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#35501 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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Sidius wrote:
spree wrote:
Znam :D , ali reko mozda ovako lakse doprem do moderacije :P . Vidis da odmah ide prica nek' je LeBron broj jedan. Valjda neki kompleksi jer je LeBron naslijedio kobea kao tada najboljeg igraca u ligi. I da se razumijemo zna se ko je goat jos uvijek, mada nije nemoguce da to LeBron postane.
hahah, pa da, reci jednu pozitivnu o Lebronu i gotov si odmah. To svakako, za ostale velikane ne znam, ali jos se nije priblizio Kareemu i Jordanu.
Za sada mu se smijesi mt Rushmore.

btw, bilo bi kul vidjeti reakciju fanova lakersa kada bi potpisao za LAL.
Postao bi goat preko noci :D .

Moguce da u sljedećoj ne bude klaya i iggyja. Ako bude tako cavsima malo rastu sanse. Jos su suspenzije izbjegli love i thompson.
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#35502 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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posto su se fejkerski menadjerski dokazali u zadnjije deset godina, nebi cudilo da zovnu djemsudinburgerkinga i time dokazu da i od najglupljeg ima jos najgluplje i jos malo pride :-x
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#35503 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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Raigor Stonehoof wrote:nek je lescum top 1 :lol: :lol: :lol: Kobe ga za dorucak jede

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hate :thumbup:
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#35504 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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RtrnOfSalisbury wrote:posto su se fejkerski menadjerski dokazali u zadnjije deset godina, nebi cudilo da zovnu djemsudinburgerkinga i time dokazu da i od najglupljeg ima jos najgluplje i jos malo pride :-x

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#35507 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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relativno84 wrote:Image
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#35508 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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House wrote:Image


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House wrote:Image


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#35510 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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@relativno g.o.a.t :kiss:
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#35511 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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relativno84 wrote:Image
:D
Charlie Ward :lol: utakmicu gledao na OBN, Mirza Vilic i onaj "vidi dobre slike u picku materinu" prenosili :D (zaboravio sam kako se lik zove)
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#35512 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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Raigor Stonehoof wrote:
relativno84 wrote:Image
:D
Charlie Ward :lol: utakmicu gledao na OBN, Mirza Vilic i onaj "vidi dobre slike u picku materinu" prenosili :D (zaboravio sam kako se lik zove)
nije ward nego chris childs, ali blizu si. ward bio prvi pg, a childs backup.

zar nisu vilic, avdic i kolega adis stalno radili prijenose? ja se tako sjecam :D .
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#35514 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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spree wrote:
Raigor Stonehoof wrote:
relativno84 wrote:Image
:D
Charlie Ward :lol: utakmicu gledao na OBN, Mirza Vilic i onaj "vidi dobre slike u picku materinu" prenosili :D (zaboravio sam kako se lik zove)
nije ward nego chris childs, ali blizu si. ward bio prvi pg, a childs backup.

zar nisu vilic, avdic i kolega adis stalno radili prijenose? ja se tako sjecam :D .

bio je prije adisa i adisa rusmir nefic
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Ono kad ocistis snijeg pred zgradom, naidje grtalica i sve vrati. :D
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#35516 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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Malo me ponijelo kad sam napisao da Cavsi uzimaju u 6, ali i dalje mislim da će oni uzeti ovo finale. GSW jednostavno nema rješenje za Lebrona, koji će ih nastaviti trpati. Love je tu, samo još po neki nek uskoči, npr. Smith jer nas je navikao na toplo, hladno, premda je ove godine u glavnom hladno.
A GSW nema baš nekih opcija na klupi i to je recimo jedna od mana super timova. Klupa je obično tanka, pa ako ti se neko povrijedi ili naletiš na tim koji ti ne odgovara nemaš prostora za prilagođavanje. Eventualno Looneya staviti na Lebrona, čisto da Duranta čuvaš za napad, a svakako se ni on nije proslavio odbranom na Lebronu. Mada bi onda opet Durant imao posla u odbrani na Love i u odbrambenom skoku. GSW svakako treba Duranta u napadu jer je to gdje ih mogu dobiti, odbranom ne. Moraju ići na više koševa, a tu jedino bolje od prve može Durant.
Što se tiče vraćanja Cavsa nakon onakvog poraza mislim da za Lebrona nema problema, Smith vidimo da i nema baš neko pamćenje, Thompson je svakako naložen, jedini Love i naročito Hill mogu biti problematični.
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Bez Thompsona i Iguodale ce Zlatnima biti vrlo, vrlo guravo.
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#35518 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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Eto Cavsi imaju rjesenja na klupi. Oni nemaju rjesenja ni na terenu osim Lebrona. Dapace imaju samo probleme koji ce ih odvuci dole, tipa ovaj sto fula slobodno ili onaj sto bjezi od kosa ko da ga policija ganja zbog gudre.
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#35519 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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Korovjev wrote:Malo me ponijelo kad sam napisao da Cavsi uzimaju u 6, ali i dalje mislim da će oni uzeti ovo finale. GSW jednostavno nema rješenje za Lebrona, koji će ih nastaviti trpati. Love je tu, samo još po neki nek uskoči, npr. Smith jer nas je navikao na toplo, hladno, premda je ove godine u glavnom hladno.
A GSW nema baš nekih opcija na klupi i to je recimo jedna od mana super timova. Klupa je obično tanka, pa ako ti se neko povrijedi ili naletiš na tim koji ti ne odgovara nemaš prostora za prilagođavanje. Eventualno Looneya staviti na Lebrona, čisto da Duranta čuvaš za napad, a svakako se ni on nije proslavio odbranom na Lebronu. Mada bi onda opet Durant imao posla u odbrani na Love i u odbrambenom skoku. GSW svakako treba Duranta u napadu jer je to gdje ih mogu dobiti, odbranom ne. Moraju ići na više koševa, a tu jedino bolje od prve može Durant.
Što se tiče vraćanja Cavsa nakon onakvog poraza mislim da za Lebrona nema problema, Smith vidimo da i nema baš neko pamćenje, Thompson je svakako naložen, jedini Love i naročito Hill mogu biti problematični.

Ovo ti je metla.
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#35520 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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Došo sam sa ponovo sa dnevnom dozom "LeGoat hejta" :D

Does Lebron ACTUALLY make his teammates better? "On average these new James teammates -- weighted by minutes played -- have performed 6.3 percent worse than forecast."


Idemoooooooooooooooo :run:
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#35521 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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#35522 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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Hoce´l biti puno reklama veceras?
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pirmin wrote:Hoce´l biti puno reklama veceras?

ja ti pitanja,kad ih ne bude
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#35524 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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kakavdanakneiskustvu wrote:
pirmin wrote:Hoce´l biti puno reklama veceras?

ja ti pitanja,kad ih ne bude
;-) :D
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#35525 Re: NBA - National Basketball Association

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Richard Jefferson had a great interview segment on Undisputed where he said playing with LeBron is "Not for everyone" and I thought that was incredibly astute. Playing with LeBron undoubtedly gives you opportunities to excel in moments, but that doesn't mean it's always easy for anyone.

LeBron has had a lot of teammates in his career so I think isolating only the new players this season to try to answer this question is just willfully disregarding the rest of his career. Isolating those four new guys is cherry picking a small and volatile sample size (post-trade deadline regular season + playoff run)

If you want to break it down, you should stat with other all-star caliber players: Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, and Kevin Love. Playing with LeBron as a star player is obviously not an easy thing. You have to take a back seat whether you like it or not, and it seems only his best friend Dwyane Wade was able to cope with that from a mental standpoint, the other three guys all struggled. On the court, I believe playing alongside LeBron made both Bosh and Irving much better players than before playing with him. Part of that growth is the necessity that they must expand their own games to continue to have a large impact on the game. Wade did not become a better player, but his career was on a down-turn that the other three guys weren't on, so it remains to be seen whether it was more age and attrition rather than playing alongside LeBron.

But while the data on other impact players is a mixed bag, his track record with role players is pretty sterling. If you go all the way back to 2006, the first time LeBron entered the MVP conversation, and you can already see names like Damon Jones and Anderson Varejao, who made their careers early out of playing alongside LeBron. Larry Hughes was never the same guy in Washington that he was in Cleveland, but it is worth acknowledging that his contract with Cleveland was his huge payday in a time when guys played awesome in contract years and then were never the same after securing that 5-6 year deals (Side note: This is why contract lengths were shortened in 2011 CBA).

As you get to the 2009 Cavs you start to see more names like Mo Williams, Delonte West and Daniel Gibson, and an entire team of more-or-less scrubs who won 66 games. That's more than Houston won this year! Mo Williams in particular received an all-star selection in 2009, his 3-point percentage going up 5 percentage points from his previous season in Milwaukee.

If there was one player from this later Cavs era that perhaps was worse alongside LeBron was Antawn Jamison, who was traded to Cleveland at the trade deadline in 2010, but statistically it just looks like he lost 3.5 shots a game from when he was in Washington, but his FG% went up 3.5 percentage points as well.

Guys like Boobie Gibson and Varejao and Battier and Mike Miller and Birdman, Delly and Frye, all guys that knew exactly what was expected of them and were capable of doing that every time, and who were willing to do that without asking for more touches or money or minutes or exposure.

There's a Ryan Anderson quote where he talks about how it can be boring to play the role of a floor spacer but that he's come to understand it's value, and because he understands its value he will sprint to his spots every time even if he hasn't gotten the ball for a quarter. His existence and his effort are vital, even though it's boring as fuck.

Not everyone can handle doing that all year long but it's vital in allowing Lebron to use his teammates tactically. A guy who gets pouty because he didn't get the ball and stops running the floor or setting solid picks really tanks the effect of Lebron's BBIQ because he can't use them as a chess piece.

Miami is riddled with guys who have greater legacies because of LeBron: Mike Miller, Shane Battier, James Jones, Mario Chalmers, Norris Cole, Birdman. I couldn't find a single role player that I thought was made to be less than themselves during that entire four-year stint in Miami. Happy to hear from someone else that might know better.

The 2nd stint in Cleveland has been very similar to Miami if you ask me: Matthew Dellavadova, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, Iman Shumpert, Channing Frye, Richard Jefferson.

There's definitely a theme to a lot of these guys that excel around LeBron: They're older veteran players who have made their money already for the most part. They don't have alternative goals anymore outside of winning games and playing good team basketball (around LeBron). This is not to say the other guys don't want to win or play good team basketball, but many of them are young enough to still have personal career goals.

Inace je isto igrati u finalu playoffa i sa jazavcem lonzom u lutriji :run:
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