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austrijanac_mizes
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5okraka wrote:
jeza u ledja wrote:
5okraka wrote: Znaci dolazimo do zakljucka da je Amerika iskljucivo u Irak otisla da oslobodi narod od ''diktatora'' ? :roll:
Dosao si do pogresnog zakljucka.

Jedno je zelja, drugo su lazi, trece je stvarnost.
Nisam rekao da su zbog toga zapoceli rat, rekao sam da je to ishod rata.
Drug to je vise bio sarkazam ! Nego me interesuje kad ce Amerika poslati trupe u Kongo, tamo je na djelu najveci genocid poslije drugog svjetskog rata. Mozda su ovi arapi bitniji faktor u svijetu, a za crnce u Kongu nikog nije briga ?

Daj mislim, svi znamo koji je glavni i jedini cilj okupacije arapskih zemalja.
Jedno je zelja, drugo su lazi, trece je stvarnost.
Nisam rekao da su zbog toga zapoceli rat, rekao sam da je to ishod rata.[/quote]

Drug to je vise bio sarkazam ! Nego me interesuje kad ce Amerika poslati trupe u Kongo, tamo je na djelu najveci genocid poslije drugog svjetskog rata. Mozda su ovi arapi bitniji faktor u svijetu, a za crnce u Kongu nikog nije briga ?

Daj mislim, svi znamo koji je glavni i jedini cilj okupacije arapskih zemalja.[/quote]


Evo ja ne znam, prosvijetli me?

Zanimljivo je saznati da su arapske zemlje do sad živjele u slobodi. Kad kažeš zemlje, vjerovatno misliš i na Egipat. Libiju, Tunis, Maroko...
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KatarinaKosaca wrote:
jeza u ledja wrote:Valjda imas toliku zelju biti moralni autoritet pa ne mozes shvatiti kad se neko u sustini s tobom slaze.
Nisam, bolan bitna ja :D Ne analiziram ni ja tebe. Nego, ne razumijem, jel do nafte, ili nije do nafte? Zato što su dva tvoja citata koja sam navela kontradikrotna.
Do mnogo toga, ali prekomplikovano u tvom slucaju, jer kako tebi ljudi koji misle da je betoven pas mogu nesto objasniti?
Na kraju krajeva cudno je da ljudi koji misle da je betoven pas izmisle uredjaj na kojem lijecis svoje komplekse, a oni koji znaju da je Betoven kompozitor imaju problem sa svime osim sa trazenjem dlake u jajetu!
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austrijanac_mizes wrote:
jeza u ledja wrote:Moje misljenje.
Intervencija u Bosni bi bila opravdana.
Intervencija u Libiji je opravdana.
Intervencija u Iraku nije.

Sva tri odgovora zbog 3 razlicita razloga.

Reći ću samo da se u potpunosti slažem s tobom.

Rat u Iraku je po svom besmislu i štetnosti nadmašio i čak onaj u Vijetnamu, a ne treba ni govoriti kakvo je pogubne posljedice imalo po američku ekonomiju.

Čak je i intervencija u Vijetnamu bila daleko racionalnija i opravdanija od one iračka.
Mislim da si skroz profulo ovdje. Vijetnam je bio greska od pocetka do kraja, i zavrsio je kao komunisticka zemlja, s tim sto nije prouzrokovao domino efekat.
Irak je bio greska u pocetku, ali su se tokom tog svog sranja ovi pribrali.
O tome je li Irak bio greska moci cemo pricati za 20-40 godina. Ako Irak postane funkcionalna demokratija cisto sumnjam da ce iracani odreci se toga zarad nekog inata protiv amerikanaca.
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Ovi sto brane Ameriku trebaju procitati sljedecu analizu:
Creative Destruction Part III:
Humanitarian Neo-colonialism:
Framing Libya and Reframing War

By F. William Engdahl, 3 May 2011
The most remarkable facet of NATO's war against Libya is the fact that "world opinion," that ever
so nebulous thing, has accepted an act of overt military aggression against a sovereign country
guilty of no violation of the UN Charter in an act of de facto neo-colonialism, a 'humanitarian' war
in violation of basic precepts of the laws of nations. The world has accepted it without realizing the
implications if the war against Gaddafi’s Libya is allowed to succeed in forced regime change. At
issue is not whether or not Gaddafi is good or evil. At issue is the very concept of the civilized law
of nations and of just or unjust wars.
The Libya campaign represents the attempt to force application of a dangerous new concept into
the norms of accepted international law. That concept is what is termed by its creators,
“Responsibility to Protect.”
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon has stated that the justification for the use of force in Libya was
based on humanitarian grounds, and referred to the principle known as Responsibility to Protect, “a
new international security and human rights norm to address the international community’s failure
to prevent and stop genocides, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity.”i
An American President, Barack Obama, has invoked this novel new concept as justification for what
is de facto an unlawful US-led military war of aggression and acquisition.
ii
Secretary of State Hillary
Clinton as Presidential candidate in 2008 said about the concept: "In adopting the principle of the
responsibilty to protect, the United Nations accepted the principle that mass atrocities that take
place in one state are the concern of all states."iii
Nice words and highly dangerous. According to
White House insider reports, the key person driving Obama to move to military action in Libya,
citing a nebulous "Responsibility to Protect" as the basis was Presidential Adviser, Samantha
Power.
iv
In effect, via the instrument of a controlled NATO propaganda barrage, the US government with
no verifiable proof claimed Gaddafi's air force slaughtered innocent civilians. That in turn has been
the basis on which Amr Moussa and members of the Arab League bowed down before heavy
Washington pressure to give Washington and London the quasi-legal fig leaf it needed. That
unproven slaughter of allegedly innocent civilians was why a "humanitarian" war was necessary.
On that basis, we might ask why not put a no-fly NATO bombardment operation as well on Bahrain,
or Yemen, or Syria? Who decides the criteria in this new terrain of Responsibility to Protect?
There has been no serious effort on the side of Washington or London or Paris to negotiate a
ceasefire inside Libya, no effort to find a compromise as in other countries. This is the marvelous
flexibility of the new doctrine of Responsibility to Protect. Washington gets to define who is
responsible for what. National sovereignty becomes a relic.
Back in 2004 George Soros authored a little-noted article in Foreign Policy magazine on the notion
of national sovereignty. He wrote,
"Sovereignty is an anachronistic concept originating in bygone times when society consisted of
rulers and subjects, not citizens. It became the cornerstone of international relations with the
Treaty of Westphalia in 1648...Today, though not all nation-states are democratically accountable
to their citizens, the principle of sovereignty stands in the way of outside intervention in the
internal affairs of nation-states. But true sovereignty belongs to the people, who in turn delegate it
to their governments. If governments abuse the authority entrusted to them and citizens have no
opportunity to correct such abuses, outside interference is justified."
vResponsibility to Protect
The coup represented by the NATO intervention into events in Libya has been years in assiduous
preparation. The first to publicize the concept, “The Responsibility to Protect,” was Gareth Evans, a
former Australian Foreign Minister and CEO of the International Crisis Group.
In 2002, one year before the illegal US-UK aggression against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, Evans
published a seminal paper in Foreign Affairs, the elite foreign policy journal of the New York Council
on Foreign Relations.
vi
In his article Evans called for the debate on whether or not to intervene into a given country on
human rights grounds, even if the events are strictly internal to that country, to be "reframed not
as an argument about the 'right to intervene' but about the 'responsibility to protect.' "vii

That clever linguistic "reframing" created a necessary blurring of lines of the original UN Charter
Principle of sovereign equality of states, of Article 2, Section 1 of the Charter. There was a very
sound reason that the founding nations signing the UN Charter in 1946 decided to exclude UN
police intervention into internal disputes of a sovereign state.
Who should now decide which side in a given conflict is right? Under "responsibility to protect"
essentially the United States and a few select allies could potentially define China as in violation of
the human rights of its Tibetan or other ethnic minority citizens and order NATO troops to
intervene in a humanitarian action. Or NATO might decide to intervene into the internal unrest in
Chechnya, an integral part of the Russian Federation, because Moscow troops are attempting to
enforce order over insurgents being secretly armed by NATO via Al Qaeda or Mujahideen networks
in Central Asia. Or a similar "humanitarian" excusemight be used to call for a NATO no-fly zone
over Belarus or Ukraine or Venezuela or Bolivia or perhaps at some point, Brazil.
The so-called humanitarian "responsibility to protect" doctrine opens a Pandora's Box of
possibilities for those powers controlling world opinion via CNN or BBC or key media such as the
New York Times, to justify a de facto neo-colonial policy of military intervention. This is the real
significance of what Gareth Evans blithely terms "reframing."
Framing as deliberate manipulation
In mass media framing is a very well-researched subject. The technique refers to a technique of
manipulating an individual's emotional reaction or more accurately, his or her perception of
meanings of words or phrases. When the Republican Party sought to get support for a huge tax cut
for the wealthy on inheritances, something people like Bill Gates or Warren Buffett found relevant
to keeping their billions, the Bush Administration reframed the term inheritance taxes to become
"death taxes," making it subtly seem like something everyone who ultimately dies should support—
only the wealthy inherit, but everyone dies became the subtle reframed message.
A rhetorical phrase is packaged thus to encourage a certain interpretation and to discourage
others. Two authorities on framing, Susan Fiske and Shelley Taylor identify why framing is so
remarkably powerful as a tool to manipulate perception. It creates a mental "shortcut." According
to them, human beings are by nature “cognitive misers”, meaning they prefer to do as little
thinking as possible. Frames give us a quick and easy way to process information. Hence, people
will use the previously mentioned mental filters to make sense of incoming messages. As Fiske and
Taylor note, this gives the sender and framer of the information enormous power to use these
schemas to influence how the receivers will interpret the message.
viii
What is emerging, with the aggression against Libya as a major test case in the reframing of
military intervention as responsibility to protect, is acceptance of radical new forms of US-
orchestrated military intervention, with or without UN Security Council sanction, a radical new form
of neo-colonialism, a major new step on the road to a New World Order, the Pentagon's much-
sought Full Spectrum Dominance.
Those ever-present NGOs
The steering organization for embedding the nebulous notion of responsibility to protect is another
of the ever-present Non-Governmental Organizations, this one called the Global Centre for the
Responsibility to Protect. It in turn, much like the famous wooden Russian dolls, was created by other human rights NGOs including by the International Crisis Group, Human Rights Watch, Oxfam
International, Refugees International, typically financed by a small network of donors.
ix

Gareth Evans is co-chair of the Global Centre for the Responsibility to Protect 's International
Advisory Board, as well as being President Emeritus of the International Crisis Group which he led
from 2000 to 2009.
Evans' International Crisis Group which once described itself humbly as "widely regarded as the
world's leading independent, non-government source of information, analysis and advice to
governments and international organisations on conflict issues,” is hardly a voice of independence
or democracy. It is a creation of the leading Washington policy circles pledged to advance an
agenda the Pentagon calls Full Spectrum Dominance, which I referred to in an earlier book as
"Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order."
x

In addition to getting government funds from the US and UK governments, Evans' International
Crisis Group also gets generous support from the Rockefeller, Ford and MacArthur foundations.
xi
George Soros, founder of the Open Society Institute sits on the ICG Board of Trustees.
xii
Until he
made his dramatic and well-timed return to Egypt in January 2011, Mohamed El Baradei also sat
on the board of the Brussels-based ICG.
xiii
The ICG was previously headed by Zbigniew Brzezinski, adviser to US presidents and long-time
associate of David Rockefeller. Among other leading figures linked to Evans' International Crisis
Group have been founder, Morton Abramowitz, former board member of the National Endowment
for Democracy.
xiv
The present chair of ICG is Thomas Pickering, former US Ambassador to Moscow and to El Salvator
where he was accused of backing creation of death squads. ICG's board also includes General
Wesley Clark, former NATO-commander who led the destruction of Yugoslavia in 1999 and Samuel
Berger, former US National Security Advisor. Former NATO Secretary General, Lord Robertson of
Port Ellen is also a member.
xv
This should cause at least some perceptive readers to rethink what
Evans' agenda of Responsibility to Protect is really about.
Evans' Global Centre for the Responsibility to Protect, in addition to being active in North Africa and
the Middle East, is also directly active in Asia from their center in Australia.
In short they are making major efforts to propandagize the notion of responsibility to protect under
the guize of protecting various populations from what they define as "genocide, war crimes, ethnic
cleansing and crimes against humanity..."
xvi
The world community is being subtly brainwashed to
accept the radical new proposition with nary a peep of serious opposition.
As Michael Barker, an Australian analyst of the use of humanitarian rhetoric and US-based NGOs to
advance a Washington agenda noted, "Perhaps if 'evil' Qaddafi had been a bona fide US-backed
dictator...the US government could have exerted more influence over Qaddafi’s political choices,
and encouraged him to back down and allow himself to be replaced with a suitably US friendly
leader. However, it is precisely because Qaddafi is not a Western-backed dictator that external
powers cannot force his hand so easily: this helps explain why the world’s leading...elites were so
keen to use the humanitarian pretext to support his opponents in the civil war."
xvii
It sets a
dangerous precedent indeed, as many nations are now beginning to realize. i
Ban Ki-Moon, cited in Omri Ceren, “Responsibility To Protect,” Not Remotely New, March 20, 2011,
Commentary.
ii
Bonney Kapp, Obama's Libya Speech: The Highlights, March 28, 2011, CNN, accessed in
http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03 ... ighlights/.
iii
Hillary Clinton, 2008 Presidential Aide Questionnaire, accessed in
http://globalsolutions.org/08orbust/pcq/clinton.
iv
Indira A.R. Lakshmanan and Hans Nichols, Samantha Power Brings Activist Role Inside to Help
Persuade Obama on Libya, Bloomberg News, March 25, 2011.
v
George Soros, The Peoples' Sovereignty: How a new twist on an old idea can protect the world's most
vulnerable populations, New York, Foreign Policy, January 1, 2004, accessed in
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... overeignty.
vi
Gareth Evans and Mohamed Sahnoun, The Responsibility to Protect, Foreign Affairs, Vol.81, no.6,
November/December 2002. pp. 99-110.
vii
Ibid.
viii
S.T. Fiske, and S.E. Taylor, Social Cognition (2nd ed.), 1991, New York, McGraw-Hill.
ix
Global Centre for the Responsibility to Protect, Who We Are, accessed in
http://globalr2p.org/whoweare/index.php
x
F. William Engdahl, Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order,
Wiesbaden, 2009, edition.engdahl.
xi
Jan Oberg, The International Crisis Group: Who Pays the Piper?, The Transnational Foundation for
Peace and Future Research, Press Info #219, 15 April 2005, accessed in http://www.hartford-
hwp.com/archives/27a/201.html
xii
International Crisis Group Website, accessed in http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/about/board.aspx
xiii
Ibid.
xiv
Ibid.
xv
Ibid.
xvi
Global Centre for the Responsibility to Protect, Who We Are, accessed in
http://globalr2p.org/whoweare/index.php.
xvii
Michael Barker, Stephen Zunes, Libya, and Seemingly Moral Imperatives, March 31, 2011, accessed in
http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/03/zu ... onviolent-
alternatives/comment-page-1/#comment-24720.
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Gledam snimak na kome "pobunjenik" pod imenom Ueribi govori da je licno on ubio Gadafija i cak pokazuje prsten i jaknu koje su mu pripadali. Sad je on tamo glavni Dzek! Iduci korak je nakon sedam - osam godina, taj isti Ueribi uzima Fahriju Karkina za advokata i u "novonastalom demokratskom sudstvu" biva oslobodjen optuzbe da je ubio covjeka. Nakon toga nastavlja da radi ono sto je do sada radio tj. bavi se kriminalom i na kraju Ueribi biva ubijen u obracunu medju svojom rajom tj. kriminalcima. Sto bi rekli u mom selu dejà vu!
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Respekt za Gadafija u posljednjim trenucima života! Ja koliko sam čuo i vidio uzvikivao je Bog je veliki = Alahu egber!
A onda ga je oblila krv po glavi i dotukli su ga masovnim kundačenjem!

El-Fatiha!

Poželjeće Libijci da im se Gadafi vrati, al' u drugu ruku sjetim se da je u svoj šator primao i Lilića, Šešelja,...tokom rata u Bosni,...

U treću ruku, skoro pola Bosne je izgradilo privatne kuće, hoću reći radnici obični, radeći na njegovim projektima i primajući platu od njega.

Nešto kao Tito, i dobar i loš, ali više dobar.
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KENJAC wrote:Gledam snimak na kome "pobunjenik" pod imenom Ueribi govori da je licno on ubio Gadafija i cak pokazuje prsten i jaknu koje su mu pripadali. Sad je on tamo glavni Dzek! Iduci korak je nakon sedam - osam godina, taj isti Ueribi uzima Fahriju Karkina za advokata i u "novonastalom demokratskom sudstvu" biva oslobodjen optuzbe da je ubio covjeka. Nakon toga nastavlja da radi ono sto je do sada radio tj. bavi se kriminalom i na kraju Ueribi biva ubijen u obracunu medju svojom rajom tj. kriminalcima. Sto bi rekli u mom selu dejà vu!
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :( dejà vu! :(
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Baudelaire wrote:
austrijanac_mizes wrote:
Baudelaire wrote:A da li Ježu, to što neće opljačkati naftu do kraja, ipak opravdava njihovo ulazak u tuđu zemlju?

Da li bi amrerička intervencija da se desila 92. u Bosni opravdavala ulazak u tuđu zemlju?

Pitam onako radi dosljednosti?
Da li je u Bosni i Hercegovini bilo isto ono što je bilo u Libiji, ili je možda suverenu zemlju, Bosnu i Hercegovinu, napao agresor?
Nije bilo isto kao u Libiji ali Bosanski Srbi nisu agresori u Bosni,ovo je i njihova zemlja. Ljudi u svakoj situaciji polaze od licnih interesa, Ovolika ,mogao bih reci antiamericka histerija se pojavljuje samo zato jer se radi o sukobu u zemljama gdje zive muslimani. Potpuna vjerska identifikacija i zelja da se bude na strani muslimana protiv din-dusmanina. Jer niko ziv se ne buni na sve americke mutne poslove,politicke uticaje,svrgavanje vlada,postavljanje rezima u J. Americi. Mozda ce neko reci : Jeste i protiv toga smo ali niko ne otvara teme zbog toga po kojima na stotinama strana pljuje po US. Da ne govorimo da niko ne progovara ni rijeci protiv okupacije Njemacke,Japana. Posebna prica je kako je docekana US vojska u Bosni,gdje su dosli da nam nametnu nepravedni mir. O Kosovu i Srbiji ne bih ,trosio rijeci. Niko ,nije spomenuo neokolonijalizam.Kada su poceli zracni udari,ljudi su otvarali prozore vikali ,pjevali,pucali,grlili se po ulici ,ljubili i slicno. No,sjecam se komentara na tv jednoh Bosanskoga Hrvata iz Srednje Bosne,gdje on na pitanje o zracnim udarima, duboko zabrinut mase glavom i kaze: ne valja ovo nista,ovo islamu daje krila. Covjek posmatra stvari iz licne perspektive,kao i vecina forumasa. No,tako isto gledaju i u Afghanistanu. Prilikom dolaska US ,zemlja je bila u stanju krvavog gradjanskoga rata,bez ikakve centralne vlasti,bez medjunarodne saradnje,bez ekonomije,sa milionima izbjeglica. U odnosu na to,danas je u Afghanistanu raj i narod voli US bezrezervno i slijepo.U Iraku je isto bio gradjanski rat i diktatura,iracki Kurdi su masovno ubijani,vladalo je bezvlasce i diktatura. Poslije US intervencije ,stanje u zemlji je hiljadu puta bolje,Kurdi imaju svoju autonomiju i sva prava za razliku od recimo Turske,Irak je zemlja zakona,vladavine prava i da stabilna i demokratska drzava. Da u Iraku je dan kada je prvi americki vojnik usao u zemlju drzavni praznik- Dan slobode ili Dan oslobodjenja. Libija : Gadafi je decenijama pljackao svoj narod,ugnjetavao je cijela podrucja zemlja,unistavao je svaki pokret ka demokratiji i ljudskim pravima i to brutalno,ubistvima i nasiljem. Ljudi su zatvarani i ubijani bez ikakvih zakonskih procedura. Mozete vi pricati sta hocete ali na snimcima se vidi da ti ljudi njega stvarno mrze. Odnos Libijaca prema 'okupatorima.neokolonijalistima' je vise nego pozitivan. Misljenja sam da kada bi forumasi iznjeli svoje antiamericke stavove negdje javno u Tripoliju ili Benghaziju,da bi zavrsili onako u pjesku kao i Gadafi. Odnos US prema BiH : Priznanje drzave odmah 92, zabrana letova kroz cijeli rat koju su provodili svojim parama,propustanje oruzja i opreme ArBiH,davanje opreme i oruzja ArBiH, vojna intervencija jula 93 ,kada je srpska vojska zatvarala drugi prsten oko Sarajeva i sa time prakticno zavrsavala rat,vojna intervencija u ljeto 95 na strani ArBiH, politicka podrska kroz cijeli rat. Poslije rata US su glavna brana srpskom i hrvatskom separatizmu,neprestano vec 15 godina pruzaju podrsku suverenosti i cjelovitosti BiH,sponzorisanje i materijlna pomoc osnivanju OSBiH ,guranje nase zemlje u NATO. Znaci,iz nase perspektive US nam je veliki saveznik i prijatelj ( garant zato jer pljackaju nasu naftu ),sto nasi politicari koji imaju neku odgovornost uvijek implementiraju,uvijek dizemo ruku za US ( intervencija u Libiji,ne bi bila moguca ,bez BiH glasa u UN ). Razlika izmedzu sluzbene politike BiH i misljenja forumasa je ogromna. No,kao sto sam davno na ovoj temi vec napisao,protivnici US kod nas mozemo podijeliti u dvije kategorije: extremni ljevicari i gorljivi vjernici. Srecom,pa se te dvije kategorije u javnom zivotu ne pitaju previse.
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Goblin wrote:Bosanski Srbi nisu agresori u Bosni,ovo je i njihova zemlja.
Naravno da nisu SVI bh. Srbi bili agresori u Bosni. Evo, na primjer @KENJAC je bio borac ARBiH. Izgleda, sve vrijeme rata?
Ovi ostali što su se priključili SRK = Snagama Radovana Karadžića (ICTY termin) su bili DOMAĆI IZDAJNICI.
Tačka! Uopšte neću dalje polemisati i dokazivati agresiju SRJ i kvislinštvo bosanskih Srba. Tako ti je i GOTOVO!

Otvori temu na Istoriji, pa možemo nadugo i o tome.
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"Duga devetko.".... :)
Postujem tvoje misljenja i poimanja, ali ne mogu a da ne primijetim da evaluiras neciju podobnost i pripadnistvo Bosanskom narodu samo sa militantnog aspekta...... :roll:
Ali da ne dangubimo, tema je LIBIJA..
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IHAVEDREAM wrote:"Duga devetko.".... :)
Postujem tvoje misljenja i poimanja, ali ne mogu a da ne primijetim da evaluiras neciju podobnost i pripadnistvo Bosanskom narodu samo sa militantnog aspekta...... :roll:
Ali da ne dangubimo, tema je LIBIJA..
Ja nisam uopšte kompetentan da procjenjujem ko je podoban, a ko nije da bude u bh. narodima, ali pozdravljam sve pro bh. forumaše.
Nećemo na LIBIJI o tome.
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#3687 Re: LIBIJA

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gledajte ovo bogati,,kako tekbiraju dok ga drze kao zivotinju neku :s.Bez obzira sto je vjerovatno djelima svojim zasluzio dno dzehenema ovo je dno dna,ovo nije ljudsko ponasanje.ovako se ne ponasas prema zivotiniji.Nekako mi ga zao,,,i ako znam da to zapravo ne zasluzuje :shock: :shock: :shock:


uz sve to tekbiraju,,,,a islam ovo osudjuje,poslanik kaze,zivotinju kad ubijate ucinite to da sto manje osjeti.


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#3689 Re: LIBIJA

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Sto ne mogu ovih pateticnih komentara. Gadafi nam je bio prijatelj. Primio je 1500 bosanske djece u vrijeme rata. Pa sta onda? I Tudjman je primio 300 000 bosanca u Hrvatsku tokom rata i dobar broj je bio tamo tokom cijelog rata.

I sta sad? Jel nam i Tudjman bio prijatelj?

Gdje ste vi bili kad je masa skidala s vlasti vodje poput Mubaraka i Ben Alija? Ne vidje ja ni rijeci kritike upucene na racun "rulje".
Ah ja. Mubarak i Ben Ali su bili zapadne marionete pa je dobro sto ih je "rulja" sklonila.
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#3690 Re: LIBIJA

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ultima_palabra wrote:Ja fakat nisam znao da pukovnik ima ovoliko fanova u Bosni... ja s kim god sam pričao kaže da je dobio šta je zaslužio, ili eventualno da mu se trebalo suditi, a ne onako likvidirati.

Licemjerni smo brate do bola... nazivamo čitav narod glupim (pametni su izgleda bili što su dopustili 42 godine diktature), kao protivimo se NATO-u i Americi a guze bi dali da nas prime u svoje društvo, primamo se na srbijanske kvazinaučne šuplje o NWO samo zato što nam je lijeno razmišljati, nazivamo Amerikance glupim zbog uticaja mas-medija a sami vjerujemo u sve što pročitamo na opskurnim web sajtovima :roll: Da ne govorim o lijenim paralelama između Gadafijeve Libije i Titove Jugoslavije...

Vidi se i "u se, na se, poda se" mentalitet... daj mi džabni stan, auto, režije i dobru socijalu, a što sam neobrazovan, ne znam raditi ništa, ne doprinosim društvu u bilo kojem segmentu i ne pitam se ništa za vlastitu budućnost... ma jebo to :-) Iskreno se ne bih mijenjao ni sa jednim Libijcem iz perioda Gadafijeve vladavine.
....................... Ja sam ovih dana na tu temu razgovarao bar sa 20 nasih ljudi i svi ga smatraju diktatorom kojeg je davnih dana trebalo skinuti.
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#3691 Re: LIBIJA

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Dva su nacina da se odstrani rak:
- selektivnim odstarnjvanjem bolesnog tkiva
- ili unistenjem tijela u koje se ugnijezdio rak

U Iraku i Libiji je ocigledno primjenjen ovaj drugi metod. Gadafi je unisten tako sto je unistena Libija!
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#3692 Re: LIBIJA

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A moze se reci i obrnuto: Libija je unistena tako sto je unisten Gadafi :wink:
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#3693 Re: LIBIJA

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Hodidid wrote:
ultima_palabra wrote:Ja fakat nisam znao da pukovnik ima ovoliko fanova u Bosni... ja s kim god sam pričao kaže da je dobio šta je zaslužio, ili eventualno da mu se trebalo suditi, a ne onako likvidirati.

Licemjerni smo brate do bola... nazivamo čitav narod glupim (pametni su izgleda bili što su dopustili 42 godine diktature), kao protivimo se NATO-u i Americi a guze bi dali da nas prime u svoje društvo, primamo se na srbijanske kvazinaučne šuplje o NWO samo zato što nam je lijeno razmišljati, nazivamo Amerikance glupim zbog uticaja mas-medija a sami vjerujemo u sve što pročitamo na opskurnim web sajtovima :roll: Da ne govorim o lijenim paralelama između Gadafijeve Libije i Titove Jugoslavije...

Vidi se i "u se, na se, poda se" mentalitet... daj mi džabni stan, auto, režije i dobru socijalu, a što sam neobrazovan, ne znam raditi ništa, ne doprinosim društvu u bilo kojem segmentu i ne pitam se ništa za vlastitu budućnost... ma jebo to :-) Iskreno se ne bih mijenjao ni sa jednim Libijcem iz perioda Gadafijeve vladavine.
Imas par likova koji su se klonirali i to je to. Ja sam ovih dana na tu temu razgovarao bar sa 20 nasih ljudi i svi ga smatraju diktatorom kojeg je davnih dana trebalo skinuti.
Reprezentativan uzorak, do mojega... :lol:

Nista ne bi bilo sporno da su ga skinuli i rascerecili SAMI, bez organizacije, mts-a i podrske u tehnici i ljudstvu agresorskih nato snaga...

A libijci bi sad trebali zaratit medjusobno, barem tako pise u Agendi za majmune, koju su do danas bas vjerno provodili... :D
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#3694 Re: LIBIJA

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4X7swX3Nx4&feature=relmfu

Sve covjek lijepo objasni od 0:40 pa na dalje. Dakle ne zanima nas parlamentarizam nego zelimo da vodja vodi libijska plemena u bolje sutra. Da bi dosli do parlamentarizma moramo ratovati godinama i hiljade ljudi moraz izgubiti zivot da bi mozda imali za 10-15 godina neku vrstu parlamentarizma.

Ne objasni covjek samo, zasto se mora ratovati da bi se doslo do parlamentarizma u Libiji. Valjda se to moglo postici i konsenzusom bez prolivene krvi 30 000 libijaca.

Mogao je, ali nije htio, Gadafi odstupiti s mjesta i funkcije koju je obnasao i reci svom narodu. Ok, vodio sam drzavu 42 godine i dao sam sve od sebe da je izgradim i podignem vam zivotni standard. Vidim da postoji nezadovoljstvo u dijelu libijskog naroda vizavi stanja u zemlji i da se zele promjene.

Meni kome je dobrobit libijskog naroda i drzave na prvom mjestu sam spreman da odmah raspisem parlamentarne izbore i predam palicu izbornom pobjedniku.

Ali opet se vracamo na izjavu glasnogovornika njegovog rezima koji lijepo kaze. Nas, a pod tim se podrazumijeva rezim, ne zanima politicki parlamentarizam.
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#3695 Re: LIBIJA

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Gadafi silovan drvenim štapom prije ubistva!
davno, onda kada je Radovan uhapšen, napisao sam da su on i Ratko dva čovjeka kojima bih mogao ja lično presuditi metkom u čelo. dok ih gledam u oči. ZNAM da bih mogao.

ovo citirano, ni njima...
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#3696 Re: LIBIJA

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Chmoljo wrote:
Gadafi silovan drvenim štapom prije ubistva!
davno, onda kada je Radovan uhapšen, napisao sam da su on i Ratko dva čovjeka kojima bih mogao ja lično presuditi metkom u čelo. dok ih gledam u oči. ZNAM da bih mogao.

ovo citirano, ni njima...

Nemoj tako, pobunjenici su zlatni. Fuj.
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#3697 Re: LIBIJA

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Chmoljo wrote:
Gadafi silovan drvenim štapom prije ubistva!
davno, onda kada je Radovan uhapšen, napisao sam da su on i Ratko dva čovjeka kojima bih mogao ja lično presuditi metkom u čelo. dok ih gledam u oči. ZNAM da bih mogao.

ovo citirano, ni njima...

kako znas da je to gore istina..ja sumnjam
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#3698 Re: LIBIJA

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Stoka prasumska
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#3699 Re: LIBIJA

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theTruePath wrote:
kako znas da je to gore istina..ja sumnjam
ima video, dakako... ja nisam gledao, niti namjeravam.
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#3700 Re: LIBIJA

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Chmoljo wrote:
Gadafi silovan drvenim štapom prije ubistva!
davno, onda kada je Radovan uhapšen, napisao sam da su on i Ratko dva čovjeka kojima bih mogao ja lično presuditi metkom u čelo. dok ih gledam u oči. ZNAM da bih mogao.

ovo citirano, ni njima...
ovo je katastrofalno šta su mu radili...kolko god sam antigadafijevac tolko sam i protiv ovakog naćina "Kazne"...ove spodobe (nemam drugog naćina opisa) koji sebe zovu "oslobodiocima" ili "vjernicima" ...ako prodju ne kažnjeno, teško se libiji i libijcima u budućnosti.
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