Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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#38026 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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channel10 wrote:
Basvod wrote:A sta velite na svebosnjacki sabor sinoc u Predsjednistvu? :D Placno-drhtavi glas druga Zlatka je izdominirao sveprisutne. :D Kanda ce izbori...
Sto se ti bojis svebosnjackih sabora ? Cega te je strah?
Strah me da je ove jeseni u Sarajevo nece vracati Valter jerbo se druga pjesma pjeva. :D
A Banja Luci se vec sklapaju recenzije i trljaju ruke.
Ima materijala, ima... bice dobra predizborna kampanja.
Hrvati imaju dobru priliku da opet ispadnu najpametniji.
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#38027 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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Samo neka trljaju, samo da im se to ne obije o glavu.
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#38028 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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Basvod wrote:
channel10 wrote:
Basvod wrote:A sta velite na svebosnjacki sabor sinoc u Predsjednistvu? :D Placno-drhtavi glas druga Zlatka je izdominirao sveprisutne. :D Kanda ce izbori...
Sto se ti bojis svebosnjackih sabora ? Cega te je strah?
Strah me da je ove jeseni u Sarajevo nece vracati Valter jerbo se druga pjesma pjeva. :D
A Banja Luci se vec sklapaju recenzije i trljaju ruke.
Ima materijala, ima... bice dobra predizborna kampanja.
Hrvati imaju dobru priliku da opet ispadnu najpametniji.
:lol: :lol:
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#38030 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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Nije predizborna nego je bijeg od priče o:

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..a valja opravdati nekako svu tu kradju, a prodat se nema više šta..
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#38031 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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Ne treba žaliti ni novac ni živote za sveti cilj očuvanja republike srpske, a ove izdajice što bi da rade na tzv. ekonomskom razvoju umjesto da se bore protiv imperijalističko džihadske zavjere treba javno prokazati kao budimpeštanske sluge :mrgreen:
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#38032 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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Da li neko zna zbog cega jos uvijek nije donesena presuda u vezi udruzenog zlocinackog poduhvata (Prlic i ostali) koja je bila najavljena za kraj Aprila 2013. godine (prosla skoro godina dana)?
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#38033 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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channel10 wrote:Da li neko zna zbog cega jos uvijek nije donesena presuda u vezi udruzenog zlocinackog poduhvata (Prlic i ostali) koja je bila najavljena za kraj Aprila 2013. godine (prosla skoro godina dana)?
:-) :-)
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#38034 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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Cemu :-) ? Zar nije trebala biti donesena presuda u vezi umjesanosti Hrvatske u rat u BIH-a u Aprilu prosle godine? Pa je nesto odgodjeno, udje HR u EU i od tada nista.

Edit: http://www.nezavisne.com/novosti/bih/Pr ... 82068.html

Edit 2: Evo nasao sam :oops: http://zurnal.ba/novost/17076/presuda-z ... na-zatvora
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#38035 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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channel10 wrote:Cemu :-) ? Zar nije trebala biti donesena presuda u vezi umjesanosti Hrvatske u rat u BIH-a u Aprilu prosle godine? Pa je nesto odgodjeno, udje HR u EU i od tada nista.

Edit: http://www.nezavisne.com/novosti/bih/Pr ... 82068.html
zajebavas... :evil:

Hag: Prlić i ostali krivi, Hrvatska proglašena agresorom na BiH
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Danguba wrote:
channel10 wrote:Cemu :-) ? Zar nije trebala biti donesena presuda u vezi umjesanosti Hrvatske u rat u BIH-a u Aprilu prosle godine? Pa je nesto odgodjeno, udje HR u EU i od tada nista.

Edit: http://www.nezavisne.com/novosti/bih/Pr ... 82068.html
zajebavas... :evil:

Hag: Prlić i ostali krivi, Hrvatska proglašena agresorom na BiH
Vrlo interesantno: " Agencije Anadolija vs Nezavisne novine"...lol
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#38037 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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Nema komentara za zaključke EU-a?
Posebno one o centralizmu?
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#38038 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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Sta kazu?
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#38039 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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Basvod wrote:Sta kazu?
(Procitati pod 2)

2-pozdravlja šest tački sporazuma koji je postignut u Bruxellesu 1. oktobra 2013. godine, ali žali što centralističke snage opstruisu njegovu provedbu; naglašava da je važno slijediti načela federalizma i legitimnog predstavljanja kako bi se osigurao put BiH-a u EU. :-D

The European Parliament ,

– having regard to the Stabilisation and Association Agreement (SAA) between the European Communities and their Member States, of the one part, and Bosnia and Herzegovina (BiH), of the other part, signed on 16 June 2008 and ratified by all EU Member States and Bosnia and Herzegovina,

– having regard to the European Council conclusions of 19 and 20 June 2003 on the Western Balkans and to the annex thereto entitled ‘The Thessaloniki Agenda for the Western Balkans: moving towards European integration’,

– having regard to the Council conclusions of 11 December 2012 and 21 October 2013 on Bosnia and Herzegovina,

– having regard to the Commission communication of 16 October 2013 entitled ‘Enlargement Strategy and Main Challenges 2013-2014’ (COM(2013)0700), accompanied by Commission Staff Working Document of 16 October 2013 entitled ’Bosnia and Herzegovina: 2013 Progress Report’ SWD(2013)0415 ,

– having regard to its previous resolutions, in particular those of 23 May 2013 on the 2012 Progress Report on Bosnia and Herzegovina(1) and of 22 November 2012 on Enlargement: policies, criteria and the EU’s strategic interests(2) ,

– having regard to Rule 110(2) of its Rules of Procedure,

A. whereas the EU continues to be strongly committed to a sovereign and united BiH and to the country’s membership prospects;

B. whereas the complex and inefficient institutional architecture deriving from Annex 4 of the Dayton Agreement, as well as the inaction of the BiH political leaders and their inability to compromise, have continued to have a negative impact on the country’s capacity to progress towards the EU and to improve citizens’ lives; whereas constitutional reform towards a functioning and inclusive democratic state is urgently needed;

C. whereas the prospect of EU membership has been offered to Bosnia and Herzegovina as a single country;

D. whereas a new dynamic and respect vis-à-vis citizens and international obligations are required to prevent renewed deadlock in the run-up to the October 2014 general elections;

E. whereas widespread corruption, very high unemployment and a lack of future prospects for BiH citizens continue to seriously hamper socio-economic and political developments in the country;

F. whereas cooperation with other countries in the region in a good neighbourly spirit is a prerequisite for peaceful coexistence and reconciliation within BiH and the South East European region;

General considerations

1. Is deeply concerned at the continuing lack of common vision displayed by the political leaders of the country’s three ethnic communities; urges the political groups at all levels of power in the country to step up cooperation and dialogue in order to overcome existing disputes with the aim of achieving progress on the reform path and improving the lives of BiH citizens; calls for civil society to be more involved in efforts to reform the country;

2. Welcomes the six-point agreement reached in Brussels on 1 October 2013, but deplores the obstruction of its implementation by centralist forces; stresses the importance of following the principles of federalism and legitimate representation in order to ensure BiH’s path;

3. Calls for a shift away from the nationalist and ethnocentric rhetoric coming from the leadership of the three constitutive peoples in BiH; condemns all kinds of segregation and discrimination on religious or ethnic grounds in a country;

4. Urges political leaders to focus on implementing the Road Map of the High Level Dialogue, thus making it possible to meet the requirements that would enable the SAA to come into force;

5. Urges the governments and competent authorities to strengthen the efficiency and functionality of their institutions and to establish an effective EU coordination mechanism to ensure the harmonised transposition and enforcement of the EU acquis throughout the country in the interests of the overall prosperity of its citizens; in this context, calls on them to ensure that they can speak with one voice at state level; underlines the fact that, without such a mechanism, the EU accession process will remain deadlocked; calls on all political parties to work towards improving political dialogue and enhancing political culture;

6. Reminds the Commission that EU enlargement goes beyond a mere transfer of the EU acquis and must be based on a true and comprehensive commitment to European values; calls for continued EU engagement with the BiH leaders and a rethinking of the EU’s approach towards BiH, given the stalling of progress towards EU candidate status compared with the progress being made by other countries in the region; urges the international community, the European Council, and the Member States in particular, to step up efforts to foster consensus among BiH political leaders to move forward with constitutional reform and EU-related reforms; calls on the next Vice-President / High Representative and the Enlargement Commissioner to make BiH a central priority following the appointment of the next Commission in 2014; points, in this regard, to the important role and engagement of the EU Delegation and the EU Special Representative in Bosnia and Herzegovina;

7. Invites the Commission to further strengthen efforts to facilitate an agreement on the implementation of the Sejdić-Finci ruling guaranteeing equal rights for all constituent peoples and citizens, and to be instrumental in implementing the objectives of the EU agenda, including a functional system of good governance, democratic development and economic prosperity and respect for human rights;

8. Asks the EU’s Heads of State and Government and Foreign Ministers to strengthen their personal commitment to the country;

9. Invites the authorities to meet the klix objectives and conditions for the closure of the Office of the High Representative, so as to allow greater local ownership and responsibility; underlines the fact that the dissolution of the Office of the High Representative can be considered only when all the conditions have been met;

10. Is deeply concerned that a four-year-long disagreement between political leaders led the Council of Europe to initially consider suspending the country’s right of representation in the organisation if no substantial progress was made on the implementation of the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) judgment before the elections; stresses that the legitimacy of the 2014 elections for the Presidency and the House of Peoples of BiH will be questioned if the ECHR judgment is not implemented;

11. Reiterates that constitutional reform remains key to transforming BiH into an effective and fully functional state; urges the Federation to consider concrete proposals in this regard, including the merger of some cantons and the redistribution of competences, in order to simplify its complex institutional structure, ensure a more balanced representation of all constituent people and citizens, eliminate ethnic discrimination and make the state more functional, less expensive and more accountable to its citizens; invites all political parties to take part in this process in a constructive and open manner and to make use of the advice and guidance that the Venice Commission can provide during this process; welcomes and supports the efforts of civil society organisations to influence the constitutional reform process;

12. Welcomes the smooth running and completion of the enumeration phase of the first population and housing census since 1991; calls on the responsible authorities to ensure that the census remains a statistical exercise and that it complies with international standards; urges all the competent authorities not to politicise a census whose purpose is to provide objective socio-economic data;

13. Is seriously concerned that disputes about the distribution of competences are impeding EU financial assistance; regrets, but fully supports, the Commission decision to cancel projects under the Instrument for Pre-accession Assistance-I (IPA-I); is concerned that inaction may have implications for the allocation of millions of euros of EU funds for political and socio-economic development under IPA-II;
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#38040 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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Basvod wrote:Sta kazu?
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/get ... XML+V0//HR
pozdravlja šest točaka sporazuma koji je postignut u Bruxellesu 1. listopada 2013. godine, ali žali što centralističke snage opstruiraju njegovu provedbu; naglašava da je važno slijediti načela federalizma i legitimnog predstavljanja kako bi se osigurao put BiH-a u EU;
Krivci za neprovedbu detektirani.
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#38041 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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znači ako rezoluciju uzmemo u obzir, protesti dobijaju novu dimenziju...
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#38042 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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webby-x wrote:
Basvod wrote:Sta kazu?
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/get ... XML+V0//HR
pozdravlja šest točaka sporazuma koji je postignut u Bruxellesu 1. listopada 2013. godine, ali žali što centralističke snage opstruiraju njegovu provedbu; naglašava da je važno slijediti načela federalizma i legitimnog predstavljanja kako bi se osigurao put BiH-a u EU;
Krivci za neprovedbu detektirani.
To i ne treba biti provedeno, ako je Lagumdžija toliko bolestan da jedan dan ismijava priču o legitimnim Hrvatima a drugi dan u Briselu potpisuje etničku podjelu biračkog tijela, njegov problem. Upravo će zato i propasti na izborima, zbog nedosljednosti.
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#38043 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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Skijaš wrote:To i ne treba biti provedeno, ako je Lagumdžija toliko bolestan da jedan dan ismijava priču o legitimnim Hrvatima a drugi dan u Briselu potpisuje etničku podjelu biračkog tijela, njegov problem. Upravo će zato i propasti na izborima, zbog nedosljednosti.
BiH političari mogu ovdje potpisivati svašta pa
onda okrenuti priču sutra. To tako u Europi ne ide.
Ako si nešto dogovorio, ne možeš sutra mijenjati
mišljenje jer te to košta nešto glasova na izborima.

Dakle, krivci su detektirani od strane EU.
Centralističke stranke su krive, a federalizam i
legitimno predstavljanje je put BiH prema EU
.

Ovo je prijelomna točka za tzv. patriotske
stranke: ili EU ili Balkan i nestabilnost, moguće i raspad.

I ne znam zašto ističeš Lagumdžiju.
Sve stranke su ovo potpisale.
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#38044 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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webby-x wrote:
Skijaš wrote:To i ne treba biti provedeno, ako je Lagumdžija toliko bolestan da jedan dan ismijava priču o legitimnim Hrvatima a drugi dan u Briselu potpisuje etničku podjelu biračkog tijela, njegov problem. Upravo će zato i propasti na izborima, zbog nedosljednosti.
BiH političari mogu ovdje potpisivati svašta pa
onda okrenuti priču sutra. To tako u Europi ne ide.
Ako si nešto dogovorio, ne možeš sutra mijenjati
mišljenje jer te to košta nešto glasova na izborima.

dakle, krivcu su detektirani od strane EU.
Centralističke stranke su krive, a federalizam i
legitimno predstavljanje je put BiH prema EU
.

Ovo je prijelomna točka za tzv. patriotske
stranke: ili EU ili Balkan i nestabilnost, moguće i raspad.
Ako se pristane na etničku podjelu teritorije, biće svakako raspad, ali raspad protiv kojeg Sarajevo ne bi imalo pravo da se buni. A da je prijelomna tačka, nije još. Prijelomna će doći kada se bude pričalo o konkretnim detaljima poput toga kojem bi narodu koji grad pripao. Dalje od toga se neće moći.

Ovo je sve posljedica politike nedosljednosti sarajevskih političara, branili su HDZ i kada je iz Brisela došla poruka kako HDZ ne može tražiti ono što traži tokom formiranja državne vlasti, pola je Sarajeva ipak držalo stranu HDZ-u. Slobodna Bosna je otvoreno lagala da je HDZ osvojio preko 90 % hrvatskog glasa. A ta politika popuštanja vodi sukobu jer se apetiti HDZ-a neće zaustaviti dok Čović ne dobije neki svoj Dodikistan.
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#38045 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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Skijaš wrote:Ako se pristane na etničku podjelu teritorije
Riječ je o principima legitimnog predstavljanja,
a ne o nekakvim trećim entitetima Zlatko.
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#38046 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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nama treba i efikaasno čišćenje medijskih djelatnika i to ekspresno. Gledam Dnevnik danas u 12h pa ono je bogu plakat
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#38047 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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webby-x wrote: Ovo je prijelomna točka za tzv. patriotske
stranke: ili EU ili Balkan i nestabilnost, moguće i raspad.

I ne znam zašto ističeš Lagumdžiju.
Sve stranke su ovo potpisale.
Zato što nisam glasao za HDZ ili SDA nego za SDP. Ne mogu ja biti nedosljedan samo zato što je Lagumdžija takav.
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#38048 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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nisi li se ti zalagao za politiku -što gore, to bolje-, i intervenciju eu?
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#38049 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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webby-x wrote:
Skijaš wrote:Ako se pristane na etničku podjelu teritorije
Riječ je o principima legitimnog predstavljanja,
a ne o nekakvim trećim entitetima Zlatko.
HDZ ne može imati monopol nad hrvatskim glasom, a oni koji pristaju na to, svjesno ili nesvjesno rade na Trećem.
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#38050 Re: Politicko desavanje u BiH (all inklusive)

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Jadni kockoglavi. Opet grlom u jagode. Ističu centralističke snage, a zanemaruju separatističke koje su takoder osudene. Zanemaruju činjenicu da se federalizacija ne odnosi na etnoteritorijalizaciju, koja je takoder osudena.


Ne samo da je Packova rekla da ima previše kantona, ona je rekla da zamišlja federalizaciju po uzoru na Njemačku i Austriju. U rezoluciji se takoder nigdje spominje da Hrvati trebaju dobiti svoj TV kanal.


Krivac za nesprovedbu presude je čović jer stalno traži više. A vremena bošnjačkog popuštanja i ustupanja su prošla. Za kompromis i oni drugi moraju nešto ustupiti, inače nije kompromis.


A na habe forumu delirijum. Treći samo što nije uspostavljen, krunidba stožernika najstožernije stranke u legitimnih samo što nije počela u najstolnijem st0lnogradu, zapadnom Mostaru iza Bulevara, poznatijeg kao čimilići. Likuju, čak navijaju da se Bošnjaci što više pobiju i što više samounište. O vrijedanju da ne govorim. Istovremeno se nadaju da će sada Bošnjaci u Briselu morati pristati na sve. Grdno se varaju. Lukavi latini, ko vas nezna...
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