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[Tito_i_Partija]

Koji vicer? Ja sam stao na drugom pa otis'o u kamiondzije, ponekad upalim Hades kad malo vise popijem.

[hopi]

Koji vicer? Ja sam stao na drugom pa otis'o u kamiondzije, ponekad upalim Hades kad malo vise popijem.

ma vičera 3
lagano ja to, sve istražim detaljno

[ferratilis]

Sumnjam da mogu srediti probleme za 6 mjeseci, jer su se uvalili u govna sa last gen konzolama. Onaj tweet jutros gdje su rekli da svi na PS-u mogu refundirati igru se kosi sa pravilima Sonija za refunde. Nije im ni palo na pamet da pitaju Sony prije nego su objavili tweet. Sad Sony odbija vecinu zahtjeva. Plus sto ih je OpenCritic javno obiljezio kao prevarante za fijasko s konzolama. Nece im bit prijatni praznici, to je sigurno. Nije mi drago jbg, jer i ja samo zelim kvalitetnu igru kao i svi drugi. Ali avaj...

[_coRey_]

jos municije za Jason Schreier i borbu protiv crunch kulture

[el_bake007]

[Averus]

Igra li ko ovdje ista drugo?

Kontam neko ce rec' haj igra je lose optimizirana i puna bugova, sacekacu koji mjesec i igracu sta drugo u medjuvremenu. Al' kakvi, svi ste haman mazohisti.

Niho, sta ti igras ovih dana?

Bioshock 2 Remaster

[Chmoljo]

Project wingman trenutno.

Tu je uvijek FM manager, trenutno je 2020 inačica.

Prokleti kingdom come ćumorati početi po treći put prvi put samskontao da mi je gpu preslab. Drugi put samimao nedavnu zajebanciju sa driverima i pogubio sve savefilove...

Jovo nanovo... Možda ga ovsjput i završim...

[aditon]

vjeruj Chmoljo u treću sreću, ništa ti drugo ne ostaje

ja šutam RDR2, i još dugo ću jer detaljno igru prelazim, od-do..a na čekanju mi je još 6-7 igara, sve već instalirane na računaru....CP2077 će čekati bolje dane, iako mi se igra baš igra, ali stanje igre trenutno je daleko od igrivog.

[Averus]

CDPR Emergency Board Call
https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/wp-content ... 2-2020.mp3


Evo i transkript:

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tl;dr: Full focus on fixing bugs/crashes. Sony/Microsoft not part of their refund campaign. They still plan to release promised content/DLC. Multiplayer ... maybe. Reviewers didn't get last gen version because they kept working on it. They think AI and NPS behaviour is a bug(? I put question mark here because I think the dude does not understand the extent to which people want this to be improved). Sony/Mikrosoft let them release the game because they trsuted it will be fixed on launch.

I did not proof read this. It's 2AM and I'm drinking alcohol. There are typos there. English is not my native language. Also it's no 1 to 1. It's my ... retelling.

A: How where the sales vs expectations?

CDPR: Good sales, mostly on PC to early for detailed answer. Sales numbers will be released before the holiday break.

A: Could you done better job with more developers?

CDPR: No, it was too late to throw in extra people and they wouldn't help.

A: How you feel about your ability for DLCs and multiplayer by 2022?

CDPR: Too early to judge. Let us make more assesment. We are focused on improving Cyberpunk and we will tell more early next year

B: Have you seen influx of refund after twitter statment?

CDPR: We're not encouraging players to refund the game. We hope they will trust us. We already released one fix and another one is coming in 7 days. If that's not possible we provide help. We just started. Gamers waited so long for the game so we humbely hope they can wait.

B: Did you need more external testing? Maybe too much is done inhouse.

CDPR: COVID didn't help. Our inhours testers were working at home but their extenral testing were not able to do so. We saw this inpacted testing but this is not the reason for this situation.

B: On Multiplayer. You aren't rushing into that right? 2023 maybe ....

CDPR: We haven't confirmed any dates yet. We're in situation we haven't planned maybe more info in January. We focus on gamers and fixing current Cyberpunk.

B: Something about pre orders. Weather people pre downloading Cyberpunk on GOG were part of pre order numbers.

CDPR: Yes but they had to actually pre order the game to have option to pre download the game. There was no manipulation with the numbers.

C: Board ignored the warnings about last gen issues. Was game delivered anyway because you wanted to deliver this game this year? Launch is important or you underestimated how bad it really is?

CDPR: We focused too much on PC perforamance and didn't bother much with last gen consoles. There were no out of ordinary amount pressure to release the game.

C: How come game went through Sonys and Microsoft certification to get on the consoles?

CDPR: This is on our side. Sony and microsoft was hoping we will fix the game on release. It's entierly on CDPR

C: Are you confident last gen consoles will be able to perform or is the game too demanding and no amount of fixing will provide a good product?

CDPR: We are planning on making the game into much much better shape with the incoming improvements.... don't expect next gen performance. It's gonna be "good playable game without glitchs and crashes".

Dude C said he ownd PS4 and that he's happy with that last sentance and he's happy he will be able to play the game

CDPR: You will be able.

C: Ok ty

D: Will you still be doing strategic updates in Q1 or that will be posponed?

CDPR: So far we plan to release strategic updates as planned in Q1.

D: Can you explain why gameplay from old gens was hidden from people?

CDPR: We were updating this version until the very last minute and hoped we will make it in time. Becuase it was work in progress so we didn't release it until like 1 day before launch but it was late and it's entierly on CDPR.

D: How you deploy your staff now? Who works on mobile/next witcher/DLCs? Did staff allocation changed? Will this delay Witcher 4?

CDPR: Mobile team is working on mobile(I believe this is different developer all together that got rights to develop their game), Gwent team is hard locked on gwent. Cyberpunk will continue to work on patches. We are still working on future projects. At least until february people will be working on patching the game.

E: Some numbers? Wierd accent can't understand sorry. I think it was development vs marketing costs. And he asked about patches? How much will that cost?

CDPR: Can't share costs of developing the game. Costs of patching the game is irrelevant to what we can loose here. We made a promise and we will keep working on it. We will release Q4 raport when it's regular time that will show marketing numbers. This is not the time.

F: Will Microsoft and Sony financially participate in your refund campaignor it's just you?

CDPR: They have their own policies so it's up to them to handle. There's nothing special done here. It's handled like any other refund.

F: Will you give free VRC to gamers? Maybe he ment DLC.

CDPR: We already explained our plans regarding players. Nothing new to add. I imagine this means they don't plan anything "extra" for now outside of fixes and already promised stuff.

F: Something about bonus policy for empleyees?

CDPR: No comment about what somebody else said what's happening in the studio.

F: So there won't be any impact on the Q4 raport because of the refunds?

CDPR: We cannot say right now.

G: What will be the shape of the game after the optimalization? Will the game be cheaper on consoles?

CDPR: Game will have no crashes. Main bugs will be fixed. Performance improvment. Game is playable right now. It's not like the game is not launching or not playable. I understand it's far from satisfactionary but not launching is not the case. Vs PC we stated before you cannot expect PC or next gen like performance. We don't plan to change the price of the game

G: Could you made a launch without the last gen consoles if it's state was unacceptable?

CDPR: Theoretically yes but ... no because next gen and last gen release are not seperated (or something). This is because of the promise that everyone with last gen console will get next gen version aswell and we hope this will stop people from refunding.

H: Comments on PC sales? How's PC players feddback vs consoles?

CDPR: Initial sales were very good. We're collecting data but PC sales were good. Players feed from PC is better than the one from consoles. Feedback is mixed between platforms and it isn't easy to look at all of them. Revieres got PC version so you can look at early revies.

H: PC configuration and stability?

CDPR: PC configurations vary so people will get different performance. Download Nvidia driver. PC players enjoy the game. We see positive comments on streams.

H: You mentioned next patch in 7 days. What will this patch include?

CDPR: For console we already remove a lot of crashes with last patch and we aim to remove more with next patch so people can enjoy their game during holidays and again major updates will come in january and february. Please wait.

Someone was in line after H lady but they fucked up so moderator moved on. Sucks to be that person.

Next dude was very market oriented. Didn't seem to care about the game at all ...

I: Tragectory for sales? Something about updating the market?

CDPR: Sales update will be release before holiday break and more detailed raport will be part of the standard Q4 raport.

I: How active are the players? Are they sticking up to the game?

CDPR: We're getting more and more positive feedback. We started at 70(I think he talks about game score or something) and now we're at 79. Once we filter the score based on hours played more hours played higher the score so the more people play the more they enjoy it. We're focusing on last gen consoles but it's not like we're getting negative feedback from next gen consoles. We have more and more happy players ... something something.

J: Out of 8mil preorders can you tell how many of those are old consoles new consoles and PC?

CDPR: PC is 59% and consoles 41% but we do not know the split between old/new gen since keys works for both generations and we don't see how the code was redeemed.

J: What were your expectations of breakdown between those?

CDPR: We expected more on PC because PC players preorder more and console players usually buy the game after the release. We still don't have update from physical copies so we can't tell.

J: Yeah I understand that but I wanted to know from budgeting process what were you expecting? (I think he wants to know how many old gen players CDPR expected and maybe they didn't expect enough so they under budgeted it)

CDPR: PC/console split is what we expected. We were not looking at old/new gen split in estimations.

K: Are the patches just purely looking at glitches/bug/crashes or will there be gameplay improvements? What about AI and NPC behaviour?

CDPR: To be honest those are the same for us. AI and NPC behaviour for us are the bugs.

K: What do you expect in terms of purchases over the year from gamers that decide to postpone the purchuse until they get next gen console?

CDPR: We offered free update to next gen console so we hope this won't stop anyone from purchising the game before they get next game. Some more uninteresting stuff.

L: Of the digital copies. How many were sold on GOG?

CDPR: We're not revealing this number. Cyberpunk has bigger split but something something reasons becasue.

[ferratilis]

Jucer je CDPR objavio hitni koferencijski razgovor sa investitorima, koga zanima o cemu se govorilo, ovo je sazetak sa najbitnijim stvarima:

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CEO says they want to gain the trust of gamers back because they know they've lost it. CEO puts on a "humble" facade that quickly disappears later in the call.

17 minutes in, as one of the developers is finishing up answering a question about what they will do to fix the game on last gen consoles, he tells the investor to not expect any graphical or game system type changes, as their only intent is to make the game playable from start to finish without crashing on last gen.

Last gen console versions of the game weren't given to reviewers because the dev team was still working on those versions during the review period for the game. They were working on them "up until the last minute".

They also state earlier in the call there was limited QA testing done on the game, it was all done "in house" and no experienced third party contractors were used. CDPR employees played iterative builds of the game in their homes due to the pandemic and that's how they tested the game. They say there wasn't much attention put on the last generation console versions of the game. (you know, the consoles the game was originally made for before the delays)

21 or so minutes in, the CEO says they plan to let the Cyberpunk team rest "until February". (good, the klix developers deserve a ton of rest after what their management team has done)

Multiplayer is tentatively scheduled to release in 2022, but could be pushed to 2023. Depends on how long it takes the development team to actually finish the game (referring to the planned DLC's & expansions) as well as fix what was and is currently being sold to customers.

Several investors seem to be very concerned about the game being refunded. One asked how the refund process works through Microsoft and Sony and if the investor will still keep his cut. (this person seems to have no regard for customer satisfaction and is only focused on keeping his cut of the money, even after a customer refunds the game.)

No plans to lower the price of the last gen console versions, despite the depleted experience. The PC version has very clearly been their main focus. All console versions seem to be an afterthought.

One investor asks if the development team needed more klix developers in order to finish the game on time. CDPR's answer was no, that the number of developers wouldn't have changed anything. The CEO took responsibility for their management team rushing the development of the game and not understanding the technical limitations the dev team was up against. (yo what happened to "Coming: When it's ready" ???)

It's very apparent throughout this call the CDPR management team keeps referring back to the "next gen upgrade at no additional cost" for console owners, but they fail to explain to these investors that doesn't change anything if you don't have a next gen console. They are using that as a response to questions about the last gen console version of the game. Pretty scummy way to frame their answers in my opinion, and it's happened multiple times now.

Stadia version will be updated once before their holiday break. After that there is no further update (bug fixing updates) planned for the Stadia version of the game, but this could change in Q1 of 2021.

An investor specifically asks about the NPC and AI behavior, citing the backlash it's received online by customers. CDPR's answer is that the AI and NPC behavior is part of the bugs, and the patches that come in January and February will address those issues/bugs. Nothing more in depth was said about the AI.

One last time before ending the call, CDPR yet again touts the "next gen upgrade at no additional cost" and hopes gamers will keep the game instead of refunding it so that they can experience the next gen upgrade as soon as it's ready. But again, as I stated earlier, they fail to explain to these investors that if you don't have a next gen console, this next gen upgrade is useless to you.

Sto je najjace, jedan od investitora je hladno pitao nesto kao "kako ide Witcher 4?" Naravno ovi su se odmah usutili, ali eto sad barem znamo da je njihov sljedeci naslov Witcher 4

@Averus lol preduhitrio si me

[aditon]

[Averus]

@ferratilis Zna se za W4 odavno
U sred razgovora neki pizdić se našao da pita za projekcije i to jebo mater svoju kapitalističku


Ali me ovo raduje

Costs of patching the game is irrelevant to what we can loose here.

Stvarno kroz sve što su rekli djeluje mi kao da su svjesni i da im je strašno stalo da isprave situaciju.
Faktički, potvrdili su ono što smo svi znali i mislili - nisu bili spremni i na silu su izdali igru, sad će potrošiti boga-oca da je poprave. Nadam se da hoće, jer šteta bi bila da propadne nešto što je moglo biti jebeno remek djelo.

[ProgramskiJezik]

oko 30h ingame.. Nisam jos main story zavrsio, dosta glitcheva (mada nijedan gamebreaking, kao witcher 3 u svoja vremena).. Story dosad 9/10.. imersive je pravo sa first person perspektivom

[Averus]

Vidi ga što je dig'o na ultra samo da napravi screenshot, a garant onda vratio na low

[ProgramskiJezik]

Vidi ga što je dig'o na ultra samo da napravi screenshot, a garant onda vratio na low

ma igram na 4k high/ultra vec sam spominjao prije. RTX 2060 Super sa DLSS - Performance mode. Fkt je DLSS nesta najbolje sto su izmislili nisam nikad gotivio Nvidiu ali samo radi DLSS vrijedi kupit graficku. Imam oko 55 FPS prosjecno najvise padne na 40 a najvise bude 65 otprilike.

evo jos par SS:

[Averus]

Ma zafrkavam ja

DLSS nije dostupan na GTX 1070Ti seriji?
Vidio sam u settingsu da mi ne dozvoljava

[ProgramskiJezik]

Ma zafrkavam ja

DLSS nije dostupan na GTX 1070Ti seriji?
Vidio sam u settingsu da mi ne dozvoljava

Nazalost nije.. samo na RTX grafickim. Mada su pricali da ce pokusat dovesti na starije, sad ne znam, jer to je vise driver stvar nego sto je sama graficka..

[l33t]

Ma zafrkavam ja

DLSS nije dostupan na GTX 1070Ti seriji?
Vidio sam u settingsu da mi ne dozvoljava

Nazalost nije.. samo na RTX grafickim. Mada su pricali da ce pokusat dovesti na starije, sad ne znam, jer to je vise driver stvar nego sto je sama graficka..

Pa valjda trebas imati Tensor cores da bi mogao koristiti DLSS... sad da li mogu to preko drivera ne znam.

[_coRey_]

sve i da izbace drajvere za DLSS na GTX seriji nikakve ti koristi od toga ne bi imao, to bi samo stavilo jos vise pritiska na jezgre koje rade raster a one nisu dovoljno brze da u real time rade AI kalkulacije na nivou tensor-a

nisam 100% siguran ali mislim da su tensori 10x brzi od CUDA kad je u pitanju AI

[Averus]

Aha, do toga je znači

Svakako čekam sredinu 2020. u nadi da će se moći ugrabiti 2070S za pristojnu cijenu, pa ćemo vidjeti dalje

[ProgramskiJezik]

sve i da izbace drajvere za DLSS na GTX seriji nikakve ti koristi od toga ne bi imao, to bi samo stavilo jos vise pritiska na jezgre koje rade raster a one nisu dovoljno brze da u real time rade AI kalkulacije na nivou tensor-a

nisam 100% siguran ali mislim da su tensori 10x brzi od CUDA kad je u pitanju AI

Inace kako machine / deep learning radi jeste da software "uci" kako sta treba da scale-a i gdje koji pixel da stavi kako bi slika bila sto bolja.

I ti setovi kojim se uci graficka se ne radi kod usera nego kod Nvidie, i kad graficke to nauce posalje se driverom za korisnikove GPU, tako da one to scale-aju i znaju sta kako treba scale. Zato govorim da je teoretski moguce da starije graficke podrzaju medjutim upravu si sa CUDA da su brze i da se koriste zato.

[REDDEVILS]

HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVENT (DECEMBER 2020)

https://support.ubisoft.com/en-US/Artic ... ember-2020

[_coRey_]

razumijemo se

mene zanima na sta ce liciti Microsoftov DirectML koji ce biti open source, radice na Xbox i Nvidia/AMD, to je mnogo jaci rival nego AMD sa svojom super rezolucijom, Microsoft ima mnogo vece kapacitete kad je u pitanju AI nego AMD

idealan scenarij je da skinu DLSS i da svi profitiramo

[Evolution_IV]

prosjke oko 32FPS na high(crowd density medium) ,dosta,vise se pati RX580 nego i5

najvise sto sam vidio CPU usage je 92%

[ferratilis]

Igrajte pravi cyberpunk dok to ne zakrpe