Fasizam jos nije porazen

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TUŽILAŠTVO BIH
Pukovnik koji se dovodi u vezu s rušenjem “Aladže” optužen za zločine u Foči



Optuženi Marko Kovač tereti se za zločine počinjene nad žrtvama bošnjačke i hrvatske nacionalnosti sa područja Foče

Tužilac Posebnog odjela za ratne zločine Tužilaštva BiH podigao je optužnicu protiv Marka Kovača, rođenog 1935. godine u selu Mazoče, opština Foča, nastanjenog u Kragujevcu u Srbiji. Optuženi Kovač se tereti za zločine počinjene nad žrtvama bošnjačke i hrvatske nacionalnosti sa područja Foče, saopštili su danas iz Tužilaštva BiH, prenosi Anadolu Agency (AA).

Optuženi se tereti da je u periodu 1992. i 1993. godine, u vrijeme širokog i sistematičnog napada srpskih vojnih, paravojnih i policijskih snaga, usmjerenog protiv bošnjačkog i hrvatskog stanovništva opštine Foča, obavljajući dužnost komandanta Taktičke grupe Foča u okviru VRS, učestvovao u progonu i zločinima počinjenim nad civilnim stanovništvom.

Pukovnik Marko Kovač

Prema navodima optužnice, Kovač je vršio progon na način da je planirao, naredio, podstrekavao, pomagao u planiranju i pripremanju i činjenju krivičnih djela, te kao nadređena osoba znao da su zločini počinjeni ili da će biti počinjeni, te nije preduzeo mjere da spriječi zločine i kazni počinioce tih djela, naveli su iz Tužilaštva BiH.

Dodaje se da je u okviru progona počinjeno nezakonito zatvaranje više stotina civila u zatvoreničke centre u KPD Foča, Srednjoškolskom centru i u sportskoj dvorani “Partizan“, mučenje, prisilno preseljenje i deportacija stanovništva, ubistva i prisilni nestanak više od 190 osoba, silovanja, te druga nečovječna djela slične prirode učinjena u namjeri nanošenja velike patnje ili ozbiljne fizičke ili psihičke povrede ili narušavanja zdravlja, kao i paljenje i uništavanje kuća i imovine, te kulturno-istorijskih i vjerskih objekata.

Optuženi se tereti za krivično djelo zločini protiv čovječnosti, a navode optužnice tužilaštvo će dokazivati pozivanjem 139 svjedoka, te prilaganjem više stotina materijalnih dokaza. Optužnica je proslijeđena Sudu BiH, zaključili su iz Tužilaštva BiH.

Mojović: Pukovnik Kovač naredio rušenej Aladže

Podsjećamo, Goran Mojović, jedini kojem je potvrđena optužnica za rušenje Aladža džamije u Foči, direktno je optužio upravo pukovnika Kovača da je zajedno sa Kriznim štabom izdao naredbu za rušenje Aladža džamije.

S druge strane, pukovnik Kovač je u emisiji “Mreža” Federalne TV tvrdio da se Aladža “sama srušila” ili da je srušio “odavno mrtav čovjek”. U istoj emisiji objavljen je i snimljeni telefonski razgovor pukovnika Kovača u kojem on N. N. osobi govori kako za rušenje Aladže treba optužiti ljude koji nisu među živima jer “treba spašavati nas žive…” Pogledajte spomenuti prilog…

Napomena: Kliknite na link da pogledate VIDEO https://www.fokus.ba/vijesti/bih/pukovn ... i/1634330/

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KRVOLOK IZ FOČE POBJEGAO U KRAGUJEVAC: Pukovnik koji JE NAREDIO rušenje “Aladže” optužen za brutalne zločine...

Optuženi se tereti za krivično djelo zločini protiv čovječnosti, a navode optužnice tužilaštvo će dokazivati pozivanjem 139 svjedoka, te prilaganjem više stotina materijalnih dokaza. Optužnica je proslijeđena Sudu BiH, zaključili su iz Tužilaštva BiH.



Tužilac Posebnog odjela za ratne zločine Tužilaštva BiH podigao je optužnicu protiv Marka Kovača, rođenog 1935. godine u selu Mazoče, opština Foča, nastanjenog u Kragujevcu u Srbiji. Optuženi Kovač se tereti za zločine počinjene nad žrtvama bošnjačke i hrvatske nacionalnosti sa područja Foče, saopštili su danas iz Tužilaštva BiH, prenosi Anadolu Agency (AA).

SB.
Tu ce imati sigurnu zastitu.

[Hafis]

Na vakat. Srećom, tek su mu 84 godine tako da se neće moći vaditi na senilnost.

A ako požure s cijelim postupkom, možda i stigne odrobijati pola godine - godinu u kakvoj bolnici na teret države.

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A sta znamo, mozda se Vucic predomisli. Ima puno uhljeba koji su pobjegli iz BiH u Srbiju.

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A sta znamo, mozda se Vucic predomisli. Ima puno uhljeba koji su pobjegli iz BiH u Srbiju.

Nema izrucenja

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Znam da nema. Nego mislim puno je tamo takvih. Neki su nasli posao a neke izdrzava drzava. Da ih iz Srbije vracaju oni bi bjezali u Juznu Afriku ili u neku zemlju Juzne Amerike. Ovako su na sigurnom.

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PROFESOR KAMBEROVIĆ PORUČIO: "Formalno priznanje zločina i prihvatanje odgovornosti NIJE DOVOLJNO"

Njemačka kancelarka Angela Merkel posjetila je nedavno bivši nacistički koncentracioni logor Auschwitz-Birkenau u kojem je ubijeno više od milion ljudi tokom Drugog svjetskog rata. Profesor Husnija Kamberović kaže da je u ovom trenutku nerealno očekivati da primjer njemačke kancelarke slijedi neki od političara iz zemalja bivše Jugoslavije.



„Zauvijek ćemo imati odgovornost da se sjećamo ovih zločina. Moramo da budemo svjesni odgovornosti koja je dio našeg nacionalnog identiteta i samospoznaje kao slobodnog i demokratskog društva", kazala je Merkel prilikom posjete.

Historičar Husnija Kamberović kazao je danas da je nerealno očekivati da primjer njemačke kancelarke slijedi neki od političara iz zemalja bivše Jugoslavije.

„Mi gotovo svakodnevno svjedočimo da politički lideri iz svih postjugoslavenskih zemalja ne samo da nisu spremni prihvatiti odgovornost za zločine počinjene u ratu nego mnogi čak negiraju da su zločini uopće počinjeni, a logori se nazivaju sabiralištima i ne dopušta se niti njihovo obilježavanje kako bi se sačuvalo sjećanje na ta zla“, kaže Kamberović.

On dodaje da politički lideri na negiranju zločina traže i na izborima dobivaju podršku svojih birača, što pokazuje da naša društva još uvijek nisu dovoljno spremna da se suoče sa stvarnim zločinima počinjenim navodno u ime nacije.

„No, osim političara mislim da veliku odgovornost za postojeće stanje snosi i akademska zajednica koja mora učiniti puno više kako bi naša društva nadvladala prošlost. Međutim, moramo biti svjesni toga da formalno priznanje zločina i prihvatanje odgovornosti, čak i kada bi do toga došlo, nije dovoljno da se društvo s tim suoči, ali bi to svakako bio prvi važan korak. Bojim se, ipak, da smo od toga još uvijek jako daleko“, mišljenja je profesor Kamberović.

Pred svima nama je puno posla kako bi naša društva iznjedrila političare koji bi mogli iskreno iskazati kajanje i odgovornost za počinjene zločine. Vidjeli smo da su neki iskazali kajanje, ali se ubrzo pokazalo da je to bila samo varka, dodaje on.

Njemački ministar vanjskih poslova Heiko Maas kazao je povodom sve većeg porasta islamofobije i antisemitizma u Evropi da je glasnoća rasista i antisemita povezana s tišinom većine.

Na pitanje je li teško ili nemoguće očekivati da tišina većine, kako je naziva Maas, postane buka pa da nadjača glasnoću rasista, antisemita, islamofoba, Kamberović odgovara da populizam koji se širi svijetom pogoduje, ne uvijek u podjednakoj mjeri, jačanju rasizma, antisemitizma i islamofobije.

„Većina sada šuti, ali tom šutnjom zapravo podržavaju populizam i ohrabruju njegovo dalje jačanje sa svim negativnim posljedicama. Ne znam kada će se stvari promijeniti, ali bih rekao da ćemo na to još morati čekati“, kaže Kamberović.

Kakva su to društva koja se boje promrzlih migranata, a u svojim redovima u prve redove ili na istaknute pozicije stavljaju ljude osuđene za najteže oblike ratnih zločina?

„Problemi migranata nadilaze naše mogućnosti rješavanja, ali ono što mene šokira u ovoj situaciji je izostanak suosjećanja sa tim nesretnicima koji samo traže bolje uvjete života. Pogledajmo strašne scene z Bosanske krajine, iz Bihaća, sa Vučjaka, reagiranje stanovništva iz pojedinih krajeva Bosne i Hercegovine gdje se pokušava te migrante smjestiti. Svi znamo da Bosna i Hercegovina nije cilj migranata, da oni samo pokušavaju proći dalje na Zapad koji ih iz određenih razloga sada ostavlja ovdje u Bosni i Hercegovini. Ali, iako mi nismo „krivi“ za situaciju sa migrantima, kao ljudska bića moramo naći načina da tim ljudima pomognemo. Jer, izostanak našeg suosjećanja samo će dublje razarati naša društva i faktički stvarati plodno tlo za nova zla i nove zločine. A tada nam neće više biti ni bitno šta se dešava sa ranijim osuđenicima za ratne zločine“, smatra naš sagovornik.

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SAUČESNICA U GENOCIDU

SVIJET 20.12.2019.

Gambija je u utorak na Međunarodnom sudu pravde počela s iznošenjem argumenata protiv Mijanmara, kojeg tereti za genocid. Ova zapadnoafrička država zatražila je od Međunarodnog suda pravde “privremene mjere” za zaustavljanje daljeg nasilja nad Rohinja muslimanima u Arakanu.



Prije 28 godina, suprug i djeca burmanske političarke Aung San Suu Kyi primili su u njezino ime Nobelovu nagradu za mir u Oslu. Ona to nije mogla učiniti jer je bila u kućnom pritvoru zbog borbe protiv vojske koja je poništila pobjedu njene stranke na izborima 1990. godine.

U naredna dva desetljeća provela je 15 godina zatočena u svom domu a da nije vidjela svoju porodicu. Kad joj je suprug preminuo 1999. godine, nije se mogla ni pozdraviti s njim. Aung San Suu Kyi bila je cijenjena u cijelom svijetu kao ikona borbe za slobodu.

Njen politički ugled totalno je narušen saučesništvom u progonu muslimanskog naroda Rohinja. Između augusta i decembra 2017. godine više od 700.000 Rohinja prešlo je iz Mijanmara, nekadašnje Burme, u susjedni Bangladeš bježeći od ubistava. Izračunavši oko 10.000 mrtvih, UN‑ovo izvješće prošle je godine osudilo ovaj genocid i zatražilo suđenje za šest visokih vojnih dužnosnika pred sudom u Hagu.

Na isti dan kada se navršilo 28 godina od dana kada je dobila Nobelovu nagradu Aung San Suu Kyi pojavila se pred 17 sudija haškog suda u predmetu protiv Burme, koji je iznijela skupina muslimanskih zemalja.

Oslobođena 2010. iz kućnog pritvora, Suu Kyi vodila je svoju stranku do trijumfa na izborima održanim pet godina kasnije, ali ne može biti izabrana za predsjednicu zbog ustavnih ograničenja nametnutih od vojske koja ima ogromnu moć u zemlji. Iako nije bila obavezna prisustvovati sesiji u Hagu, “Dama”, kako joj je nadimak, otišla je tamo.

Unatoč obilju dokaza protiv vojske, Suu Kyi je sudu negirala genocid nad Rohinjama, definiravši događaje kao “antiterorističku operaciju”, kao odgovor akcije muslimanskih gerilaca u augustu 2017. godine. Ubrzo nakon toga, izbjeglice nagurane na granici s Bangladešom ispričale su o zločinima koje je počinila burmanska vojska, čiji su vojnici pucali po selima ubijajući muškarce, silujući žene i spalivši kolibe s bebama unutra.

Iako je Suu Kyi priznala da su počinjena zlostavljanja, rekla je da su krivci kažnjeni. No, istina je da su vojnici optuženi za počinjenje masakra već pušteni iz zatvora, a od njih su više vremena iza rešetaka proveli novinari agencije Reuters, koji su otkrili neka od ubistava.

Tvrdeći da bi “pomirenje moglo biti narušeno koracima koji stvaraju sumnju, podižu sumnje ili stvaraju ogorčenje među zajednicama koje počinju vraćati povjerenje”, zatražila je od Suda da slučaj povuče i odustane od definicije genocida. Budući da je to vrhovni sud UN-a, presuda protiv Burme mogla bi donijeti sankcije njezinoj naprednoj ekonomiji, što Suu Kyi želi izbjeći čak i ako to našteti njezinom imenu.

Unatoč tome što i dalje ima većinsku podršku u svojoj zemlji, njen je imidž narušen zbog njene kritike muslimana, zbog mržnje prema njima u većinski budističkom društvu. Rohinjama nije čak priznato ni državljanstvo Burme, iako su mnogi rođeni tamo, čak ni onima koji su podržavali Aung San Suu Kyi.

Gambija je u utorak na Međunarodnom sudu pravde počela s iznošenjem argumenata protiv Mijanmara, kojeg tereti za genocid. Ova zapadnoafrička država zatražila je od Međunarodnog suda pravde “privremene mjere” za zaustavljanje daljeg nasilja nad Rohinja muslimanima u Arakanu.

Suu Kyi je drugog dana saslušanja negirala genocid nad njima. Prošlog mjeseca Gambija je podnijela tužbu za genocid protiv Mijanmara na najvišem sudu UN-a, i to je korak koji je zajednica Rohinja nazvala “historijskim uspjehom”.

Događaji koji su dramu Rohinja muslimana stavili u žižu svjetske javnosti dogodili su se 25. augusta 2017. godine. Pod plaštom borbe protiv militantnih napada na policijske punktove, mijanmarska vojska i budistički militanti krenuli su tog dana u brutalne napade na Rohinje, u kojima je svirepo ubijeno više od 24.000 pripadnika te manjine.

Napadi su prerasli u klasični oblik etničkog čišćenja, a mijanmarska vojska spalila je stotine muslimanskih sela.

Iz te je regije više od 750.000 muslimana izbjeglo u susjedni Bangladeš.

https://stav.ba/saucesnica-u-genocidu/

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Je li poražen antifašizam ?

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Ko sve moze da dobije Nobelovu nagradu, okupira tudju zemlju, koristi njene resurse za svoj razvoj itd. govori nam da fasizam jos uvijek postoji a antifasizam je samo novi pojam sa malo boljim znacenjem.

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Evropa i zapad su jedna obicna kurva,da izvinete neki dan ovo nadjoh ,objavio ortodoksni jevrej:



Dva najveca zla po covjecanstvo (holokaust i krstasi) su dosli iz krscansckog zapadnog svijeta ne islamskog.I opet danas taj zapad nekome nesto prosipa,najvece zlo ikada koje je radjeno na planeti zemlji(holokaust) su oni odradli,cinjenica je da je poteklo iz njihove civilizacije,da je iz islamske nebi dan danas mogli zivjeti od toga,kome oni sta mogu reci? i evo nastavljaju ,ovo je samo mali primjer

znaci zasto se iko uzda u zapad i krscanski svijet?

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Ne zivimo u nikakvom drugom svijetu nego zapadnom. I nasljedje zapadne crkve je sveprisutno u nasim zivotima.

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Ne zivimo u nikakvom drugom svijetu nego zapadnom. I nasljedje zapadne crkve je sveprisutno u nasim zivotima.

Da i kao sto vidimo svugdje SU napravili problem svugdje je lose osim kod njih

Zavadi Pa vladaj,jevreji muslimani,hindusi muslimani itd itd

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Lijepo je pricati o antifasizmu, izjasnjavati se kao antifasista, ali tesko je prakticno biti antifasista. To pokazuje danasnje prilike u svijetu.

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Lijepo je pricati o antifasizmu, izjasnjavati se kao antifasista, ali tesko je prakticno biti antifasista. To pokazuje danasnje prilike u svijetu.

Da recimo prvi je ovaj forum,svi ovi antifasisti su najfasistickije izjave lupili o ovim migrantima

[Bloo]

Da recimo prvi je ovaj forum,svi ovi antifasisti su najfasistickije izjave lupili o ovim migrantima

Ti si onda fašista sa nefašističkim izjavama?

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Da recimo prvi je ovaj forum,svi ovi antifasisti su najfasistickije izjave lupili o ovim migrantima

Ti si onda fašista sa nefašističkim izjavama?

Svako je antifasista prema onima koji njemu gode,,evo neki vjernici imaju mozda fasisticke izjave prema srbima a ateisti su se tu pokazali pravim antifasistima,dok recimo kada su dosle izbjeglice muslimanske tada su ateisti imali rijecnik klasican za ultra desnicare zapada(ovdje pricam SAMO o Bosni,na zapadu ateisti gejevi itd su bili najveca podrska muslimanima vjerovali ili ne,i ako ih muslimani ne gotive)

[Bloo]

Da recimo prvi je ovaj forum,svi ovi antifasisti su najfasistickije izjave lupili o ovim migrantima

Ti si onda fašista sa nefašističkim izjavama?

Svako je antifasista prema onima koji njemu gode,,evo neki vjernici imaju mozda fasisticke izjave prema srbima a ateisti su se tu pokazali pravim antifasistima,dok recimo kada su dosle izbjeglice muslimanske tada su ateisti imali rijecnik klasican za ultra desnicare zapada

Skaka jesil to ti?

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Ti si onda fašista sa nefašističkim izjavama?

Svako je antifasista prema onima koji njemu gode,,evo neki vjernici imaju mozda fasisticke izjave prema srbima a ateisti su se tu pokazali pravim antifasistima,dok recimo kada su dosle izbjeglice muslimanske tada su ateisti imali rijecnik klasican za ultra desnicare zapada

Skaka jesil to ti?

ovo je istina,zato sam ti prije neko vrijeme rekla da u Bosni nema ljevicara i desnicara kao na zapadu,jer ovdje ljevicar odjednom preko noci postane desnicar i obrnuto,dok na zapadu ko podrzava najvise imigrante? pa ljevicarske partije,socijaldemokrati itd

[Bloo]

Svako je antifasista prema onima koji njemu gode,,evo neki vjernici imaju mozda fasisticke izjave prema srbima a ateisti su se tu pokazali pravim antifasistima,dok recimo kada su dosle izbjeglice muslimanske tada su ateisti imali rijecnik klasican za ultra desnicare zapada

Skaka jesil to ti?

ovo je istina,zato sam ti prije neko vrijeme rekla da u Bosni nema ljevicara i desnicara kao na zapadu,jer ovdje ljevicar odjednom preko noci postane desnicar i obrnuto,dok na zapadu ko podrzava najvise imigrante? pa ljevicarske partije,socijaldemokrati itd

Ova slika nabolje opisuje tvoje trolanje. vjernici, Srbi, ateisti, muslimanske izbjeglice....fali još samo svekrva.

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After Monsey, Will Jews Go Underground? - The Atlantic

December 29, 2019
Ideas
Jews Are Going Underground

A month of terrible anti-Semitic attacks culminated with a stabbing yesterday of multiple people at a Hanukkah celebration at a rabbi’s home in Monsey, New York.

Deborah Lipstadt
Orthodox Jews near the scene of a late-Saturday stabbing
Associated Press
In a month of terrible anti-Semitic attacks, including a stabbing yesterday of multiple people at a Hanukkah celebration at a rabbi’s home in Monsey, New York, the news that most depressed me did not involve violence. It was not something done to Jews but something Jews did. A synagogue in the Netherlands is no longer publicly posting the times of prayer services. If you want to join a service, you have to know someone who is a member of the community.

Do not misunderstand me. I was and am in a fury over the multiple assaults, culminating in the Monsey attack, which was the worst since the murders in Jersey City, which, some readers might not realize, was less than three weeks ago.

In Europe and the United States, Jews have been repeatedly assaulted on the street. Tombstones were desecrated in Slovakia. In London, anti-Semitic graffiti was painted on synagogues and Jewish-owned stores. A Belgian daily newspaper accused a lawmaker who is Jewish of being a spy for Israel. A Polish town refused to install small brass plates that commemorate Holocaust victims. In Italy, the town of Schio did the same because, the mayor said, they would be “divisive.” (Divisive to whom?) This intolerance is coming from right-wing extremists, progressive leftists, and other minorities who, themselves, are often the object of persecution. Anti-Semites seem to think it is open season on Jews. And maybe, given the many incidents, they are right.

So why has the news that a synagogue in the Netherlands stopped posting the time of services upset me above all? Because it is vivid proof that anti-Semitism is driving Jews underground in the West.

For some time now, many kippah-wearing Jews have adopted the habit of wearing baseball caps when visiting Europe. Young people think twice before wearing Israeli-flag T-shirts when they wander the streets of Paris. Or before carrying a backpack with the name of their Jewish youth group prominently displayed. A number of years ago, I met a Jewish woman from Brussels who told me that she had asked her teenage children not to wear their Jewish-star necklaces in public. She acknowledged that she was embarrassed to have asked them and relieved when they agreed.

During a trip to Berlin, a friend gave me directions to an out-of-the-way synagogue. After some intricate explanations, he added that if I got lost, I should look for police on the street with submachine guns. “That,” he noted, “would be the entrance to the synagogue.” But I should also keep watch for men in baseball caps and follow them. “They will lead you to the synagogue.” I did get lost, and followed some men in baseball caps as instructed. I was relieved when I saw the police. I had found it.

For many years, Jews have known that when visiting a European synagogue, they must bring their passport with them and expect to be interrogated by guards outside the door. I now call ahead to let a synagogue know that I am coming. And that does not always guarantee entry. A few years ago, I was turned away from a synagogue in Rome.

Jews have been living defensively for a long time. But when a synagogue, as a precaution, decides not to post the time of services, we have reached a new level. In Spain in the 15th century, many Jews sought safety from persecution by converting to Christianity but secretly maintained their Jewish practices. They lit Shabbat candles in inner reaches of their homes where no one from the street could see, and eschewed eating pork or shellfish. They became what Spaniards called Marranos, a term of degradation comparable in some ways to kike. Some Jews who converted did not maintain the traditions. This did not, of course, guarantee their safety when the Church, state authorities, and the mob began to seek out Marranos for persecution.

I use the term, however reluctantly, because it captures what I am seeing today. Most Jewish students on American campuses have not been subjected to overt acts of discrimination or verbal abuse. But many among them feel they have something to lose if they openly identify as Jews. If they are active in Hillel, the Jewish student organization, they may be informally barred from being active in progressive causes—for example, racial and LGBTQ equality, climate-change mitigation, and the fight against sexual assault. Those who want to be elected to student government are learning to scrub their résumés clean of any overtly Jewish or pro-Israel activities. They are not abandoning their Jewish identity; they are hiding it. They have become Marranos.

When Jews feel it is safer for them to go “underground” as Jews, something is terribly wrong—wrong for them and, even more so, wrong for the society in which they live. Jews have taken and are taking anti-Semitism very seriously. Non-Jews must do the same.

You must do so, not solely for the sake of the well-being of your Jewish neighbors, friends, and fellow citizens. (Though that would be laudable.) You must do so for the sake of the well-being of the societies in which you live. No healthy democracy can afford to tolerate anti-Semitism in its midst. It is one of the long-term signs of rot in that democracy. If you care about democracy, you should care about the Jews among you, and the anti-Semites too.

Sretno rodjaci.

[CPT]

After Monsey, Will Jews Go Underground? - The Atlantic

December 29, 2019
Ideas
Jews Are Going Underground

A month of terrible anti-Semitic attacks culminated with a stabbing yesterday of multiple people at a Hanukkah celebration at a rabbi’s home in Monsey, New York.

Deborah Lipstadt
Orthodox Jews near the scene of a late-Saturday stabbing
Associated Press
In a month of terrible anti-Semitic attacks, including a stabbing yesterday of multiple people at a Hanukkah celebration at a rabbi’s home in Monsey, New York, the news that most depressed me did not involve violence. It was not something done to Jews but something Jews did. A synagogue in the Netherlands is no longer publicly posting the times of prayer services. If you want to join a service, you have to know someone who is a member of the community.

Do not misunderstand me. I was and am in a fury over the multiple assaults, culminating in the Monsey attack, which was the worst since the murders in Jersey City, which, some readers might not realize, was less than three weeks ago.

In Europe and the United States, Jews have been repeatedly assaulted on the street. Tombstones were desecrated in Slovakia. In London, anti-Semitic graffiti was painted on synagogues and Jewish-owned stores. A Belgian daily newspaper accused a lawmaker who is Jewish of being a spy for Israel. A Polish town refused to install small brass plates that commemorate Holocaust victims. In Italy, the town of Schio did the same because, the mayor said, they would be “divisive.” (Divisive to whom?) This intolerance is coming from right-wing extremists, progressive leftists, and other minorities who, themselves, are often the object of persecution. Anti-Semites seem to think it is open season on Jews. And maybe, given the many incidents, they are right.

So why has the news that a synagogue in the Netherlands stopped posting the time of services upset me above all? Because it is vivid proof that anti-Semitism is driving Jews underground in the West.

For some time now, many kippah-wearing Jews have adopted the habit of wearing baseball caps when visiting Europe. Young people think twice before wearing Israeli-flag T-shirts when they wander the streets of Paris. Or before carrying a backpack with the name of their Jewish youth group prominently displayed. A number of years ago, I met a Jewish woman from Brussels who told me that she had asked her teenage children not to wear their Jewish-star necklaces in public. She acknowledged that she was embarrassed to have asked them and relieved when they agreed.

During a trip to Berlin, a friend gave me directions to an out-of-the-way synagogue. After some intricate explanations, he added that if I got lost, I should look for police on the street with submachine guns. “That,” he noted, “would be the entrance to the synagogue.” But I should also keep watch for men in baseball caps and follow them. “They will lead you to the synagogue.” I did get lost, and followed some men in baseball caps as instructed. I was relieved when I saw the police. I had found it.

For many years, Jews have known that when visiting a European synagogue, they must bring their passport with them and expect to be interrogated by guards outside the door. I now call ahead to let a synagogue know that I am coming. And that does not always guarantee entry. A few years ago, I was turned away from a synagogue in Rome.

Jews have been living defensively for a long time. But when a synagogue, as a precaution, decides not to post the time of services, we have reached a new level. In Spain in the 15th century, many Jews sought safety from persecution by converting to Christianity but secretly maintained their Jewish practices. They lit Shabbat candles in inner reaches of their homes where no one from the street could see, and eschewed eating pork or shellfish. They became what Spaniards called Marranos, a term of degradation comparable in some ways to kike. Some Jews who converted did not maintain the traditions. This did not, of course, guarantee their safety when the Church, state authorities, and the mob began to seek out Marranos for persecution.

I use the term, however reluctantly, because it captures what I am seeing today. Most Jewish students on American campuses have not been subjected to overt acts of discrimination or verbal abuse. But many among them feel they have something to lose if they openly identify as Jews. If they are active in Hillel, the Jewish student organization, they may be informally barred from being active in progressive causes—for example, racial and LGBTQ equality, climate-change mitigation, and the fight against sexual assault. Those who want to be elected to student government are learning to scrub their résumés clean of any overtly Jewish or pro-Israel activities. They are not abandoning their Jewish identity; they are hiding it. They have become Marranos.

When Jews feel it is safer for them to go “underground” as Jews, something is terribly wrong—wrong for them and, even more so, wrong for the society in which they live. Jews have taken and are taking anti-Semitism very seriously. Non-Jews must do the same.

You must do so, not solely for the sake of the well-being of your Jewish neighbors, friends, and fellow citizens. (Though that would be laudable.) You must do so for the sake of the well-being of the societies in which you live. No healthy democracy can afford to tolerate anti-Semitism in its midst. It is one of the long-term signs of rot in that democracy. If you care about democracy, you should care about the Jews among you, and the anti-Semites too.

Sretno rodjaci.

i opet relativizacija i skretanje sa pravog problema...

[sadie_forever]

After Monsey, Will Jews Go Underground? - The Atlantic

December 29, 2019
Ideas
Jews Are Going Underground

A month of terrible anti-Semitic attacks culminated with a stabbing yesterday of multiple people at a Hanukkah celebration at a rabbi’s home in Monsey, New York.

Deborah Lipstadt
Orthodox Jews near the scene of a late-Saturday stabbing
Associated Press
In a month of terrible anti-Semitic attacks, including a stabbing yesterday of multiple people at a Hanukkah celebration at a rabbi’s home in Monsey, New York, the news that most depressed me did not involve violence. It was not something done to Jews but something Jews did. A synagogue in the Netherlands is no longer publicly posting the times of prayer services. If you want to join a service, you have to know someone who is a member of the community.

Do not misunderstand me. I was and am in a fury over the multiple assaults, culminating in the Monsey attack, which was the worst since the murders in Jersey City, which, some readers might not realize, was less than three weeks ago.

In Europe and the United States, Jews have been repeatedly assaulted on the street. Tombstones were desecrated in Slovakia. In London, anti-Semitic graffiti was painted on synagogues and Jewish-owned stores. A Belgian daily newspaper accused a lawmaker who is Jewish of being a spy for Israel. A Polish town refused to install small brass plates that commemorate Holocaust victims. In Italy, the town of Schio did the same because, the mayor said, they would be “divisive.” (Divisive to whom?) This intolerance is coming from right-wing extremists, progressive leftists, and other minorities who, themselves, are often the object of persecution. Anti-Semites seem to think it is open season on Jews. And maybe, given the many incidents, they are right.

So why has the news that a synagogue in the Netherlands stopped posting the time of services upset me above all? Because it is vivid proof that anti-Semitism is driving Jews underground in the West.

For some time now, many kippah-wearing Jews have adopted the habit of wearing baseball caps when visiting Europe. Young people think twice before wearing Israeli-flag T-shirts when they wander the streets of Paris. Or before carrying a backpack with the name of their Jewish youth group prominently displayed. A number of years ago, I met a Jewish woman from Brussels who told me that she had asked her teenage children not to wear their Jewish-star necklaces in public. She acknowledged that she was embarrassed to have asked them and relieved when they agreed.

During a trip to Berlin, a friend gave me directions to an out-of-the-way synagogue. After some intricate explanations, he added that if I got lost, I should look for police on the street with submachine guns. “That,” he noted, “would be the entrance to the synagogue.” But I should also keep watch for men in baseball caps and follow them. “They will lead you to the synagogue.” I did get lost, and followed some men in baseball caps as instructed. I was relieved when I saw the police. I had found it.

For many years, Jews have known that when visiting a European synagogue, they must bring their passport with them and expect to be interrogated by guards outside the door. I now call ahead to let a synagogue know that I am coming. And that does not always guarantee entry. A few years ago, I was turned away from a synagogue in Rome.

Jews have been living defensively for a long time. But when a synagogue, as a precaution, decides not to post the time of services, we have reached a new level. In Spain in the 15th century, many Jews sought safety from persecution by converting to Christianity but secretly maintained their Jewish practices. They lit Shabbat candles in inner reaches of their homes where no one from the street could see, and eschewed eating pork or shellfish. They became what Spaniards called Marranos, a term of degradation comparable in some ways to kike. Some Jews who converted did not maintain the traditions. This did not, of course, guarantee their safety when the Church, state authorities, and the mob began to seek out Marranos for persecution.

I use the term, however reluctantly, because it captures what I am seeing today. Most Jewish students on American campuses have not been subjected to overt acts of discrimination or verbal abuse. But many among them feel they have something to lose if they openly identify as Jews. If they are active in Hillel, the Jewish student organization, they may be informally barred from being active in progressive causes—for example, racial and LGBTQ equality, climate-change mitigation, and the fight against sexual assault. Those who want to be elected to student government are learning to scrub their résumés clean of any overtly Jewish or pro-Israel activities. They are not abandoning their Jewish identity; they are hiding it. They have become Marranos.

When Jews feel it is safer for them to go “underground” as Jews, something is terribly wrong—wrong for them and, even more so, wrong for the society in which they live. Jews have taken and are taking anti-Semitism very seriously. Non-Jews must do the same.

You must do so, not solely for the sake of the well-being of your Jewish neighbors, friends, and fellow citizens. (Though that would be laudable.) You must do so for the sake of the well-being of the societies in which you live. No healthy democracy can afford to tolerate anti-Semitism in its midst. It is one of the long-term signs of rot in that democracy. If you care about democracy, you should care about the Jews among you, and the anti-Semites too.

Sretno rodjaci.

Jevreji i muslimani nisu rodjaci vec braca,citajuci o judaizmu ne vidjeh neku razliku u monoteizmu ,sto je osnovna vjere.To se ne moze reci za krscanstvo koje sa svojim vjerovanje maltene spadaju pod musrike(mnogobozce)

Cak i jevrejski historijski ucenjaci neki (i ako arogantno) smatraju da je islam dosao jer je Bog htio da da i obicnim ljudima sansu da dodju do Njega,jer judaizam ne prima konvertite Zidovi smiju da mole u dzamiji,ne smiju u crkvi

to sto nas je Palestine Izrael konflikt zavadio je tragedija,ali i to je krscanski zapad krivio je moj stav!

[sinuhe]

To sto je neko zrtva ne cini ga antifasistom. Isto vazi i za samoproglasene pravednike.

[Bloo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religion ... sion.shtml

Not all Jewish conversions are accepted by all Jews. The more Orthodox a community is the less likely it is to accept a conversion done in a more liberal movement.

Orthodox Jews usually don't accept the validity of conversions done by non-Orthodox institutions - because many Orthodox Jewish communities do not accept that non-Orthodox rabbis have valid rabbinical status.

Ipak ima ....

joj sadeta bona...