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Smrcak15 wrote: a jesi li ti mozda bio prisutan milionima Godina da vidis kako se bica slucajnim dogadjajima mutacijama mijenjaju?
Treba se zaista nauka pozabaviti istraživanjem utjecaja religijskog zatupljivanja čovjeka, jer je zaista alarmantno da je neko poput tebe toliko zatupljen i to sve radi utjecaja religije, da to graniči sa ludilom, prosto fasciniraš glupošću.
Smrcak15 wrote: a jesi li ti mozda bio prisutan milionima Godina da vidis kako se bica slucajnim dogadjajima mutacijama mijenjaju?
Treba se zaista nauka pozabaviti istraživanjem utjecaja religijskog zatupljivanja čovjeka, jer je zaista alarmantno da je neko poput tebe toliko zatupljen i to sve radi utjecaja religije, da to graniči sa ludilom, prosto fasciniraš glupošću.
ja jos cekam odgovor
kako mutacije (slucajni dogadjaji) da kreiraju kompleksne strukture kako nanorobote i bakterijske spermijske motore???
covjece ti vjerujes da ovaj robot koji trenuta hoda u tvom tijelu je produkt mutacije slucajnih dogadjaja, mutacija ga naucila da hoda mutacija mu napravila noge i naucila ga kako da zaobidje prepreke kad se dese na putu i mnogo sto ga mutacija naucila
Last edited by Smrcak15 on 23/11/2016 17:34, edited 1 time in total.
Smrcak15 wrote: a jesi li ti mozda bio prisutan milionima Godina da vidis kako se bica slucajnim dogadjajima mutacijama mijenjaju?
Treba se zaista nauka pozabaviti istraživanjem utjecaja religijskog zatupljivanja čovjeka, jer je zaista alarmantno da je neko poput tebe toliko zatupljen i to sve radi utjecaja religije, da to graniči sa ludilom, prosto fasciniraš glupošću.
Alarmantno je zapravo da tako agresivno i u uvredljivom tonu reaguješ na totalno banalno pitanje.
Smrcak15 wrote: a jesi li ti mozda bio prisutan milionima Godina da vidis kako se bica slucajnim dogadjajima mutacijama mijenjaju?
Treba se zaista nauka pozabaviti istraživanjem utjecaja religijskog zatupljivanja čovjeka, jer je zaista alarmantno da je neko poput tebe toliko zatupljen i to sve radi utjecaja religije, da to graniči sa ludilom, prosto fasciniraš glupošću.
ja jos cekam odgovor
kako mutacije (slucajni dogadjaji) da kreiraju kompleksne strukture kako nanorobote i bakterijske spermijske motore???
covjece ti vjerujes da ovaj robot koji trenuta hoda u tvom tijelu je produkt mutacije slucajnih dogadjaja, mutacija ga naucila da hoda mutacija mu napravila noge i naucila ga kako da zaobidje prepreke kad se dese na putu i mnogo sto ga mutacija naucila
Džaba su tebi svi dokazi kada kao da slijepom čovjeku objašnjavam da li postoji boja i kako izgleda, isti slučaj i sa tvojim razumjevanjem evolucije. Ništa od toga nije nastalo ni slučajno ni odjednom, dijelovi su nastali u ogromnim razdobljima, raznim faktorima koji su utjecali na evoluciju i da dođe do promjena, te bili su funkcionalni pojedinačno, kao što je objašnjeno tokom obaranja kreacionističke teze o bacterial flagellumu:
Ali naravno, hajde ti slijepcu objasni... sad će on opet, slučajno ovo, morala je viša sila ono, a naučni dokazi sve suprotni , a slučaj npr. krave je preskočio u širokom luku, što ti je reći religijski zabluđen um koji je slijep i ignorantan...
Smrcak15 wrote: a jesi li ti mozda bio prisutan milionima Godina da vidis kako se bica slucajnim dogadjajima mutacijama mijenjaju?
Treba se zaista nauka pozabaviti istraživanjem utjecaja religijskog zatupljivanja čovjeka, jer je zaista alarmantno da je neko poput tebe toliko zatupljen i to sve radi utjecaja religije, da to graniči sa ludilom, prosto fasciniraš glupošću.
Alarmantno je zapravo da tako agresivno i u uvredljivom tonu reaguješ na totalno banalno pitanje.
Pitanje nije banalno, nego je totalno idiotsko, tako da je reakcija sasvim razumna kod bilo koga ko koristi mozak...
maraccana wrote:
Džaba su tebi svi dokazi kada kao da slijepom čovjeku objašnjavam da li postoji boja i kako izgleda, isti slučaj i sa tvojim razumjevanjem evolucije. Ništa od toga nije nastalo ni slučajno ni odjednom, dijelovi su nastali u ogromnim razdobljima, raznim faktorima koji su utjecali na evoluciju i da dođe do promjena, te bili su funkcionalni pojedinačno, kao što je objašnjeno tokom obaranja kreacionističke teze o bacterial flagellumu:
Ali naravno, hajde ti slijepcu objasni... sad će on opet, slučajno ovo, morala je viša sila ono, a naučni dokazi sve suprotni , a slučaj npr. krave je preskočio u širokom luku, što ti je reći religijski zabluđen um koji je slijep i ignorantan...
ti izgleda necitas sta ti se pise, 30 komponenata bakterijskog motora su potpuno novui, nema ih nigdje drugo, odakle su onda evolvira ?? pa i da ih ima opet nebi bio dokaz za evoluciju jer sklapanje puzli iziskuje inteligentciju a ne tvoje slucajne mutacije
Dr Scott Minnich of the University of Idaho, a world expert on the flagellar motor, disagrees with Scientific American. He says that his belief that this motor has been intelligently designed has given him many research insights. Minnich points out that the very process of assembly in the right sequence requires other regulatory machines.2 He also points out that only about 10 of the 40 components can possibly be explained by co-option, but the other 30 are brand new.
2.Unlocking the Mystery of Life, DVD, Illustra Media, 2002.
Smrcak15 wrote: a jesi li ti mozda bio prisutan milionima Godina da vidis kako se bica slucajnim dogadjajima mutacijama mijenjaju?
Treba se zaista nauka pozabaviti istraživanjem utjecaja religijskog zatupljivanja čovjeka, jer je zaista alarmantno da je neko poput tebe toliko zatupljen i to sve radi utjecaja religije, da to graniči sa ludilom, prosto fasciniraš glupošću.
Alarmantno je zapravo da tako agresivno i u uvredljivom tonu reaguješ na totalno banalno pitanje.
maraccana wrote:
Džaba su tebi svi dokazi kada kao da slijepom čovjeku objašnjavam da li postoji boja i kako izgleda, isti slučaj i sa tvojim razumjevanjem evolucije. Ništa od toga nije nastalo ni slučajno ni odjednom, dijelovi su nastali u ogromnim razdobljima, raznim faktorima koji su utjecali na evoluciju i da dođe do promjena, te bili su funkcionalni pojedinačno, kao što je objašnjeno tokom obaranja kreacionističke teze o bacterial flagellumu:
Ali naravno, hajde ti slijepcu objasni... sad će on opet, slučajno ovo, morala je viša sila ono, a naučni dokazi sve suprotni , a slučaj npr. krave je preskočio u širokom luku, što ti je reći religijski zabluđen um koji je slijep i ignorantan...
ti izgleda necitas sta ti se pise, 30 komponenata bakterijskog motora su potpuno novui, nema ih nigdje drugo, odakle su onda evolvira ?? pa i da ih ima opet nebi bio dokaz za evoluciju jer sklapanje puzli iziskuje inteligentciju a ne tvoje slucajne mutacije
Dr Scott Minnich of the University of Idaho, a world expert on the flagellar motor, disagrees with Scientific American. He says that his belief that this motor has been intelligently designed has given him many research insights. Minnich points out that the very process of assembly in the right sequence requires other regulatory machines.2 He also points out that only about 10 of the 40 components can possibly be explained by co-option, but the other 30 are brand new.
2.Unlocking the Mystery of Life, DVD, Illustra Media, 2002.
jeli ti covjece ovo razumijes
Je li ti razumiješ da su postojale arheje, te da navodiš kreacionistu koji bez ikakve osnove se protivi eminentnoj kao što je Scientific American. Iznad ti je naučni objašnjenje kako je nastalo, bez ikakve potrebe više sile, evolucijom i vremenom od nižih oblika.
maraccana wrote:
Treba se zaista nauka pozabaviti istraživanjem utjecaja religijskog zatupljivanja čovjeka, jer je zaista alarmantno da je neko poput tebe toliko zatupljen i to sve radi utjecaja religije, da to graniči sa ludilom, prosto fasciniraš glupošću.
Alarmantno je zapravo da tako agresivno i u uvredljivom tonu reaguješ na totalno banalno pitanje.
zato sto ga gusim sa sah mat pitanjima
idiotsko pitanje koje dokazuje tvoj nivo mentalnog sklopa i poznavanja nauke i evolucije na nivou petogodišnjeg djeteta, ovo je vrhunac gluposti čitave teme:
Smrcak15 wrote: a jesi li ti mozda bio prisutan milionima Godina da vidis kako se bica slucajnim dogadjajima mutacijama mijenjaju?
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maraccana wrote:
Treba se zaista nauka pozabaviti istraživanjem utjecaja religijskog zatupljivanja čovjeka, jer je zaista alarmantno da je neko poput tebe toliko zatupljen i to sve radi utjecaja religije, da to graniči sa ludilom, prosto fasciniraš glupošću.
Alarmantno je zapravo da tako agresivno i u uvredljivom tonu reaguješ na totalno banalno pitanje.
Pitanje nije banalno, nego je totalno idiotsko, tako da je reakcija sasvim razumna kod bilo koga ko koristi mozak...
Nema potrebe za tolikim teatrom,ako nisi sposoban da civilizovano i argumentovano diskutuješ,onda to ne treba i da činiš.
maraccana wrote:
Pitanje nije banalno, nego je totalno idiotsko, tako da je reakcija sasvim razumna kod bilo koga ko koristi mozak...
Nema potrebe za tolikim teatrom,ako nisi sposoban da civilizovano i argumentovano diskutuješ,onda to ne treba i da činiš.
Ko pokazuje naznake idiotizma postavljanjem pitanja na nivou petogodišnjaka, a bavio bi se ozbiljnim stvarima i naukom, takvima se ne bi trebalo uopšte dopustiti da ulaze u nekakvu diskusiju, uključujući i tebe, tako da vam je i uspjeh što uopšte diskutujete. Svjesno divljate po temi i onda bi još govorili o civilizovanosti i argumentovanoj diskusiji.
Nisu to sah-mat pitanja, vec su odgovorena vise puta, licno sam stavljao link ovom tvom 'robotu' a i ostali primjeri zivotinja adaptirani svojoj okolini stvarno se daju objasniti bez kreatora..
Neke osnovne pojmove evolucije (kao postepenog i dugotrajnog procesa)odbacujes totalno pogtesnim argumentima. "Ne moze evolucija da napravi oko, previse komplikovano" Pa nije ako krenes od fotosenzitivne celije i das joj vise stotina miliona godina da se razvija...
Nego priznaj da zelis da ima stvaratelj, da je to u skladu s tvojim stavovima i da evoluciju odbacujes u ime svog boga. Mislim da je to ispravniji stav nego da fulas loptu.
Inace, zasto se virusi prilagodjavaju (da ne koristim tu ruznu rjec "evoluiraju"), je li po bozjoj uputi ili samostalno.
maraccana wrote:
Pitanje nije banalno, nego je totalno idiotsko, tako da je reakcija sasvim razumna kod bilo koga ko koristi mozak...
Nema potrebe za tolikim teatrom,ako nisi sposoban da civilizovano i argumentovano diskutuješ,onda to ne treba i da činiš.
Ko pokazuje naznake idiotizma postavljanjem pitanja na nivou petogodišnjaka, a bavio bi se ozbiljnim stvarima i naukom, takvima se ne bi trebalo uopšte dopustiti da ulaze u nekakvu diskusiju, uključujući i tebe, tako da vam je i uspjeh što uopšte diskutujete. Svjesno divljate po temi i onda bi još govorili o civilizovanosti i argumentovanoj diskusiji.
Vrijedjanje sudiskutanta pogotovo na način na koji ti to činiš,ne spada sasvim sigurno ni u kakvu nauku,na koju se uzaludno i neargumentovano pozivaš,tako da za tebe može da bude veliki uspjeh ako budeš uopće ostao na pdf-u,s obzirom da scene koje i dalje praviš ne samo da se kose sa normom civilizovanog ponašanja,nego naravno krši i pravila foruma.
maraccana wrote:
Ko pokazuje naznake idiotizma postavljanjem pitanja na nivou petogodišnjaka, a bavio bi se ozbiljnim stvarima i naukom, takvima se ne bi trebalo uopšte dopustiti da ulaze u nekakvu diskusiju, uključujući i tebe, tako da vam je i uspjeh što uopšte diskutujete. Svjesno divljate po temi i onda bi još govorili o civilizovanosti i argumentovanoj diskusiji.
Vrijedjanje sudiskutanta pogotovo na način na koji ti to činiš,ne spada sasvim sigurno ni u kakvu nauku,na koju se uzaludno i neargumentovano pozivaš,tako da za tebe može da bude veliki uspjeh ako budeš uopće ostao na pdf-u,s obzirom da scene koje i dalje praviš ne samo da se kose sa normom civilizovanog ponašanja,nego naravno krši i pravila foruma.
Dijete drago, nije ti ovo igralište, idi igraj klikera, ćize-blize itd., kontaš da pravite cirkus idiotisanjem po forumu? Ove stvari su previše kompleksne za vaš zakržljali um što ste uveliko dokazali cirkusom na ovoj temi i demonstracijom neznanja samim postavljanjem idiotskih pitanja, a diskusijom da ne pominjem.
Ti bi tatu učio kako se prave djeca.Na osnovu svjedočenja likova sa sličnim naelektrisanjem poput tvog,a koji izvješavaju o pojavi crnih rupa i polja jake gravitacije na području Ban Land-a,vjerovatno ćeš imati priliku da demonstriraš te iste pojave i na osobnom iskustvu.Hasta la vista.
maraccana wrote:
Džaba su tebi svi dokazi kada kao da slijepom čovjeku objašnjavam da li postoji boja i kako izgleda, isti slučaj i sa tvojim razumjevanjem evolucije. Ništa od toga nije nastalo ni slučajno ni odjednom, dijelovi su nastali u ogromnim razdobljima, raznim faktorima koji su utjecali na evoluciju i da dođe do promjena, te bili su funkcionalni pojedinačno, kao što je objašnjeno tokom obaranja kreacionističke teze o bacterial flagellumu:
Ali naravno, hajde ti slijepcu objasni... sad će on opet, slučajno ovo, morala je viša sila ono, a naučni dokazi sve suprotni , a slučaj npr. krave je preskočio u širokom luku, što ti je reći religijski zabluđen um koji je slijep i ignorantan...
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ti izgleda necitas sta ti se pise, 30 komponenata bakterijskog motora su potpuno novui, nema ih nigdje drugo, odakle su onda evolvira ?? pa i da ih ima opet nebi bio dokaz za evoluciju jer sklapanje puzli iziskuje inteligentciju a ne tvoje slucajne mutacije
Dr Scott Minnich of the University of Idaho, a world expert on the flagellar motor, disagrees with Scientific American. He says that his belief that this motor has been intelligently designed has given him many research insights. Minnich points out that the very process of assembly in the right sequence requires other regulatory machines.2 He also points out that only about 10 of the 40 components can possibly be explained by co-option, but the other 30 are brand new.
2.Unlocking the Mystery of Life, DVD, Illustra Media, 2002.
jeli ti covjece ovo razumijes
Je li ti razumiješ da su postojale arheje, te da navodiš kreacionistu koji bez ikakve osnove se protivi eminentnoj kao što je Scientific American. Iznad ti je naučni objašnjenje kako je nastalo, bez ikakve potrebe više sile, evolucijom i vremenom od nižih oblika.
Da , naravno da navodim i to sa razlogom, jja njega nisam naveo na lijepe oci nego zato sto je dao jak argument a to je 30 komponenata koji su potpuno novi tako da nemoze biti evolucijski.
Objasni mi molim te kako je evolucija naucila nano robota da hoda na dvije noge???
ti izgleda necitas sta ti se pise, 30 komponenata bakterijskog motora su potpuno novui, nema ih nigdje drugo, odakle su onda evolvira ?? pa i da ih ima opet nebi bio dokaz za evoluciju jer sklapanje puzli iziskuje inteligentciju a ne tvoje slucajne mutacije
Dr Scott Minnich of the University of Idaho, a world expert on the flagellar motor, disagrees with Scientific American. He says that his belief that this motor has been intelligently designed has given him many research insights. Minnich points out that the very process of assembly in the right sequence requires other regulatory machines.2 He also points out that only about 10 of the 40 components can possibly be explained by co-option, but the other 30 are brand new.
2.Unlocking the Mystery of Life, DVD, Illustra Media, 2002.
jeli ti covjece ovo razumijes
Je li ti razumiješ da su postojale arheje, te da navodiš kreacionistu koji bez ikakve osnove se protivi eminentnoj kao što je Scientific American. Iznad ti je naučni objašnjenje kako je nastalo, bez ikakve potrebe više sile, evolucijom i vremenom od nižih oblika.
Da , naravno da navodim i to sa razlogom, jja njega nisam naveo na lijepe oci nego zato sto je dao jak argument a to je 30 komponenata koji su potpuno novi tako da nemoze biti evolucijski.
Objasni mi molim te kako je evolucija naucila nano robota da hoda na dvije noge???
Imaš na slici jasno objašnjeno čime je oborena teza dotičnog:
Evolucija nije ništa naučila, osnovnim faktorima adaptacije, g.drifta, vremenom dolazi do promjena, nastajanja novih oblika, funkcija itd.
Zatupljen si i dalje, i nema ti pomoći, ne znam šta pokušavaš dalje.
maraccana wrote:
Imaš na slici jasno objašnjeno čime je oborena teza dotičnog:
Evolucija nije ništa naučila, osnovnim faktorima adaptacije, g.drifta, vremenom dolazi do promjena, nastajanja novih oblika, funkcija itd.
Zatupljen si i dalje, i nema ti pomoći, ne znam šta pokušavaš dalje.
ti mora da se salis, da po ovo mprincipu kao na slici se stvori nesto kao ovaj robot dolje???
jesi li ti uopste svjestan sta ti pricas???
Incredible Kinesin! Biological ‘robots’ will blow your mind!
by Calvin Smith
Kinesin molecules are motor proteins found inside living things. Known as the ‘workhorse of the cell’, they haul vital cargo along roadways in cells called microtubules. Steven Block (professor of applied physics and of biological sciences at Stanford University) has described kinesin this way; "Kinesin functions like a locomotive in cells to ferry cargo back and forth.”1
A typical kinesin molecule is a mere 70 billionths of a metre (three-millionths of an inch) long and has an amazing likeness to a person! A typical kinesin has two ‘arms’ on one end (that hold onto the cargo) and two ‘legs’ on the other end that walk along the microtubule, pulling the cargo toward its final destination. In a sense they are like the ‘postman’ delivering mail inside cells.
Biological robots?
Inside all life forms that have nuclei in their cells (eukaryotes), proteins and other parts need to be delivered to specific places within the cell at specific times. If the needed part is a protein, a manufacturing plant (called the ribosome) receives blueprints for the part from the nucleus (the information is stored in the nucleus on a strand of DNA, but the blueprint is sent in the form of an RNA copy of that section of DNA).
A typical kinesin has two ‘arms’ on one end (that hold onto the cargo) and two ‘legs’ on the other end that walk along the microtubule, pulling the cargo toward its final destination.
This is a complex coordinated effort, as something must first access the creature’s DNA library, unzip it at the exact location needed for the specific information required (for whatever part is to be manufactured), create a duplicate of the information for the part and deliver it to the factory. (See animation, below left.)
Then another organelle in the cell (called the Golgi apparatus) packages the needed part by wrapping it in a bag (called a vesicle) and imprints the ‘address’ where the part is to be delivered in the cell onto the outside of the vesicle ‘parcel’.
Then a kinesin is summoned. It picks up the parcel and ‘walks’ along microtubule roadways in the cell and delivers the parcel where it is needed. (Many different types of kinesin [and kinesin-related proteins] with different specifications and functions have been discovered in various organisms from yeast to humans. The above example was simply an example of a ‘common’ task.)
A view from above
Kinesin is the miniscule longshoreman (stevedore) of the cell, toting parcels of cargo on its shoulders as it steps along a scaffolding of microtubules. Each molecule of ATP fuel that kinesin encounters triggers precisely one 8-nanometer step of the ‘longshoreman’.
To grasp the complexity of what scientists are observing kinesin do, we could use the following hypothetical scenario as an analogy from a more familiar point of view:
Joe is working at his job one day when his machine breaks down. He identifies the broken part and makes a call from his cell phone to a local manufacturer requesting a new one, giving them the part number.
The manufacturer agrees and records Joe’s address. The manufacturer has a list of all the part numbers on hand but not the schematic for them so they send an email to another company (that has a copy of all of the blueprints for every part needed in the industry) requesting the blueprint. A person there makes a photocopy of the needed section and delivers it to the manufacturer.
From the instructions in the blueprints, the factory then manufactures the part and puts it in a package marked with the postal address from its database.
A courier is contacted. He comes to the factory and picks up the package. Having detailed maps of the city, the courier plots out and travels along the most convenient route and delivers the package. Mission accomplished!
Most would agree that the level of complexity just described is pretty impressive. The technology and integrated components (such as the specialized knowledge, communications systems, manufacturing capability, and databases) needed for such intricate procedures are incredibly sophisticated, and all of these steps were coordinated by intelligent people at every stage. However, the klix processes involving kinesin are far more complicated than what ‘Joe’ experienced above.
All in a day’s work
As astounding as this is, research is showing that kinesins do far more than initially thought. Kinesins are now known to support mitosis (cell division) and meiosis (cell division in which a nucleus divides into four daughter nuclei to make reproductive cells). In addition to transport of ‘mundane’ cellular cargo, kinesins transport the neurotransmitters needed for neurons to communicate with one another.
Certain kinesins can dismantle the microtubules after their journey. Controlling the length of microtubules is particularly important during cell division2—lack of control can cause chromosomal instability, which is in turn linked to human cancer.3
Professor Matthias Rief (from the Physics Department of the Munich University of Technology) says, “Our results show that a molecular motor must take on a large number of functions over and above simple transport, if it wants to operate successfully in a cell. It must be possible to switch the motor on and off, and it must be able to accept a load needed at a specific location and hand it over at the destination.”4 Fast and efficient
Not only do these incredible kinesin robots perform a variety of tasks, they also do so with incredible efficiency! Check out these ‘state of the art’ features: Power—“Not only is it klix, but kinesin’s motor is about 50 percent efficient, which is about twice as good as a gasoline engine. And pound for pound, kinesin produces nearly 15 times more power than that man-made engine.”5 Speed—The kinesin motor is impressively fast, capable of 100 steps per second. “Scaled up to our own dimensions, a motor with corresponding properties would travel at similar speeds and produce as much horsepower per unit weight as the jet engines of the Thrust supersonic car6, which recently broke the sound barrier.”7 (This would be proportional to a person moving 600 meters per second or 1,300 miles per hour!) Energy efficient—Kinesins are powered by the universal energy compound known as ATP (which is produced by another incredible molecular motor called ATP synthase—see animation, below right. Each molecule of ATP “fuel” that kinesin encounters triggers precisely one 8-nanometer step of the ‘postman’, but kinesins go into ‘sleep mode’ when cargo isn’t attached to prevent ATP from being wasted. Similar to how modern computers shut down after a period of un-use to conserve energy, kinesin have a hibernation feature as well. (Although scientists know that the motor folds over in an “autoinhibited” 8 state when resting, the molecular mechanism remains unclear.) Team players—Kinesin molecules also work together when the going gets tough! If the load needing transport is too heavy for one ‘postman’ to handle, there is “ … significant evidence that cargoes in-vivo are transported by multiple motors.”9
They also demonstrate ‘multiple handling’ of their cargo. Similar to runners in a relay race, kinesins can ‘hand off’ their cargo to a ‘fresh’ bystander after delivering it a certain distance, and the other kinesin will finish the delivery process. Flexible planning—Kinesins also have a ‘bypass mode’ ability that allows them to navigate around obstructions they may encounter. Similar to a GPS system ‘re-computing’, kinesins have demonstrated the remarkable ability to re-route automatically when needed. Recycling—The most ardent champion of the ‘green’ movement would be jealous of the kinesin’s conservation and recycling capability. There is good evidence they are either transported back to the cell center in groups by large transport units (like mass transit in cities) or alternatively dismantled and their parts recycled when done their tasks.10
Committed to naturalism
Of course such incredibly sophisticated bio-technology screams “Design”, but does God get the glory in the scientific literature describing these amazing machines and processes? No, ‘nature’ does:
“It is impressive how nature (emphasis mine) manages to combine all of these functions in one molecule. In this respect it is still far superior to all the efforts of modern nanotechnology and serves as a great example to us all.” 11
Why is it that at a time when science is revealing such telling evidence of God’s handiwork that intelligent people can see the evidence and deny the Creator? It’s because of the atheistic, evolutionary indoctrination that most people in the Western world receive, of course. Atheism is committed to naturalism, and so as Dr Scott Todd (an immunologist at Kansas State University) said: “Even if all the data point to an intelligent designer, such an hypothesis is excluded from science because it is not naturalistic”. (This would have been surprising news to the many great God fearing scientists of the past such as Sir Isaac Newton and Louis Pasteur).
Evolutionists are willing to believe that such astoundingly sophisticated technology like molecular motors and their operating systems arose through natural processes (with no intelligence) very early on in their imaginary timeline.
Of course, according to evolutionary theory, eukaryote cells supposedly evolved well over two billion years ago12. This means evolutionists are willing to believe that such astoundingly sophisticated technology like molecular motors and their operating systems arose through natural processes (with no intelligence) very early on their imaginary timeline. But this is technology far superior to anything the most intelligent scientific minds on the planet have ever produced!
Is ‘evolution’ the answer to our beginnings?
“Motion at the cellular level is a hallmark of being alive,” Block has said. “A fundamental question is, how did living organisms figure out how to move? The answer is they developed kinesin and several other very efficient protein motors. If kinesin were to fail altogether, you wouldn’t even make it to the embryo stage, because your cells wouldn’t survive. It’s that important.” 13
Evolutionists have no plausible theory on how something as sophisticated as kinesin (and the required operating and communication systems) could have evolved in a gradual fashion (let alone all of the countless other functions and features we know of in so called ‘simple’ living things).
However, when we see similar machines and operating systems (robots, computers, the Internet, etc.) in our everyday life at work or home they are always the result of intelligent and intentional design. How much more logical to believe that the ultimate mind we are able to conceive (the Creator God) created all of the marvelous machinery within us and the world around us!
ti vjerujes da je ovo slucajnim dogadjajima=mutacijama nastalo
Sjajno, postavljaš idiotluke od kreacioniste Calvin Smitha koji vjeruje da je Zemlja 6000. godina stara, 100 puta sam ti objasnio oko evolucije i sve dokaze naveo, ali si zatucan kao panj.
Nema druže smisla dalje diskutovati jer je i previše, da je ovo normalan forum ti bi bio odavno maknut zbog ovih idiotluka koje prosipaš i spamaš, i uopšte koliko sramotiš ljudski rod i zdrav razum. Ovim samo dokazuješ da su vjernici zatucani i ne vide dalje od prsta tj. svog uvjerenja. Hajd nastavi se igrati....
maraccana wrote:Sjajno, postavljaš idiotluke od kreacioniste Calvin Smitha koji vjeruje da je Zemlja 6000. godina stara, 100 puta sam ti objasnio oko evolucije i sve dokaze naveo, ali si zatucan kao panj.
Nema druže smisla dalje diskutovati jer je i previše, da je ovo normalan forum bio bi odavno maknut zbog ovih idiotluka koje prosipaš, i uopšte koliko sramotiš ljudski rod i zdrav razum. Ovim samo dokazuješ da su vjernici zatucani i ne vide dalje od prsta. Hajd nastavi se igrati....
a tek bakterija MO-1 koja ima 7 sihronizovanih motora i koja se orijentise prema sjeveru jer osjeti magnetizam, znaci po rijecima samih evolucionista takvo bice unistava teoriju evoluciju
Germ with seven motors in one!
by Jonathan Sarfati
Over the last two decades, scientists have uncovered some of the amazing machinery in microscopic living cells. These include germs with a miniature motor that generates waves in a klix tail that allows germs to swim—thebacterial flagellum.1 This even turns out to have a clutch to disconnect the motor from the tail.2 Even more miniaturized is the tiniest motor in the universe, ATP synthase, which makes the vital energy molecule ATP (adenosine triphosphate).3 Remarkably, a virus has a klix motor used to wind up DNA into tight packages.4
This design must be playing an essential role in the fast, smooth rotation of the flagellar apparatus that allows the rapid swimming of MO-1.—Juanfang Ruan et al.
Some germs have more than one flagellum. Sometimes they work individually but still the germ manages to coordinate the motors. Other germs have the tails loosely bundled. But the marine bacterium MO-1 is different again. Here, seven flagella are tightly bundled in a sheath.
The mystery was how they could all rotate in the same direction without interfering with each other. Now a research team from French and Japanese universities5 has worked out how. They produced a series of 2-dimensional images of cross sections to build up a 3-dimensional picture (electron cryotomography—like a CAT scan, but with an electron microscope and very cold temperatures).
The seven flagella are actually surrounded by 24 fibrils (klix fibres), in a hexagonal array. And these fibrils rotate in the opposite direction to the flagella, allowing them to rotate freely. The researchers’ diagram shows the flagella as large gear wheels with the fibrils as smaller gear wheels. These gears or bearings enable the flagella to spin very fast—so the germ can swim about 300 μm/s, or 10 times faster than E. coli and Salmonella.
The researchers evidently had no use for evolution in their research. Instead, they referred to “complex and exquisite architecture”, and said:
“This design must be playing an essential role in the fast, smooth rotation of the flagellar apparatus that allows the rapid swimming of MO-1.”
Famous evolutionist J.B.S. Haldane predicted that we would find no wheels or magnets in living creatures. This is because these would not work unless fully formed.
But in the last paragraph, the researchers paid the obligatory fact-free homage to goo-to-you evolution:
“Taken together, these features of the MO-1 flagellar apparatus represent an advanced level of evolution of a motility apparatus. It is also intriguing that the same pattern of an intertwined hexagonal array in two evolutionary distant systems: the basal bodies of flagella and fibrils of the MO-1 flagellar apparatus, and the thick and thin filaments in vertebrate skeletal muscle. Similar architectures of filamentous structures presumably evolved independently in prokaryotes and eukaryotes to fulfill the requirements for two very distinct mechanisms to generate motion: counter rotation and axial sliding.”
This is yet another example of appealing to ‘convergence’: the same design feature allegedly evolved not just once but twice. But more to the point: in the late 1940s, the famous evolutionist J.B.S. Haldane predicted that we would find no wheels or magnets in living creatures.6 This is because these would not work unless fully formed. Thus natural selection could not have produced them step by small step, each an improvement over the previous one. Such motors thus falsify evolution by Haldane’s own words. MO-1 also senses magnetism,7 following Earth’s magnetic north pole in a helical path. So MO-1 provides two strikes against evolution.
ako hoces dokaze za postojanje Boga, na ovakvim nereligijskim stvarima baziram postojanje BOga
evo za pocetak
prvo cemo krenut sa videom
The Speed of the Big Bang Explosion:
The balances established with the Big Bang, the instantaneous formation of the universe, are one of the proofs that the universe did not come into being by chance. According to the well-known Adelaide University professor of mathematical physics Paul Davies, if the rate of expansion that took place following the Big Bang had been just one in a billion billion parts different (1/1018), the universe could not have come into being. 3
The Four Forces:
All physical motion in the universe comes about thanks to the interaction and equilibrium of the four forces recognised by modern physics: gravity, electromagnetic force, strong nuclear force and weak nuclear force. These forces possess extraordinarily different values to one another.4
The Distances between Celestial Bodies:
The distribution of celestial bodies in space and the enormous spaces between them are essential to the existence of life on Earth. The distances between celestial bodies have been set out in a calculation compatible with a great many powerful universal forces in such a way as to support life on Earth.5
Gravity:
- If gravity were stronger, excessive ammonia and methane would collect in the Earth's atmosphere, which would have a most damaging effect on life.
- If it were weaker, the Earth's atmosphere would lose excessive quantities of water, making life impossible.
The Earth’s Distance from the Sun:
- If this were any greater, the planet would grow very cold, the water cycle in the atmosphere would be affected, and the planet would enter an ice-age.
- If the Earth were any closer to the Sun, plants would burn up, the water cycle in the Earth's atmosphere would be irreparably damaged, and life would become impossible.
The Thickness of the Earth’s Crust:
- If the crust were any thicker, then an excessive amount of oxygen would be transferred to it from the atmosphere.
- If it were any thinner, the resulting amount of volcanic activity would make life impossible.
The Speed at which the Earth Revolves:
- If this were any slower, the temperature difference between day and night would grow enormously.
- If it were any faster, then atmospheric winds would reach enormous speeds, and cyclones and storms would make life impossible.
The Earth’s Magnetic Field:
- If this were any more powerful, very strong electromagnetic storms would arise.
- If it were any weaker, then the Earth would lose its protection against the harmful particles given off by the Sun and known as solar winds. Both situations would make life impossible.
The Albedo Effect (The Fraction of Light Reflected by the Earth):
- If this were any greater, an ice-age would rapidly result.
- If it were any less, the greenhouse effect would lead to excessive warming. The Earth would first be flooded with the melting of the glaciers, and would then burn up.
The Proportion of Oxygen and Nitrogen in the Atmosphere:
- If this were any greater, vital functions would be adversely accelerated.
- If it were any less, vital functions would adversely slow down.
The Proportion of Carbon Dioxide and Water in the Atmosphere:
- If this were any greater, the atmosphere would overheat.
- If it were any less, the temperature of the atmosphere would fall.
The Thickness of the Ozone Layer:
- If this were any greater, the Earth's temperature would fall enormously.
- If it were any less, the Earth would overheat and be defenceless against the harmful ultraviolet rays emitted by the Sun.
Seismic Activity (Earthquakes):
- If this were any greater, there would be constant upheaval for living things.
- If it were any less, the nutrients at the sea bottom would fail to spread into the water. This would have a damaging effect on life in the seas and oceans and all living things on Earth.
The Earth’s Angle of Tilt:
The Earth has a 23 degree angle of inclination to its orbit. It is this inclination that gives rise to the seasons. If this angle were any greater or any less than it is now, the temperature difference between the seasons would reach extreme dimensions, with unbearably hot summers and bitterly cold winters.
The Size of the Sun:
A smaller star than the Sun would mean the Earth would freeze and a larger star would lead to its burning up.
The Attraction between the Earth and the Moon:
- If this were any greater, the powerful attraction of the Moon would have extremely serious effects on atmospheric conditions, the speed at which the Earth revolves around its own axis and on the ocean tides.
- If it were any less, this would lead to extreme climate changes.
The Distance between the Earth and the Moon:
- If they were just a little closer, the Moon would crash into the Earth.
- If they were any further, the Moon would become lost in space.
- If they were even a little closer, the Moon's effect on the Earth's tides would reach dangerous dimensions. Ocean waves would inundate low-lying areas. The friction emerging as a result of this would raise the temperature of the oceans and the sensitive temperature balance essential to life on
Earth would disappear.
- If they were even a little further away, the tides would decrease, leading the oceans to be less mobile. Immobile water would endanger life in the seas, and the level of the oxygen we breathe would be endangered.6
The Temperature of the Earth and Carbon-Based Life:
The existence of carbon, the basis of all life, depends on the temperature remaining within specific limits. Carbon is an essential substance for organic molecules such as amino-acid, nucleic acid and protein: These constitute the basis of life. For that reason, life can only be carbon-based. Given this, the existing temperature needs to be no lower than -20 degrees and no higher than 1200 Celsius (2480 F). These are just the temperature limits on Earth.
These are just a few of the exceedingly sensitive balances which are essential for life on Earth to have emerged and to survive. Yet even these are sufficient to definitively reveal that the Earth and the universe could not have come into being as the result of a number of consecutive coincidences. The concepts of "fine-tuning" and the "anthropic principle" that began to be employed in the 20th century are further evidence of Allah's creation. The harmony and proportion therein were described with magnificent accuracy fourteen centuries ago in the Qur'an.
Naucnici daju dokaze za postojanje Boga
Nanorobot u tvom tijelu koji hoda na dvije noge i obavlja zadatke koje je Bog u njega programirao
ATP sinteza, prostojenje za napajanje energijom robote i ostale stvari u tebi
Motori u bakterijama i sperminim celijama, imaju rotor, stator, propele, kvacilo, mijenaac, i mnogo drugih kompnenata , koriste fruktozu kao gorivo
Kako mozes vjeorvati da je ovo samo nekakvim mutacijama stvoreno, veliko lazno oko da prepada predatore, dok je malo pravo oko maskirano crnom linijom
ili zivotinje nekakvim mutacijama da se prilagode okolini, da kopiraju okolinu, ma daj molim te
Euthalia aconthea gurda
insekt imitira polustruhnuti list
imitira potpuno struhnuti list
imitacija zdravog lista
Kao u biciklu i masinama, pomocu koje kukac odskace simetricno
riba Wolftrap anglerfish(Vucija zamka riba) koja ima prirodni stap , silk, mamac i udic hvata ribe sa tim , kako je ona vidjela ribara na obali pa i onda odlucila se prilagoditi okolini pa da i onda pocne hvatat ribe kao ostali ribari pa evolvirala
lazne oci na gusjenicama DA PREPADNU PREDATORE
prelijepi dokazi inteligentnog dizajna
gusjenica sa laznim ocima da prepadnu predatore
leptir sa laznim ocima da prepada predatore
aligatorska Kornjaca sa laznim crvom u ustima i na taj nacin vara ribe da same dodju do usta
insekti koji imitiraju lisce
insekt imitira tanko drvce na grani
insekt imitira bodlje na drvetu
providan leptir imitira vecu zivotinju sa laznim okom
prskanje krvi iz oci na predatore da ih predapne
iranska zmija imitira laznog pauka na kraju repa i ptice se priblize i poslije ih hvata
MO-1 bakterija koja koristi 7 sihronizovani motora sa magnetnim orijentisanjem prema sjeveru
Spotlight loosejaw riba
koristi crveno svjeto kad trazi plijen sobzirom da druge ribe i rakovi nemogu da vide crvenu svjetlost, a zeleno svjetlo ispod crvenog svjetla koristi se kao mamac , i samo mi recite da je i ovo evolucija stvorila a ne Bog koji je osposobio zivotinje za zivot u raznim okolnostima. Kao sto vidite vilicu i usta moze da odvoji od svog tijela
hobotnica koja imitira druge zivotinje
I vrhunac transformacije zivotinje u biljku, hobotnica se u sekundi pretvori u biljku
Vi koji vjerujete u evoluciju, kako uopste mozete vjerovati u evoluciju da to samo od sebe slucajni dogadjajima se stvara, sve ovo????
Ja barem kad vidim ove fantasticne primjere iz prirode i jos kako je zemlja nastimana za zivot shvatam da ovo nemogu slucajni dogadjaji kreirati kao sto vi vjerujete, jedino da Bog kroz evoluciju to stvara ili da stvori zivotinju odjednom, kako god evolver mora biti prisutan da evolvira zivotinje inace evolucija nema logike kao sto fabrika bez inzinjera nema logike.
HardcoreMX wrote:
-Tvoj subjektivan sud, jesam li ili nisam li napisao,iako se uzme pod pretpostavkom da uopće govoriš istinu,u šta je teško povjerovati ,uprkos svemu dakle nije mjerodavan,jer naravno neće pripomoći nimalo objektivnosti diskusije,tako da ti je to totalno nebitna stavka za navoditi izuzev tebi malo zataškati ego.
samo da ovo stavim na vic dana, jer je subjektivno da li si nesto napisao ili nisi.
