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salik79 wrote:
Sta sam potvrdio?! Konkretno, molit cu lijepo! General je ovo izjavio nakon "nogiranja" i "dolaska tobe", a ne ranije. Tacnije, nakon rata. ;-)
NPR, potvrdio si:
... Teherijanovom nevjerovatnom angazmanu, o vrhunskim instruktorima-borcima iz Irana i Libana (Hizbullah) i njihovom angazmanu na teritoriji BiH, u odbrani BiH
The evidence that the leadership of the ruling Party of Democratic Action (SDA), and consequently, the Sarajevo-based government, has long been motivated by the principles of radical Islam is inescapable.
...Istina je da nam je Iran organizovao i obavjestajno-sigurnosni aparat, kao sto je istina da su nam pruzili izuzetnu vojnu obuku
Iranian elements infiltrated the Bosnian government and established close ties with the current leadership in Bosnia and the next generation of leaders. Iranian Revolutionary Guards accompanied Iranian weapons into Bosnia and soon were integrated in the Bosnian military structure from top to bottom as well as operating in independent units throughout Bosnia. The Iranian intelligence service [intelligence service [VEVAK] ran wild through the area developing intelligence networks, setting up terrorist support systems, recruiting terrorist 'sleeper' agents and agents of influence, and insinuating itself with the Bosnian political leadership to a remarkable degree. The Iranians effectively annexed large portions of the Bosnian security apparatus [known as the Agency for Information and Documentation (AID)] to act as their intelligence and terrorist surrogates. This extended to the point of jointly planning terrorist activities. The Iranian embassy became the largest in Bosnia and its officers were given unparalleled privileges and access at every level of the Bosnian government."
I da jos jednom ponovim pitanje (citiram samoga sebe) sada kada sam te uputio da su ti instruktori i borci u u ratu djelovali u BiH, u nasim jedinicama:
General Merdan is a close associate of both Izetbegovic and Cengic; the central region around Zenica, which was "completely militarized in the first two years of the war" under the control of Merdan's mujahedin, is "under total control of the Cengic family.
zemal Merdan: "The office of Brig. Gen. Dzemal Merdan is an ornate affair, equipped with an elaborately carved wooden gazebo ringed with red velvet couches and slippers for his guests. A sheepskin prayer mat lies in the comer, pointing toward Mecca. The most striking thing in the chamber is a large flag. It is not the flag of Bosnia, but of Iran. Pinned with a button of the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, Iran's late Islamic leader, the flag occupies pride of place in Merdan's digs -- displayed in the middle of the gazebo for every visitor to see.
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Ukratko: "SAD, Njemačka i Turska ostali su gluhi. Pomoc Irana i Pakistana je bila vrlo konkretna, vrlo dragocjena i presudna za neke borbe u Bosni i Hercegovini."
General Haliloviic u nekim drugim intervjuima tvrdi (i ne samo on) i dosta drugacijih vidjenja...sto na koncu opet potvrdjuje da zapad nije bio sprema podrzavati Bosnjakistan predvodjen MOS-om.
Interesantno je da sve te drzave i danas su na drugoj strani od Irana...dok iran nije izasao iz (zvanicno) iz bosne, Turska nije usla...

"The most dubious of all Bosniac [i.e., Bosnian Muslim] claims pertains to the self-serving commercial that the government hopes to eventually establish a multiethnic liberal democratic society. Such ideals may appeal to a few members of Bosnia's ruling circles as well as to a generally secular populace, but President Izethbegovic and his cabal appear to harbor much different private intentions and goals."
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Kikibombona wrote:
Zasto FSA napada FSA? :-x :lol:
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zrakomlat wrote:
Kikibombona wrote:
Zasto FSA napada FSA? :-x :lol:
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Kikibombona wrote:
Co0l wrote: Polako bolan,sta si zapjenio.
I za mene su bagra.Komentar je upucen ruskom licemjerju i proklamovanoj borbi protiv ISIL-a.

A te sto ih spominjes, jesu li to oni sto su ljudi pisali da ih ima puno vise od par stotina ili cak desetina kako si ti svojevremeno tvrdio,ljudi postavljali slike njih sa zastavama sirijske revolucije prilikom odbrane Kobanija i kasnijih ofanziva a ti se smijo i piso kako su beznacajni a sad si odjednom iznenadjen odakle ih toliko ima?
Ovdje sam citirao njihovog komadanta koji kaze da imaju 200-300 vojnika u Kobaniju. Ne mogu se sada sjetiti. Navodno su imali 1 000, ali su vecinu raspustili, jer nisu imali logistiku za sve. Nakon Kobanija, Jaish Thawur se prosirio. Sada imaju po nekim procjenama 3 - 4 000 boraca u Rojavi. Nedavno sam postavljao klip sa 500 njihovih ljudi koji su frisko regrutovani. I Patak je postavio dosta dokaza o rastu grupe. Sada se ispostavlja da ih ima dosta u Alepu. To stvarno nisam znao.

Dakle, grupa konstantno raste tako sto regrutuju Arape na oslobodjenom teritoriju...

Ne znam sta ti nije jasno?
Jasno mi je da su svojevremeno bili upravu oni kojima si se smijao a koji su govorili da je njihova uloga puno veca a sto sadasnje cifre i potvrdjuju jer nisu s neba pali niti se pojavili preko noci.
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arman1 wrote:
Škobo Habu wrote:
arman1 wrote:Image
Niđe veze sa Sirijom. Napad talibana u Avganistanu.
Znaš li kome se kaže DROTE?
Znas kome kazu, Lafinasu :D
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Raja, ova i ona, haj ozbiljno sad da iz ove teme izbacimo sve što nema veze sa Sirijom i događajima tamo. I ja sam maloprije odgovarao sarajevoxxxxu on meni, svi svima, i sve je to bio off topic, ne bih volio da se ova tema zatvori, bez obzira što nekad zna biti preseravanja na njoj sa svake strane, a vjerovatno nebi ni ostali, jer je ovo već treća, i interes da o(p)stane je povelik. Dakle, ARBIH, iranska pomoć, braća Turci, ruska rezolucija i tako to, sve ima svoju temu. I ja sam oftopičio, ponese me, ali neću više, časna forumaška.
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zrakomlat wrote:Raja, ova i ona, haj ozbiljno sad da iz ove teme izbacimo sve što nema veze sa Sirijom i događajima tamo. I ja sam maloprije odgovarao sarajevoxxxxu on meni, svi svima, i sve je to bio off topic, ne bih volio da se ova tema zatvori, bez obzira što nekad zna biti preseravanja na njoj sa svake strane, a vjerovatno nebi ni ostali, jer je ovo već treća, i interes da o(p)stane je povelik. Dakle, ARBIH, iranska pomoć, braća Turci, ruska rezolucija i tako to, sve ima svoju temu. I ja sam oftopičio, ponese me, ali neću više, časna forumaška.
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#3858 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Oko 400 pripadnika SAA regruta se vratilo sa obuke u Iranu. Dio prključen tigrovim ljudima. Očekuje se povratak grupe koja je bila na specijalističkoj obuci u RF. Očito Sirijsci smatraju da im trebaju nova(bolja) znanja. Vidjet će mo efekte
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Samo neka primitivci ne psuju mater drugima zbog pisanja na temi i tema se nece zatvoriti :D
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#3860 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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General War wrote:
salik79 wrote:
Sta sam potvrdio?! Konkretno, molit cu lijepo! General je ovo izjavio nakon "nogiranja" i "dolaska tobe", a ne ranije. Tacnije, nakon rata. ;-)
NPR, potvrdio si:
... Teherijanovom nevjerovatnom angazmanu, o vrhunskim instruktorima-borcima iz Irana i Libana (Hizbullah) i njihovom angazmanu na teritoriji BiH, u odbrani BiH
The evidence that the leadership of the ruling Party of Democratic Action (SDA), and consequently, the Sarajevo-based government, has long been motivated by the principles of radical Islam is inescapable.
...Istina je da nam je Iran organizovao i obavjestajno-sigurnosni aparat, kao sto je istina da su nam pruzili izuzetnu vojnu obuku
Iranian elements infiltrated the Bosnian government and established close ties with the current leadership in Bosnia and the next generation of leaders. Iranian Revolutionary Guards accompanied Iranian weapons into Bosnia and soon were integrated in the Bosnian military structure from top to bottom as well as operating in independent units throughout Bosnia. The Iranian intelligence service [intelligence service [VEVAK] ran wild through the area developing intelligence networks, setting up terrorist support systems, recruiting terrorist 'sleeper' agents and agents of influence, and insinuating itself with the Bosnian political leadership to a remarkable degree. The Iranians effectively annexed large portions of the Bosnian security apparatus [known as the Agency for Information and Documentation (AID)] to act as their intelligence and terrorist surrogates. This extended to the point of jointly planning terrorist activities. The Iranian embassy became the largest in Bosnia and its officers were given unparalleled privileges and access at every level of the Bosnian government."
I da jos jednom ponovim pitanje (citiram samoga sebe) sada kada sam te uputio da su ti instruktori i borci u u ratu djelovali u BiH, u nasim jedinicama:
General Merdan is a close associate of both Izetbegovic and Cengic; the central region around Zenica, which was "completely militarized in the first two years of the war" under the control of Merdan's mujahedin, is "under total control of the Cengic family.
zemal Merdan: "The office of Brig. Gen. Dzemal Merdan is an ornate affair, equipped with an elaborately carved wooden gazebo ringed with red velvet couches and slippers for his guests. A sheepskin prayer mat lies in the comer, pointing toward Mecca. The most striking thing in the chamber is a large flag. It is not the flag of Bosnia, but of Iran. Pinned with a button of the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, Iran's late Islamic leader, the flag occupies pride of place in Merdan's digs -- displayed in the middle of the gazebo for every visitor to see.
-----------------------------------------------------
Ukratko: "SAD, Njemačka i Turska ostali su gluhi. Pomoc Irana i Pakistana je bila vrlo konkretna, vrlo dragocjena i presudna za neke borbe u Bosni i Hercegovini."
General Haliloviic u nekim drugim intervjuima tvrdi (i ne samo on) i dosta drugacijih vidjenja...sto na koncu opet potvrdjuje da zapad nije bio sprema podrzavati Bosnjakistan predvodjen MOS-om.
Interesantno je da sve te drzave i danas su na drugoj strani od Irana...dok iran nije izasao iz (zvanicno) iz bosne, Turska nije usla...

"The most dubious of all Bosniac [i.e., Bosnian Muslim] claims pertains to the self-serving commercial that the government hopes to eventually establish a multiethnic liberal democratic society. Such ideals may appeal to a few members of Bosnia's ruling circles as well as to a generally secular populace, but President Izethbegovic and his cabal appear to harbor much different private intentions and goals."

Pre, pre, prejaki izvori :D Uprkos svemu, ne nadjose niti jedan jedini trag zlocina ovih "radikala", dok od onih "manje radikalnih" koje oni "uvezose", uz sponzorstvo svojih BI partnera KSA, ne treba plaho ni traziti...Imas li sta od Fox-a?

Po pitanju generala Halilovica si se izofir'o samo tako. Ponovit cu jos jednom - pregledaj onaj kratki prilog i dobro poslusaj sta covjek veli!
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#3861 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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General War wrote:
salik79 wrote:
Sta sam potvrdio?! Konkretno, molit cu lijepo! General je ovo izjavio nakon "nogiranja" i "dolaska tobe", a ne ranije. Tacnije, nakon rata. ;-)
NPR, potvrdio si:
... Teherijanovom nevjerovatnom angazmanu, o vrhunskim instruktorima-borcima iz Irana i Libana (Hizbullah) i njihovom angazmanu na teritoriji BiH, u odbrani BiH
The evidence that the leadership of the ruling Party of Democratic Action (SDA), and consequently, the Sarajevo-based government, has long been motivated by the principles of radical Islam is inescapable.
...Istina je da nam je Iran organizovao i obavjestajno-sigurnosni aparat, kao sto je istina da su nam pruzili izuzetnu vojnu obuku
Iranian elements infiltrated the Bosnian government and established close ties with the current leadership in Bosnia and the next generation of leaders. Iranian Revolutionary Guards accompanied Iranian weapons into Bosnia and soon were integrated in the Bosnian military structure from top to bottom as well as operating in independent units throughout Bosnia. The Iranian intelligence service [intelligence service [VEVAK] ran wild through the area developing intelligence networks, setting up terrorist support systems, recruiting terrorist 'sleeper' agents and agents of influence, and insinuating itself with the Bosnian political leadership to a remarkable degree. The Iranians effectively annexed large portions of the Bosnian security apparatus [known as the Agency for Information and Documentation (AID)] to act as their intelligence and terrorist surrogates. This extended to the point of jointly planning terrorist activities. The Iranian embassy became the largest in Bosnia and its officers were given unparalleled privileges and access at every level of the Bosnian government."
I da jos jednom ponovim pitanje (citiram samoga sebe) sada kada sam te uputio da su ti instruktori i borci u u ratu djelovali u BiH, u nasim jedinicama:
General Merdan is a close associate of both Izetbegovic and Cengic; the central region around Zenica, which was "completely militarized in the first two years of the war" under the control of Merdan's mujahedin, is "under total control of the Cengic family.
zemal Merdan: "The office of Brig. Gen. Dzemal Merdan is an ornate affair, equipped with an elaborately carved wooden gazebo ringed with red velvet couches and slippers for his guests. A sheepskin prayer mat lies in the comer, pointing toward Mecca. The most striking thing in the chamber is a large flag. It is not the flag of Bosnia, but of Iran. Pinned with a button of the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, Iran's late Islamic leader, the flag occupies pride of place in Merdan's digs -- displayed in the middle of the gazebo for every visitor to see.
-----------------------------------------------------
Ukratko: "SAD, Njemačka i Turska ostali su gluhi. Pomoc Irana i Pakistana je bila vrlo konkretna, vrlo dragocjena i presudna za neke borbe u Bosni i Hercegovini."
General Haliloviic u nekim drugim intervjuima tvrdi (i ne samo on) i dosta drugacijih vidjenja...sto na koncu opet potvrdjuje da zapad nije bio sprema podrzavati Bosnjakistan predvodjen MOS-om.
Interesantno je da sve te drzave i danas su na drugoj strani od Irana...dok iran nije izasao iz (zvanicno) iz bosne, Turska nije usla...

"The most dubious of all Bosniac [i.e., Bosnian Muslim] claims pertains to the self-serving commercial that the government hopes to eventually establish a multiethnic liberal democratic society. Such ideals may appeal to a few members of Bosnia's ruling circles as well as to a generally secular populace, but President Izethbegovic and his cabal appear to harbor much different private intentions and goals."

Ovim postom si sebe diskvalifikovao u svakoj ozbiljnijoj diskusiji, s obzirom da citiras izvore koji su spin spina, izmisljeni su da prikriju sve ono sto je odavno ocito, a to je ko kontrolise, odnosno ko je kontrolisao Iran, npr. ili ko je taj ko je izmislio isis, isli ili kako im vec odgovara da zovu.

Izvinjavam se na prekidu nadasve plodne diskusije, i pracenju utakmice i kladjenja na ucesnike.
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Co0l wrote:Samo neka primitivci ne psuju mater drugima zbog pisanja na temi i tema se nece zatvoriti :D
"Nije halal opsovati, ali je halal preklati i ubiti."

E, kada se ovaj temeljni organgutanizam izbaci iz glave wanna-be ljudi, svijet će biti mnogo bolje mjesto za život.
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- Ruski vojni avion je narušio izraelski vazdušni prostor, ali nije bilo ishitrene reakcije sa izraelske strane:
Russia plane entered Israel control zone from Syria: minister

Jerusalem (AFP) - A Russian warplane recently entered Israeli-controlled airspace from Syria but the intrusion was resolved without incident, Israeli Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon said on Sunday.

Yaalon's comments come amid deep concern over the downing of a Russian warplane by Turkey, which claims it strayed over the Syrian border into its airspace and ignored repeated warnings to change course. Moscow denies the allegations.

"There was a slight intrusion a mile (1.6 kilometres) deep by a Russian plane from Syria into our airspace, but it was immediately resolved and the Russian plane returned towards Syria," Yaalon told public radio.

"It was apparently an error by the pilot who was flying near the Golan."
A što se tiče Turske... Od njih je traženo izvinjenje, Erdogan ga je jučer izrekao (izrazio žaljenje što je do toga došlo), jučerašnji dan je donio znatno reduciran prelazak izbjeglica i migranata na teritoriju Grčke, a danas su posmrtni ostaci likvidiranog pilota prebačeni u Tursku, pa za RF.

Ankara sada vuče poteze koji idu u pravcu deesksalacije sukoba, a sve uoči današnjeg Samita u Parizu.
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#3864 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Challenger__ wrote:
Co0l wrote:Samo neka primitivci ne psuju mater drugima zbog pisanja na temi i tema se nece zatvoriti :D
"Nije halal opsovati, ali je halal preklati i ubiti."

E, kada se ovaj temeljni organgutanizam izbaci iz glave wanna-be ljudi, svijet će biti mnogo bolje mjesto za život.
Pa kod tebe su se izgleda granice izmedju virtualnog i stvarnog zivota potpuno izbrisale.Da si slucaj,odavno znamo,ali bas toliko tezak... :-D
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Ma da. Jasno. Boli. I treba da boli.
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Challenger__ wrote:- Ruski vojni avion je narušio izraelski vazdušni prostor, ali nije bilo ishitrene reakcije sa izraelske strane:
Russia plane entered Israel control zone from Syria: minister

Jerusalem (AFP) - A Russian warplane recently entered Israeli-controlled airspace from Syria but the intrusion was resolved without incident, Israeli Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon said on Sunday.

Yaalon's comments come amid deep concern over the downing of a Russian warplane by Turkey, which claims it strayed over the Syrian border into its airspace and ignored repeated warnings to change course. Moscow denies the allegations.

"There was a slight intrusion a mile (1.6 kilometres) deep by a Russian plane from Syria into our airspace, but it was immediately resolved and the Russian plane returned towards Syria," Yaalon told public radio.

"It was apparently an error by the pilot who was flying near the Golan."
A što se tiče Turske... Od njih je traženo izvinjenje, Erdogan ga je jučer izrekao (izrazio žaljenje što je do toga došlo), jučerašnji dan je donio znatno reduciran prelazak izbjeglica i migranata na teritoriju Grčke, a danas su posmrtni ostaci likvidiranog pilota prebačeni u Tursku, pa za RF.

Ankara sada vuče poteze koji idu u pravcu deesksalacije sukoba, a sve uoči današnjeg Samita u Parizu.
Pa dogovorili se s Rusijom: mi nećemo dirati vas ako uđete u naš zračni prostor, vi nemojte nas kada zabombardujemo dopremanje oružja Hezbollahu iz Sirije.

Israeli-Russian understandings allow Russian jets to fly over Israeli air space and implicitly let the Israeli Air Force bomb weapons headed from Syria to Hezbollah in Lebanon, according to Amos Gilad, senior IDF Reserve officer and director of the Defense Minister’s political-security department.


http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breakin ... 015/11/28/
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#3867 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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direstraits0078 wrote:
General War wrote:
salik79 wrote:
Sta sam potvrdio?! Konkretno, molit cu lijepo! General je ovo izjavio nakon "nogiranja" i "dolaska tobe", a ne ranije. Tacnije, nakon rata. ;-)
NPR, potvrdio si:
... Teherijanovom nevjerovatnom angazmanu, o vrhunskim instruktorima-borcima iz Irana i Libana (Hizbullah) i njihovom angazmanu na teritoriji BiH, u odbrani BiH
The evidence that the leadership of the ruling Party of Democratic Action (SDA), and consequently, the Sarajevo-based government, has long been motivated by the principles of radical Islam is inescapable.
...Istina je da nam je Iran organizovao i obavjestajno-sigurnosni aparat, kao sto je istina da su nam pruzili izuzetnu vojnu obuku
Iranian elements infiltrated the Bosnian government and established close ties with the current leadership in Bosnia and the next generation of leaders. Iranian Revolutionary Guards accompanied Iranian weapons into Bosnia and soon were integrated in the Bosnian military structure from top to bottom as well as operating in independent units throughout Bosnia. The Iranian intelligence service [intelligence service [VEVAK] ran wild through the area developing intelligence networks, setting up terrorist support systems, recruiting terrorist 'sleeper' agents and agents of influence, and insinuating itself with the Bosnian political leadership to a remarkable degree. The Iranians effectively annexed large portions of the Bosnian security apparatus [known as the Agency for Information and Documentation (AID)] to act as their intelligence and terrorist surrogates. This extended to the point of jointly planning terrorist activities. The Iranian embassy became the largest in Bosnia and its officers were given unparalleled privileges and access at every level of the Bosnian government."
I da jos jednom ponovim pitanje (citiram samoga sebe) sada kada sam te uputio da su ti instruktori i borci u u ratu djelovali u BiH, u nasim jedinicama:
General Merdan is a close associate of both Izetbegovic and Cengic; the central region around Zenica, which was "completely militarized in the first two years of the war" under the control of Merdan's mujahedin, is "under total control of the Cengic family.
zemal Merdan: "The office of Brig. Gen. Dzemal Merdan is an ornate affair, equipped with an elaborately carved wooden gazebo ringed with red velvet couches and slippers for his guests. A sheepskin prayer mat lies in the comer, pointing toward Mecca. The most striking thing in the chamber is a large flag. It is not the flag of Bosnia, but of Iran. Pinned with a button of the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, Iran's late Islamic leader, the flag occupies pride of place in Merdan's digs -- displayed in the middle of the gazebo for every visitor to see.
-----------------------------------------------------
Ukratko: "SAD, Njemačka i Turska ostali su gluhi. Pomoc Irana i Pakistana je bila vrlo konkretna, vrlo dragocjena i presudna za neke borbe u Bosni i Hercegovini."
General Haliloviic u nekim drugim intervjuima tvrdi (i ne samo on) i dosta drugacijih vidjenja...sto na koncu opet potvrdjuje da zapad nije bio sprema podrzavati Bosnjakistan predvodjen MOS-om.
Interesantno je da sve te drzave i danas su na drugoj strani od Irana...dok iran nije izasao iz (zvanicno) iz bosne, Turska nije usla...

"The most dubious of all Bosniac [i.e., Bosnian Muslim] claims pertains to the self-serving commercial that the government hopes to eventually establish a multiethnic liberal democratic society. Such ideals may appeal to a few members of Bosnia's ruling circles as well as to a generally secular populace, but President Izethbegovic and his cabal appear to harbor much different private intentions and goals."

Ovim postom si sebe diskvalifikovao u svakoj ozbiljnijoj diskusiji, s obzirom da citiras izvore koji su spin spina, izmisljeni su da prikriju sve ono sto je odavno ocito, a to je ko kontrolise, odnosno ko je kontrolisao Iran, npr. ili ko je taj ko je izmislio isis, isli ili kako im vec odgovara da zovu.

Izvinjavam se na prekidu nadasve plodne diskusije, i pracenju utakmice i kladjenja na ucesnike.
Primjetio par postova unazad, ali ne pije vode. K'o pokvaren' mlin :D
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#3868 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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arzuhal wrote:Pa dogovorili se s Rusijom: mi nećemo dirati vas ako uđete u naš zračni prostor, vi nemojte nas kada zabombardujemo dopremanje oružja Hezbollahu iz Sirije.

Israeli-Russian understandings allow Russian jets to fly over Israeli air space and implicitly let the Israeli Air Force bomb weapons headed from Syria to Hezbollah in Lebanon, according to Amos Gilad, senior IDF Reserve officer and director of the Defense Minister’s political-security department.


http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breakin ... 015/11/28/

Nešto ne vidim da to špekulativno "pravo" koriste u zadnjih mjesec i po dana.
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#3869 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Kikibombona wrote:
DuckZz wrote:Što jest jest, pobunjenici su ovaj put ipak u pravu, ako izuzmemo napade na naselje Sheikh Masud, sve ostalo se može opravdati.
Savo i njegov advokat Cool negiraju i dovode u pitanje civilne zrtve u Sejh Maksudu.

A ko su pobunjenici u ovoj prici?
Jaish Thawur ili Nusra, Ahrar i dr. tzv. FSA grupe?
I otkud Jaish Thuwar u tolikom broju u provinciji Alep? :shock:

Šta je razlog sukoba?
Pobunjenici iz grada Azaz.
Grad je pod kontrolom lokalne samouprave (uglavnom kao i sve ostalo), a vojska ima sjedišta u ili oko njega (FSA i Ahrar Sham), dok Al Nusra ima uporište negdje u okolini.

Razlog za sukob je vrlo jednostavan. Ruska avijacija je po prvi put gađala Bab Hawa granični prijelaz sa Turskom, a nakon toga i grad Azaz i njegovu okolinu. Sad ovo nebi trebao biti razlog za međusobne sukobe da odmah nakon toga pripadnici SDF-a (Kurdsko-FSA koalicija) nisu zauzeli prazna sela koja su bila pod metom Ruskih napada (njih 3 ili 4), tj. sukoba nije bilo ali su se samo odjednom pojavili unutra.
Za pobunjenike iz Azaza, ovo je bila izdaja i agresija, po njima dogovoren plan između SDF-a i Ruske avijacije, jer u biti to je sasvim logično razmišljanje. Pripadnici SDF-a su znali da će ovakva reakcija vjerovatno uslijediti, kockali su se sa životom, i na njihovu žalost pobunjenici su maksimalno odreagovali.

Jaish Thuwar (za sebe kažu da su FSA) je grupa koja pripada SDF koaliciji, i oni su prvobitno zauzeli ta 3-4 sela, i sada se vodi sukobi između njih i drugih pobunjenika. Pripadnici YPG-a nemaju mnogo veze sa ovime, ali pošto su osnovali SDF koaliciju, pobunjenici su prvo njih optužili, pa onda sve ostale, zbog toga su gađali Sheikh Masud naseljele u gradu Aleppu.



Uglavnom, FSA grupe su zadužene za sjever Aleppa, i sve što se dešavalo u protekla 3 dana ide na njihov račun.

FSA je gađala Sheikh Masud naselje. Dokaz ?
Prvo su objavili dokument kako će gađati Sheikh Masud naselje kao odgovor na stradanje civila usljed dogovora između itd itd. spomenuo sam iznad.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CU1RHatUcAAcIjn.jpg
Evo snimak kako projektilima gađaju početak samog naselja.
Aktivista na početku snimka govori kako je "ovo odgovor na agresiju terorista PKK-a i njihovih sluga na sjeveru Aleppa".



FSA je povratila sela u okolini Azaza, i da to ne bude dovoljno, pripadnici Jaish Thuwara su otišli i iz onih sela koja su prvobitno bila pod njihovom kontrolom, a sada više nisu. Pobunjenici su sada usljed zauzimanja nove teritorije udaljeni 5km od grada Afrina, uporište Kurda.
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.52 ... 1&z=13&m=b
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Govor jednog od lidera FSA (u provinciji Aleppo) , dezerter Major Jaser Abdul.
Nalaze se u zauzetim selima i govori kako će "uvijek ovako odgovoriti kada teroristi PKK i njihove sluge izvrše agresiju."

Ista osoba u gradu Idlibu nakon zauzimanja (samo da se vidi da osoba nije neozbiljna)



Opet ponavljam. FSA je najradikalnija grupa kad u pitanje dolazi Sirija kao sama država, zbog toga nekad više mrze PKK (ili kako nazivaju sve Kurde koji su protiv njih) od recimo Sirijske vojske. Kod njih nema pardona, jedna greška i odmah napadaju svime i svacime.
Uglavnom, grad Azaz je crveni alarm za pobunjenike, i svako približavanje istom daje razlog za opštu mobilizaciju i brigu.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CU7kAjAW4AEORkM.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CU7kAjEWwAE1jeF.jpg

Ne znam, niti bilo ko može, da li je fakat postojao neki dogovor između Rusa i grupe SDF-a. Ali recimo da nije, zašto bi ova druga grupa zauzela 4 sela koja su bila meta Ruske avijacije, i onda se pravili ludi kad su pobunjenici pokušali da se vrate.
Sve u svemu, sve što su pobunjenici uradili na terenu (sem napada na Sheikh Masud naselje) je opravdano
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#3870 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Challenger__ wrote:
arzuhal wrote:Pa dogovorili se s Rusijom: mi nećemo dirati vas ako uđete u naš zračni prostor, vi nemojte nas kada zabombardujemo dopremanje oružja Hezbollahu iz Sirije.

Israeli-Russian understandings allow Russian jets to fly over Israeli air space and implicitly let the Israeli Air Force bomb weapons headed from Syria to Hezbollah in Lebanon, according to Amos Gilad, senior IDF Reserve officer and director of the Defense Minister’s political-security department.


http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breakin ... 015/11/28/

Nešto ne vidim da to špkeulativno "pravo" koriste u zadnjih mjesec i po dana.
Očito da nemaju potrebe za sad. I to nije stvar prava, to je džentlmenski dogovor dvije snažne države, Rusije i Izraela, ruka ruku mije, svima dobro za njihove državne ciljeve i interese.
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#3871 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Challenger__ wrote:- Ruski vojni avion je narušio izraelski vazdušni prostor, ali nije bilo ishitrene reakcije sa izraelske strane:
Russia plane entered Israel control zone from Syria: minister

Jerusalem (AFP) - A Russian warplane recently entered Israeli-controlled airspace from Syria but the intrusion was resolved without incident, Israeli Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon said on Sunday.

Yaalon's comments come amid deep concern over the downing of a Russian warplane by Turkey, which claims it strayed over the Syrian border into its airspace and ignored repeated warnings to change course. Moscow denies the allegations.

"There was a slight intrusion a mile (1.6 kilometres) deep by a Russian plane from Syria into our airspace, but it was immediately resolved and the Russian plane returned towards Syria," Yaalon told public radio.

"It was apparently an error by the pilot who was flying near the Golan."
A što se tiče Turske... Od njih je traženo izvinjenje, Erdogan ga je jučer izrekao (izrazio žaljenje što je do toga došlo), jučerašnji dan je donio znatno reduciran prelazak izbjeglica i migranata na teritoriju Grčke, a danas su posmrtni ostaci likvidiranog pilota prebačeni u Tursku, pa za RF.

Ankara sada vuče poteze koji idu u pravcu deesksalacije sukoba, a sve uoči današnjeg Samita u Parizu.
Zaljenje i izvinjenje su dva potpuno razlicita pojma.Ne znam zasto fabrikujes vijesti.
Normalno da ce mu biti zao sto je doslo do takvog incidenta.Svima je zao,Rusima takodjer ali sami su krivi.Za razliku od Ankare,Moskva sve cini da sukob na toj relaciji eskalira.
Erdogan je rekao da ne želi podizati tenzije između dvije zemlje, ali je bilo jasno da se ne namjerava izviniti.
"Nismo željeli da se ovo dogodi, ali se nažalost dogodilo. Turska nikada nije željela podizati tenzije i tražiti sukobe niti to želi u budućnosti. Nadam se da se ovo neće ponoviti. Dok god se ne ugrožavaju naša prava, našu ćemo borbu voditi diplomatskim putem, po međunarodnim zakonima i dogovorima. Nadamo se da tenzije s Rusijom neće rasti i rezultirati novim incidentima", rekao je Erdogan.
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#3872 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Challenger__ wrote:Ma da. Jasno. Boli. I treba da boli.
Hajd,barem priznajes. :thumbup:
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Ts,ts,ts... Koji slučaj.
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#3874 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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arzuhal wrote:
Challenger__ wrote:- Ruski vojni avion je narušio izraelski vazdušni prostor, ali nije bilo ishitrene reakcije sa izraelske strane:
Russia plane entered Israel control zone from Syria: minister

Jerusalem (AFP) - A Russian warplane recently entered Israeli-controlled airspace from Syria but the intrusion was resolved without incident, Israeli Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon said on Sunday.

Yaalon's comments come amid deep concern over the downing of a Russian warplane by Turkey, which claims it strayed over the Syrian border into its airspace and ignored repeated warnings to change course. Moscow denies the allegations.

"There was a slight intrusion a mile (1.6 kilometres) deep by a Russian plane from Syria into our airspace, but it was immediately resolved and the Russian plane returned towards Syria," Yaalon told public radio.

"It was apparently an error by the pilot who was flying near the Golan."
A što se tiče Turske... Od njih je traženo izvinjenje, Erdogan ga je jučer izrekao (izrazio žaljenje što je do toga došlo), jučerašnji dan je donio znatno reduciran prelazak izbjeglica i migranata na teritoriju Grčke, a danas su posmrtni ostaci likvidiranog pilota prebačeni u Tursku, pa za RF.

Ankara sada vuče poteze koji idu u pravcu deesksalacije sukoba, a sve uoči današnjeg Samita u Parizu.
Pa dogovorili se s Rusijom: mi nećemo dirati vas ako uđete u naš zračni prostor, vi nemojte nas kada zabombardujemo dopremanje oružja Hezbollahu iz Sirije.

Israeli-Russian understandings allow Russian jets to fly over Israeli air space and implicitly let the Israeli Air Force bomb weapons headed from Syria to Hezbollah in Lebanon, according to Amos Gilad, senior IDF Reserve officer and director of the Defense Minister’s political-security department.


http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breakin ... 015/11/28/
Ma stipu propagandistu.Ruje se dogovorile sa cionistima i normalno da nisu reagovali kad je dogovor pao.
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#3875 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Znaci FSA natamburala SDF.Hajd,fino.
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