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kustah wrote:STVARNI S/ELECTED PREDSJEDNIK

Business interests
- Advisor Cass Sunstein told Jeffrey Rosen of the NY Times: "I would be stunned to find an anti-business [Supreme Court] appointee from either [Clinton or Obama]. There's not a strong interest on the part of Obama or Clinton in demonizing business, and you wouldn't expect to see that in their Supreme Court nominees."
- Obama supported making it harder to file class action suits in state courts. David Sirota in the Nation wrote, "Opposed by most major civil rights and consumer watchdog groups, this big business-backed legislation was sold to the public as a way to stop 'frivolous' lawsuits. But everyone in Washington knew the bill's real objective was to protect corporate abusers."
- He voted for a business-friendly "tort reform" bill
- He voted against a 30% interest rate cap on credit cards
- He had the most number of foreign lobbyist contributors in the primaries
- He was even more popular with Pentagon contractors than McCain
- He was most popular of the candidates with K Street lobbyists
- In 2003, rightwing Democratic Leadership Council named Obama as one of its "100 to Watch." After he was criticized in the black media, Obama disassociated himself with the DLC. But his major economic advisor, Austan Goolsbee, is also chief economist of the conservative organization. Writes Doug Henwood of the Left Business Observer, "Goolsbee has written gushingly about Milton Friedman and denounced the idea of a moratorium on mortgage foreclosures."
- Added Henwood, "Top hedge fund honcho Paul Tudor Jones threw a fundraiser for him at his Greenwich house last spring, 'The whole of Greenwich is backing Obama,' one source said of the posh headquarters of the hedge fund industry. They like him because they're socially liberal, up to a point, and probably eager for a little less war, and think he's the man to do their work. They're also confident he wouldn't undertake any renovations to the distribution of wealth."

Civil liberties
- He supports the war on drugs
- He supports the crack-cocaine sentence disparity
- He supports Real ID
- He supports the PATRIOT Act
- He supports the death penalty
- He opposes lowering the drinking age to 18
- He supported amnesty for telecoms engaged in illegal spying on Americans

Ecology
- Obama voted for a nuclear energy bill that included money for bunker buster bombs and full funding for Yucca Mountain.
- He supports federally funded ethanol and is unusually close to the ethanol industry.
- He led his party's reversal of a 25-year ban on off-shore oil drilling

Conservatives
- He went to Connecticut to support Joe Lieberman in the primary against Ned Lamont

Education
- Obama has promised to double funding for private charter schools, part of a national effort undermining public education.
- He supports the No Child Left Behind Act albeit expressing reservations about its emphasis on testing. Writes Cory Mattson, "Despite NCLB''s loss of credibility among educators and the deadlock surrounding its attempted reauthorization in 2007, Barack Obama still offers his support. Even the two unions representing teachers, both which for years supported reform of the policy to avoid embarrassing their Democratic Party 'friends,' declared in 2008 that the policy is too fundamentally flawed to be reformed and should be eliminated."

Fiscal policy
- Obama rejected moratoriums on foreclosures and a freeze on rates, measures supported by his primary opponents John Edwards and Hillary Clinton
- He was a strong supporter of the $700 billion cash-for-trash banker bailout plan.
- Two of his top advisors are former Goldman Sachs chair Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers. Noted Glen Ford of black Agenda Report, "In February 1999, Rubin and Summers flanked Fed Chief Alan Greenspan on the cover of Time magazine, heralded as, 'The Committee to Save the World.' Summers was then Secretary of the Treasury for Bill Clinton, having succeeded his mentor, Rubin, in that office. Together with Greenspan, the trio had in the previous year labored successfully to safeguard derivatives, the exotic 'ticking time bomb' financial instruments, from federal regulation."
- Robert Scheer notes that "Rubin, who pocketed tens of millions running Goldman Sachs before becoming treasury secretary, is the man who got President Clinton to back legislation by then-Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas, to unleash banking greed on an unprecedented scale."
- Obama's fund-raising machine has been headed by Penny Prtizker former chair of the Superior Bank, one of the first to get into subprime mortgages. While she resigned as chair of the family business in 1994, as late as 2001 she was still on the board and wrote a letter saying that her family was recapitalizing the bank and pledging to "once again restore Superior's leadership position in subprime lending." The bank shut down two months later and the Pritzker family would pay $460 million in a settlement with the government.

Foreign policy
- Obama endorsed US involvement in the failed drug war in Colombia: "When I am president, we will continue the Andean Counter-Drug Program."
- He has expressed a willingness to bomb Iran and won't rule out a first strike nuclear attack.
- He has endorsed bombing or invading Pakistan to go after Al Qaeda in violation of international law. He has called Pakistan "the right battlefield ... in the war on terrorism."
- He supports Israeli aggression and apartheid. Obama has deserted previous support for two-state solution to Mid East situation and refuses to negotiate with Hamas.
- He has supported Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel, saying "it must remain undivided."
- He favors expanding the war in Afghanistan.
- Although he claims to want to get out of Iraq, his top Iraq advisor wrote that America should keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops in Iraq. Obama, in his appearances, blurred the difference between combat soldiers and other troops.
- He indicated to Amy Goodman that he would leave 140,000 private contractors and mercenaries in Iraq because "we don't have the troops to replace them."
- He has called Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez an enemy of the United States and urged sanctions against him.
- He claimed "one of the things that I think George H.W. Bush doesn't get enough credit for was his foreign policy team and the way that he helped negotiate the end of the Cold War and prosecuted the Gulf War. That cost us $20 billion dollars. That's all it cost. It was extremely successful. I think there were a lot of very wise people."
- He has hawkish foreign policy advisors who have been involved in past US misdeeds and failures. These include Zbigniew Brzezinski, Anthony Lake, General Merrill McPeak, and Dennis Ross.
- It has been reported that he might well retain as secretary of defense Robert Gates who supports actions in violation of international law against countries merely suspected of being unwilling or unable to halt threats by militant groups.

Gays
Obama opposes gay marriage. He wouldn't have photo taken with San Francisco mayor because he was afraid it would seem that he supported gay marriage

Health
Obama opposes single payer healthcare or Medicare for all.

Military
Obama would expand the size of the military.

kustah wrote:

hik--meta wrote:kad smaknu baraka huseina drugog, zakukat ce i oni s lijeve strane kao william ayers iz weather underground-a, tom hayden, jesse jackson, ali i oni s desna kao louis farrakhan.
takodje i svi oni "anti-izraelski" raspolozeni advisors iz carterove administracije, ali i ovi mladji cionisti predvodjeni aipac-ovcem emanuelom. zaplakat ce ljudi ne samo u americi, nego posvuda u svijetu, od ljudi kao raila odinga i ahmadinedzad do daniela ortege, hareta, sulje i dodika.
k'o kad su u maju 1980 svi stizali u beograd na sahranu.

ako nista treba mu priznati da je ujedinio ljude, i da ce ih nastaviti ujedinjavati i poslije smrti kad dobijemo jos jedan praznik - obama day - svakog 20.januara.
taman nekako poslije mlk day-a... mada bi ga imho trebalo ugurati negdje za election day ili jos bolje u oktobru, jer je previse vremena izmedju labor daya i thxgivinga.

zna li ko kako se tacno bira podpredsjednik kad biden preuzme vlast? kako je bilo kad je lindon johnson preuzeo?

Tesko/nikako bi se njegova "pobjeda" mogla nazvazi vecinskom. On je dobio 52% glasova.
Da je bilo po glasovima bijelih amerikanaca - 47% - on bi bio porazen. Rijec je o "popular vote".
"Landslide victory" je samo jedna u nizu lazi MSM (mainstream media). Demokratija koju oni
praktikuju je sala.

SAD je duboko, veoma duboko, podjeljeno drustvo. Po svim linijama.

kustah wrote:.
Ma naravno. Ja se nikako ne prestajem cuditi entuzijazmu prema ovome politicaru, i pitam se gdje
je dno ljudske gluposti, koja neka vrsta patoloske lazi ili samolaganja.

jeza u ledja wrote:I jos jednom:

Eto Obama ne valja, da cujemo sta je alternativa?

Kako bi mala djeca da promjene svijet?

bogoljub wrote:

jeza u ledja wrote:I jos jednom:

Eto Obama ne valja, da cujemo sta je alternativa?

Kako bi mala djeca da promjene svijet?

BAS TAKO! STA FALI OBAMI?
NISTA! NEKA COJKA NEK NESTO POKUSA! DOSTA JE BILO PORODICE BUS I CLINTON

Risto Kuglarić wrote:

_veleposlanik wrote: ...
ja bih samo zamolio, ako moze iskreno od vas, kao i svih chitatelja - onih neutralnih, opredjeljenih na jednu ili drugu stranu, onih sto ucestvuju u diskusiji i onih sto shute - da, kada i ako dodje do vas, bilo koja indicija, pokazatelj, da se u stvari radi o vecem fenomenu umjesto "teskog perioda" koji nas trenutno drzi u shahu, da nam to svima ovdje izrazi, svejedno u bilo kojoj od 100 tema koje smo vam "unistili", ili na nekom novom topicu. jel moze makar to? ja sam uvjeren za sebe, moji prijatelji pocinju drugacije razmisljati, svijet oko mene se zaista budi. medjutim, moj narod u Bosni jos uvijek spava zimski san... bilo bi mi drago da vidim, makar na ovom forumu gdje sam poceo ovako javno i bez dlake na jeziku govoriti, da je neko zaista imao priliku da se uvjeri u ovo sto je vama predstavljeno...

a ja cu, naravno, traziti izvinjenje od sviju vas koji se nadjoste uvrijedjeni mojim "paranojama", ukoliko se uspostavi da sam (smo) imali te halucinacije... znam da se ovo drugo nece desiti ali eto neka bude posten deal. inace, ne bih uopste zapocinjao ovako beznadezan pokusaj "osvjescivanja" nepoznatih ljudi, da nisam u potpunosti svjestan da se blize velike korjenite promjene u svemu sto danas poznajemo kao realno i istinito...

Evo, imaš dil sa mnom! Iskreno, mislim da si kišnjak, i nervira me to što me zoveš čitateljem (ko da imaš kolumnu ovdje jebote), al imamo dil! Samo prije arbitraže, prvo operacionaliziraj šta ti tačno znači "indicija, pokazatelj, da se ustvari radi o većem fenomenu". Ne možemo arbitrarno lupetat, jelte. Ako se ta indicija pojavi, ja sa biliver.

kustah wrote:za Jeza u ledja, aka"vlasnika" ove teme.

Ja sam Ti naveo tacno kakvu on politicku "filozofiju" i stavove ima!
Nemam Ti namjeru davati izvore svojih iformacija, nisu nikakva tajna
siroko su dostupni. Medjutim, ako nemas ono sto se zove "critical mind"
zalud ti sve ti si indoktriniran i nema ti spasa. Onda ces vjerovati u
"green coal" energiju i da nuklearke mogu biti bezbjedne.

Ti nadji svoj izvor pa ovo demantuj. Mozes ovdje palamuditi sa politickim
marketingom koliko hoces, vidim ima kandidata na pretek, znaci nema cinjenica.
Ja sam mesije i "highest priest" davno precrtao u zivotu. Moj "mesija" je umro 1980.

Ja se ne cudim S-elected Obami, i nemam nesto potencijalo protiv njega nista jer
mi je on jasan iz njegovih stavova, cudim dokle ce podanici i robovi imati taj
mentalitet.

A tebi za obrazovanje, evo procitaj ova dva clanka. Vidim te u njima!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ush-mccain
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200 ... lliterate/

jeza u ledja wrote:(I ne ocekujem da znas ako ne zivis u SAD, ali isto tako ne ocekuj da znas vise od nekoga ko u Americi zivi i prati politiku dugo godina.)

jeza u ledja wrote:Jos jednom, rijec je o Obami, ne o cjelokupnom svjetskom politickom poretku. Za to imate vec nekoliko tema koje ste zaposjeli.

Ovdje je dakle rijec o trenutnom predsjedniku i njegovim buducim potezima, planovima, greskama, itd.

There is one story from Chicago, however, that remains relevant. A citizen walks into his alderman's
office looking for a job. "Who sent you?" he asks. "Nobody," he replies. Says the staffer: "We don't want
nobody nobody sent."

Who sent Barack Obama remains a mystery. He has risen from an unknown state senator to president in
exactly four years and that only happens when somebody sends for you.

zonbirile wrote:e moj Houston
blago se tebi kada tako rezonuješ,niko ništa ne razbija samo konstatuje postojeće stanje sa malim osvrtom unazad.
Amerika jeste planetarna sila i to isključivo zahvaljujući finansijskom inžinjeringu i iskorištavanjem svakog sukoba u svoju korist.Divim se tebi i vima sličnim,ali osim prizemnih konstatacija niko ništa konkretno ne kaže.Ja sam postavio sijaset pitanja i dao odgovora ,koji su aksiomi,znaći postavke koje se ne provjeravaju, evo ti odgovori raji ,ne meni.
Amerika je najzaduženija zemlja na svijetu,deficit je veći nego zbirni deficit više od pola zemalja svijete.Pitanje je :"Kome je to ona dužna".

kustah wrote:43% bijelih amerikanaca je glasalo za Obamu a 55% za McCain. Samo 34% bijelih Protestanata
je glasalo za Obamu, dok je 65% dalo glasove McCain. Znaci drugim rijecima, ako bi glasali samo
bijeli amerikanci Obama bi izgubio nadmocno (landslide).