSI motora. Nema skoro sa kojim nije bio problem unutar 100 tisuća kilometara. I to mislim na ozbiljan problem.

Znam konkretno primjere sa 1.4 TSI twinchargerom. Znam i sa "običnim" TSI koji ima samo turbinu. Onaj od 125 KS u prošloj generaciji A3. Unutrar 100 000 km kvar od preko 1000 eura na motoru.

Problem 1.5 TSI sa 130 KS. 350 bara GDI kojega još nitko nije koristio na veliko serijskom motoru. I VTG na benzincu što nije uobičajeno.
Čini mi se na 150 KS varijanti da je twin-scroll.

Renault 1.3 TCe kao i stariji 1.2 koristi dosta scavenginga. Jako pametan rad dual VVT sutava. Nešto je Fiat grupacija koristila na 1750/1.8 TBi motoru. To je razvijano u suradnji sa Boschom. Uvjet je GDI i Dual VVT. Pegla se turbo rupa jako efikasno uz manju cijenu koštanja proizvodnje. Jer ne moraš imati VVL, twin scroll turbine, itd.

Što se Fiatovog 1.4 turbo MultiAir tiče on je vidio dosta upotrebe što sa 140 što sa 170 KS. Potonji je išao od Giuliette pa sve sada do Compassa. Padaju mi na pamet još MiTo, Renegade i 500X sa baš tom verzijom. MultiAir je jako osjetljiv na kakvoću ulja i to se mora paziti.

No Fiat sada povlači taj motor. Dolazi novi 1.3 ili točnije 1.33. To znači da ćemo vidjeti i novi 1.0 sa 3 clindra na toj bazi.
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Prave li još one multiair smijurije sa dva cilindra???? :mrgreen:
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Taj je otisao u povijest.
Zanimljivo je da je taj TwinAir ustvari prepolovljeni blok od 1750 poznat iz Giuliette QV.
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#3929 Re: FIAT KONZUMENTI

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konektovan wrote:Prave li još one multiair smijurije sa dva cilindra???? :mrgreen:
http://www.magazinauto.com/test-fiat-50 ... -pop-star/

:D
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Reče pregršt prostora u kabini:
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http://www.fiatpress.com/press/article/fiat-at-the-2018-geneva-international-motor-show

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  • The S-Design and Mirror families take to the stage in Geneva: Fiat's response to the latest requirements in terms of style, urban personality and connectivity.
  • World première of the new 124 Spider S-Design, the ideal vehicle for those who seek emotions under the open sky, a strong character and dynamic flair. It is joined by 500X and Tipo, also in S-Design trim.
  • Technology and style are the strengths of 500X Mirror, 500 Mirror and 500L Mirror: the UconnectTM infotainment system with Apple CarPlayTM integration and Android AutoTM compatibility, special technological blue livery and unique details.
  • Mirror is the first special series dedicated to the whole 500 family, the evolution of the Fiat icon that has seduced millions of motorists all over the world.
  • The special series have always been a unique feature of the Fiat brand, one of the keys to the success of many models across the Fiat range and above all, the secret behind the eternal youth of the iconic 500.
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#3932 Re: FIAT KONZUMENTI

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http://www.abarthpress.com/press/article/abarth-at-the-2018-geneva-international-motor-show

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  • Stealing the show will be the Abarth 124 GT, the new special edition with two personalities - unadulterated roadster thrills and a light-weight and safe technical top, the only one on the market to be entirely made of carbon fibre.
  • The Abarth 695 Rivale developed in partnership with Riva will be by its side, to witness the convergence of two excellences of Italy renown for care for detail and quest for speed.
  • Performance, technology and iconic Italian style are the key factors behind the steady global expansion of the brand with the Scorpion badge.
  • Circuit racing, rallying and young drivers in the Abarth 2018 competition season.
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http://www.jeeppress-europe.com/press/article/jeep-brand-at-the-2018-international-geneva-motor-show

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  • Two EMEA premières: the all-new Wrangler, the fourth generation of the legendary Jeep® icon; and the new 2019 Jeep Cherokee, the latest evolution of the most capable, mid-size SUV that made history in its category.
  • European debut of the new Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk, the most powerful Jeep SUV ever.
  • The three Jeep debutants will be revealed during the Jeep press conference at 10.15 am on Tuesday, March 6 at the Jeep stand (Hall 5). Live webcast available at the link jeepgeneva2018.jeeppress-europe.com
  • The new Jeep Compass "Night Eagle" special edition-model will be showcased along with the latest news in the Renegade and Grand Cherokee line-up.
  • Four Mopar-accessorised Jeep vehicles will be on display, including the new five-door Wrangler Sahara sporting a one-of-a-kind customization that enhances its off-road performance.
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#3934 Re: FIAT KONZUMENTI

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Kralju, bezveze postavljas ove linkove, niko ziv nece da cita o fiatu. Cak je i nadzornik popularniji sa kijom. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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:lol:

Ma neka novosti, Fiat je dobra firma. :thumbup:
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nesto gledam ovaj 124 i pitam se sta oni ponudise mazdi u zamjenu :zoka: :D

mescine 00 marijanovo :lol:
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#3937 Re: FIAT KONZUMENTI

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citroen xm wrote::lol:

Ma neka novosti, Fiat je dobra firma. :thumbup:
Ma šalim se. :mrgreen: :thumbup:
Bubreg me podsjeti na Amara kad se pojavio, samo Amar kosooke tušio danima bez prestanka.
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jebo li te amar :lol: ;-)
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#3939 Re: FIAT KONZUMENTI

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amar1994 wrote:jebo li te amar :lol: ;-)
Ne valja tako Amare starijim govoriti, pardon, pisati. :wink: :D
Bolje ti je obriši komentar, da te moderacija ne bi žikkkk. :mrgreen:
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

nisam pisao o strankama i sda , tkao da sam siguran :lol: :lol:
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amar1994 wrote:nesto gledam ovaj 124 i pitam se sta oni ponudise mazdi u zamjenu :zoka: :D

mescine 00 marijanovo :lol:
Hrđu :D :lol:
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#3942 Re: FIAT KONZUMENTI

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Romeo 80 wrote:
amar1994 wrote:nesto gledam ovaj 124 i pitam se sta oni ponudise mazdi u zamjenu :zoka: :D

mescine 00 marijanovo :lol:
Hrđu :D :lol:
:lol: :lol:
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konektovan wrote:Kralju, bezveze postavljas ove linkove, niko ziv nece da cita o fiatu. Cak je i nadzornik popularniji sa kijom. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Citali bi mi i o Citroenu,ali od izumiranja dinosaura nisu proizveli nista vrijedno spomena :oops: :D
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mali_milojica wrote:
konektovan wrote:Kralju, bezveze postavljas ove linkove, niko ziv nece da cita o fiatu. Cak je i nadzornik popularniji sa kijom. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Citali bi mi i o Citroenu,ali od izumiranja dinosaura nisu proizveli nista vrijedno spomena :oops: :D
Svoj ti pos'o milojko. :mrgreen:
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Da li se zna zasto ne uvode na trziste Evrope nove FF motore?
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#3946 Re: FIAT KONZUMENTI

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Na brzinu sam pregledao bazne verzije Compassa, Karoqa i Atece. Iako navijam za Compassa, Škoda je u baznoj verziji ima najbolji enterijer, ali je i nesto skuplja od Compassa

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/deta ... 9e4d7d5ea7

https://www.autoscout24.de/angebote/jee ... ?cldtidx=9

Compass jednostavno tjera kupca da se sto prije rijesi ove kombinacije displeja i rucne klime koja pristaje Dusteru ali ne i Jeepu i doplati za automatsku klimu i veci displej. Donji dio izgleda prazno i prejeftino sa komandama ručne klime. Volio bih znati da li je FCA analizirao da FWD SUV prepusti Fiatu i pozicionira ga izmedju Dustera i Kodiaqa. Dakle, pozicioniranje koje su napravili kod modela Tipo. Jeep bi se na taj način polako gurao prema premium segmentu, sposobnijim i skupljim vozilima, a Fiat bi imao jos jedan model u ponudi. Vidimo da Duster ima odlicnu prodaju i na trzistu mu ne postoji pravi konkurent kada se pogleda šta sve pruža, naravno uz svjesnost kompromisa koje diktira cijena.

Ne mogu da shvatim ko može da prežali 22k eura datih za Atecu :run:

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/deta ... 6887d17154
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#3947 Re: FIAT KONZUMENTI

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Lozi me ovaj 124.
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#3948 Re: FIAT KONZUMENTI

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Ako je to bazni Škoda Škartoc onda sam ja Supermen. :lol:

Jeep Compass još OK izgleda u baznoj izvedbi u usporedbi sa Atecom.
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#3949 Re: FIAT KONZUMENTI

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ElRe wrote:Da li se zna zasto ne uvode na trziste Evrope nove FF motore?
Koji su to motori?
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#3950 Re: FIAT KONZUMENTI

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Seawolf wrote:
ElRe wrote:Da li se zna zasto ne uvode na trziste Evrope nove FF motore?
Koji su to motori?
Za sada predstavljeni samo atmosferci. Krajem ove godine turbo. Atmosferci se zovu FireFly u Južnoj Americi. A cijela obitelj motora se zove GSE (Global Small Engine).


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