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Desert Wind
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#351 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
bezveze cete poglabat ban ha ja
- mrtva kokoš
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#352 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
kako im samo nije dosadno razglabati o jednom te istom, na 5 razl. tema 
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simpozijum delirijum
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#353 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
slazem se , i ja sam kriv zbog moga temperamentaDesert Wind wrote:bezveze cete poglabat ban ha ja
nikoga ne mrzim i samo polako
PEACE
svima vama mir
- Bosanski_kralj
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#354 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
Njima očigledno nije dosadno, ali jeste nama koji to moramo čitati.Splinter wrote:kako im samo nije dosadno razglabati o jednom te istom, na 5 razl. tema
- madner
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#355 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
Gadafi je malo odlijepio 
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simpozijum delirijum
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#356 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
malo Britanskoga crnoga humora , tip je komad budale
ali ? pogadja u kost !
ali ? pogadja u kost !
- jeza u ledja
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#357 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
Interesantan clanak iz Time-a, ako mu je vjerovati:
Gaddafi's Next Move: Sabotage Oil and Sow Chaos?
By Robert Baer
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... z1El3fjSxr
There's been virtually no reliable information coming out of Tripoli, but a source close to the Gaddafi regime I did manage to get hold of told me the already terrible situation in Libya will get much worse. Among other things, Gaddafi has ordered security services to start sabotaging oil facilities. They will start by blowing up several oil pipelines, cutting off flow to Mediterranean ports. The sabotage, according to the insider, is meant to serve as a message to Libya's rebellious tribes: It's either me or chaos.
Two weeks ago this same man had told me the uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt would never touch Libya. Gaddafi, he said, had a tight lock on all of the major tribes, the same ones that have kept him in power for the past 41 years. The man of course turned out to be wrong, and everything he now has to say about Gaddafi's intentions needs to be taken in that context.
(See TIME's exclusive interview with Gaddafi.)
The source went on and told me that Gaddafi's desperation has a lot to with the fact that he now can only count on the loyalty of his tribe, the Qadhadhfa. And as for the army, as of Monday he only has the loyalty of approximately 5,000 troops. They are his elite forces, the officers all handpicked. Among them is the unit commanded by his second youngest son Khamis, the 32nd Brigade. (The total strength of the regular Libyan army is 45,000.)
My Libyan source said that Gaddafi has told people around him that he knows he cannot retake Libya with the forces he has. But what he can do is make the rebellious tribes and army officers regret their disloyalty, turning Libya into another Somalia. "I have the money and arms to fight for a long time," Gaddafi reportedly said.
(See TIME's special report "The Middle East in Revolt.")
As part of the same plan to turn the tables, Gaddafi ordered the release from prison of the country's Islamic militant prisoners, hoping they will act on their own to sow chaos across Libya. Gaddafi envisages them attacking foreigners and rebellious tribes. Couple that with a shortage of food supplies, and any chance for the rebels to replace Gaddafi will be remote.
My Libyan source said that in order to understand Gaddafi's state of mind we need to understand that he feels deeply betrayed by the media, which he blames for sparking the revolt. In particular, he blames the Qatari TV station al-Jazeera, and is convinced it targeted him for purely political motivations. He also feels betrayed by the West because it has only encouraged the revolt. Over the weekend, he warned several European embassies that if he falls, the consequence will be a flood of African immigration that will "swamp" Europe.
(Comment on this story.)
Pressed, my Libyan source acknowledged Gaddafi is a desperate, irrational man, and his threats to turn Libya into another Somalia at this point may be mostly bluffing. On the other hand, if Gaddafi in fact enjoys the loyalty of troops he thinks he has, he very well could take Libya to the brink of civil war, if not over.
Baer, a former Middle East CIA field officer, is TIME.com's intelligence columnist and the author of See No Evil and, most recently, The Devil We Know: Dealing with the New Iranian Superpower.
Gaddafi's Next Move: Sabotage Oil and Sow Chaos?
By Robert Baer
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... z1El3fjSxr
There's been virtually no reliable information coming out of Tripoli, but a source close to the Gaddafi regime I did manage to get hold of told me the already terrible situation in Libya will get much worse. Among other things, Gaddafi has ordered security services to start sabotaging oil facilities. They will start by blowing up several oil pipelines, cutting off flow to Mediterranean ports. The sabotage, according to the insider, is meant to serve as a message to Libya's rebellious tribes: It's either me or chaos.
Two weeks ago this same man had told me the uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt would never touch Libya. Gaddafi, he said, had a tight lock on all of the major tribes, the same ones that have kept him in power for the past 41 years. The man of course turned out to be wrong, and everything he now has to say about Gaddafi's intentions needs to be taken in that context.
(See TIME's exclusive interview with Gaddafi.)
The source went on and told me that Gaddafi's desperation has a lot to with the fact that he now can only count on the loyalty of his tribe, the Qadhadhfa. And as for the army, as of Monday he only has the loyalty of approximately 5,000 troops. They are his elite forces, the officers all handpicked. Among them is the unit commanded by his second youngest son Khamis, the 32nd Brigade. (The total strength of the regular Libyan army is 45,000.)
My Libyan source said that Gaddafi has told people around him that he knows he cannot retake Libya with the forces he has. But what he can do is make the rebellious tribes and army officers regret their disloyalty, turning Libya into another Somalia. "I have the money and arms to fight for a long time," Gaddafi reportedly said.
(See TIME's special report "The Middle East in Revolt.")
As part of the same plan to turn the tables, Gaddafi ordered the release from prison of the country's Islamic militant prisoners, hoping they will act on their own to sow chaos across Libya. Gaddafi envisages them attacking foreigners and rebellious tribes. Couple that with a shortage of food supplies, and any chance for the rebels to replace Gaddafi will be remote.
My Libyan source said that in order to understand Gaddafi's state of mind we need to understand that he feels deeply betrayed by the media, which he blames for sparking the revolt. In particular, he blames the Qatari TV station al-Jazeera, and is convinced it targeted him for purely political motivations. He also feels betrayed by the West because it has only encouraged the revolt. Over the weekend, he warned several European embassies that if he falls, the consequence will be a flood of African immigration that will "swamp" Europe.
(Comment on this story.)
Pressed, my Libyan source acknowledged Gaddafi is a desperate, irrational man, and his threats to turn Libya into another Somalia at this point may be mostly bluffing. On the other hand, if Gaddafi in fact enjoys the loyalty of troops he thinks he has, he very well could take Libya to the brink of civil war, if not over.
Baer, a former Middle East CIA field officer, is TIME.com's intelligence columnist and the author of See No Evil and, most recently, The Devil We Know: Dealing with the New Iranian Superpower.
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AldinK
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#358 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
Navodno Gadafi preko svojih rođaka pregovara sa jednim egipatskim plemenom da se bore protiv pobunjenika u zamjenu za novac i libijsko državljanstvo. Nudi Egipćanima da pobiju narod u istočnoj Libiji i tu se nasele. 
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Desert Wind
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#359 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
vala bas ima nekih informacija da te bog dragi sacuva...
ono sto je sigurno - jeste da je gadafi izvan moci i kontrole u istocnim dijelovima libije - otkazala mu je armija i narod a dosta diplomatije otkazalo lojalnost i poslusnost... cinjenica je takodjer da pokusava da se regrupise i boga mi na dobro ne ide... a sad sta je - mislim da je tipicno zatisje pred buru....
- cyprus
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#360 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
Da li je moguća nezavisna Kirenajka? 
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popajic
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#361 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
Ih , malo....madner wrote:Gadafi je malo odlijepio
Neki bogami zjanise milione koje je ovaj odlijepljeni obecao :
"Član Helsinškog komiteta za ljudska prava u BiH Almir Terzić pozvao je poglavara Islamske zajednice u BiH reisa Mustafu Cerića da ne prihvati donaciju koju je libijski vođa Moamer el Gadafi namijenio za izgradnju upravne zgrade Rijaseta Islamske zajednice u Sarajevu. Terzić, koji je i član Transparency Internationala BiH, posebno apeluje na Cerića da upravnu zgradu ne nazove vakufom Moamera el Gadafija, kako je to navedeno u nekim medijima.
U pismu Terzić ocjenjuje da Gadafiju, kao nekome ko je na čelu režima koji vrši teror nad vlastitim narodom, nije mjesto među dobročiniteljima.
"S obzirom da se ovdje radi o zaštiti časti i ugleda Rijaseta, odnosno cjelokupne Islamske zajednice u BiH, koja je, nadam se, važnija od donacije, molim Vas i pozivam da razmotrite ovo iskreno obraćanje", ističe se u pismu.
Prema nezvaničnim informacijama, Gadafi je namjeravao da izgradnju upravne zgrade Rijaseta pomogne sa nekoliko miliona KM.
U Rijasetu Islamske zajednice BiH rekli su da još nisu dobili ovo pismo tako da ga ne mogu komentarisati."
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#362 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
gdje ima više nafte? Na istoku ili na zapadu Libije? To je ključno pitanje.... oko toga se vrti sve. 
- ladyada
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#363 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
interesantno ukratko o klanu gadafi
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotos ... 65002.html
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotos ... 65002.html
- cyprus
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#364 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
Zanimljivo pitanje... a mislim da je istok zemlje dosta bogatiji naftom, taj sektor južno od Bengazija i SirtaanthraxQ wrote:gdje ima više nafte? Na istoku ili na zapadu Libije? To je ključno pitanje.... oko toga se vrti sve.
- NightSkyWalker
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#366 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
A tek njegovo ponasanje.
Dodje na konferenciju u UN i razapne sator u lokalnom parku. Pored satora su kamile i zene tjelohranitelji.
Prije nekog vremena je u UN-u odrzao sat i po dug govor. Prevodilac je bukvalno poceo da place i odustao od prevodjenja jer je gadafi pricao nebuloze i samo nesto brbljao nepovezano.
Mislim da je on totalno konfuzna osoba.
Dodje na konferenciju u UN i razapne sator u lokalnom parku. Pored satora su kamile i zene tjelohranitelji.
Prije nekog vremena je u UN-u odrzao sat i po dug govor. Prevodilac je bukvalno poceo da place i odustao od prevodjenja jer je gadafi pricao nebuloze i samo nesto brbljao nepovezano.
Mislim da je on totalno konfuzna osoba.
- jeza u ledja
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#367 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
jos samo da dodam, bitna je i kontrola nad naftovodima. a vecina njih ide na centralnu obalu libije (zaliv sirt)jeza u ledja wrote:tacno.
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#368 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
evo jedno političko gledište: istok zemlje, ima više nafte, a susjed je ipak sila na tome prostoru, Egipat...cyprus wrote:Zanimljivo pitanje... a mislim da je istok zemlje dosta bogatiji naftom, taj sektor južno od Bengazija i SirtaanthraxQ wrote:gdje ima više nafte? Na istoku ili na zapadu Libije? To je ključno pitanje.... oko toga se vrti sve.
zbog toga, istok zemlje više neće biti pod Gadafijem... nema šanse.
da je Egipat pod Mubarakom, Libija nikad ne bi bila u ovome stanju. Ta država, Ciraika(kako već) će biti produžena ruka Egipta. Egipat ovdje najviše dobija. Tunis je preslab, nebitan i dalek.
- jeza u ledja
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#369 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
Polako ba, vi vec nove drzave pravite...
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#370 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
ako može neko predstaviti da li ovo pleme na istoku zemlje je naklonjeno Egiptu? da li pripadnici ovoga plemena cine
znacajniju skupinu i u Egiptu?
da su egipćani pametni, pa da armiju stave na granicu sa Libijom, kao da zastite ljude od genocida... i da se tiho tu
politički uvuku.
jer ako oni neće, neko hoće. Vjerujem da Italija ima ovdje dugoročnog interesa iako trenutno trpi.
znacajniju skupinu i u Egiptu?
da su egipćani pametni, pa da armiju stave na granicu sa Libijom, kao da zastite ljude od genocida... i da se tiho tu
politički uvuku.
jer ako oni neće, neko hoće. Vjerujem da Italija ima ovdje dugoročnog interesa iako trenutno trpi.
- anthraxQ
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#371 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
jeza u ledja wrote:Polako ba, vi vec nove drzave pravite...
Egipat do Tripolija. To sve treba biti Egipat.
- cyprus
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#372 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
Kakvog genocida? Većinom je to isti narod, ista vjera... Doduše nije mi baš najjasnije kakva su to njihova plemena koja se spominjuanthraxQ wrote:ako može neko predstaviti da li ovo pleme na istoku zemlje je naklonjeno Egiptu? da li pripadnici ovoga plemena cine
znacajniju skupinu i u Egiptu?
da su egipćani pametni, pa da armiju stave na granicu sa Libijom, kao da zastite ljude od genocida... i da se tiho tu
politički uvuku.
jer ako oni neće, neko hoće. Vjerujem da Italija ima ovdje dugoročnog interesa iako trenutno trpi.
- anthraxQ
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#373 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
ma to je "genocida".cyprus wrote:Kakvog genocida? Većinom je to isti narod, ista vjera... Doduše nije mi baš najjasnije kakva su to njihova plemena koja se spominjuanthraxQ wrote:ako može neko predstaviti da li ovo pleme na istoku zemlje je naklonjeno Egiptu? da li pripadnici ovoga plemena cine
znacajniju skupinu i u Egiptu?
da su egipćani pametni, pa da armiju stave na granicu sa Libijom, kao da zastite ljude od genocida... i da se tiho tu
politički uvuku.
jer ako oni neće, neko hoće. Vjerujem da Italija ima ovdje dugoročnog interesa iako trenutno trpi.
a ta plemena. to je bas zbrkano kod njih. ako neko moze to malo prezentirati nama.
- jeza u ledja
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#374 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
Pleme ti je nesto ko prosirena porodica.
Sve su to uglavnom Arapi, ovi ostali su malobrojni.
Sve su to uglavnom Arapi, ovi ostali su malobrojni.
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michio
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#375 Re: NEREDI U ARAPSKOM SVIJETU
Sad kad Hanibal zavlada mostarskim ulicama 
