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Lee Alan Adler, 48, was a computer designer at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Adler was a member of the board of trustees of Temple Beth Ahm in Springfield, New Jersey, where memorial services were held for him. He was married to his wife. Alice, for 15 years and had a 12-year old daughter. His daughter wrote in a February 22, 2002 message on an internet memorial site, "Daddy I love you!"

Joshua Aron, 29, was an equities trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. Joshua's father, Barry Aron, says, "Not a minute goes by in a day that I don't think about Josh. ... It's like part of you being ripped out and you can't replace it." Barry talks to his son's widow, Rachel daily. Mr. Aron and Rachel would have celebrated their first wedding anniversary on September 16, 2001. Memorial services were held at the Oceanside Jewish Center in Oceanside, New York.

Michael Edward Asher, 53, was vice president and senior technology architect at Cantor Fitzgerald. On September 10, 2001, he talked with his son Jeremy, 18, about rebuilding an old Jaguar automobile. Mr. Asher was also survived by his wife Dana and a daughter, Rachel, 16. A memorial service was held for him at the Monroe Temple of Liberal Judaism in Monroe, New York.

Debbie S. Bellows, 30, was an executive assistant at Cantor Fitzgerald. She was survived by her husband Sean, who wrote, "Debbie meant the world to me. ... My heart will always be filled with the love and beauty that filled her soul." A memorial service was held for Ms. Bellows at the Westchester Reform Temple in Scarsdale, New York.

Alvin Bergsohn, 48, was an equities trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. From a picture posted on the Internet, it appears that he was survived by a wife and two sons. A service was held for him at the South Baldwin Jewish Center in Baldwin Harbor, New York.

Shimmy D. Biegeleisen, 42, was vice president of Fiduciary Trust International. Susan Townsend, who interviewed for a job at Mr. Biegeleisen's company, described him "a genuinely kind and gentle soul, a man of true integrity." A friend, Joseph Weinberger, said he was "a person with a golden heart, loved everybody, always with a smile." Another described him as "a perfect mix of God-fearing, friendly, and fun." Tony Skutnik said he was "a kind and gentle man, generous and forgiving almost to a fault." He was survived by a wife and five children.

Joshua David Birnbaum, 24, was an assistant bond trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. His best friend, Leehe Matalon, wrote, "Josh's smile always managed to light up the faces of those he surrounded himself with. He had a special charm ...." He was survived by his parents, Sam and Marcel, and a sister, Jill. A memorial service was held for him at the Sephardic Congregation of Long Beach in Long Beach, New York.

Kevin Sanford Cohen, 28, was a computer support person for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his parents, Barry and Marcia, and a brother Neil. His mother said that when she had asked him why he didn't slow down, he replied, "Mom, I believe in living life to the fullest." A memorial service was held for him at Neve Shalom in Metuchen, New Jersey.

Michael Allen Davidson, 27, was an equity options trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. A co-worker named Jay wrote, "He could have been the nicest, most sensitive person I have ever met. Everyone loves him." He was engaged to be married the following July to Dominique DeNardo. Mr. Davidson was survived by his mother Ellen. A memorial service was held for him at Congregation Beth Israel in Scotch Plains, New Jersey.

Peter Feidelberg, 34, worked for Aon corporation. Mr. Feidelberg was from Montreal, Canada, and worked at Aon with his wife, Meredith Ewart, whom he had married in March 2000. According to the Canadian Jewish News, Mr. Feidelberg attended Jewish Peoples School, ran in the 1998 New York Marathon, enjoyed rugby, mountain biking, skiing and scuba diving, and had backpacked through Europe, Costa Rica, Turkey and other countries.

Steven Mark Fogel, 40, was vice president and assistant general counsel for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Kori, a son and a daughter. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Emanuel in Westfield, New York.

Morton H. Frank, 31, was an insurance equities broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. In college, he was a member of the Jewish fraternity Alpha Epsilon Pi. A childhood friend said he had "a fun-loving spirit and a wonderful heart." He had married his wife Jessica 14 months before 9/11.

Arlene Eva Fried, 49, was vice president and assistant general counsel at Cantor Fitzgerald. She met her future husband Ken when she was 15 and he was 17. When the youngest of their three daughters entered kindergarten, Arlene went back to school to study law. Her parents, Nicholas and Ronnie Joseph, were both survivors of Nazi concentration camps; her mother had been at Auschwitz. They wrote, in a October 13, 2003 internet tribute, "As Arlene Joseph Fried's parents, the loss is indescribable; a daughter with indescribable warmth and love toward her whole family and friends -- losing her left an unhealable wound in our hearts." A memorial service was held for her at Temple Beth Shalom in Roslyn, New York.

Douglas B. Gardner, 39, was a vice chairman at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife, Jennifer, and two children. Memorial services were held at the Stephen Weiss Free Synagogue in New York City.

Steven Paul Geller, 52, was an institutional trader for Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Geller loved to cook with his daughter, Hali, 12. He was also survived by his wife, Debra. A memorial service was held for him at Congregation Rodeph Sholom in New York City.

Marina Romanova Gertsberg, 25, was one of 16 Russian-speaking Jews who perished in the 9/11 attacks, according to World Congress of Russian Jewry. Her family had emigrated from Odessa, Ukraine to the United States when Marina was four so that her father would not have to serve with Soviet forces in Afghanistan. She joined Cantor Fitzgerald as a junior manager one week before September 11. A memorial service for her was held at the Manhattan Beach Jewish Center in Brooklyn, New York.

Jeffrey Grant Goldflam, 48, was senior vice president and chief financial officer at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Goldflam was survived by his wife Risa and two children. He was a track and soccer star in high school. Robert Kayton, a college acquaintance, remembered Mr. Goldflam as "easygoing, friendly, and helpful." A memorial service was held for him at Temple Beth Tohar in Melville, New York.

Michelle Herman Goldstein, 31, worked as a broker for Aon Risk Services insurance company. She had married her busband, Edward Goldstein, exactly seven months before 9/11. After the first plane struck the North tower of the World Trade Center, she called her mother, a Hebrew teacher at the Tamarac Jewish Center in Florida, from the 96th floor of the South tower to reassure her that she was all right. Her mother described her as "full of life. She lights up a room when she smiles."

Monica Goldstein, 25, was an accounts specialist at Cantor Fitzgerald. She spent long hours at her older sister's house, caring for her two young nephews and visiting with her sister. Her father said, "Her smile and her laugh were infectious. ... The loss has totally changed our lives. We'll never be the same anymore. ... She was a very, very special person." Ms. Goldstein was engaged to be married in September 2002. A memorial service was held for her at the Congregation B'nai Israel in Bay Terrace, New York.

Steven Goldstein, 35, had started work for Cantor Fitzgerald two weeks before September 11. Working in his basement, he had started and developed an online trading system, which he sold to Cantor Fitzgerald. His wife said his motivation was to make a lot of money and retire so he could spend time with his family. She said he loved nothing more than spending time with his one-year old son Harris and three-year old daughter Hanna. Mr. Goldstein had been a member of the Jewish fraternity Alpha Epsilon Pi when at the University of Michigan.

Marcia Hoffman, 52, was vice president and senior technical architect at Cantor Fitzgerald. A former child-welfare worker, she switched to a career in computers. She was survived by her husband, Jim, and her daughter, Lara. A memorial service was held for her at the Kane Street Synagogue in New York City.

Aaron Horwitz, 24, was a bond broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was described as a showman who loved entertaining people, someone who "seized souls, not letting go until he made them merry." A memorial service was held for him at the Brotherhood Synagogue in New York City.

Daniel Ilkanayev, 36, was a senior programming analyst at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Ilkanayev was born in Baku, Azerbaijan, in the former Soviet Union. He was one 16 Russian-speaking Jews who perished in the 9/11 attacks, according to World Congress of Russian Jewry.

Brooke Alexandra Jackman, 23, had just started working as an assistant bond trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. On September 10, 2001, she had told her mother she was applying to Columbia University's School of Social Work because "there is more to life than making money." A crowd of 1,000 to 1,500 attended her memorial service at the Jewish Center in Oyster Bay, New York. She had volunteered a community soup kitchen and a thrift shop for cancer patients.

Aaron Jacobs, 27, was a vice president at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was making plans for a honeymoon, perhaps to Africa, with his bride-to-be, Jeannine McAteer. He had backpacked through Europe, taught English in Mexico, and climbed a volcano in Greece. His dream was to retire at an early age and travel. He also taught job skills to welfare recipients. A memorial service for him was held at Temple Emanuel in Newton, Massachusetts.

Steven A. Jacobson, 53, was a transmission engineer working on the 110th floor of World Trade Center's north tower. His job was to keep the WPIX television station on the air, no matter what happened. After working the night shift at the television station, he opened the Town and Village synagogue where he worshipped. Mr. Jacobson was survived by his wife, Deborah, and two daughters, Rachel and Miriam. Family was the most important thing to him; he called his mother every day. Colleagues say he called them on September 11, saying his room was filling with smoke but it was too hot to leave even though he was having trouble breathing.

Shari Ann Kandell, 27, was a support staffer at Cantor Fitzgerald. She loved the theater and was studying for a degree in English in the evenings. Her father said, "the overwhelming and klix quality that Shari showed all her life was her total selflessness." Many at her memorial service at Temple Beth Rishon in Wyckoff, New Jersey spoke of her giving priority to the needs of others.

Andrew Keith Kates, 37, was a senior managing director of Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Emily Terry, two daughters, Hannah, 5, and Lucy, 3, and a son, Henry, 1. His wife said that although Mr. Kates was a serious bike rider, swimmer, and runner, having run the New York Marathon in three hours and 15 minutes, his family came first. Every Saturday morning, the children would crowd into bed with Mr. Kates and his wife. A memorial service for him was held at Congregation Rodeph Sholom in New York City.

Peter Rodney Kellerman, 35, was a vice president and equities trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Robi. Mr. Kellerman had a doctor's appointment on the morning of September 11, but came to work when the appointment was rescheduled. Friend Jon Bott wrote how he misses Mr. Kellerman's "infectious humor, your wonderful wit and how comfortable and easy you made people feel." A memorial service was held for him at the Park Avenue Synagogue in New York City.

Howard Kestenbaum, 56, was an executive vice president at Aon Corporation. His 24-year old daughter Lauren saw the first plane hit the World Trade Center. Mr. Kestenbaum, who was in the second tower hit, had evacuated his office on the 103rd floor and was at the 78th floor when his tower was struck. Witnesses say he was knocked unconscious by flying debris. Mr. Kestenbaum was always joking and made others laugh. He was an active member of Congregation Beth Ann in Verona, New Jersey, visited the sick and old, and volunteered at a homeless shelter.

Mary Jo Kimelman, 34, had worked for Cantor Fitzgerald for 13 years. Friends and family say she was an extremely loyal, outgoing person who wrote poetry and enjoyed traveling. Her boyfriend, Thierry LeBras, said she had a special talent of listening to people she had just met, getting them to open up about their lives. A memorial service was held for her at Temple Emanu-El in New York City.

Glenn Davis Kirwin, 40, was a senior vice president at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was also an avid cyclist, runner, golfer, and skier, who would go on 80-kilometer bicycle rides. His wife, Joan, says he always found time to play with his sons, Miles, 10, and Troy, 7, even after long workdays. A memorial service was held for him at Westchester Reform Temple in Scarsdale, New York.

Alan Kleinberg, 39, was just days away from transferring to a different Cantor Firzgerald office on September 11. He was survived by his wife, Mindy, a three-year old son, Sam, a seven-year old daughter, Lauren, and a nine-year old son, Jacob. His mother said Mr. Kleinberg limited his outside interests so he could spend more time with his family. A memorial service was held for him at the Jewish Center in East Brunswick, New Jersey.

Karen Joyce Klitzman, 38, worked at Cantor Fitzgerald. She and her twin sister Donna spoke with each other every day on the phone. Karen had taught English for two years in Macao and Beijing, China, and traveled in Siberia and throughout the Middle East. A memorial service was held for her at Stephen Weiss Free Synagogue in New York City.

Nicholas Craig Lassman, 28, was a computer technician for Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Lassman studied computers after several years of teaching golf in Florida. He also taught himself how to play the guitar and learned Russian and German so he could read books in those languages. He spoke to his parents, Ira and Laura Lassman, almost every day. A memorial service for Mr. Lassman was held at Temple Beth-El in Cloister, New Jersey.

Alan Lederman, 43, started work for Aon Corporation two months before September 11. Just before reporting to work, he climbed Mount Whitney, the tallest mountain in the continental United States. Most of his co-workers left the World Trade Center's south tower, where he worked, but Mr. Lederman stopped to help two women who were paralyzed by panic. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Neve Shalom in Metuchen, New Jersey.

Neil D. Levin, 46, was Executive Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which runs New York's three major airports, its port facilities, six bridges and tunnels, and is landlord of the World Trade Center complex. Mr. Levin was at a breakfast meeting at the Windows on the World restaurant atop the north tower when it was hit on September 11. Mr. Levin's wife, Christine Ferer, called him "the love of my life, the most kind and generous person," and someone who became a "super-Dad" to Ms. Ferer's two daughters from a previous marriage. A memorial service for Mr. Levin was held at the Temple Emanu-El in New York City. His family set up a scholarship fund in his name for children of Port Authority employees killed on September 11.

Steven Barry Lillianthal, 38, was a mortgage bond broker for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Adina, 4-year old twins, Emma and Gabriel, and a three-month old son, Sam. A memorial service was held for Mr. Lillianthal at Temple B'nai Abraham in Livingston, New Jersey.

Stuart T. Meltzer, 32, was an energy broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. He had two young sons; the eldest, Jacob, was four years old when he died. His brother, Larry, said he talked with Stuart at least five times a day, often discussing sports. A memorial service for Mr. Meltzer was held at Temple Emeth in Brookline, Massachusetts.

Nancy Morgenstern, 32, was an administrative assistant at Cantor Fitzgerald. She was an Orthodox Jew whose passions were cycling and skiing. She would bring kosher food and the pots and pans needed to stay kosher on cycling racing trips. In a website dedicated to her memory, her mother wrote, "Nancy, I miss you more than mere words can express. Not only were you my daughter, but you were also my best friend." A co-worker described Nancy as "one of the most thoughtful, disciplined, funny, crazy, independent women I ever knew." Fifty-eight friends wrote tributes to her on her memorial website.

Laurence M. Polatsch, 32, was a partner in equities sales at Cantor Fitzgerald. A prankster, Mr. Polatsch donned a tuxedo and crashed the 2000 wedding of celebrities Catherine Zeta-Jones and Michael Douglas. He ate with actor Jack Nicholson before security guards asked him to leave. Mr. Polatsch's mother said he once flew back from college to present her with flowers on her birthday. Recently, Mr. Polatsch had resumed a relationship with childhood sweetheart Marni Wasserman, and they were expected to marry. Guttermann Funeral Home in Woodbury, New York confirmed that Mr. Polatsch was Jewish.

Faina Rapaport, 45, was a computer programmer working as a consultant to Marsh & McLennan. In 1994, she and her family emigrated from Moscow, Russia to New York. At the time of her death, her son Alex was 25 and her daughter, Elena, 19. Elena said, "I know my mother is still happy about coming to America. She accomplished things that she never would have been able to do in Russia."

Joshua Reiss, 23, was a bond trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. An enterprising young man, Joshua began delivering newspapers at age 10, worked in the family business before attending college, and worked full-time as a waiter while also being a full-time student with a double major at college. More than 1500 people attended his memorial service at Adath Israel Synagogue in Lawrenceville, New Jersey. On August 27, 2002, his mother wrote on the internet, "We miss you and still want you to come home. I will always have a void in my soul."

Brooke David Rosenbaum, 31, was supervisor in the overseas division of Cantor Fitzgerald. He was sick on September 10, but went to work the next day because, according to a friend, he felt that without him, "the whole place would fall apart." He was survived by his mother, Dorothy. A memorial service was held for him at the Jewish Center in Rego Park, New York.

Sheryl Lynn Rosenbaum, 33, was an accountant and partner at Cantor Fitzgerald. Her father described her as the "glue" of their family. She was survived by her husband, Mark, and two children, aged 3 months and 17 months. A memorial service was held for her at Temple Har Shalom in Warren, New Jersey.

Lloyd Daniel Rosenberg, 31, was a bond trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Glenna and three daughters, Samantha, 5, Kaylee, 3, and Alyssa, 1. His wife said that "Lloyd's passion was being a ‘daddy.' His klix were his pride and joy. I will forever miss the Saturday mornings when I would sneak downstairs and watch him reading them a book or playing ‘horsie.'" A memorial service was held for him at Temple Shalom in Aberdeen, New Jersey.

Mark Louis Rosenberg, 26, was a computer programmer for Marsh & McLennan. He attended Marsha Stern Talmudical Academy in New York and Yeshiva University for a short time. Mr. Rosenberg met his wife, Jennifer, at a Jewish youth event. She said, "He was a great people person. He got along with everybody. He had a great smile and a great sense of humor."

Andrew Ira Rosenblum, 45, was a broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. He married his wife, Jill, at Temple Hillel in North Woodmere, New Jersey, and their sons Jordan and Kyle were 14 and 11, respectively, when their father died. Mr. Rosenblum's friend, Steve Cohen, said, "Andy was the kind of guy that had many circles of friends and many dear friends within each circle."

Joshua M. Rosenblum, 28, was an assistant trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was only four days away from marrying colleague Gina Hawryluk on September 11. Ms. Hawryluk stayed home from work that day to plan their wedding. Mr. Rosenblum and co-workers smashed out windows with computers on the 104th floor to let smoke escape. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Beth El in Cedarhurst, New York.

Joshua Rosenthal, 44, was a senior vice president at Fiduciary Trust. He was an avid reader, mountain hiker, and sailor. A friend described Mr. Rosenthal as "a wonderfully warm and witty person who was loved and admired by those who knew him." A memorial service was held for him at Birmingham Temple in Farmington Hills, Michigan.

Richard Rosenthal, 50, was vice president of finance at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Rosenthal was treasurer of the Jewish Center in Fair Lawn, New Jersey and also treasurer of the Dysautonomia Foundation. His son Evan, 18 years old when Mr. Rosenthal died, suffers from dysautonomia, a disorder of the nervous system that confines him to a wheelchair. Evan has needed a feeding tube to eat since he was 2. Friends say Mr. Rosenthal "was always with [Evan]." His younger son Seth, 15 years old when Mr. Rosenthal died, said, following September 11, "I'm going to keep calling him on the cell phone until he answers."

Michael Craig Rothberg, 39, was a managing director for Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Rothberg was an avid skier, boater, and jogger. Described as "modest and unassuming" and extremely loyal to his co-workers, Mr. Rothberg raised money for multiple sclerosis in a bike-a-thon and for a friend who had cancer. A memorial service was held for him at the Temple Sholom in Greenwich, Connecticut.

Ronald J. Ruben, 36, was a vice president of equity trading at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods. Mr. Ruben, who was unmarried, "was Uncle Ronnie to 100 kids," said his sister, Leslie Dillon. When he received his first holiday bonus, he spent it all at a toy store, delivering gifts to children at a hospital near his home. Mr. Ruben's father, Peter, died of cancer in 1998 and his mother, Marjorie, died in 1996, also from cancer. To honor them, Mr. Ruben had their initials, M and P, tattooed over his heart. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Israel in Ridgewood, New Jersey.

Jason Elazar Sabbag, 26, was a portfolio manager at Fiduciary Trust. He was engaged to be married to Sarah Hare when he died. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Sholom in Greenwich, Connecticut, at which friends recalled his "warm demeanor, his playful sense of humor, his extraordinary talent in sports, academics, and business, and, most of all, his love for his family and very large circle of friends."

Eric Sand, 36, was an equity trader at cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Sand, a talented musician who had once pursued a career in music, had more recently played guitar for a special audience -- his young son, Aaron, who was 18 months old when Mr. Sand died. Mr. Sand's wife, Michelle, said he would rush home from work to spend as much time as possible with his son. A memorial service was held for Mr. Sand at Congregation B'nai Yisrael in Armonk, New York.

Scott Schertzer, 28, worked in the human resources department of Cantor Fitzgerald. On September 10, he felt terrible because he had to give layoff notices to a number of co-workers, but this saved their lives. Mr. Schertzer was an excellent soccer and baseball player who could bench press 102 kilograms, even though he weighed only 70 kilograms. A memorial service was held for him at Congregation B'nai Ahavath Shalom in Union, New Jersey. On December 5, 2001, his mother, father and sister posted this note on an internet memorial site: "We can never say ‘Good-bye.' You will always be with us. We love you and will always love you."

Ian Schneider, 45, was a senior managing director for Cantor Fitzgerald. His lifelong friend Howie Kessler said, "This guy loved life. No one danced harder at a party or shouted louder at a ball game." His wife Cheryl said that when he arrived home, his three children Rachel, 11, Jake, 9, and Sophie, 7, fought for the right to jump first into his arms. Almost 2000 people attended Mr. Schneider's memorial service at Temple Sharey Teflio-Israel in South Orange, New Jersey. Many were families of the children he coached on soccer, softball, and baseball teams, a chore he undertook so he could spend more time with his children.

John Burkhart Schwartz, 40, was a bond broker for Cantor Fitzgerald. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Emanu-El in New York City.

Jason Sekzer, 31, was a vice president at Cantor Fitzgerald. His father, Will Sekzer, who is active in a fraternal society of Jewish New York policemen, described his son as "handsome, smart, humble, and polite." Mr. Sekzer had married Nastasha Makshanov eight months before he died. On September 10, the photographer called to say that their album of wedding photographs was ready. A memorial service was held for him at East Midwood Jewish Center in Brooklyn, New York.

Hagay Shefi, 34, was the co-founder and chief executive of GoldTier Technologies, a software company. Mr. Shefi had lived in the United States for eight years, after emigrating from Israel, and was close to becoming a U.S. citizen. He was in the Windows on the World restaurant atop the World Trade Center to make a business presentation when it was struck. On September 16, 2001, his body was found intact in the rubble. He was survived by his wife Sigal, also from Israel, a five-year old son and a three-year old daughter.

Mark Shulman, 47, was a disaster inspector, fire prevention and risk consultant for Marsh & McLennan. He was survived by his wife, Lori, and daughters Melissa, 17, and Jamie, 12. "His family always came first," his mother Evelyn said. "He did everything for his family. I lost a treasure." A memorial service was held for Mr. Shulman at Temple Shaari Emeth in Manalapan, New Jersey.

Allan Abraham Shwartzstein, 37, was a managing director and partner at Cantor Fitzgerald. "He was about the most considerate person I knew," longtime friend Mark Madoff said. One thousand people attended the memorial service for him at Temple Beth El in Chappaqua, New York. He was survived by his wife, Amy, a five-year old daughter, Jessica, and a four-year old son, Matthew.

Arthur Simon, 57, was a vice president and equities trader at Fred Alger Management company. He and his son, Kenneth Alan Simon, both died in the World Trade Center. The elder Mr. Simon worked on the 93rd floor; the younger on the 104th. One of Mr. Simon's greatest loves was dancing. He was survived by his wife, Susan, a son, Todd, and two daughters, Mandy and Jennifer. A memorial service was held for him and his son at Temple Beth El in Spring Valley, New Jersey.

Kenneth Alan Simon, 34, was an equities trader for Cantor Fitzgerald. He and his wife, Karen, had adopted a daughter, Maya, who was 10 months old when he died. "You should have seen his face when he looked into her big brown eyes for the first time," his wife said. "He just melted." The Simons had plans to adopt more children. Mr. Simon called his wife after the plane hit to say that he was going to look for his father, Arthur Simon, who worked 11 stories below him. A memorial service was held for both father and son at Temple Beth El in Spring Valley, New Jersey.

William E. Spitz, 49, was a government bonds broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. He had a degree in elementary education. A memorial service was held for him at Oceanside Jewish Center in Oceanside, New Jersey.

Eric A. Stahlman, 43, was a broker for Cantor Fitzgerald. He joined the company about 10 weeks before September 11. He was survived by his wife, Blanca, who is from Ecuador, a seven-year old daughter, Allison, and a four-year old son, Jacob. Long friendships and close family ties were the things he cherished most, family members said. A memorial service was held for him at Temple Beth El in Papchoque, New York.

Alexander Robbins Steinman, 32, was a vice president in equities sales for Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Steinman had attended the wedding in Italy of lifelong friend Richard Diamond on the weekend before September 11. He then rushed home to get back to work, which he loved. "Alex had an incredible sense of humor and he got as much out of life as anybody possibly could," Mr. Diamond said. He said Mr. Steinman had been "the life of the party" at his wedding in Italy. A memorial service was held for Mr. Steinman at Temple Israel in Staten Island, New York.

Kenneth W. Van Auken, 47, was a bond trader at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Lorie, and two children, Matthew and Sarah. His wife says Mr. Van Auken was her "rock," the loving spirit in her life, and someone who was always willing to interrupt what he was doing to have some fun with his children. He was also a skilled carpenter, building a deck, bookcases, and other projects around his home. A memorial service was held for him at Temple B'nai Shalom in East Brunswick, New Jersey.

Steven Jay Weinberg, 41, was an accounting manager for Baseline Financial Services. He was survived by his wife Laurie and three children, Lindsay, 12, Samuel, 8, and Jason, 6. He went to all his children's sports events and volunteered at the Parents-Teachers Association. A memorial service for Mr. Weinberg was held at the Nanuet Hebrew Center.

Simon Weiser, 65, was a power-distribution engineer for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. A Jew born in Kiev, Ukraine in 1936, he arrived in New York in 1978. He was survived by his wife, a son, and three ganndchildren. He was planning to retire in 2002.

David Thomas Weiss, 50, was vice president and deputy general counsel for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife Marcia and daughter Gina. He was described as a "very private man with a kind, sweet and generous heart and ... above all else ... limitless devotion to this family." A memorial service was held for him at the Brotherhood Synagogue in New York City.

Michael Wittenstein, 34, was a bond broker at Cantor Fitzgerald. He was scheduled to marry his fiancée, Carrie Bernstein, on October 20, 2001. His uncle, Mark Hershkowitz, said he had thought many times after the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993 about buying Michael a parachute, and wishes he had. "Michael was one of those people who always had a smile, always seemed happy at whatever he was doing," relative Warren Treuhaft wrote. As in the Jewish tradition, Mr. Wittenstein was buried with some of his possessions.

Marc Scott Zeplin, 33, was an equities trader for Cantor Fitzgerald. He was survived by his wife, Debra, and two sons, Ryan, 3, and Ethan, 10 months old. Mr. Zeplin once dreamed of becoming a professional sportscaster, having broadcast hockey games at the University of Michigan. His friends formed the Marc S. Zeplin Foundation, which helps children who lost a parent or loved one on September 11. A memorial service for Mr. Zeplin was held at the Jewish Community Center in Harrisson, New York.

Charles A. Zion, 54, was a senior vice president at Cantor Fitzgerald. Mr. Zion was survived by his wife, Carole, and his 16-year old son, Zachary. "He was a great guy and a great husband," his wife said. A memorial service for Mr. Zion, who was the son of a rabbi, was held at the Greenwich Reformed Synagogue in Greenwich, Connecticut.

Andrew Steven Zucker, 27, was a lawyer with Harris Beach LLP, which had offices in the World Trade Center's south tower, which was the second one hit. Mr. Zucker, a former volunteer fireman, stayed around the 78th floor, where the second plane hit, to help others evacuate. He was survived by his wife Erica, who was pregnant with their first child when he died. Mr. Zucker was a member of the Jewish fraternity Alpha Epsilon Pi.

Igor Zukelman, 29, worked with computers at Fiduciary Trust Company, on the 97th floor of the north tower, which was hit first. Mr. Zukelman was an immigrant from the Ukraine, arriving in the United States in 1992, and was survived by his three-year old son. According to the World Congress of Russian Jewry, Mr. Zukleman was one of 16 Russian-speaking Jews killed in the September 11 attacks.

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[GandalfSivi]

Eh, i ti sada dosao. Gore negdje ti je objasnjeno da su ovo zapravo bili "normalni" jevreji, koji za razliku od ne znam ni ja kakvih, valjda nenormalnih, tj. radikalnih, nisu znali sta se desava. Eh sada, kada bi ti nasao spisak i ovih ortodoksnih koji su poginuli, onda to nebi bili ti ortodoksni na koje je autor misli. Fazon je u tome sto se vecina ljudi voli furati na teorije zavjere kao takve, i traziti neke imaginarne krivce, protiv kojih vjerovatno u zivotu nista licno nemaju, ali jebi ga, zanimljivo se furati na zavjere...

E svemirko, svemirko da si ovdje sada

[UnscarD]

Niti u jednom ozbiljnom istrazivanju o 911 se ne navodi podatak da niti jedan jevrej nije poginuo u padu tornjeva. To su gluposti i price za malu dijecu.

Objasnio sam u jednom od predhodnih postova kako funkcionise ova vrsta propagande. Pomjesate istinu sa ociglednim lazima koje se lako mogu demantovati. Sada te lazi i istina cine dio iste price. Kada se lazi raskrinkaju (kao sto je ova o jevrejima) odbacuje se citava prica u kompletu.
U ovom slucaju i konkretno na ovome primjeru, instant efekat mozete vidjeti na ovom topicu. Samim tim sto je to sa jevrejima ocigledna neistina, citava prica vezana za 911 se odbacuje u paketu jer ako je ovo laz, onda je i ostalo laz.
To je stara metoda usmjeravanja javnog misljenja 1000 puta koristena do sada a ciji temelji su postavljeni pocetkom vijeka formiranjem Britanskog ministarstva za propagandu.

[lelica]

možda je ovo neko već stavio, (mrsko mi da čitam od početka), a ako nije pravo je zanimljivo a vezano je za 11 septembar

Tajna broja 11
Strašno – čitaj do kraja.
ako možda ne veruješ u slučajnosti, pročitaj, veoma je interesantno.
Pre svega kraj, ali najpre čitaj.
1) New York City ima 11 slova.
2) Afghanistan ima 11 slova.
3) Ramsin Yuseb ima 11 slova. (terorista, koji je 1993 godine pretio USA de će uništiti zgrade Twin Tower - blizance.)
4) George W. Bush ima 11 slova.
Za sada izgleda da se radi samo o čistoj slučajnosti, ali postaje sve zanimljivije:
1) New York je 11. država USA
2) Prvi avion koji se obrušio na blizance je bio avion - broj leta 11
3) U tom avionu je bilo 92 putnika: 9 + 2 = 11
4) Drugi avion sa brojem leta 77 koji je takodje udario u zgradu je imao 65 putnika:
6 + 5 = 11
5) Tragedija se dogodila u septembru, dakle 9/11, kako se svuda spominje
6) Ovaj datum je sličan SOS tel. broju 911
Čista slučajnost?
Čitaj dalje I proceni:
1) Broj žrtava u otetim avionima je 254.
2) 11. septembar je 254. dan u godini. 2+5+4=11.
3) Napad u Madridu se dogodio 11.3.2004 1+1+3+2+4=11.
4) Napadi u Madridu su se dogodili 911 dana nakon napada na blizance.
Sada dolazi najintersantniji deo:
Najpoznatiji simbol pored Stars & Stripes (zvezde i linije na američkoj zastavi), je Orao. Sledeći citat iz Kurana, u „knizi islama”:
“Ovako je zapisano: sin Arapa probudi strašnog Orla. Orlov gnev se raširi po celoj Alahovoj zemlji, sve dok neki ne padoše u očaj, posle sve više i više ljudi postade srećnije.: Orlov gnev očisti Alahovu zemlju i zavlada mir.”
Ovaj citat nosi broj 9.11.
I dalje sumnjaš?
Probaj ovo, od ovoga čoveka hvata jeza:
Uradi sledeće:
1. Označi mišem simbol Q33 NY. oznaka prvog leta koji je svoje putovanje završio na blizancima.
2. Uvećaj font na 48.
3. Promeni font na WINDINGS.
Šta sad kažeš?

[UnscarD]

Citava ta prica o cionistickoj zavjeri sluzi kao paravan za stvarnu elitu. Zar neko moze da povjeruje da neki Aron koji u Izraelu ore zemlju moze da ima upliva u svijetska desavanja i bude dio neke grand strategije?
Zar neko moze da negira holokaust? Ne bih sada ulazio u detalje na koji nacin je to kasnije eksploatisano ali da se desilo, desilo se. Jevrejski lobi u americi zaista jeste jak ali ljudi koji su u sjeni, koji zaista vuku konce, oni nemaju svoju rasu, naciju, religiju niti bilo kakvu drugu podijelu. Takvu vrstu "zabave" prepustaju nama obicnim ljudima.
Oni samo imaju podijelu na ovce i na pastire, mocne i nemocne, bogate i siromasne. To na kraju krajeva ne bi ni bio problem, da oni ne podredjuju sebi opste dobro svih ljudi na svijetu, toliko bezumno da nas vode sigurnim putem u propast.
Put kojim idemo ima svoj kraj bio on u vidu ekoloske katastrofe, opste propasti ekonomije i pojave masovnog siromastva ili potpunog icrpljivanja prirodnih resursa. On je ukoliko nastavimo ovim kursom neminovan i kome to nije jasno taj je zaista slijep pored ociju. Da li to mora biti tako? Da li zaista treba samo da pratimo omamljujucu pastirsku frulu makar i u propast nikada ne dovodeci u pitanje autoritet pastira?
Postoji i drugi put kojim covjecanstvo moze ici. Srecom, sve je vise ljudi koij se bude i stvari vide u pravom svijetlu, onakve kakve zaista jesu. Preispituju se stari postulati i uvjerenja jer ljudi pricaju i dijele misljenja i uvidjaju da u svojim uvjerenjima nisu usamljeni.

[Marchegianni]

možda je ovo neko već stavio, (mrsko mi da čitam od početka), a ako nije pravo je zanimljivo a vezano je za 11 septembar

Tajna broja 11
Strašno – čitaj do kraja.
ako možda ne veruješ u slučajnosti, pročitaj, veoma je interesantno.
Pre svega kraj, ali najpre čitaj.
1) New York City ima 11 slova.
2) Afghanistan ima 11 slova.
3) Ramsin Yuseb ima 11 slova. (terorista, koji je 1993 godine pretio USA de će uništiti zgrade Twin Tower - blizance.)
4) George W. Bush ima 11 slova.
Za sada izgleda da se radi samo o čistoj slučajnosti, ali postaje sve zanimljivije:
1) New York je 11. država USA
2) Prvi avion koji se obrušio na blizance je bio avion - broj leta 11
3) U tom avionu je bilo 92 putnika: 9 + 2 = 11
4) Drugi avion sa brojem leta 77 koji je takodje udario u zgradu je imao 65 putnika:
6 + 5 = 11
5) Tragedija se dogodila u septembru, dakle 9/11, kako se svuda spominje
6) Ovaj datum je sličan SOS tel. broju 911
Čista slučajnost?
Čitaj dalje I proceni:
1) Broj žrtava u otetim avionima je 254.
2) 11. septembar je 254. dan u godini. 2+5+4=11.
3) Napad u Madridu se dogodio 11.3.2004 1+1+3+2+4=11.
4) Napadi u Madridu su se dogodili 911 dana nakon napada na blizance.
Sada dolazi najintersantniji deo:
Najpoznatiji simbol pored Stars & Stripes (zvezde i linije na američkoj zastavi), je Orao. Sledeći citat iz Kurana, u „knizi islama”:
“Ovako je zapisano: sin Arapa probudi strašnog Orla. Orlov gnev se raširi po celoj Alahovoj zemlji, sve dok neki ne padoše u očaj, posle sve više i više ljudi postade srećnije.: Orlov gnev očisti Alahovu zemlju i zavlada mir.”
Ovaj citat nosi broj 9.11.
I dalje sumnjaš?
Probaj ovo, od ovoga čoveka hvata jeza:
Uradi sledeće:
1. Označi mišem simbol Q33 NY. oznaka prvog leta koji je svoje putovanje završio na blizancima.
2. Uvećaj font na 48.
3. Promeni font na WINDINGS.
Šta sad kažeš?

Znaš šta je strašno? Dok sam ovo čitao, pogledao sam na sat u ćošku ekrana i vidio da je 11:11.

[lelica]

možda je ovo neko već stavio, (mrsko mi da čitam od početka), a ako nije pravo je zanimljivo a vezano je za 11 septembar

Tajna broja 11
Strašno – čitaj do kraja.
ako možda ne veruješ u slučajnosti, pročitaj, veoma je interesantno.
Pre svega kraj, ali najpre čitaj.
1) New York City ima 11 slova.
2) Afghanistan ima 11 slova.
3) Ramsin Yuseb ima 11 slova. (terorista, koji je 1993 godine pretio USA de će uništiti zgrade Twin Tower - blizance.)
4) George W. Bush ima 11 slova.
Za sada izgleda da se radi samo o čistoj slučajnosti, ali postaje sve zanimljivije:
1) New York je 11. država USA
2) Prvi avion koji se obrušio na blizance je bio avion - broj leta 11
3) U tom avionu je bilo 92 putnika: 9 + 2 = 11
4) Drugi avion sa brojem leta 77 koji je takodje udario u zgradu je imao 65 putnika:
6 + 5 = 11
5) Tragedija se dogodila u septembru, dakle 9/11, kako se svuda spominje
6) Ovaj datum je sličan SOS tel. broju 911
Čista slučajnost?
Čitaj dalje I proceni:
1) Broj žrtava u otetim avionima je 254.
2) 11. septembar je 254. dan u godini. 2+5+4=11.
3) Napad u Madridu se dogodio 11.3.2004 1+1+3+2+4=11.
4) Napadi u Madridu su se dogodili 911 dana nakon napada na blizance.
Sada dolazi najintersantniji deo:
Najpoznatiji simbol pored Stars & Stripes (zvezde i linije na američkoj zastavi), je Orao. Sledeći citat iz Kurana, u „knizi islama”:
“Ovako je zapisano: sin Arapa probudi strašnog Orla. Orlov gnev se raširi po celoj Alahovoj zemlji, sve dok neki ne padoše u očaj, posle sve više i više ljudi postade srećnije.: Orlov gnev očisti Alahovu zemlju i zavlada mir.”
Ovaj citat nosi broj 9.11.
I dalje sumnjaš?
Probaj ovo, od ovoga čoveka hvata jeza:
Uradi sledeće:
1. Označi mišem simbol Q33 NY. oznaka prvog leta koji je svoje putovanje završio na blizancima.
2. Uvećaj font na 48.
3. Promeni font na WINDINGS.
Šta sad kažeš?

Znaš šta je strašno? Dok sam ovo čitao, pogledao sam na sat u ćošku ekrana i vidio da je 11:11.

dobro je da nisi čitao 11.11. u 11:11

[Neelix]

možda je ovo neko već stavio, (mrsko mi da čitam od početka), a ako nije pravo je zanimljivo a vezano je za 11 septembar

Tajna broja 11
Strašno – čitaj do kraja.
ako možda ne veruješ u slučajnosti, pročitaj, veoma je interesantno.
Pre svega kraj, ali najpre čitaj.
1) New York City ima 11 slova.
2) Afghanistan ima 11 slova.
3) Ramsin Yuseb ima 11 slova. (terorista, koji je 1993 godine pretio USA de će uništiti zgrade Twin Tower - blizance.)
4) George W. Bush ima 11 slova.
Za sada izgleda da se radi samo o čistoj slučajnosti, ali postaje sve zanimljivije:
1) New York je 11. država USA
2) Prvi avion koji se obrušio na blizance je bio avion - broj leta 11
3) U tom avionu je bilo 92 putnika: 9 + 2 = 11
4) Drugi avion sa brojem leta 77 koji je takodje udario u zgradu je imao 65 putnika:
6 + 5 = 11
5) Tragedija se dogodila u septembru, dakle 9/11, kako se svuda spominje
6) Ovaj datum je sličan SOS tel. broju 911
Čista slučajnost?
Čitaj dalje I proceni:
1) Broj žrtava u otetim avionima je 254.
2) 11. septembar je 254. dan u godini. 2+5+4=11.
3) Napad u Madridu se dogodio 11.3.2004 1+1+3+2+4=11.
4) Napadi u Madridu su se dogodili 911 dana nakon napada na blizance.
Sada dolazi najintersantniji deo:
Najpoznatiji simbol pored Stars & Stripes (zvezde i linije na američkoj zastavi), je Orao. Sledeći citat iz Kurana, u „knizi islama”:
“Ovako je zapisano: sin Arapa probudi strašnog Orla. Orlov gnev se raširi po celoj Alahovoj zemlji, sve dok neki ne padoše u očaj, posle sve više i više ljudi postade srećnije.: Orlov gnev očisti Alahovu zemlju i zavlada mir.”
Ovaj citat nosi broj 9.11.
I dalje sumnjaš?
Probaj ovo, od ovoga čoveka hvata jeza:
Uradi sledeće:
1. Označi mišem simbol Q33 NY. oznaka prvog leta koji je svoje putovanje završio na blizancima.
2. Uvećaj font na 48.
3. Promeni font na WINDINGS.
Šta sad kažeš?

evo sta kazem




The continued recurrence of the number eleven in relation to 9/11 may seem to have some weird relevance at first glance. However, it is easy to manipulate the details of an event so that an apparent numerical pattern emerges. There are many other 9/11 elements that have no relation to the number 11. For example, "World Trade Center", "Twin Towers", "Osama Bin Laden", "American Airlines," "United Airlines" and a great many other 9/11 related items do not add up to the number eleven. In fact, hundreds of items could be legitimately included on such a list, the majority of which have no "eleven" connection. In other words, the person who created this "elevens" list carefully chose only those 9/11 related items that fit the pattern and discarded all others.

Furthermore, the hoaxster is apparently quite willing to bend the truth to fit the story. Flight 77 was carrying 64 people not 65 as claimed in the email. The message also claims that Flight 77 hit the Twin Towers. However, Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, not the World Trade Center.

In addition, the email states that the "total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254". However, this is untrue. Various reliable sources concur that the total number of people on the hijacked planes was 265 . If you subtract the 19 hijackers, the total number of victims on the planes (passengers and crew) was 246 not 254. Neither 265 nor 246 add up to eleven.

Thus, claims of some supernatural association between the terrorist attacks and the number 11 are blatantly contrived and highly misleading.

The second part of the message claims that Chapter 9 Verse 11 (9.11) of the Islamic holy book the Quran contains a startling prophecy presumably related to the US invasion of Iraq. However, research indicates that the quoted verse does not appear in the Quran at all. Chapter 9 Verse 11 of the Quran is concerned with repentance and charity. Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation Of The Holy Qur'an, records Verse 11 as:

But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.

Other translations may differ slightly in wording but carry essentially the same message. None make mention of the "wrath of the Eagle" or any other elements contained in the "verse" quoted in the message.

The Quran "verse" has also circulated as a separate message with the following description:

This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages...

The final part of this hoax email claims that changing "Q33 NY" to the Wingdings symbol font in Microsoft Word will reveal a hidden message directly related to the 9/11 attack on the twin towers. Q33 NY rendered in Wingdings is:
Certainly, this combination of symbols is likely to make even the most cynical readers do a double take when they first observe it. However, a minimal amount of research reveals that the Wingdings claim is based on an outrageous lie and therefore has no validity what so ever. None of the planes involved in the 9/11 attacks had the flight number "Q33 NY". The flight numbers of the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers were in fact "11" and "175". Clearly, someone has simply made up this supposed flight number in an attempt to make the spurious claim seem valid. In an absurd twist, the current version of the hoax actually contradicts itself. One part of the message states, "The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11." Later in the same message it states "Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first plane to hit one of the Twin Towers."

Some have claimed that "Q33 NY" was actually the tail or registration number of one of the planes. However, this is also untrue. The klix tail number of Flight 11 was "N334AA". Nor did any of the other hijacked aircraft have the registration number "Q33 NY" (see Data Table below). Searches of the Federal Aviation Administration website afforded no results for "Q33 NY". In fact, most civil aircraft registrations in the United States start with the letter "N" and nationality and registration markings are commonly referred to as "N-Numbers".

Flight and tail numbers aside, the Star of David in the Wingdings "message" has little relevance to 9/11 since the attacks were not perpetrated by or directed at those of Jewish faith. This hoax actually builds on a foolish conspiracy theory involving Wingdings that goes back as far as 1992. Typing "NYC" ("New York City") in Wingdings reveals a skull and crossbones symbol, the Star of David, and a thumbs up symbol. This has been interpreted by some conspiracy-theorists as a deliberate anti-Semitic message. Microsoft has denied that this arrangement of symbols is anything more than an unfortunate coincidence.

In short, this email message is a load of baloney and it should not be forwarded. Hoaxes that perpetrate falsehoods about real terrorist attacks are especially heinous. One wonders at the mentality, and motives, of the imbeciles who create hoaxes of this nature. This hoax message dishonours the memory of those who lost their lives in the 9/11 attacks. Please do not forward it.

[UnscarD]

možda je ovo neko već stavio, (mrsko mi da čitam od početka), a ako nije pravo je zanimljivo a vezano je za 11 septembar

Tajna broja 11
Strašno – čitaj do kraja.
ako možda ne veruješ u slučajnosti, pročitaj, veoma je interesantno.
Pre svega kraj, ali najpre čitaj.
1) New York City ima 11 slova.
2) Afghanistan ima 11 slova.
3) Ramsin Yuseb ima 11 slova. (terorista, koji je 1993 godine pretio USA de će uništiti zgrade Twin Tower - blizance.)
4) George W. Bush ima 11 slova.
Za sada izgleda da se radi samo o čistoj slučajnosti, ali postaje sve zanimljivije:
1) New York je 11. država USA
2) Prvi avion koji se obrušio na blizance je bio avion - broj leta 11
3) U tom avionu je bilo 92 putnika: 9 + 2 = 11
4) Drugi avion sa brojem leta 77 koji je takodje udario u zgradu je imao 65 putnika:
6 + 5 = 11
5) Tragedija se dogodila u septembru, dakle 9/11, kako se svuda spominje
6) Ovaj datum je sličan SOS tel. broju 911
Čista slučajnost?
Čitaj dalje I proceni:
1) Broj žrtava u otetim avionima je 254.
2) 11. septembar je 254. dan u godini. 2+5+4=11.
3) Napad u Madridu se dogodio 11.3.2004 1+1+3+2+4=11.
4) Napadi u Madridu su se dogodili 911 dana nakon napada na blizance.
Sada dolazi najintersantniji deo:
Najpoznatiji simbol pored Stars & Stripes (zvezde i linije na američkoj zastavi), je Orao. Sledeći citat iz Kurana, u „knizi islama”:
“Ovako je zapisano: sin Arapa probudi strašnog Orla. Orlov gnev se raširi po celoj Alahovoj zemlji, sve dok neki ne padoše u očaj, posle sve više i više ljudi postade srećnije.: Orlov gnev očisti Alahovu zemlju i zavlada mir.”
Ovaj citat nosi broj 9.11.
I dalje sumnjaš?
Probaj ovo, od ovoga čoveka hvata jeza:
Uradi sledeće:
1. Označi mišem simbol Q33 NY. oznaka prvog leta koji je svoje putovanje završio na blizancima.
2. Uvećaj font na 48.
3. Promeni font na WINDINGS.
Šta sad kažeš?

evo sta kazem




The continued recurrence of the number eleven in relation to 9/11 may seem to have some weird relevance at first glance. However, it is easy to manipulate the details of an event so that an apparent numerical pattern emerges. There are many other 9/11 elements that have no relation to the number 11. For example, "World Trade Center", "Twin Towers", "Osama Bin Laden", "American Airlines," "United Airlines" and a great many other 9/11 related items do not add up to the number eleven. In fact, hundreds of items could be legitimately included on such a list, the majority of which have no "eleven" connection. In other words, the person who created this "elevens" list carefully chose only those 9/11 related items that fit the pattern and discarded all others.

Furthermore, the hoaxster is apparently quite willing to bend the truth to fit the story. Flight 77 was carrying 64 people not 65 as claimed in the email. The message also claims that Flight 77 hit the Twin Towers. However, Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, not the World Trade Center.

In addition, the email states that the "total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254". However, this is untrue. Various reliable sources concur that the total number of people on the hijacked planes was 265 . If you subtract the 19 hijackers, the total number of victims on the planes (passengers and crew) was 246 not 254. Neither 265 nor 246 add up to eleven.

Thus, claims of some supernatural association between the terrorist attacks and the number 11 are blatantly contrived and highly misleading.

The second part of the message claims that Chapter 9 Verse 11 (9.11) of the Islamic holy book the Quran contains a startling prophecy presumably related to the US invasion of Iraq. However, research indicates that the quoted verse does not appear in the Quran at all. Chapter 9 Verse 11 of the Quran is concerned with repentance and charity. Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation Of The Holy Qur'an, records Verse 11 as:

But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.

Other translations may differ slightly in wording but carry essentially the same message. None make mention of the "wrath of the Eagle" or any other elements contained in the "verse" quoted in the message.

The Quran "verse" has also circulated as a separate message with the following description:

This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages...

The final part of this hoax email claims that changing "Q33 NY" to the Wingdings symbol font in Microsoft Word will reveal a hidden message directly related to the 9/11 attack on the twin towers. Q33 NY rendered in Wingdings is:
Certainly, this combination of symbols is likely to make even the most cynical readers do a double take when they first observe it. However, a minimal amount of research reveals that the Wingdings claim is based on an outrageous lie and therefore has no validity what so ever. None of the planes involved in the 9/11 attacks had the flight number "Q33 NY". The flight numbers of the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers were in fact "11" and "175". Clearly, someone has simply made up this supposed flight number in an attempt to make the spurious claim seem valid. In an absurd twist, the current version of the hoax actually contradicts itself. One part of the message states, "The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11." Later in the same message it states "Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first plane to hit one of the Twin Towers."

Some have claimed that "Q33 NY" was actually the tail or registration number of one of the planes. However, this is also untrue. The klix tail number of Flight 11 was "N334AA". Nor did any of the other hijacked aircraft have the registration number "Q33 NY" (see Data Table below). Searches of the Federal Aviation Administration website afforded no results for "Q33 NY". In fact, most civil aircraft registrations in the United States start with the letter "N" and nationality and registration markings are commonly referred to as "N-Numbers".

Flight and tail numbers aside, the Star of David in the Wingdings "message" has little relevance to 9/11 since the attacks were not perpetrated by or directed at those of Jewish faith. This hoax actually builds on a foolish conspiracy theory involving Wingdings that goes back as far as 1992. Typing "NYC" ("New York City") in Wingdings reveals a skull and crossbones symbol, the Star of David, and a thumbs up symbol. This has been interpreted by some conspiracy-theorists as a deliberate anti-Semitic message. Microsoft has denied that this arrangement of symbols is anything more than an unfortunate coincidence.

In short, this email message is a load of baloney and it should not be forwarded. Hoaxes that perpetrate falsehoods about real terrorist attacks are especially heinous. One wonders at the mentality, and motives, of the imbeciles who create hoaxes of this nature. This hoax message dishonours the memory of those who lost their lives in the 9/11 attacks. Please do not forward it.

+ 1 ovo sa brojem su gluposti prave...cuj prebaci u windings font ...smijurija...

[_veleposlanik]

@ neelix: bolji si u C&C Generalsu brate , a dosta si toga propustio i sada dosao komentirati...

[Neelix]

svejedno, propustio ili ne, makar sam pobio dvije gluposti iznesene na temi

[_veleposlanik]

svejedno, propustio ili ne, makar sam pobio dvije gluposti iznesene na temi

sad kontam... zato si uvijek birao Ameriku, pored jake Kine ili opasnih talibana... :D

[Neelix]

[Ali_G]

Samo ne znam zasto vam nije jasno da je neko mogao zrtvovati 3000 svojih ljudi radi vise politike? Nebitno sada citava prica oko 9/11, ali ne mogu da vjerujem da ima ljudi koji vjeruju americkim ublehama. Najbolje vam je da idete gledati jerry sprinegera i ostalu medijsku masineriju.

[krivorijek]

Samo ne znam zasto vam nije jasno da je neko mogao zrtvovati 3000 svojih ljudi radi vise politike? Nebitno sada citava prica oko 9/11, ali ne mogu da vjerujem da ima ljudi koji vjeruju americkim ublehama. Najbolje vam je da idete gledati jerry sprinegera i ostalu medijsku masineriju.

Tacno tako. Pa evo do sada je u Iraku broj poginulih americkih vojnika veci od broja zrtava napada na WTC. Pa i ti su vojnici poslani u smrt pod Laznim (izmisljenim) pretekstom o neposrednoj hemijsko-bioloskoj opasnosti po Ameriku od strane Sadama! Dakle zrtvovani.

[_veleposlanik]

FOX News censored 911 Pentagon video

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Toliko napisanogi toliko dokaza a opet ljudi vjeruju u lopova Busha i njegove zogovce ciji je on poslusni klovn . Ruku na srce ko bi onakvog tikvana imo za predsjednika . On je samo figura kao si vi sljedeci koji ce doci a zogovci im lagano ruse drzavu .
Sto se tice 11 sept od prvog dana znam da to nisu muslimani arapi uradili a pogotovo ne nakvi islamski talibanski wehabisti ,. Kako nikom na ovom forumu nikad nije palo napamet a i uopce svima da nakon objavljenih slika navodnih napadaca niko nije primjetio da nijedan nema brade a svi wehabisti , gaconje i opasni fundamentalisti Iole normalnom covjeku to prvo upadne u oci . Ameri su prevarili svijet pa su uzeli Guantanamo na Kubi pa su prevarili svijet pa su se direktno umjesali u rat u Vijetnamu pa su namagarcili svoje citizene sa prevarom na glasanju na prvom pa i na drugom mandatu , pa su rekli da je sadam podrzavao alkaidu ( ovome sam se grohoto nasmijao a vecina glupsona na planeti i u to povjerovalo ) pa onda ona sprdnja sa satelsitskim snimcima tajnog hemijskog oruzja , pa isposlovanje napada na afganistan mada Un-u nisu dali ni jedan dokaz za umjesanost talibanske vlasti ( koju su lichno ameri podrzavali ) u 11 sept . I poslije svih ovih lazi da im se vjeruje . To moze samo jedan obicni diletant koji veze sa politikom nema nisu ameri sami sebe napali nego neko drugi ko se obicava obuci u arapske odore da bi se na njih svalilo

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Hajd recimo da su vase teorije tacne, ali ko je onda upravljao avionima koji su udarili u WTC, nisu valjda automatski piloti?????

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A zasto ne bio bili automatski piloti?
Informacija, odnosno saznanje do kojih su dosli raznorazni istrazitelji jesu da su svi oni avioni koji su se skrsili 3-4 mjeseca ranije bili na remontu. S obzirom da zivimo u digitalnom dobu, u kojem se skoro sve moze raditi opcijom "Remote", zasto je nemoguce da su se tada u avione ugradile neke djidje pomocu kojih je neko sa zemlje regularno mogao preuzeti punu kontrolu u kokpitu i onemoguciti pilote da urade bilo sta?

Mozak aviona se skoro nimalo ne razlikuje od obicnog PC-a, kompjuter- kompjuter. A svi znamo kako je lako raditi nesto na "Remote" sa kompjuterima, zar ne?

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Hajd recimo da su vase teorije tacne, ali ko je onda upravljao avionima koji su udarili u WTC, nisu valjda automatski piloti?????

nije pravilno "hajd recimo", nego to jeste fakat. to ces sam i ti skontati, najvjerovatnije kada bude prekasno...

sto se tice automatskih pilota, to je vrlo moguca opcija. moramo priznati nevjerovatnu kolicinu dezinformacija i poluistina koje kruze kako bi samo zabrljali pravu sliku i prikrili pravu istinu... mislim, ovdje se vise ne raspravlja o autoritetu, vec o nacinu i koristenoj tehnologiji...

po meni, jedina istinska verzija jeste da uopste nije bilo aviona, niti jedan avion od navodna 4 nije unisten taj dan...

sada ce mnogi "poznavaoci" reci kako mi nije dobro, kako su ga oni svojim ocima vidjeli (preko TVa, sto je danas svakako isto kao da je Bog rekao)...

pogledajte SEPTEMBER CLUES i OCTOPUS 911. ako nista, makar cete nauciti nove tehnoloske mogucnosti, kojima raspolazu vojne snage na cak i 20 godina prije nego se komercijaliziraju...

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a ako ne vjerujete da je moguce napraviti toliku "covert" operaciju, i da su hiljade pojedinaca umjesane u projekat (sto je svakako vas glavni "dokaz" protiv istine), pogledajte samo manipulaciju televizijskih kuca, njihovih prorocanstava o terorizmu, njihovih snimaka koji se ne poklapaju medjusobno, pa "greski u koracima" oko montaze i tajminga "aviona", pa izvjestaj britanske novinarke da je WTC7 pala na 20 minuta prije rusenja itd itd itd.......

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Nwgdje procitah da su i spustanje posade apola isto tako snimili negdje u americkim pustinjama!!!!!

Ima logike, poslije toga se jos nijedna posada nije uputila i spustila na Mjesec, a takodje nije nikada ni Rusima uspjelo!!!!

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Nwgdje procitah da su i spustanje posade apola isto tako snimili negdje u americkim pustinjama!!!!!

Ima logike, poslije toga se jos nijedna posada nije uputila i spustila na Mjesec, a takodje nije nikada ni Rusima uspjelo!!!!

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Stanley Kubrick, kojeg su kasnije eliminisali zbog odavanja...

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@Dado bogu arhitekture
Dado ubuduce mi reci direktno da sm glup ali nemoj mi to raditi na ovaj nacin. Ovo sto si ti ispricao je svojevrsni copy-paste NIST-ovog izvjestaja, koji je u suprotnosti s zdravim razumom i logikom. Za ono sto si ti napisao ne treba da budes magistar arhitekture vec samo bolji poznavaoc engleskog:
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
I ovdje si mi trebao reci da sam glup i neobrazovan a ne prevoditi mi nesto s engleskog.
Sto se tice WTC7, takodjer dao si mi objasnjenje koje sam cuo vise puta do sada od strane NIST-a, za sto ne treba da budes magistar arhitekture vec samo bolji poznavaoc engleskog.
Hvala ti sto mislis da smo mi bosanci toliko glupi (a vidim da nekima to i ne smeta previse vec se trude da podebljaju to)

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Ako cete ulaziti u ovu raspravu s pitanjima zar mislite da bi to bush uradio svom narodu ili slicnim komentarima,odreknite se ove rasprave i da idete gledati novutv, obn, oprah show itd. Za vas istina i razotkrivanje mitova i zavjera moze izazvati psiholoska ostecenja koja su ravna totalnoj destrukciji ega.

Nemojte na ovoj temi porediti markale, otvorite posebnu temu za to. Jedna stvar su markale gdje cetnici uporno tvrde da to oni nisu uradili a mi dokazujemo i tehnicki i logicki da jesu. Dakle cetnici tvrde da nisu a mi tvrdimo da jesu. Nisam upoznat da iko od nasih tvrdi da smo mi to uradili.
Totalno je druga stvar 11.09. gdje svakim danom sve vise i vise AMERIKANACA, NE talibana, mudjahedina, muslimana i protivnika SAD-a nego AMERIKANACA zahtjeva ponovnu istragu 11.09.. Sve one dokumentarce tamo koje sam naveo su radili AMERIKANCI, NE talibani, mudjahedini, muslimani i protivnici SAD-a nego AMERIKANCI koji su zbog toga stavili svoj zivot u opasnost, izgubili svoje poslove, degradirali svoj status u drustvu, izlozili se stalni napadima. Zbog cega? Zbog toga sto imaju mozak i logiku. Zbog toga sto ne dozvoljavaju da ih njihova vlada laze i manipulise njihovim zivotima i njihovim razumom. Zbog toga sto nisu jeftini produkt mass-medija. Zbog toga sto nisu jebeni konformisti, zato sto nisu ovce. Zato sto iskreno zale za svim poginulim u onom napadu i zele razjasniti sve nejasnoce oko tih napada, a nejasnoca je mali milion a vlada se ne trudi da to razjasni. Zato sto patriote i vole svoj narod i svoju zemlju.

Da su dokumentarce radile talibanske vlasti, saddam ili neki rusi onda bih i ja odbacio kao nevjerovatnoe ali posto su ih radili AMERIKANCI, koji su BTW napadnuti, odlucio sam da ih pogledam i uvjerim se da americka vlada laze i govori nam da smo glupi!!!

Procitajte ovaj citat ako znate engleski, a ako ne znate vjerujem da ce vam ga nas dobri Dado prevesti jer se pokazao kao dobar prevoditelj

Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. ...voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

Pogledajte ovo boldovano: Zar istu stvar nisu uradili i rade Amerikanci?
Ovu izjavu je dao Hermann Goring prilikom nirnberskog procesa prije nekih 60-tak godina. Historija se ponavlja, mi to necemo i ne zelimo da vidimo!!! Ko ne zna ko je Hermann Goring i sta je on bio i ko ne zna sta je to nirnberski proces, nije trebao ni dolaziti ovamo ima sutra nedeljno popoden na obn-u, red carpet i na obn-u i novoj, ima mtv, vivu i ostale usrane mass medije ba bujrum.

Neki od glavnih pokretaca svih ovih besmislica kako ih vi zovete tj. otvaranja ponovne istrage su osobe koje su izgubile svoje najblize u napadima 11.09. Sta cete reci na to? Ono sto im je vlada objasnila nije dovoljno, a kako bi i bilo kada je puno rupa, vlada nije pokrenula postupak protiv onih koji su izvrsili te napade? Kako bi se vi osjecali da vam neko ubije najmilije i da vlada kaze da ne treba pokrenuti postupak. Pogledajte malo tjerlicu FBI-a, niko od ovih na tjeralici se ne tereti za 11.09. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm Znate li zasto, zato sto je FBI rekao da nema cvrstih dokaza da poveze ove ljude sa napadima 11.09. Ko je onda odgovoran za 11.09.? To hoce obitelji zrtava da istraze.

Molim vas manite se infantilnih komentara i pitanja tipa: Sta se pod takvom tezinom ne bi pretvorilo u prah? Postedite toga barem nas koji smo vidjeli i prozivjeli ovaj jebeni rat, koji smo vidjeli rusenja i gorenja zgrada a opet ne pretvaranje istih u prah.
BTW maximalna temperatura gorenja kerozina je oko 900 a ne oko 1000 stepeni i tacka topljenja celika je od 1370-1510 stepeni a ne oko 800-1200 stepeni. Ako govorimo o celiku koji se ugradjuje u zgrade.

Niko mi jos ne odgovori kako se srusila zgrada WTC7, osim jadnog pokusaja sarlatana Dade sto je premalo i za moj jadni mozak?

Dragi narode zivi vi meni i zdravi bili, ja sam dao listu dokumentaraca, a mogu naci i listu knjiga ako ko zeli, koji objasnjavaju dogadje oko 11.09. Pogledajte njih, pogledajte oficijelnu verziju price, upotrijebite mozak i moc rasudjivanja pa vidite koja vam je prica logicnija. Dao sam vam dokaze, ko bude zelio pogledat ce ih, ko ne ne mogu mu nista dao sam mu prijdlog sta da gleda na nasoj televiziji i nek se tamo educira. Sto se tice mene i ove teme ja sam OFF. Neki od vas jednostavno niste vrijedni paznje i vremena utrosenog u objasnjavanje ovakvih stvari. To vrijeme(kojeg niko od nas nema, jer nam je svima smrt za vratom, nikad ne znas kada ce doci) je bolje iskoristiti na neke koji ce slusati i razmisljati.
Budite i ostajte produkt medija, budite ovce kavim vas vlade zele ja tu nemam nist protiv, na kraju krajeva bolje za mene danas-sutra
Lijep pozdrav i pripazite da budjenje u stvarnost ne bude bas toliko grubo.
Caossss drugari sretan vam prvi maj

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Niko ne spori to da su se avioni zabili zgrade, niko ne spori tih 3000 zrtava. To su sve cinjenice, nepobitne cinjenice. Spori se oficijelna verzija obasnjavanja dogadjaja.

E svaka ti dala.